"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2580937]Friday night is always the toughest night to get a date when you are a single SD. And after 6 girls in 6 days I can use a rest, sort of. So today I was pretty harsh with every girl on the site I chatted up. Just seeing how direct I could be and what would happen. So far they have all gone away except one MILF that I haven't finished with. I basically told her I just wanted to use (and possibly abuse) her for sex, and sex only.

Too bad I messed things up with my virgin as we are all alone tonite.
And for some reason she decided not to go out either.[/QUOTE]Some girl I did an M&G with in the past txted me about 10 pm that she was bored and could she come over. So we just hung out and talked for a few hours and then she was on her way. I gave her a twenty to be nice. She said she wants me to go to the beach with her on our next date. So I finally did get a night off and tonite I see my ATF anyway.

She said she wasn't into the whole sex for money thing and that she had to really like the guy first. I did end up getting aroused from the massage I gave her. But it was a no go this time around. Maybe next time.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2581263]
You don't have to pretend to be a millionaire to get pussies. An average working guy would do just as well, if he has some talents. Most times, all it need is a nice dinner, paying her cell phone bill or car insurance, or buying her some nice things here and there. Of course, there are those GPS out there as well where you might need to up your ante a bit.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. Of the observations I've made about women over the years some are obvious and some not as much. Pretty much all women are attracted to success and financial stability, however how you got there matters more than "how much". In other words if a guy is a trust fund baby that just inherited money but never learned to do anything useful, he'll be able to get hoes that are happy to use him for a payday but he won't get the good sex of a hot SB who is truly attracted to him.

The women who are worth dating like to see some level of ambition or resourcefulness -- something that indicates intelligence / drive / passion -- its an indication of good seed. A good example is that rich kid in Santa Barbara who was a son of a Hollywood director that shot up some people because he couldn't get a date. Money alone can buy hookers but not much else.

The guy in the article is getting most of the pussy because he is a med school student and can confirm it. That kind of thing in itself is a pussy magnet for a 30 year old. The lie about the nest egg is icing on the cake but not the reason for his game. Being a card carrying med student in NYC is an all day every pass to infinite poon.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2578045]Part of her profile ad. (pictured)

"not interested in sexual encounters. ".

But she is. LOL. Accepted my offer of a $ with.

"I am down for that".

So what is that?

A car date in the backseat w a guaranteed HJ. She is far away or I would take her straight to the FC. These car dates always turn into something far more. She is a very cute tiny white girl. First day on the site. I dumped all my leads from anything up to two weeks ago and started over.

Already had one great time and a new SB if I want her. That one will be on a 24 date with me this weekend. The 5 foot 95 lb girl. I promise to take lots of pics for all you little girl lovers. And I reconnected with an old lead. A super submissive AA girl. Right now they either have to be running to me (literally and/or figuratively) or I am just not interested. There are just too many POTS out there to accept anything less.[/QUOTE]Now she is a beautiful prostitute. Bravo!

I'm curious for those who dabble in the bowl regularly, what percentage of your SBs will continue to hang around even when there's no sugar?

There's an old saying that if you want to find out who your friends are, stop doing favors for people -- the ones that stick around are your real friends, everyone else will flee as soon as they are no longer beneficiaries (I. E. "what can you do for me" syndrome) . It's a good way to take inventory of who is worth keeping in your life and who to dump.

I don't know how this philosophy works out with SBs, because I don't stay in the company with one long enough to find out. My SD vacations are few and far enough between that I never get the chance to find out. Civy dating is different, because most of the time the girl is looking for "the full package", not just sex or money but someone to lean on emotionally and spend time with or whatever.

I guess it's not completely reasonable to expect an SB to stick around if she's not receiving sugar (or some other benefit like a place to live), and I wouldn't expect it.

I'm just curious how often it occurs that an SB wants to hang out just because she enjoys being with you, without expectation of earnings or lifestyle upgrades. Or are they all just digging for gold?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2581533]I'm curious for those who dabble in the bowl regularly, what percentage of your SBs will continue to hang around even when there's no sugar?

There's an old saying that if you want to find out who your friends are, stop doing favors for people -- the ones that stick around are your real friends, everyone else will flee as soon as they are no longer beneficiaries (I. E. "what can you do for me" syndrome) . It's a good way to take inventory of who is worth keeping in your life and who to dump.

I don't know how this philosophy works out with SBs, because I don't stay in the company with one long enough to find out. My SD vacations are few and far enough between that I never get the chance to find out. Civy dating is different, because most of the time the girl is looking for "the full package", not just sex or money but someone to lean on emotionally and spend time with or whatever.

I guess it's not completely reasonable to expect an SB to stick around if she's not receiving sugar (or some other benefit like a place to live), and I wouldn't expect it.

I'm just curious how often it occurs that an SB wants to hang out just because she enjoys being with you, without expectation of earnings or lifestyle upgrades. Or are they all just digging for gold?[/QUOTE]An SB that sticks around with no sugar is a doormat, has some kind of sexual deviancy, mental illness or is just an idiot or a homeless girl.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2581533]I'm curious for those who dabble in the bowl regularly, what percentage of your SBs will continue to hang around even when there's no sugar?

There's an old saying that if you want to find out who your friends are, stop doing favors for people -- the ones that stick around are your real friends, everyone else will flee as soon as they are no longer beneficiaries (I. E. "what can you do for me" syndrome) . It's a good way to take inventory of who is worth keeping in your life and who to dump.

I don't know how this philosophy works out with SBs, because I don't stay in the company with one long enough to find out. My SD vacations are few and far enough between that I never get the chance to find out. Civy dating is different, because most of the time the girl is looking for "the full package", not just sex or money but someone to lean on emotionally and spend time with or whatever.

I guess it's not completely reasonable to expect an SB to stick around if she's not receiving sugar (or some other benefit like a place to live), and I wouldn't expect it.

I'm just curious how often it occurs that an SB wants to hang out just because she enjoys being with you, without expectation of earnings or lifestyle upgrades. Or are they all just digging for gold?[/QUOTE]I have 3 in my stable right now, and I've had maybe 4-5 in the past that I saw on a regular basis. When I needed a few weeks away from a sb, or just wasn't able to spend the money for whatever reason, I'd use a tactic of telling my sb's that money is going to be tight for the next month and we won't be able to see each other for a little while. Every time I've used this, every one of them has said that we can still see each other and that they're with me because they enjoy my company not because of the money. Now would this still be the case if I told them that I would have to permanently cut them off? Hard to say definitively, but I'm confident that with the 3 I have now, the answer would still be yes. The problem with not paying sb's is that there's a good chance they will start expecting more of an investment from you in other ways, and I would prefer not to go down that road. I've actually had to switch tactics because of this. Instead of telling them money is tight, now I have to tell them that I'm going out of town for business.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2581583]I have 3 in my stable right now, and I've had maybe 4-5 in the past that I saw on a regular basis. When I needed a few weeks away from a sb, or just wasn't able to spend the money for whatever reason, I'd use a tactic of telling my sb's that money is going to be tight for the next month and we won't be able to see each other for a little while. Every time I've used this, every one of them has said that we can still see each other and that they're with me because they enjoy my company not because of the money. Now would this still be the case if I told them that I would have to permanently cut them off? Hard to say definitively, but I'm confident that with the 3 I have now, the answer would still be yes. The problem with not paying sb's is that there's a good chance they will start expecting more of an investment from you in other ways, and I would prefer not to go down that road. I've actually had to switch tactics because of this. Instead of telling them money is tight, now I have to tell them that I'm going out of town for business.[/QUOTE]So they are idiots. No offence but I have no respect for girls that are not looking to better themselves. And like you said these girls are totally lame. So if they can't get some sugar they are going to want something else even more dear to you.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2581600]So they are idiots. No offence but I have no respect for girls that are not looking to better themselves. And like you said these girls are totally lame. So if they can't get some sugar they are going to want something else even more dear to you.[/QUOTE]I don't know HWG. There have been members here reporting SBs falling in love with them. Things there in L. A. , and the methods you use, may not apply to everyone all the time.

The closest anecdote I could provide is a nice single mom I met on SA once in preparation for a trip. She had a very good career, was very intelligent, cute face and great body. Unlike some of the SBs we discuss here she wanted to know things about me like the type of books I read. She sent me pics (non-nude) of her with her family, her parents, etc. She had been in a "relationship" as she called it with a long-term SD, and according to her was faithful but he cut it off to focus on his marriage so she was looking for a replacement. She said he would gift her each weekend but that payment wasn't her motivation, and encouraged me "not to make it about money" as she put it.

So when the time came for me to visit her town, I had every intention of meeting her. The first couple of nights I was in town, I ended up hooking up with others who were simply higher on my priority list than her (I didn't tell her she was on a list of contingency girls or a fallback plan, but I did tell her when my availability had changed and I was honest with her that I had met someone else). Well before long she is begging me to let her just stop by my hotel for a quick fuck, in fact she wanted to swing by right before I checked out the next morning for a quickee. As she put it, she just wanted to fuck me because it had been a few months since she had sex and all the conversations with me had gotten her horny -- no sugar or anything like that required just a straight up fuck. I ended up not doing it because like I said I had all my needs met that trip, but my point is that some girls embark on being an SB even when it's not about the money. I can assure you if you talked to her for any length of time you would agree she is as sane as any other female out there (actually more than most), and certainly not lame or desperate. I am 100% certain I could date her without any sugar involved even if I met her on the SA site. A sexual deviant? No, she was a little on the horny side but no more so than any other young professional who is busy with a real job and raising a kid and not able to date as much as she otherwise would be able to, and I like women with strong sex drives.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2581583]I have 3 in my stable right now, and I've had maybe 4-5 in the past that I saw on a regular basis. When I needed a few weeks away from a sb, or just wasn't able to spend the money for whatever reason, I'd use a tactic of telling my sb's that money is going to be tight for the next month and we won't be able to see each other for a little while. Every time I've used this, every one of them has said that we can still see each other and that they're with me because they enjoy my company not because of the money. Now would this still be the case if I told them that I would have to permanently cut them off? Hard to say definitively, but I'm confident that with the 3 I have now, the answer would still be yes. The problem with not paying sb's is that there's a good chance they will start expecting more of an investment from you in other ways, and I would prefer not to go down that road. I've actually had to switch tactics because of this. Instead of telling them money is tight, now I have to tell them that I'm going out of town for business.[/QUOTE]I think those sound more like real SBs. Perhaps that attitude versus pay-per-play is really the defining line between a true SB and a UTR / pro girl.

A lot of times the "traditional" SB becomes more of a live-in fixture, but even then one could argue they are benefitting from a lifestyle (free rent if nothing else) they wouldn't otherwise have. I'd still call it fair play in the realm of "true SB behavior" though.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2581616]I don't know HWG. There have been members here reporting SBs falling in love with them. Things there in L. A. , and the methods you use, may not apply to everyone all the time.

The closest anecdote I could provide is a nice single mom I met on SA once in preparation for a trip. She had a very good career, was very intelligent, cute face and great body. Unlike some of the SBs we discuss here she wanted to know things about me like the type of books I read. She sent me pics (non-nude) of her with her family, her parents, etc. She had been in a "relationship" as she called it with a long-term SD, and according to her was faithful but he cut it off to focus on his marriage so she was looking for a replacement. She said he would gift her each weekend but that payment wasn't her motivation, and encouraged me "not to make it about money" as she put it.

So when the time came for me to visit her town, I had every intention of meeting her. The first couple of nights I was in town, I ended up hooking up with others who were simply higher on my priority list than her (I didn't tell her she was on a list of contingency girls or a fallback plan, but I did tell her when my availability had changed and I was honest with her that I had met someone else). Well before long she is begging me to let her just stop by my hotel for a quick fuck, in fact she wanted to swing by right before I checked out the next morning for a quickee. As she put it, she just wanted to fuck me because it had been a few months since she had sex and all the conversations with me had gotten her horny -- no sugar or anything like that required just a straight up fuck. I ended up not doing it because like I said I had all my needs met that trip, but my point is that some girls embark on being an SB even when it's not about the money. I can assure you if you talked to her for any length of time you would agree she is as sane as any other female out there (actually more than most), and certainly not lame or desperate. I am 100% certain I could date her without any sugar involved even if I met her on the SA site. A sexual deviant? No, she was a little on the horny side but no more so than any other young professional who is busy with a real job and raising a kid and not able to date as much as she otherwise would be able to, and I like women with strong sex drives.[/QUOTE]Well its like they say "there is L.A. and N.Y." and then the whole rest of the country. People move here to get ahead in no uncertain terms, if that's not your attitude then you are just a slacker. And then going to be stuck in the hood or some very far away suburb. When a 2 BR apt is 3k a month you have to be motivated. I actually rarely date girls from Hollywood, DTLA, or the west side for that very reason. Because we both know that my $ donation isn't going to cut it. Like my ATF posted on her FB. Young guys call it tricking, mature men call it providing. I will never date a girl that isnt motivated to want more. More $, more respect, more opportunity.

If they want to go all wifey then maybe they have a bigger and far more expensive plan for you. But its all relative to the age, location, etc. just bored and posting as usual.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2581850]Well its like they say "there is L.A. and N.Y." and then the whole rest of the country. People move here to get ahead in no uncertain terms, if that's not your attitude then you are just a slacker. And then going to be stuck in the hood or some very far away suburb. When a 2 BR apt is 3k a month you have to be motivated. I actually rarely date girls from Hollywood, DTLA, or the west side for that very reason. Because we both know that my $ donation isn't going to cut it. Like my ATF posted on her FB. Young guys call it tricking, mature men call it providing. I will never date a girl that isnt motivated to want more. More $, more respect, more opportunity.

If they want to go all wifey then maybe they have a bigger and far more expensive plan for you. But its all relative to the age, location, etc. just bored and posting as usual.[/QUOTE]LA, NYC, Miami and Vegas are the four spots I regard as different than the rest of the USA. It takes a certain kind of woman to intentionally move to any of those spots for sure, and I'm sure in most cases any one of them that does has already considered cost of living and what they might need to do to overcome it.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2581600]So they are idiots. No offence but I have no respect for girls that are not looking to better themselves. And like you said these girls are totally lame. So if they can't get some sugar they are going to want something else even more dear to you.[/QUOTE]Not idiots, just young. And like you, I'm around the 100 donation point with these girls which isn't going to make or break them. Meaning if they're going to be with me, it's going to be for more than just money. This is where having game and looking half-way decent comes into play. With all of them, we initially had a M&G before discussing money. Once I had the chance to meet them and charm them, they were much more accepting of my 100 offer. One of these girls has another sd who buys her expensive shit all the time and gives her 300 each visit. I've seen the gifts he bought her, so that's legit, but she could be lying about the donation aspect. Who knows. She claimed that he was trying to get some for free at one point, and she turned him down. Again, she could be lying but it doesn't matter. Sometimes, young girls just enjoy the company (sexual and otherwise) of a more mature man. But you know this already.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2582000]Not idiots, just young. And like you, I'm around the 100 donation point with these girls which isn't going to make or break them. Meaning if they're going to be with me, it's going to be for more than just money. This is where having game and looking half-way decent comes into play. With all of them, we initially had a M&G before discussing money. Once I had the chance to meet them and charm them, they were much more accepting of my 100 offer. One of these girls has another sd who buys her expensive shit all the time and gives her 300 each visit. I've seen the gifts he bought her, so that's legit, but she could be lying about the donation aspect. Who knows. She claimed that he was trying to get some for free at one point, and she turned him down. Again, she could be lying but it doesn't matter. Sometimes, young girls just enjoy the company (sexual and otherwise) of a more mature man. But you know this already.[/QUOTE]I am in the process of trying to get back with my x and she told me she has a sugar daddy that is paying $$ to $$$$$ for business trips locally and around the country. And he is not allowed to lay a hand on her. I know this is a fact and not her bs-ing me as I would never have known without her telling me. So it can go both ways for sure.

But she is a stripper and knows how to work a guy. Still she wanted to know what my offer would be going forward. And its the usual. I may also set her up to cam in my house to help reduce my costs. But I am going to keep her at a $. Last go around it was at $$, but her earning potential was much lower then. Now she cams, strips and has a lame daddy. So she is working with me to keep my costs down. But free. Not going to happen.

She has a GF that I am sure she spends on. No problem. This will be an interesting adventure as we are in love. We had sex for the first time in a year a couple of days ago. I am on a hot streak for getting pussy (8 different girls in 8 days, with only one refusing me) , but pretty cold in the romance dept. since we broke up. And it can get lonely.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2582007]I am in the process of trying to get back with my x and she told me she has a sugar daddy that is paying $$ to $$$$$ for business trips locally and around the country. And he is not allowed to lay a hand on her. I know this is a fact and not her bs-ing me as I would never have known without her telling me. So it can go both ways for sure.

But she is a stripper and knows how to work a guy. Still she wanted to know what my offer would be going forward. And its the usual. I may also set her up to cam in my house to help reduce my costs. But I am going to keep her at a $. Last go around it was at $$, but her earning potential was much lower then. Now she cams, strips and has a lame daddy. So she is working with me to keep my costs down. But free. Not going to happen.

She has a GF that I am sure she spends on. No problem. This will be an interesting adventure as we are in love. We had sex for the first time in a year a couple of days ago. I am on a hot streak for getting pussy (8 different girls in 8 days, with only one refusing me) , but pretty cold in the romance dept. since we broke up. And it can get lonely.[/QUOTE]She looks good. I'm working on adding an AA stripper to my stable at the moment also. We'll see what happens. My situation has changed in the past 4 months. When I originally got into the whole sugar daddy thing, I was in a relationship, and due to certain circumstances I needed to get some on the side. Meeting sugar babies was much more attractive to me then going the escort route, and this worked in my favor, because as I mentioned in my last post, some of these girls can be swayed with game / looks and it's not just about money like it would be with a girl from BP or Eros. However, I'm single now and have started "regular" dating again in addition to my current stable. But I've noticed a disturbing trend. Sex with an sb is tremendously hotter to me than sex with a civy. And in all honesty, a couple of the civy's I hooked up with were better looking than my current sb's and their performance was on par with them. It's almost like banging sb's has become a fetish for me. The fact that I'm turning these "regular girls" into my own private prostitute is a huge turn-on for me. Where as with the civy girls, it's just plain old sex. It's almost like I'm getting hooked on the deviant nature of an arrangement.

[QUOTE=DogSun;2582027]She looks good. I'm working on adding an AA stripper to my stable at the moment also. We'll see what happens. My situation has changed in the past 4 months. When I originally got into the whole sugar daddy thing, I was in a relationship, and due to certain circumstances I needed to get some on the side. Meeting sugar babies was much more attractive to me then going the escort route, and this worked in my favor, because as I mentioned in my last post, some of these girls can be swayed with game / looks and it's not just about money like it would be with a girl from BP or Eros. However, I'm single now and have started "regular" dating again in addition to my current stable. But I've noticed a disturbing trend. Sex with an sb is tremendously hotter to me than sex with a civy. And in all honesty, a couple of the civy's I hooked up with were better looking than my current sb's and their performance was on par with them. It's almost like banging sb's has become a fetish for me. The fact that I'm turning these "regular girls" into my own private prostitute is a huge turn-on for me. Where as with the civy girls, it's just plain old sex. It's almost like I'm getting hooked on the deviant nature of an arrangement.[/QUOTE]I have had one civvy experience in the last 8 years. A hot but older Chinese professor at a local college whose hubby was a way for a few weeks. The sex was only interesting as we managed to do one thing she loved that her hubby wasnt even aware that she craved. And she never told him she liked it. But was it hot? We had our moments. But the amount of effort to get her to the FC was a lot. And the overall dynamic didnt really appeal to me. I like the control of being an SD. And I had virtually no control over her. Hard to get that in the civvy world. And I am a hermit. So its hard for me to hit up girls (as I never see any, lol). And when I do they seem to always turn me down. So why bother when there is a tsunami of eager hot pussy online?

Also I got a promotion of sorts at work so the stress of staying on a limited budget is slowly melting away. Even when I could not afford my hobby I stayed in the game figuring the economy would start to rise. My income is directly tied to consumer spending, so the recession really hurt me. But maybe trump is getting people motivated. I dont really care what the reason is but I am looking forward to increasing my ability to date the better looking girls. So far I still havent been persuaded to up the ante per date. But I always bonus my regulars. So the $ is really $.4 overall. This year i saved just by dating less, but my per date average has held steady for almost 2 years now. But nothing like the old days when I spent money like a drunken sailor and far less to show for it except some eye candy.