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Guys,

I wanted to post a PSA in this thread because it is the most read. I saw a lady tonight who got caught in a sting last year. I'm not going to dive into her business for privacy reasons. However, I do want to share a warning with the law changing in a few weeks.

First, LEO is going to be very sophisticated with trying to catch mongers. What I learned tonight, they can get you for "probable cause" for almost anything. How she got caught, I never would have guessed it would've happened that way. To be clear, if you think they will only pop you if you for mention a service for money or explicitly ask for something, you have a rude awakening coming. The new law hasn't even started and they can essentially get you for anything already. It will be 10 times worse come 12/1. The lady I saw did not accept any money, nor did she discuss any specific services.

I highly suggest you have a cooling off period starting 12/1. And when you decide to continue mongering, understand that things are going to be different. Way different. Technicalities that you think will get you out of a sting 100% will not. It doesn't work that way anymore. You have been warned.

Blaze was also picked up yesterday. TMM 11/7.

All.

It's a PSA. She gives a gift for lifetime. Careful, I learnt it the hard way. I am quitting the hobby. I was fully wrapped but still got the gift from her.

[QUOTE=Meat009;7068805]I had a dream with her. No sex, just a blowjob and fingered her. Made her cum twice, and she made me cum once. Damage was 80 for hh. Personality is a 10/10.[/QUOTE]

Either someone mad or they telling the truth Be safe fellas.

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Hello! Anyone seen Baby, aka Ava, aka CeeCee lately? She quoted me some rates and I'm very tempted. Seen her several times before just wondering if anyone had anything new to report? Thanks for the help!

[QUOTE=ScottiePimp;7092393]Guys,

I wanted to post a PSA in this thread because it is the most read. I saw a lady tonight who got caught in a sting last year. I'm not going to dive into her business for privacy reasons. However, I do want to share a warning with the law changing in a few weeks.

First, LEO is going to be very sophisticated with trying to catch mongers. What I learned tonight, they can get you for "probable cause" for almost anything. How she got caught, I never would have guessed it would've happened that way. To be clear, if you think they will only pop you if you for mention a service for money or explicitly ask for something, you have a rude awakening coming. The new law hasn't even started and they can essentially get you for anything already. It will be 10 times worse come 12/1. The lady I saw did not accept any money, nor did she discuss any specific services.

I highly suggest you have a cooling off period starting 12/1. And when you decide to continue mongering, understand that things are going to be different. Way different. Technicalities that you think will get you out of a sting 100% will not. It doesn't work that way anymore. You have been warned.[/QUOTE]In truth, there are several 'new laws', and one really bad one has taken effect already. It's what you're referring to, and it changes the legal definition of solicitation in NC. Previously, to be busted for solicitation you had to 'offer' $ for services or actually do a deal without the decoy or provider entrapping you. There were ways you could protect yourself after they bust you, if you knew enough to stay quiet, not answer questions and not to admit to anything. The new definition is vague and broad AF. It extends solicitation to include 'intent'. They describe several examples within the law that make you subject to being charged. If you go to their location. That's now intent. So, they can now bust you in the parking lot before you ever see a girl if you've been texting her. That's a 4 month mandatory jail sentence. Also described as intent in the law is 'withdrawing $ from an ATM. So, clearly after they bust you, they will subpoena your bank records. Stay safe out there.

Yea between this new law and guidelines and the drought in this area I may stick with the HOF'ers the professional and legally here, no handler, etc. Not that I ever mess with the demon ones yall are crazy for that LOL. Not worth it. Not for some crackhead who may be desperate and become a Criminal Informant try to reduce their time or an illegal operation of foreigners. Yup I'm good. Thanks for the info though really appreciate it I remember hearing "12/1" but didn't know all the details. They sure take the fun out of everything ehh?

Be safe guys 🤙127995;.

[QUOTE=ScottiePimp;7092393]Guys,

I wanted to post a PSA in this thread because it is the most read. I saw a lady tonight who got caught in a sting last year. I'm not going to dive into her business for privacy reasons. However, I do want to share a warning with the law changing in a few weeks.

First, LEO is going to be very sophisticated with trying to catch mongers. What I learned tonight, they can get you for "probable cause" for almost anything. How she got caught, I never would have guessed it would've happened that way. To be clear, if you think they will only pop you if you for mention a service for money or explicitly ask for something, you have a rude awakening coming. The new law hasn't even started and they can essentially get you for anything already. It will be 10 times worse come 12/1. The lady I saw did not accept any money, nor did she discuss any specific services.

I highly suggest you have a cooling off period starting 12/1. And when you decide to continue mongering, understand that things are going to be different. Way different. Technicalities that you think will get you out of a sting 100% will not. It doesn't work that way anymore. You have been warned.[/QUOTE]

Saw her within the past few days. Once she replied comms weren't bad. Standard incall at common place off NC 54. She's just really, really rundown. Epitome of junkie. She was definitely on something, marks, bruises, and body discolorations all over the fucking place. Bad teeth. Admittedly she has really nice features (tits, ass, pretty face for a junkie), but everything else just makes you feel like 'WTF am I doing here?' she wasn't clean at all. I'm not expecting the nether regions to smell like roses all the time but this was definitely top 3 worst smells I've ever encountered and I've been in the hobby for awhile now. Provided a meh CBJ, I took the plunge and hurried up to finish and get out. Feel like I'm still getting some of the smell days later.

It's encounters and providers like this that really highlights how bad the Raleigh scene is LOL. No way in hell she should be getting away asking 400/ hr. Bad service, hygiene, etc. She may have been worth seeing in the past years ago, but I beg anyone reading this to stay away from her and save your money.

[QUOTE=ChevyGuy03;7092998]Hello! Anyone seen Baby, aka Ava, aka CeeCee lately? She quoted me some rates and I'm very tempted. Seen her several times before just wondering if anyone had anything new to report? Thanks for the help![/QUOTE]

The link is no longer working. Any relevance to the broader forum or what?

[QUOTE=LifeCoach252;7092888]Either someone mad or they telling the truth Be safe fellas.

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[QUOTE=Crl2022;7093522]The link is no longer working. Any relevance to the broader forum or what?[/QUOTE]Had a pic of provider and said they had the HIV.

[QUOTE=Chilljacker;7092775]All.

It's a PSA. She gives a gift for lifetime. Careful, I learnt it the hard way. I am quitting the hobby. I was fully wrapped but still got the gift from her.[/QUOTE]It's damn near impossible to catch something while using protection unless you had some broken or irritated skin in an area not covered by condom, say from nicking yourself with razor while manscaping prior to session thereby providing a route for transmission.

[QUOTE=Crl2022;7093518]Saw her within the past few days. Once she replied comms weren't bad. Standard incall at common place off NC 54. She's just really, really rundown. Epitome of junkie. She was definitely on something, marks, bruises, and body discolorations all over the fucking place. Bad teeth. Admittedly she has really nice features (tits, ass, pretty face for a junkie), but everything else just makes you feel like 'WTF am I doing here?' she wasn't clean at all. I'm not expecting the nether regions to smell like roses all the time but this was definitely top 3 worst smells I've ever encountered and I've been in the hobby for awhile now. Provided a meh CBJ, I took the plunge and hurried up to finish and get out. Feel like I'm still getting some of the smell days later.

It's encounters and providers like this that really highlights how bad the Raleigh scene is LOL. No way in hell she should be getting away asking 400/ hr. Bad service, hygiene, etc. She may have been worth seeing in the past years ago, but I beg anyone reading this to stay away from her and save your money.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Yeah definitely wanted to repeat just to see if she still had the glory years vibe going on. I guess she uses heavy filters in social media posts! LOL. I'm really concerned about this hobby when all the new laws go into effect. I think reliable safe options like Jessica Fox and Savannah for example will be able to charge even a higher premium because we know we will not have to worry about negative legal outcomes with such providers. Providers like Ava and Ashton might get an away with increased pricing but you never know with all the trouble they get in if uncle is behind the curtains somewhere. And no one is going to want to roll the dice and take one for the team on a new provider in the area again. Might be safer and wiser to start going back to bars and trying to find some strange the old fashioned way. LOL.

[QUOTE=Crl2022;7093518]Saw her within the past few days. Once she replied comms weren't bad. Standard incall at common place off NC 54. She's just really, really rundown. Epitome of junkie. She was definitely on something, marks, bruises, and body discolorations all over the fucking place. Bad teeth. Admittedly she has really nice features (tits, ass, pretty face for a junkie), but everything else just makes you feel like 'WTF am I doing here?' she wasn't clean at all. I'm not expecting the nether regions to smell like roses all the time but this was definitely top 3 worst smells I've ever encountered and I've been in the hobby for awhile now. Provided a meh CBJ, I took the plunge and hurried up to finish and get out. Feel like I'm still getting some of the smell days later.

It's encounters and providers like this that really highlights how bad the Raleigh scene is LOL. No way in hell she should be getting away asking 400/ hr. Bad service, hygiene, etc. She may have been worth seeing in the past years ago, but I beg anyone reading this to stay away from her and save your money.[/QUOTE]Was CBJ something you prefer or was BBBJ not something she was ok with? It's imp to knock her down to non-GFE provider if she won't even do BBBJ and there was a post a couple of days ago of her willing to do BBFS so it seems in stark contrast to what others have told in terms of service provided.

[QUOTE=ChevyGuy03;7093925]Thanks for the info. Yeah definitely wanted to repeat just to see if she still had the glory years vibe going on. I guess she uses heavy filters in social media posts! LOL. I'm really concerned about this hobby when all the new laws go into effect. I think reliable safe options like Jessica Fox and Savannah for example will be able to charge even a higher premium because we know we will not have to worry about negative legal outcomes with such providers. Providers like Ava and Ashton might get an away with increased pricing but you never know with all the trouble they get in if uncle is behind the curtains somewhere. And no one is going to want to roll the dice and take one for the team on a new provider in the area again. Might be safer and wiser to start going back to bars and trying to find some strange the old fashioned way. LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm definitely curious about what's going to happen. On one hand, it would seem like NC would be the destination that providers would want to operate in. I mean, they can't be charged for solicitation anymore. In theory, their risk just went way, way down and they have all the legal leverage in the transaction. I mean, if you are having a disagreement with them in the room, they can just call the cops now. You would think that should lower prices, right? I mean if their risk drops and our risk goes through the roof, pricing should change with the risk, right? But, I doubt that will happen. On the other hand, who will be the market for these providers? Many of us are about to be taken off the streets, either because the risk is too great or because we get busted and we no longer have our freedom. Also, where are these girls going to stay, with their lodgers looking to boot them? So, I can see a future where this state is filled with working girls, who can now almost operate legally, and I can simultaneously see a future where there's a drastically reduced market for these providers. Only time will tell. What I do know for sure is that there's lots of hobbyists that aren't utilizing this forum that are about to be busted and absolutely destroyed because they don't know about the change. I feel bad for them.

[QUOTE=MmceStep;7094205]I'm definitely curious about what's going to happen. On one hand, it would seem like NC would be the destination that providers would want to operate in. I mean, they can't be charged for solicitation anymore. In theory, their risk just went way, way down and they have all the legal leverage in the transaction. I mean, if you are having a disagreement with them in the room, they can just call the cops now. You would think that should lower prices, right? I mean if their risk drops and our risk goes through the roof, pricing should change with the risk, right? But, I doubt that will happen. On the other hand, who will be the market for these providers? Many of us are about to be taken off the streets, either because the risk is too great or because we get busted and we no longer have our freedom. Also, where are these girls going to stay, with their lodgers looking to boot them? So, I can see a future where this state is filled with working girls, who can now almost operate legally, and I can simultaneously see a future where there's a drastically reduced market for these providers. Only time will tell. What I do know for sure is that there's lots of hobbyists that aren't utilizing this forum that are about to be busted and absolutely destroyed because they don't know about the change. I feel bad for them.[/QUOTE]I see more of the scam artists being emboldened to set guys up for robbery or scams. They know if you call the cops for them stealing your money or threatening you, you will face a much bigger charge than they would. They can claim PTSD, attempted assault, etc. And you are up shit's creek with a hole in your canoe. Even if they have a bf / pimp / handler that strong arms you, if you report it then the both of you will get arrested. Would you want to be in the same holding area as the guy who just tried to rob you? I have also found that many of them were not aware of the changes, so at first there may be no issue. However, as time passes and they or their associates get arrested they will learn more about these laws.

Idk if I would go as far as saying their risk "just went away" as opposed to staying the same if not also increases. Our risk definitely goes up but I think as a base case no one in this hobby on either side want any trouble with law. Saying "they can just call the cops now" seems a bit unlikely to me. What good would come from that from a providers standpoint? If anything, I anticipate hotels / motels being more vigilant about reporting suspicious activity from a particular room (s). And perhaps your interpretation of the law is different than mine but working girls "can now almost operate legally" isn't a conclusion I took away from the law. That doesn't seem accurate to me. I do agree it will most definitely be interesting to see how things play out over the next few months.

[QUOTE=MmceStep;7094205]I'm definitely curious about what's going to happen. On one hand, it would seem like NC would be the destination that providers would want to operate in. I mean, they can't be charged for solicitation anymore. In theory, their risk just went way, way down and they have all the legal leverage in the transaction. I mean, if you are having a disagreement with them in the room, they can just call the cops now. You would think that should lower prices, right? I mean if their risk drops and our risk goes through the roof, pricing should change with the risk, right? But, I doubt that will happen. On the other hand, who will be the market for these providers? Many of us are about to be taken off the streets, either because the risk is too great or because we get busted and we no longer have our freedom. Also, where are these girls going to stay, with their lodgers looking to boot them? So, I can see a future where this state is filled with working girls, who can now almost operate legally, and I can simultaneously see a future where there's a drastically reduced market for these providers. Only time will tell. What I do know for sure is that there's lots of hobbyists that aren't utilizing this forum that are about to be busted and absolutely destroyed because they don't know about the change. I feel bad for them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crl2022;7094342]Idk if I would go as far as saying their risk "just went away" as opposed to staying the same if not also increases. Our risk definitely goes up but I think as a base case no one in this hobby on either side want any trouble with law. Saying "they can just call the cops now" seems a bit unlikely to me. What good would come from that from a providers standpoint? If anything, I anticipate hotels / motels being more vigilant about reporting suspicious activity from a particular room (s). And perhaps your interpretation of the law is different than mine but working girls "can now almost operate legally" isn't a conclusion I took away from the law. That doesn't seem accurate to me. I do agree it will most definitely be interesting to see how things play out over the next few months.[/QUOTE]I'm a lawyer, although not criminal law.

1. They can no longer be charged with solicitation. Their risk perhaps is for drug charges, outstanding warrants etc. , but as it relates to prostitution related offenses, they are now classified as victims.

2. The state made sure to specifically allow them to collect Victim Impact Funds (up to $12,000 per case). The judge will see to it that this is collected from us. Remember that the solicitation charge carries a mandatory 4 mos and up to 24 months, for first offenses, with no Prayer For Judgment (even drug cases and violent crimes allow for PFJ in NC) - this is devastating when facing these charges. I guarantee you that the way this will work is that if you come up with the $12 k or whatever the judge ascribes, you get the 4 mos. If not. Well, you'll probably get more time. In other Class I felony crimes (IMO more serious crimes), you could pony up with Victim Impact Funds and skip jail altogether if you had the right lawyer and judge. They've done away with that by taking that latitude away from the judge completely.

My detective friend says that LEO will open any questioning of the provider at any scene with 1. "You can't be charged" and 2. "help us by testifying against him and collect your $$ " That could very well become quite a business for some of these girls (the ones not zonked out on candy anyway). In fact, I could imagine a situation where LEO actually uses some of the ones we already know on stings so they can just rack up the easy felony arrests. Why wouldn't these women do this? They're already willing to do so many other scandalous things for a few bucks.

[QUOTE=LifeLine;7094221]I see more of the scam artists being emboldened to set guys up for robbery or scams. They know if you call the cops for them stealing your money or threatening you, you will face a much bigger charge than they would. They can claim PTSD, attempted assault, etc. And you are up shit's creek with a hole in your canoe. Even if they have a bf / pimp / handler that strong arms you, if you report it then the both of you will get arrested. Would you want to be in the same holding area as the guy who just tried to rob you? I have also found that many of them were not aware of the changes, so at first there may be no issue. However, as time passes and they or their associates get arrested they will learn more about these laws.[/QUOTE]I too have not encountered providers who knew of the changes. LEO intends to educate them as they investigate, so they can flip them. Believe me, as soon as the first one collects her Victim Impact Funds, they will all know where they stand.

[QUOTE=LifeLine;7094221]I see more of the scam artists being emboldened to set guys up for robbery or scams. They know if you call the cops for them stealing your money or threatening you, you will face a much bigger charge than they would. They can claim PTSD, attempted assault, etc. And you are up shit's creek with a hole in your canoe. Even if they have a bf / pimp / handler that strong arms you, if you report it then the both of you will get arrested. Would you want to be in the same holding area as the guy who just tried to rob you? I have also found that many of them were not aware of the changes, so at first there may be no issue. However, as time passes and they or their associates get arrested they will learn more about these laws.[/QUOTE]I mean, the smart ones wouldn't try to rob / extort, since that would add felony charges unrelated to the hobby. The dumb ones definitely would probably try, if desperate enough, though. And I guess they're the ones you'd want to watch out for anyways.

[QUOTE=MmceStep;7094484]I'm a lawyer, although not criminal law.

1. They can no longer be charged with solicitation. Their risk perhaps is for drug charges, outstanding warrants etc. , but as it relates to prostitution related offenses, they are now classified as victims.

2. The state made sure to specifically allow them to collect Victim Impact Funds (up to $12,000 per case). The judge will see to it that this is collected from us. Remember that the solicitation charge carries a mandatory 4 mos and up to 24 months, for first offenses, with no Prayer For Judgment (even drug cases and violent crimes allow for PFJ in NC) - this is devastating when facing these charges. I guarantee you that the way this will work is that if you come up with the $12 k or whatever the judge ascribes, you get the 4 mos. If not. Well, you'll probably get more time. In other Class I felony crimes (IMO more serious crimes), you could pony up with Victim Impact Funds and skip jail altogether if you had the right lawyer and judge. They've done away with that by taking that latitude away from the judge completely.

My detective friend says that LEO will open any questioning of the provider at any scene with 1. "You can't be charged" and 2. "help us by testifying against him and collect your $$ " That could very well become quite a business for some of these girls (the ones not zonked out on candy anyway). In fact, I could imagine a situation where LEO actually uses some of the ones we already know on stings so they can just rack up the easy felony arrests. Why wouldn't these women do this? They're already willing to do so many other scandalous things for a few bucks.[/QUOTE]I foresee many "I can't believe she did that to me" posts on this board. I don't care how well you think you know a provider. They will be enticed to rat you out and not think twice about it. I could even see them proactively reaching out to providers with past records that they know still provide to try and get on board as informants. I thought I had a strategy to beat LEO on this, but I'm considering leaving the hobby all together at this point. The only thing I'm wondering is if judges will be willing to change the charge from solicitation to something else to avoid jail time if you cooperate. Any thoughts there as a lawyer?

Another Sunday ruined.

I trusted her because I did an incall with her last October. But this time she did an outcall, and right after I sent the CashApp money, she claimed she had to pay her driver. And surprise, surprise, she never came back. I am not rich folks. I am just an incel trying to have a nice time. I didn't deserve this, and none of you deserve it either. Good luck!

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[QUOTE=MmceStep;7094484]I'm a lawyer, although not criminal law.

1. They can no longer be charged with solicitation. Their risk perhaps is for drug charges, outstanding warrants etc. , but as it relates to prostitution related offenses, they are now classified as victims.

2. The state made sure to specifically allow them to collect Victim Impact Funds (up to $12,000 per case). The judge will see to it that this is collected from us. Remember that the solicitation charge carries a mandatory 4 mos and up to 24 months, for first offenses, with no Prayer For Judgment (even drug cases and violent crimes allow for PFJ in NC) - this is devastating when facing these charges. I guarantee you that the way this will work is that if you come up with the $12 k or whatever the judge ascribes, you get the 4 mos. If not. Well, you'll probably get more time. In other Class I felony crimes (IMO more serious crimes), you could pony up with Victim Impact Funds and skip jail altogether if you had the right lawyer and judge. They've done away with that by taking that latitude away from the judge completely.

My detective friend says that LEO will open any questioning of the provider at any scene with 1. "You can't be charged" and 2. "help us by testifying against him and collect your $$ " That could very well become quite a business for some of these girls (the ones not zonked out on candy anyway). In fact, I could imagine a situation where LEO actually uses some of the ones we already know on stings so they can just rack up the easy felony arrests. Why wouldn't these women do this? They're already willing to do so many other scandalous things for a few bucks.[/QUOTE]Here's the hard part for me to understand. It's illegal for someone to pay for it but it's not illegal for someone to offer it for sale. That's just fucked up.

[QUOTE=ScottiePimp;7094612]I foresee many "I can't believe she did that to me" posts on this board. I don't care how well you think you know a provider. They will be enticed to rat you out and not think twice about it. I could even see them proactively reaching out to providers with past records that they know still provide to try and get on board as informants. I thought I had a strategy to beat LEO on this, but I'm considering leaving the hobby all together at this point. The only thing I'm wondering is if judges will be willing to change the charge from solicitation to something else to avoid jail time if you cooperate. Any thoughts there as a lawyer?[/QUOTE]So, in NC the Prosecutor would be required to do that, as they've removed Prayer For Judgment. I don't see that happening, unless they have a really weak case. The way these new laws all intersect, they aren't going to have many weak cases. I mean, intent?? That's easy to prove. They'll be able to prove that 3 or 4 different ways once you show up at the incall parking lot. Before you even say anything. The Judge can't alter charges, go outside the sentencing guidelines or consider your spotless record. I would imagine more liberal judges (and I know who several of them are, and a couple are not happy about this law) will probably be more inclined to give you the minimum 4 months, and the conservative judges are probably going to lecture you on how you're destroying the community, your family, tell you to find Jesus in jail and give you more time. Basically the legislature along with the family values PAC (that they felt pressured by) removed Prayer For Judgment as a last ditch amendment to the bill. It's a very dirty tactic. This forces the judges in more liberal counties to have to use the bench to legislate their morality.

After doing a really deep dive on this, this law is waaay worse than the Texas law, and it's no wonder the two FBI Human Trafficking Teams intend to camp here for awhile.

[QUOTE=CoopDawg;7094891]Here's the hard part for me to understand. It's illegal for someone to pay for it but it's not illegal for someone to offer it for sale. That's just fucked up.[/QUOTE]It really is COOP. It's clear this law isn't about what's right or wrong to them. They want to dry up the market and put the no-tell motels out of business. They think attacking supply won't dry up the hobby, so they're going after demand.

I have a number of real problems with this: 1. They're saying the 'victim', a likely hard drug user who does this crime 20 times per day is now 'innocent' and the john who perhaps does this crime once every 1-3 months is the criminal. That's hard to justify. What is giving a junkie $12 k going to do? That smells like a lot of funerals to me. 2. These drug using women and their junkie handlers are using this hobby as a way to buy their drugs. They won't be quitting if / when the market dries up, we all know this. So, maybe they instead start robbing people out for a night on the town at knifepoint? Going after a relatively victimless crime and pushing the junkies into perhaps violent crimes or more property crimes instead? Makes little sense. Except that it's what the morality police want.

[QUOTE=MmceStep;7094484]I'm a lawyer, although not criminal law.

1. They can no longer be charged with solicitation. Their risk perhaps is for drug charges, outstanding warrants etc. , but as it relates to prostitution related offenses, they are now classified as victims.

2. The state made sure to specifically allow them to collect Victim Impact Funds (up to $12,000 per case). The judge will see to it that this is collected from us. Remember that the solicitation charge carries a mandatory 4 mos and up to 24 months, for first offenses, with no Prayer For Judgment (even drug cases and violent crimes allow for PFJ in NC) - this is devastating when facing these charges. I guarantee you that the way this will work is that if you come up with the $12 k or whatever the judge ascribes, you get the 4 mos. If not. Well, you'll probably get more time. In other Class I felony crimes (IMO more serious crimes), you could pony up with Victim Impact Funds and skip jail altogether if you had the right lawyer and judge. They've done away with that by taking that latitude away from the judge completely.

My detective friend says that LEO will open any questioning of the provider at any scene with 1. "You can't be charged" and 2. "help us by testifying against him and collect your $$ " That could very well become quite a business for some of these girls (the ones not zonked out on candy anyway). In fact, I could imagine a situation where LEO actually uses some of the ones we already know on stings so they can just rack up the easy felony arrests. Why wouldn't these women do this? They're already willing to do so many other scandalous things for a few bucks.[/QUOTE]My question then becomes does this law apply to sites like SA or CC? What about girls trying to be picked up via IG or SC? The ramifications of this seem far reaching.

[QUOTE=MmceStep;7095115]It really is COOP. It's clear this law isn't about what's right or wrong to them. They want to dry up the market and put the no-tell motels out of business. They think attacking supply won't dry up the hobby, so they're going after demand.

I have a number of real problems with this: 1. They're saying the 'victim', a likely hard drug user who does this crime 20 times per day is now 'innocent' and the john who perhaps does this crime once every 1-3 months is the criminal. That's hard to justify. What is giving a junkie $12 k going to do? That smells like a lot of funerals to me. 2. These drug using women and their junkie handlers are using this hobby as a way to buy their drugs. They won't be quitting if / when the market dries up, we all know this. So, maybe they instead start robbing people out for a night on the town at knifepoint? Going after a relatively victimless crime and pushing the junkies into perhaps violent crimes or more property crimes instead? Makes little sense. Except that it's what the morality police want.[/QUOTE]Of course they are targeting the demand. The supply has pretty much nothing to lose. It's why we see these girls on the mugshot websites again and again and again.

Guys, get mentally prepared for a new hobby in Dec. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Still, I know some of you are hardheaded and won't listen; can't wait to see you on WRAL. I wonder if the only viable workaround would be funding sugarbabies

[QUOTE=KillDatAss4479;7095427]Of course they are targeting the demand. The supply has pretty much nothing to lose. It's why we see these girls on the mugshot websites again and again and again.

Guys, get mentally prepared for a new hobby in Dec. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Still, I know some of you are hardheaded and won't listen; can't wait to see you on WRAL. I wonder if the only viable workaround would be funding sugarbabies[/QUOTE]I think the only potential workaround is to secure some providers beforehand that will agree to never discuss money again. You guys have your agreement. You show up, do the deed, and leave her donation after. If she mentions anything regarding money, you tell her that's illegal and bounce. I'm sure there are still holes in that strategy but it's the best I can come up with.

As the subject suggests, do you guys usually do QV, HHR, or HR? I ask because I've been doing HHR but it seems like after I do the deed with these SWs, which takes much less than HHR, they want me to leave. It's like they won't bluntly outright tell me "okay time for you to go," but they'll get up and be like "well, it was nice meeting you" as if to cue me to leave. I'll know that less than HHR has passed, but at the same time, it feels awkward to say something like "wait hold on, only x minutes have passed. " Don't get me wrong, I know time is money for these ladies, and they just want to move on to their next buck, and I respect that it's their body their rules, but when we purchase these times, are we actually just purchasing time until we bust a nut rather than total time spent with them? Please enlighten me. Also, what do you guys usually go for (QV, HHR, or HR) and how do your sessions usually play out (like from the moment you're greeted at the door until you leave)?

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/northcarolina/raleigh/178781327[/URL]#.

She's been posting for roughly 3-4 weeks.

[QUOTE=ScotRapp;7095328]My question then becomes does this law apply to sites like SA or CC? What about girls trying to be picked up via IG or SC? The ramifications of this seem far reaching.[/QUOTE]It's certainly possible. The only question is whether or not LEO wants to investigate this area. I could see a situation where you're on an S&A Meet and Greet over coffee or dinner and you mention sex and get busted by a decoy. I only really use SA for relationship arrangements, but I've had some really disgruntled babies after I broke up with them 3-4 months in. They really enjoy the lifestyle of being able to fly out on vacations and not pay for anything. They get pissed when the faucet turns off. I actually had to get a Personal Protection Order out for one of them, who camped on my doorstep, went to my employer etc. She wanted to destroy me. As soon as I broke up with her she threatened to expose my SA messages to my employer, my kids etc. When she did that I deleted my SA account immediately, right while she was still in my place. And man was she pissed about that 20 minutes later when she got home and tried to screenshot everything. Had this law been in place then, I guarantee you she would call LEO and say she had been trafficked, with all the screenshots and messages. Would LEO follow-up on that? I don't know the answer, but I know that as she was stalking me, the detectives involved were actually catching her in the act of stalking me and treating her like the 'poor heartbroken young lady' (she was hot, LOL), and every time she threw bullshit back at me they came to question me about it. There was a huge bias. I said to one of the detectives, "C'Mon. Man, if your people caught me looking through her windows at 2 am I would be in the back of a police car. " He said, "Probably" So, your question is something I wouldn't rule out. But I think the conditions would have to be right.

[QUOTE=MmceStep;7094205]I'm definitely curious about what's going to happen. On one hand, it would seem like NC would be the destination that providers would want to operate in. I mean, they can't be charged for solicitation anymore. In theory, their risk just went way, way down and they have all the legal leverage in the transaction. I mean, if you are having a disagreement with them in the room, they can just call the cops now.[/QUOTE]I'm going to talk about the practical effects. Anyone can threaten to call the cops, no matter the law of course. But most people will not actually call the cops in such a situation. For example one landlord wanted to evict a korg and threatened to call the cops if they didn't agree to terminate the lease. So they agreed, and slowly moved out over several weeks. The landlord does not want a bad rep, actually calling the cops is unthinkable unless they have no other choice to get rid of them. For various reasons, calling the cops is not a common thing. But the possibility is used to scare people and drive them off.

Note that threatening to call the cops unless you pay an extra fee is extortion, no matter the legality of calling the cops without that threat. For example I'll call the cops that you stole $100 unless you give me $500 is a felony. Way worse than the alleged theft. Same with "I'll post X unless you give me why" This is why when you have a legit situation you use a lawyer who will not use threatening language that breaks the law, but can frame it as a settlement. Which is legal. If someone tries to extort you, you're in luck because they messed up and you can ignore them. They are not going to admit to a felony, it is generally much worse than what they are threatening you over.

Next I want to point out business will probably not be up. This is simply a result of competition. Girls do not go "where the law is easy", they go where the customers are. Always. Because there are a couple spots in the US where it is 100% legal but you don't see girls flocking to rural Nevada. Just not how girls think.

Enforcement is very state-by-state. In California they repealed the loitering law because cops were harassing innocent civilians for dressing a certain way, especially if they were a certain race. Now, there are streetwalkers around. It is still illegal to solicit but the loitering law made the job super easy (and super abusive towards innocents).

In New York, enforcement is down 100-fold:

[URL]https://gothamist.com/news/there-used-to-be-tens-of-thousands-of-prostitution-arrests-in-nyc-now-about-100[/URL]

People are literally taking the train and flying in to NYC for fun. Enforcement is way down in CA too, and most states. It is not even a drop of water in a bucket. In NYC millions of cocks get turned a year. Everybody goes on with their lives and are happy. Most places are run so as to not cause trouble. Even if not enforced they don't want to be evicted, they want everyone to be happy.

This illustrates it is not the law that matters but whether or not it is even enforced. In certain states it is a misdemeanor but also not even enforced. I post in the COI (City of Industry) strip club forums, gone there for years. It is a non-stop fuck fest. Only the local police are responsible to investigate, but they don't. If anything, it helps the community and the clubs cause no trouble other than bring money in. Everybody is happy. Every few years the police raid for drugs and weapons, completely ignore the sex. They do this when they hear someone got hurt and that's their response. It is not a federal crime so the feds won't touch it. The state leaves it to each police district. So other cities don't have as much fun as COI, it varies from city to city. Just how it is.

For every problem there is a solution. Many locals will stick local but the big money will be elsewhere in the very worst case. And that's where the girls will go to work.

[QUOTE=Luker86;7095543]As the subject suggests, do you guys usually do QV, HHR, or HR? I ask because I've been doing HHR but it seems like after I do the deed with these SWs, which takes much less than HHR, they want me to leave. It's like they won't bluntly outright tell me "okay time for you to go," but they'll get up and be like "well, it was nice meeting you" as if to cue me to leave. I'll know that less than HHR has passed, but at the same time, it feels awkward to say something like "wait hold on, only x minutes have passed. " Don't get me wrong, I know time is money for these ladies, and they just want to move on to their next buck, and I respect that it's their body their rules, but when we purchase these times, are we actually just purchasing time until we bust a nut rather than total time spent with them? Please enlighten me. Also, what do you guys usually go for (QV, HHR, or HR) and how do your sessions usually play out (like from the moment you're greeted at the door until you leave)?[/QUOTE]Usually just a qv bc like you said, after they're ready for the next one.

HR if it's a lazy day and if they are MSOG friendly.

It's ultimately up to you. Sometimes you'll just want something quick.

Most of the time even clock watchers don't start when they greet you at the door, they wait until you get started.

Best is to read reviews and see if the person is a clock watcher and MSOG, then decide based on what you want at the moment.

[QUOTE=DoctorDetroit;7095759][URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/northcarolina/raleigh/178781327[/URL]#.

She's been posting for roughly 3-4 weeks.[/QUOTE]Doesn't look good.

Found this review:

(1. 0 stars 5 reviews).

10/12/2024.

Changes her number and has more bad reviews online. She changes her number because dudes keep commenting that she will just run off with your money and and not see you. Stay away!

[URL]https://callescort.org/910-863-1269[/URL]

[QUOTE=BlindDiscovery;7095916]Doesn't look good.

Found this review:

(1. 0 stars 5 reviews).

10/12/2024.

Changes her number and has more bad reviews online. She changes her number because dudes keep commenting that she will just run off with your money and and not see you. Stay away!

[URL]https://callescort.org/910-863-1269[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you!

[QUOTE=BlindDiscovery;7095863]Usually just a qv bc like you said, after they're ready for the next one.

HR if it's a lazy day and if they are MSOG friendly.

It's ultimately up to you. Sometimes you'll just want something quick.

Most of the time even clock watchers don't start when they greet you at the door, they wait until you get started.

Best is to read reviews and see if the person is a clock watcher and MSOG, then decide based on what you want at the moment.[/QUOTE]That's why they call it "turning a trick".

[QUOTE=DownloadX;7095831]I'm going to talk about the practical effects. Anyone can threaten to call the cops, no matter the law of course. But most people will not actually call the cops in such a situation. For example one landlord wanted to evict a korg and threatened to call the cops if they didn't agree to terminate the lease. So they agreed, and slowly moved out over several weeks. The landlord does not want a bad rep, actually calling the cops is unthinkable unless they have no other choice to get rid of them. For various reasons, calling the cops is not a common thing. But the possibility is used to scare people and drive them off.

Note that threatening to call the cops unless you pay an extra fee is extortion, no matter the legality of calling the cops without that threat. For example I'll call the cops that you stole $100 unless you give me $500 is a felony. Way worse than the alleged theft. Same with "I'll post X unless you give me why" This is why when you have a legit situation you use a lawyer who will not use threatening language that breaks the law, but can frame it as a settlement. Which is legal. If someone tries to extort you, you're in luck because they messed up and you can ignore them. They are not going to admit to a felony, it is generally much worse than what they are threatening you over.

Next I want to point out business will probably not be up. This is simply a result of competition. Girls do not go "where the law is easy", they go where the customers are. Always. Because there are a couple spots in the US where it is 100% legal but you don't see girls flocking to rural Nevada. Just not how girls think.

Enforcement is very state-by-state. In California they repealed the loitering law because cops were harassing innocent civilians for dressing a certain way, especially if they were a certain race. Now, there are streetwalkers around. It is still illegal to solicit but the loitering law made the job super easy (and super abusive towards innocents).

In New York, enforcement is down 100-fold:

[URL]https://gothamist.com/news/there-used-to-be-tens-of-thousands-of-prostitution-arrests-in-nyc-now-about-100[/URL]

People are literally taking the train and flying in to NYC for fun. Enforcement is way down in CA too, and most states. It is not even a drop of water in a bucket. In NYC millions of cocks get turned a year. Everybody goes on with their lives and are happy. Most places are run so as to not cause trouble. Even if not enforced they don't want to be evicted, they want everyone to be happy.

This illustrates it is not the law that matters but whether or not it is even enforced. In certain states it is a misdemeanor but also not even enforced. I post in the COI (City of Industry) strip club forums, gone there for years. It is a non-stop fuck fest. Only the local police are responsible to investigate, but they don't. If anything, it helps the community and the clubs cause no trouble other than bring money in. Everybody is happy. Every few years the police raid for drugs and weapons, completely ignore the sex. They do this when they hear someone got hurt and that's their response. It is not a federal crime so the feds won't touch it. The state leaves it to each police district. So other cities don't have as much fun as COI, it varies from city to city. Just how it is.

For every problem there is a solution. Many locals will stick local but the big money will be elsewhere in the very worst case. And that's where the girls will go to work.[/QUOTE]I think it's very important to recognize the temperature here. You're referring to liberal states. Vice laws have been on the books for a million years in NY and CA, but the key is that, for the most part liberal states really aren't about legislating morality. Sure, do something stupid and you'll get busted. There are occasional stings, especially when Homeland Security teams are working in those states, but for the most part it's not what departments want their people doing, and it's certainly not the kind of cases prosecutors want to be working on. A very good friend of mine from school is a NY Chief Prosecutor and she said to me "I really don't care who fucks who for whatever reason".

This situation in NC is very different. This legislature is all about legislating morality. The 'NC Family Policy Council' is currently the most active lobbying group to the NC legislature, and it is really they that are drafting these bills. They wanted the Porn Law and got it, and they're currently 3 for 3 on Prostitution Bills. They're peddling a couple other doozies right now in Raleigh as well. They get what they want because they fund right-wing campaigns in this state. Sure, the local and county cops get to decide how much attention they give to enforcement. However, the state has provided funding to local agencies to enforce this law. Agencies don't usually turn down opportunities to expand. Further, two Homeland Security sting teams are making their home down here indefinitely. One of the two is already here (probably reading this post). That's an incredible amount of horsepower. I have no doubt that two full teams alone will be able to put enough pressure on every NC USASG forum area on this board for us to feel it. Why do they want to be here? Virtually guaranteed felony convictions. HS (FBI) operated in Texas for awhile after their new law was implemented. However, judges there were able to respond to Prayer For Judgment requests, and many of those judges allowed for lesser charges for first time offenders. That is not possible here. Every arrest = a felony case and the judge cannot downgrade the charges or the sentencing guidelines. This is now the worst place in the USA to hobby. If we're going to continue we need to entirely rethink methods. I doubt I will continue.

Nikoly (Nicoly) Brazilian.

I saw Nicoly Brazilian last week in Charlotte and had a really good experience. She had told me she was going to be in Raleigh Monday -Thursday night this week, so I drove to Raleigh to see her again. She really put it on me last week, so I had to see her again asap. This time I booked an appointment for 2 hours. (Cost: three Ben Franklins per hour.) (one sixty: half, one twenty: quarter.) She is in a nice hotel in North Hills this week.

She was really in to me & I was really in to her, so we picked right up where we left off last week. This woman gives me the best sex I've had in a long long time, it's amazing. So I'm glad I made the drive to see her again. Great athletic body, GFE, DFK, BBJ, DATY, (shaved, pretty pussy,) Mish, & Doggie were all really enjoyable; she has a fine toned ass! For the second time in a week, she fucked the hell out of me again. We were like young kids that couldn't keep our hands off each other. I enjoyed a nice massage with oil she had in between activities and then I massaged her as well. I will also add she speaks decent English if you talk slow (her English is better than the last time I saw her,) but still may need translate for in depth conversation, no biggie. My time with her was bliss and I hated to go, but I will see her whenever I have the opportunity. I'd recommend a visit while she is in your city for a few days.

The photos in the ad are not Nicoly but if you text the number in the ad, the agent will send you the real pictures with her face. Pics below are of her hot body, face obscured. Raleigh ad:

[URL]https://adultsearch.com/us/north-carolina/raleigh/female-escorts/3077653[/URL]

[QUOTE=MmceStep;7096213]I think it's very important to recognize the temperature here. You're referring to liberal states. Vice laws have been on the books for a million years in NY and CA, but the key is that, for the most part liberal states really aren't about legislating morality. Sure, do something stupid and you'll get busted. There are occasional stings, especially when Homeland Security teams are working in those states, but for the most part it's not what departments want their people doing, and it's certainly not the kind of cases prosecutors want to be working on. A very good friend of mine from school is a NY Chief Prosecutor and she said to me "I really don't care who fucks who for whatever reason".

This situation in NC is very different. This legislature is all about legislating morality. The 'NC Family Policy Council' is currently the most active lobbying group to the NC legislature, and it is really they that are drafting these bills. They wanted the Porn Law and got it, and they're currently 3 for 3 on Prostitution Bills. They're peddling a couple other doozies right now in Raleigh as well. They get what they want because they fund right-wing campaigns in this state. Sure, the local and county cops get to decide how much attention they give to enforcement. However, the state has provided funding to local agencies to enforce this law. Agencies don't usually turn down opportunities to expand. Further, two Homeland Security sting teams are making their home down here indefinitely. One of the two is already here (probably reading this post). That's an incredible amount of horsepower. I have no doubt that two full teams alone will be able to put enough pressure on every NC USASG forum area on this board for us to feel it. Why do they want to be here? Virtually guaranteed felony convictions. HS (FBI) operated in Texas for awhile after their new law was implemented. However, judges there were able to respond to Prayer For Judgment requests, and many of those judges allowed for lesser charges for first time offenders..[/QUOTE]Your post is very informative, and accurate. I am in NY. I visited NC and will be visiting again next year. I did notice when I went to Xhamster while in NC it asked me for some kind of verification it never asked for before I got worried and didn't continue to the site. Please enlighten me what is the porn law?

[QUOTE=ChevyGuy03;7092998]Hello! Anyone seen Baby, aka Ava, aka CeeCee lately? She quoted me some rates and I'm very tempted. Seen her several times before just wondering if anyone had anything new to report? Thanks for the help![/QUOTE]I saw her at Wally World. She looks like a 60 year old lifetime smoker.

[QUOTE=Parabola;7093802]It's damn near impossible to catch something while using protection unless you had some broken or irritated skin in an area not covered by condom, say from nicking yourself with razor while manscaping prior to session thereby providing a route for transmission.[/QUOTE]Medical professional here: I cannot stress enough how incorrect this is. Take it as a PSA. There are some bugs you will get even with protection; no scratches, cuts, abrasions, rashes etc. On either party needed. Pelvic skin contact of the area the rubber doesn't cover will spread some stuff, a few of which are permanent (HSV, HPV). This is why HSV sores and HPV bumps are most commonly found around the base of the shaft, where the bag don't cover. Don't be surprised if the merchant here isn't disclosing that they're having an active outbreak, and you didn't come with a magnifying glass and culture swab to check.