"starting to think you guys have too much time on your hands!" Zman.
LOL there is NEVER enough time to talk about pussy Amen
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"starting to think you guys have too much time on your hands!" Zman.
LOL there is NEVER enough time to talk about pussy Amen
I know the conversation has shifted but I still wanted to address vulnerable areas that all SDs should secure. We've touched on this subject quite a few times, but it will be good to go over it again for some of the new members and a reminder for the old ones. Given the situation that recently happened to BigTigger, we should be mindful of our vulnerabilities and soft targets that psycho and desperate SBs will exploit.
[b]Vulnerable Targets to your Real Name[/b]
Driver's license. This is obvious, but it can get tricky if you need your I'd to buy alcohol or certain credit purchases. So on your date, try to avoid activities / situations where you might have to present your I'd in front of the SB. And if you must carry your I'd on you, flip your I'd and hide it behind a random gift card and NEVER leave your wallet unattended.
Credit cards. Again obvious, and like the I'd anticipate where you might have to use your CC. Try to use a gift card if possible or use cash. If you must use your real CC, never use it in front of the SB and never leave it unattended.
Polite Waiters and Cashiers. This is a side effect of using a CC. A polite waiter may say,"Thank you Mr. Smith!" and all of a sudden your last name is exposed. Again, this is why cash is king.
Receipts . Receipts from CC purchases often contain your real name. You're probably seeing a pattern why Credit Cards are pretty much a SDs worse enemy when trying to conceal your identity. They just open up a whole can of worms. Also, make sure you clean your car of receipts from before your date. Your identity could get exposed from a stray receipt from when you went to the grocery store last week.
Hotel bills. Particularly if you're staying in a somewhat nice hotel, they require you to provide your real name and identification. Especially with overnighters you have to be careful that the SB doesn't see the hotel bill lying around (or in the TV!) and doesn't talk to the front desk. I honestly would like to know how to secure hotel visits because I honestly don't know the best way and it's why I tend to stay in low-end hotels that make it easier to be anonymous, but the girls aren't exactly thrilled to be there. So I'd love to hear some input on protecting your identity at decent and highend hotels.
[b]Vulnerable Targets to your Address[/b]
Sometimes knowing someone's real name can easily lead to an address if they have an unusual name. But in many cases simply knowing your real name isn't enough for a SB to find your address. Especially if you never tell the exact city you leave in. I always tell the SBs I live in a city a few towns over from where I actually live. This is usually enough to slowdown a "curious" SB. But it's not enough to stop a psycho / scammer SB, so it's important to secure these targets:
Car insurance and registration. This gets overlooked a lot but this is one of the prime targets for a SB to find out your real name and address. So put your insurance, registration, and all CCs in a LOCKED arm-rest or gloved compartment. If you don't have one which has locks, then put these items in your trunk hidden by your spare tire and jack. A girl left unattended will snoop through compartments, and visors. And if you hide them under your seat, they could slide out.
Car GPS. If your car has a GPS, make sure you somehow hide or disable any sensitive saved addresses. She could inadvertently see your home or family member's address when you're using the GPS to find the dinner location for the date.
Facebook. If the SB finds out your real name, then she might be able to use Facebook to find out the city you live in, wife's name, workplace and etc. If you're active on Facebook, you should change your profile to a picture that doesn't contain your face. This way she won't recognize you in the search results.
Business Cards. Make sure you clear your wallet of not only your business cards but business cards of your close associates. You don't want a psycho SB contacting them to get to you.
Smart Phone. Some of us use our regular smartsphone (with GV) instead of a specific bat phone. If you do this, then you must make sure you have the screen set to lock after a minute of inactivity. This way the SB can't thumb through your contacts and addresses.
[b]Opposition Research[/b]
Sometimes a best defense is a good offense. Try to find out her real identity as well and even run a background check if it's someone you see regularly. This way if she starts stepping out of line, you can warn her that you know XYZ about her. SDs usually have way more to lose than a SB from exposure, but there's still a stigma with young women seeing much older men (especially for money!) and if she has a boyfriend / husband / lives with mom then she probably would not want the relationship known.
Having said all of that. Unlike some, I actually will partially break my cover (my real name) to a SB I trust. Mainly because if you see someone long enough and do a variety of activities, you're bound to slip up on something. It's pretty much inevitable. So I try to gather as much intel as possible early on, so there's mutually assured destruction with long-term SBs. However with short-term and "hook-up" SBs, I NEVER break cover and always secure soft targets. It's why I honestly get just exhausted seeing multiple SBs, it's a lot of work. Because if you get lazy or sloppy, you'll get burned.
Just remember Heinlein's Law: "Free sex is invariably the most expensive kind."
[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1676375][b]Vulnerable Targets to your Real Name[/b]
Hotel bills. Particularly if you're staying in a somewhat nice hotel, they require you to provide your real name and identification. Especially with overnighters you have to be careful that the SB doesn't see the hotel bill lying around (or in the TV!) and doesn't talk to the front desk. I honestly would like to know how to secure hotel visits because I honestly don't know the best way and it's why I tend to stay in low-end hotels that make it easier to be anonymous, but the girls aren't exactly thrilled to be there. So I'd love to hear some input on protecting your identity at decent and highend hotels.[/QUOTE]I reported a while back, that once, when with a SB I had spent considerable time with, I checked out the hotel early, she stayed. I made sure to pick up the receipt on the way out. When she came down for breakfast, they ran her down and gave her a copy of bill. If I had known better I would have called and got somebody fired. At that point, she had all my info. In that case it was cool, but later when I had drama with her, I had to play my cards differently because she had my info.
Secondly, with many of the hotels, when you check in. Right before you get the key, let them know you want to change the name on the reservation. If they ask why, you can say, I prefer to have a pseudo when I stay at hotels. Or you can say, I got the room for a friend and want their name on it and not mine. I've even been proactive at check-in, saying I'm getting this room for my friend, but all expenses will be on my card. So I'm going to check-in, give you my card for incidentals and give him / her the key. Most will do it, I had one Hilton that would not do it. This is double effective if you are using Hotwire, because if they slide the bill under the door, it will have the fake name and some general address associated with Hotwire. Many hotels lately have not been sliding the Hotwire bills under the door if you don't have room service.
The most full-proof way, especially with someone you have seen on the regular, is to give her the money and have her get the room. The good ones will offer this upfront.
[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1676375][b]Vulnerable Targets to your Address[/b]
Car insurance and registration. This gets overlooked a lot but this is one of the prime targets for a SB to find out your real name and address. So put your insurance, registration, and all CCs in a LOCKED arm-rest or gloved compartment. If you don't have one which has locks, then put these items in your trunk hidden by your spare tire and jack. A girl left unattended will snoop through compartments, and visors. And if you hide them under your seat, they could slide out.[/QUOTE]This is a good one, I completely forgot about the registration. That may be how she got my info. I'll keep that thing locked for now on.
[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1676375][b]Opposition Research[/b]
Because if you get lazy or sloppy, you'll get burned.[/QUOTE]I can't repeat this enough, no matter what you are doing, what you reveal or don't reveal. Don't get lazy or sloppy. As much as it's a waste, I only buy condoms on the way to the hotel. If they only have what I want in some large box, I buy it and just throw all the extras away. Why try to save them or save the $10 difference, or waste time and gas driving around to find a box with just 3 condoms. I ask myself, "if I got caught because I was trying to not be wasteful or save money and kept the big box of condoms around, at that point would I pay $10 to make all my problems go away"? Of course I would, so why wait. Just pay the extra $10 upfront. There is a cost to be in this game, spend the extra to be discreet, go to the nicer restaurants, get the nicer hotels, order room service, watch movies in the room, pay a little extra so that they can be picked up and dropped off by a cab or car service. In the end, the extra money is just a way to save you headache down the road. In this community, sloppy is only good if she's giving you a sloppy gagging BJ.
BigTigg
On that note, if anyone is on SD4ME and into older (40+) black women, PM me and I'll give you her profile name, so you can avoid her.
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1675361]We firmly believe in outing bad babies here, as long as they are truly bad, and not just pissing you off at the moment, so please do share her profile # or site name.
Scott[/QUOTE]
I have an overnight with MsSuccessful this week. This will be the first time that I can remember that the first Tiggabounce happened in conjunction with an overnight. However, things seem to be moving right along. And the time we spent together last week, shows that there are good things ahead. We'll be exchanging STD tests that night, because she has no desire to deal with condoms. She's definitely moved into the #1 spot. Actually she's primarily the only one I'm dealing with as I've taken a bit of a break after the crazy MILF.
MxOxyMoron, contacted me today. She's waiting for my return and ready whenever I am to get back started again.
I have a white, short, curvy 29 year old in Cali from SD4Me, who has struck up communication and I'll hit that at some point. Not soon, but it's good to have it out there. She's been sending me some great pics, g-rated up to XXX-rated. So for now that's cool.
There is the 30 year old white and blonde, slim with curves, former college athlete that I've been communicating with from SD4Me. She's moving real slow, but she is very pretty, so I'm willing to take my time with her. Not sure if it's going to go anywhere, but we'll see.
I'm moving on to my workout for this morning, I got to get ready for MsSuccessful, she's already warned me that I might not be able to keep up, what a challenge!
BigTigg
" give her the money and have her get the room. The good ones will offer this upfront."
My ATF HCG ex SB was extremely organized and liked making all the arrangements. She did all the hotel reservations and paid up front. She never once asked for the money. I included the hotel costs in my sugar donation. I miss her terribly.
Re: anonymity, I have found that college girls or grads want to know about you and it is very difficult to keep your info secret. Nando 1s just want to be paid and move on down the road. If you want or have developed a relationship with these girls they will know who you are. Even well bred girls can be nuts but with escorts, strippers, and Nando 1s masquerading as SBs anonymity is a must.
I am working the boards and am having a hard time of it.
Last week I reported on my activity.
SB #1
I am giving another try. She is a sure thing although frustrating. She is just not loving enough for my liking, so I am prospecting and will keep her on until I find a replacement. The number 1 thing I am looking for is engaged sex PERIOD! These girls must realize that or hit the road. I have a wife who's job is to use sex as a weapon. I don't need a SB who is getting paid to do the same. Am I wrong here? While I want my partner to enjoy herself she at least needs to act like she does. This must be written in a "how to SB manual " somewhere when these girls are trying to learn how to do this.
SA Pot #1
Is gone. I was very detailed about what I wanted and it scared her off. I learned that I need to be softer in easing them into it.
New SB Pot # 2
Is a MILF 26 yr old from SDFM. We have a date lined up and she is down for an overnight if everything goes well. She is a 8/7/8 so far from her pics. She is a size 8 and a little full figured but I will try her out this weekend. I am going to try a lowball bid on her. I need to emulate Big Tigg more with his economic style.
Longshot Pot #3.
Is a drop dead gorgeous SA single mother in early 20s. I mean Christy Brinkley looks. I don't expect to be able to get her. Every guy in her area will be all over her. But we'll see what happens. She is a single mother which knocks her down ion the standings a little bit. Her availability will be more difficult working around sitters and all that bull shit. She is a 10/10? She has got to have an attitude. I also think she will be GPS and she will get the big bucks if Mr Dot Com is looking.
AM Pot # 1
Is still a pen pal. She lives 1 1/2 hours away and has an impossible schedule so I am doubtful we will consummate the deal. But as long as she is talking she is a pot.
AM Pot #2
Is another MILF who is 1 1/2 hours away with an impossible schedule, so she is unlikely to pan out. But same deal.
People have said it before but AM sucks!
To answer Cmdr's question, my ATF stopped accepting cash donations after about 5 months, saying "I don't it to be about money with us." And yes, I would consider her a girlfriend, which lasted for about another year after the donations ceased. As Dickens once wrote,"it was the best of times; it was the worst of times" but I wouldn't trade the experience for anything.
[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1676675]I am working the boards and am having a hard time of it.
Last week I reported on my activity.
SB #1
I am giving another try. She is a sure thing although frustrating. She is just not loving enough for my liking, so I am prospecting and will keep her on until I find a replacement. The number 1 thing I am looking for is engaged sex PERIOD! These girls must realize that or hit the road. I have a wife who's job is to use sex as a weapon. I don't need a SB who is getting paid to do the same. Am I wrong here? While I want my partner to enjoy herself she at least needs to act like she does. This must be written in a "how to SB manual " somewhere when these girls are trying to learn how to do this.
SA Pot #1
Is gone. I was very detailed about what I wanted and it scared her off. I learned that I need to be softer in easing them into it.
New SB Pot # 2
Is a MILF 26 yr old from SDFM. We have a date lined up and she is down for an overnight if everything goes well. She is a 8/7/8 so far from her pics. She is a size 8 and a little full figured but I will try her out this weekend. I am going to try a lowball bid on her. I need to emulate Big Tigg more with his economic style.
Longshot Pot #3.
Is a drop dead gorgeous SA single mother in early 20s. I mean Christy Brinkley looks. I don't expect to be able to get her. Every guy in her area will be all over her. But we'll see what happens. She is a single mother which knocks her down ion the standings a little bit. Her availability will be more difficult working around sitters and all that bull shit. She is a 10/10? She has got to have an attitude. I also think she will be GPS and she will get the big bucks if Mr Dot Com is looking.[/QUOTE]SB #1.
Work that garden tool! Be like the Borg "You will be penetrated. Resistance is futile." I'd work her hard in all three holes. Try everything I've ever wanted to try on a woman. Stop trying to please her and use her for your pleasure. Make her your personal sex toy. ATM and face fuck her until the the mascara runs down her face and then cum down her throat. Leave her looking looking like a rag doll! I'm telling you man. You want a reaction. Better go HAM on her ass!
SA Pot #2 Better she rolled out. Why you going to pay and not get exactly what you want? Let the garden tool find another sucker or join match dot com. Make these garden tools put some work in. Like one of my SB's told me: You want small talk. I ain't got time for it. Get a girlfriend. As she puts her cig out gets on her knees and starts going down on me.
Longshot Pot #3. I happen to specialize in MILF's. The child care factor is a pain. But it is even more rewarding because often you are one of the few willing to put up with her shit. Low ball the garden tool. And don't feel bad about doing it. Remember if she was doing just fine and she had a man in her life taking care of business she wouldn't be on a mother fucking sugar daddy site ready to take your splooge all over her face. Get her into the FC. Get those panties on the floor. Bend her over. Grab a handful of hair and just go HAM on her ass.
Good balls deep in that ass and Prosper!
SubCmdr Out!
[QUOTE=Magic Rat;1676985]To answer Cmdr's question, my ATF stopped accepting cash donations after about 5 months, saying "I don't it to be about money with us." And yes, I would consider her a girlfriend, which lasted for about another year after the donations ceased. As Dickens once wrote,"it was the best of times; it was the worst of times" but I wouldn't trade the experience for anything.[/QUOTE]I can't blame you. I have the same thing with a gorgeous college cutie, still have her for a bit over a year now and after a few month she said the same. Your cash is no good. Your company is. And if it is ok with you I will take the occasional piece of SD 'meat' to get the cash I need to pay tuition. And you can always reject my choice of sd 'meat'
Perhaps it is because I am wearing reading glasses. But I do read profiles of pot's.
So I get into this email exchange, sounds very good. Then after about 12 or so long emails she mentions. You are married right? To which I reply. Yes and she knows and fill in some more details about who much time she can get from me. Which being self employed is very generous.
Then at a sudden like a leaf in the wind she starts blasting me. That I can never be good enough for her. That se can't play the #2 position and she deserves better.
Now is it common that pots don't read my profile.
How many of you mention you are attached? (which I mentioned even the times I was not, for safety reasons)
Commander, you are too much 1 I love it!
It's the slap in the face I needed. What the hell am I worried about being Mr. Nice guy for? I'm worried about GF relations when I should be worrying about which hole to penetrate.
Aye aye Sir! Damn the Torpedoes and dive deep!
Fred the Moor
" I will take the occasional piece of SD 'meat' to get the cash I need to pay tuition " euroincincy..
Wow Wow Wow!
I just found out an interesting fact that points out the pitfalls of being a SD. For those of you who have been around a long while and remember my 1 1/2 year "love" affair with my ATF HCB and heard me moon about our "monogamous " relationship. She was banging 3 or 4 of us, some married and some not. We each thought we were THE one and only. Each felt special and was in " love " Each was floored when it all came out. Some were angry. This is not a victimless hobby.
The bottom line is this. These SBs are often banging multiple guys and playing them for fools (calling us SD meat) , tapping many different sugar bowls. So we are sharing spit and semen with others while our babies are dancing off to the bank. If you don't care, then no harm no foul. Some of us are doing the same thing playing multiple girls. But the few who like to be special be on notice that things are not often what they seem. Euro's freebie (to him) is banging other guys for the money. So like I said above about Hos. These multifuckers are practicing Pros, perhaps falling under the definition UTR Pro . They are just low volume prostitutes , that's all .
[QUOTE=EuroInCincy;1677432]I can't blame you. I have the same thing with a gorgeous college cutie, still have her for a bit over a year now and after a few month she said the same. Your cash is no good. Your company is. And if it is ok with you I will take the occasional piece of SD 'meat' to get the cash I need to pay tuition. And you can always reject my choice of sd 'meat'[/QUOTE]I truly believe my ATF was monogamous. I too am married and she did read my profile and knew this fact from Day 1. Interestingly, it ended when she implied she wanted more than our occasional meetings, but did not want to ruin my marriage.
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1677741]" I will take the occasional piece of SD 'meat' to get the cash I need to pay tuition " euroincincy.
Wow Wow Wow!
I just found out an interesting fact that points out the pitfalls of being a SD. For those of you who have been around a long while and remember my 1 1/2 year "love" affair with my ATF HCB and heard me moon about our "monogamous " relationship. She was banging 3 or 4 of us, some married and some not. We each thought we were THE one and only.
They are just low volume prostitutes, that's all.[/QUOTE]Why a pitfall. See it as an advantage. Don't take it too serious. Relax. The point is many SB's need a certain amount of cash, or want a certain amount of cash. (like in this case, going to college and not having a college debt later. If you provide all. Sure you can demand her to be just yours. If not. Just accept it and enjoy the time you have with her. Who knows what your wife is doing while you are with the SB.
Hell I just started on SA again many whom I rejected 6 months ago (because they hd GPS) are emailing me to see if my original offer (lower than they asked) is still available. To which I reply. Buzzzzzzzzzz nope it WAS then. Now it is 51% of then. And if you don't accept it next time you ask it is even lower.
There are many fishes in the ocean.
[QUOTE=Magic Rat;1676985]To answer Cmdr's question, my ATF stopped accepting cash donations after about 5 months, saying "I don't it to be about money with us." And yes, I would consider her a girlfriend, which lasted for about another year after the donations ceased. As Dickens once wrote,"it was the best of times; it was the worst of times" but I wouldn't trade the experience for anything.[/QUOTE]I don't mind paying her. She doesn't want much, and it keeps things on the terms both of us seem to want, a simply no strings attached, just for sex, relationship. I have a wife who gives me the other things I need, and she has a boyfriend who gives [I]her [/I]the other things [I]she [/I]needs.
I don't need a girlfriend, and she doesn't need another boyfriend.
[noparse]/[/noparse]z
[QUOTE=Hernando;1677741]I just found out an interesting fact that points out the pitfalls of being a SD. For those of you who have been around a long while and remember my 1 1/2 year "love" affair with my ATF HCB and heard me moon about our "monogamous " relationship. She was banging 3 or 4 of us, some married and some not. We each thought we were THE one and only. Each felt special and was in " love " Each was floored when it all came out. Some were angry. This is not a victimless hobby.[/QUOTE]How did you discover the other guys?
[QUOTE=Spitfire;1678096]How did you discover the other guys?[/QUOTE]Try just being honest. Most of these girls don't want to be girlfriends. And they like playing around. Just like the guys
[QUOTE=EuroInCincy;1677436]How many of you mention you are attached? (which I mentioned even the times I was not, for safety reasons)[/QUOTE]On SA my profile says I'm married, on SD4M it says I'm divorced. I get more responses on SD4M. Not sure if it's related.
Regardless even on SD4M, I mention I'm attached in conversations. However after my psycho experience last fall, I now ease in with the disclosure that I'm married. There's Nando1s out there, which target married guys or at the very least quick to make threats to married guys. So now, once I have a feeling she's not a Nando1, then I'll disclose I'm married when we get into the nitty gritty of discussing an arrangement. There's just no way I can pretend to be a single guy with my rigid schedule and I need the SB I'm with to actively be discreet (not wearing strong perfume, not leaving stuff in my car, not calling at certain hours, and etc).
But yes, some girls won't see married guys (or rather guys who are upfront that they're married, LOL). So yes your pool to fish in is slightly smaller. But there's PLENTY of girls who will see married guys (some prefer it) , so it's not a big deal. Just watch out for psychos.
After a bad stretch over the past month or so, I honestly I thought I was going to lay low for a bit. I let my SA membership expire and I pretty much stopped sending out messages on SD4M except for a few here and there. The Caretaker SB was still in the wind and my Backseat SB rejected my birthcontrol proposal (turns out she was already on the pill, but she still won't let me finish inside.)
Things were looking grim until.
[b]UTR Redhead[/b]
She contacted me and after a few conversations she was very flirty. She definitely liked role-playing the whole "Daddy","Baby" thing. She was 19 and maybe about a 6-ish on looks. 7-ish on face. She wanted a Long-Term arrangement but was eager to meetup quickly. After I met up with her, she had a pretty sad story to tell and it was pretty clear she was a UTR girl basically on the verge going full-pro. She let it slip in conversations that she hooked up with guys before for money. We then had a romp in my car and it was fantastic! Way more passionate and intense than the Backseat SB I had been seeing for months. This girl not only knew what she was doing, but she really got into it. Again, great stuff. Unfortunately, after talking with her further it was clear she was a UTR [i]and[/i] Nando1. Nice girl but still a Nando1. She's not in school, doesn't work, and is a runaway living with her ex-boyfriend's sister. She has a lot of baggage, so even though the sex was fantastic and much needed, the risk of drama was too high and I would never trust her knowing my real name. So I'm pulling back from her and basically going to treat her like an escort. I might call her every new moon if I have an itch that needs scratching, but I'll always be in deep cover, in every sense of the word.
[b]College Athlete SB[/b]
Now this is the girl that pulled me back in. Deep down I think both Hernando and I desire a long-term SB relationship with one girl instead of multi-fucking SBs. However we're constantly conflicted because finding a viable long-term SB is very difficult and requires a certain perseverance and luck, so we keep sea-sawing on what we want. Well after all the recent frustrations, I finally struck gold. I'm hitting it off with a girl who is a certified 9 or 10. I'm calling her Collegiate Athlete SB because well she's an athlete for one of the major sports in her university. I got extremely lucky because I had been writing direct messages to girls on the site, but something about her made me take a softer tone. Apparently just about all the guys contacting her were being very direct and aggressive, so I stood out. Even though her pictures were sexy as hell, she's actually a very serious student and focused, so it probably threw off a lot of guys in their approach.
Anyway, we started texting each other and she basically meets all my checklists. She works, full-time student, she likes txting, and she doesn't live too far away. And with her being a serious athlete, she takes care of her body, eats healthy, and isn't into some of the "substances" that many girls her age are into. And best of all, her allowance is reasonable. It actually hasn't been discussed as an allowance, but simply the expenses she needs to cover. She has no GPS and is simply looking to have her basic expenses covered, so she doesn't have to stress out about just making ends meet and can focus on school and sports.
This girl is basically what I was pushing my ex-ATF to be. But my ex-ATF never managed to enroll in school and eventually went back to being a waitress at a strip club.
With the Collegiate Athlete SB I already bought her a school book she needed to study for a test this week. Even though we haven't gone to the FC or anything yet. But I wanted to plant my flag on her and it seemed to work because she texts me around the clock just talking about random things and all I did was buy her a book.
The one caveat is that we haven't actually met yet. This weekend we'll officially get together. But I'm not too worried. Since I bought her the book, I know all her real info, her school, and etc. Yes on these forums we've spoken about not giving gifts at M&G, and I gave a gift BEFORE the M&G. But I was fine with buying the book even if I never got anything in return, plus by buying the book I found out her real info and gained some trust. I'm willing to roll the dice with this girl and break a few of the rules, if I have a stable hard-working super hot HYCB who has modest needs.
That said, I am putting the cart before the horse on one crucial area. I have no idea of her performance in the FC or how eager she is to go. She gave indications that she definitely understands a mutual beneficial arrangement and it's not just about arm candy and companionship. But we haven't gotten into the dirty details yet about it. She's a true SB, so I want ease into it. If I come on too strong initially I could blow the whole thing up.
So after this weekend, we'll find out if my pre-investments and efforts were worth it or if I jumped the gun. But if it does work with this girl, I'm kicking the Backseat SB to the curb (she was always distant toward me anyway) and just focus on the Collegiate Athlete.
I was on the verge of taking a long sabbatical from the sugar bowl, but I'm a believer again.
LOL gosh so much fun. Got contacted by one on sSA. After a few emails. She suggested $$$$ for a visit. Replied nah too much perhaps over the long term. Next day she texted what about $$1/2. Nah first time MAX is $. And a quick ok.
So you see start low. Stay low until they prove they are worth more.
[quote]I'm willing to roll the dice with this girl and break a few of the rules, if I have a stable hard-working super hot HYCB who has modest needs. JG Smith.[/quote]The holy grail! Stable, hard working, modest needs.
Almost impossible, but it happens. Congratulations JG Hang on to her if she turns out to be what you think she is.
My current HCB did not go to SB school or if she did she didn't pay attention and is difficult to manage the way I want her to be. She is very pretty and soft spoken. But, she has weird attitudes towards sex, too much like a bitchy wife or long term GF. And she is beginning to cancel appointments because she doesn't feel good. So Sorry but don't cancel on me at the last minute. I'm not that flexible. I have an appointment with her possible replacement this weekend, so we shall see. In this biz there re two certainties. Sex and allowance. If either of the twain not meet then go to Match dot com and get a IRL boyfriend. Then you can have bad days and use sex as a weapon.
" Most of these girls don't want to be girlfriends. And they like playing around. Just like the guys " Hollywood Guy
" you can demand her to be just yours. If not. Just accept it and enjoy the time you have with her." Euro
A real life scenario :
SB "dates " multiple guys one or two nights / week each, disguising this fact from each SD.
Each guy thinks (and cares) that he is the one and only. She is THAT good
SD " A" is single and thinks she is his real life girlfriend and get's suspicious of her movements
He hires a Private Eye
PI follows her and writes a report on each and every SD she saw, including each guy's personal information. Family members, financials, business, etc.
Enraged SD "A" calls wife of each with the news.
Wife goes ape shit.
So your SB who is a carefree multifucker just like us, unbeknownst to her and us, is causing the outing of all parties involved. She doesn't even have to know who you are, the PI will find all of it out.
C'mon Hernando don't blame the SB blame the SD who did not think with his real brain.
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1678792]"
SD " A" is single and thinks she is his real life girlfriend and get's suspicious of her movements
He hires a Private Eye
PI follows her and writes a report on each and every SD she saw, including each guy's personal information. Family members, financials, business, etc.
Enraged SD "A" calls wife of each with the news.
Wife goes ape shit.
So your SB who is a carefree multifucker just like us, unbeknownst to her and us, is causing the outing of all parties involved. She doesn't even have to know who you are, the PI will find all of it out.[/QUOTE]Who hired the PI?
Who is the one thinking he is the ONLY prince charming?
Duhhhhh Enraged SD "A".
So lets educate SD "A" to act like a SD and not a love sick high school kid.
Guys I think I got a big problem. Remember in an earlier report that I told you I went on a meet and greet and dinner with a crazy one. And when I stepped away from the table she signed my name and got a look at my credit card. Huge mistake. I fucked up big time on this one.
Well she appears to be totally batshit crazy. She had stitches on her wrists like someone who had attempted suicide. After the aborted M&G where she wanted me to put her up in a nice hotel for the weekend, just leave her there, of course we did not do anything. I left and I thought it was on good terms never got into it with her never insulted her. But I could see in her crazy mind. She was pissed. She was not able to scam me for more than drinks and dinner. I immediately canceled my card as lost or stolen. And mentioned lost credit card to the warden in passing.
So after that she sent me emails, texts, tried calling me and sending me messages through SA. I reported her to SA for her antics and they booted her from the site. I blocked her on Google Voice. Then I did not hear anything for a while. But I was worried that she had my full name. Then a week later she sends me this email saying that she has filed a police report and that my family and me are in the hands of the police. Fucking crazy!
At almost the same moment. I get this message from one of the people I work with that he received this email from a person that used to work at our same previous company asking how to find me. He did not know the person asking about me so he asked me about it and I said I don't know him and just don't respond to it. The eerie thing about it is the person asking was looking me up on linkded in and had the same last name as the crazy *****. I shut down my linked in account. It had old stuff on it.
Then I heard nothing for about a week. And then today. I come home and there is a registered letter notice for me to pick up at the post office. And a voice message from a woman calling for myself or my wife. She knows my wifes and mine first and last name. Just says to call back no message. It is a number from an area code in the same city where I met the crazy *****. No one was home so I called the number via Google Voice and an old lady answered and I asked for the person asking for me. She told me it must be her daughter and gave me her name. She was not home now. I looked her up on PIPL and it had as one of her aliases the name of the crazy *****!
I immediately did a call block on my home phone for both numbers. Guys I am really spooked on this one. And I did not even do anything.
I think I need to do a prep story for the warden in case this ***** gets through. Warden knows that I was out late that night. Told her I was with clients. I think what I will tell her is "that there was this weird woman there that was flirting with one of the other guys and they got into and argument. I think she was a prostitute. But they ended up getting into an argument when she propositioned him for money. At that point she stormed off and we just laughed it off. But now this guy is getting stalked by this woman. And he is freaking out. You know I wonder if this is who stole my credit card? Because this was at about the same time that my card was lost." Do you think that cover story will hold?
What do you guys think? I am really spooked on this one. This may be serious problems. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If you need to PM please do.
Man I had not even done anything.
Revvo
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1678792]" Most of these girls don't want to be girlfriends. And they like playing around. Just like the guys " Hollywood Guy
" you can demand her to be just yours. If not. Just accept it and enjoy the time you have with her." Euro
A real life scenario :
SB "dates " multiple guys one or two nights / week each, disguising this fact from each SD.
Each guy thinks (and cares) that he is the one and only. She is THAT good
SD " A" is single and thinks she is his real life girlfriend and get's suspicious of her movements
He hires a Private Eye
PI follows her and writes a report on each and every SD she saw, including each guy's personal information. Family members, financials, business, etc.
Enraged SD "A" calls wife of each with the news.
Wife goes ape shit.
So your SB who is a carefree multifucker just like us, unbeknownst to her and us, is causing the outing of all parties involved. She doesn't even have to know who you are, the PI will find all of it out.[/QUOTE]Oh SHIT!
SD A is not a man. He is a *****! A completely lame mother fucker that needs to be put out of his misery. He blew everyone else shit up because he couldn't handle his pussy. SD A should have dealt with the pain of his betrayal in private and just moved on instead of messing up everyone else's lives or fun. Wow! What a complete rat!
Nando, you are a better man than I am. SD A needs to be taken care of. He is lucky it wasn't me. Cause I got at a App for that!
SubCmdr Out!
All of my Garden Tools know I'm seeing others and they are too. I asked one to be exclusive and she said no. A interesting reality check for me.
I've have this discussion with all of my regulars. There seems to be a understanding that it is not a naturally exclusive relationship. You can buy pussy. But you can't buy the person. This is because of many factors. The main one is this: We are most likely significantly older than our Garden Tools and probably married. Our Garden Tools often has not given up on that dream for their own lives. They are not going to stop pursuit of that goal just because we are giving them a little cash. Some are honest enough to tell you this straight up. Others will sell you the idea you want.
I know this has been discussed before. But I think the natural structure of the relationship with a Garden Tool does not lend itself to exclusivity. After all if we wanted to be exclusive wouldn't we just keep fucking our wives or SO's? And wouldn't our Garden Tools instead become girlfriends and wives? Can a one sided relationship really work? It has nothing to do with the money. We give them the money in order to get the pussy. After the exchange is complete the reality is that they are free to sell pussy to the next person that comes along.
Unless you are providing for their every need and have them under lock and key, the only time you know your Garden Tool is not fucking someone else is when you have your dick in her. A harsh reality but much more likely to be closer to the truth than thinking she is exclusive to you.
Go balls deep & prosper!
SubCmdr Out
Holy shit Nando! What a disaster and a wake up call for us all. As has been said before this is a risky business, but so is motorcycle riding, parachuting, and rock climbing. My GT #1 is broken and cancelled on me at the last minute last night. We just don't hit it off sexually so it looks like we are on the outs. I have put up with a lot working too hard for the pussy that should be a sure thing. Her replacement is on deck this weekend.
The Rat is a supreme emasculate pussy and demonstrates the worst of humanity. Unfortunately there is no way to find a guy such as this. He should be looking for young boys instead perhaps.
Pot #3
Is an AA HCG 8/8? She is my 1st AA and I am excited. She has a JLo butt and looks like she could give me a run for my money. She is from SA.
Pot #4 and 5.
Are from SDFM and one is a HCB at 7/8? And the other (s) are a pair of lesbians who want some man flesh. Pot is probably too optimistic a term at this stage of the courting. They are probably not real pots until the M&G is scheduled and possibly consummated.
I think your cover will hold. I had to be much more elaborate with mine, so as long as you sell it as the be-wildered victim, you should be fine. Make sure to say you are worried about being targeted too. Be careful using the "prostitute" word. That could set off some bells. There are a number of people who's want to scam you, especially the way this economy is. So you may not have to use that word.
[QUOTE=Revvo;1678805]I think I need to do a prep story for the warden in case this ***** gets through. Warden knows that I was out late that night. Told her I was with clients. I think what I will tell her is "that there was this weird woman there that was flirting with one of the other guys and they got into and argument. I think she was a prostitute. But they ended up getting into an argument when she propositioned him for money. At that point she stormed off and we just laughed it off. But now this guy is getting stalked by this woman. And he is freaking out. You know I wonder if this is who stole my credit card? Because this was at about the same time that my card was lost." Do you think that cover story will hold?[/QUOTE]
MsSuccessful had turned out to be a roaring success. So much so, that I'm going to have to cease talking about her on this board. She should have been on AM instead of a SD site. We are fin full blown affair mode. We've done the Tiggabounce 3 times in the last 3 days. I've been able to get her gifts, but it is nothing SD like. Since she also pays for meals, rooms and other things, drives a car just a nice as mine, has an expense account, and tries to pay for my gas, LOL, I cannot honestly put her in the SB category.
I am working on the stunning one with the DDs. She's only 21 and very inexperienced. She's been ready to do the Tiggabounce, but as you can tell MsSuccessful has had me busy. I've see her 3 times, but the last 2 were very brief. I've given her some funds, to keep her interested. I also stopped by with some Valentine's day goodies. That went over very well. I can't see this being long term, but I've got to hit it a few times for posterity.
All others are basically on hold, so I'm not sure I'll have much exciting to contribute for a while.
BigTigg
Hi guy, from my last post I said I score an AA girl from sd4m (lets call her Lily) in my area, and guess what, I think I struck GOLD.
So she txt me on Tuesday, ask me if I can meet her on Wed evening. I had nothing in plan so I said yes, and that was ALL I HAD TO DO.
She had a female cousin that works at a low cost motel close to her school, so whenever people check out a day early, Lily can use the room for free. So on Wednesday she set up everything and tell me to meet her at the motel. I met her at the parking lot, she bought carryout for me and her. We walk in together and she chat with her cousin for a little and pick up the key (asked if she can get her female cousin in for a 3some but she firmly said no) got in the room, had dinner together, relax for a movie, shower together and hit the main event. After we are done, I asked her how much was the dinner and if I need to take care of the room, she said no, the room is free and dinner didn't cost much. She told me just to give her the $ we agreed on. $ plus. 3 was all I had with me so I gave it all to her. She was very thankful and told me I could stay the nite with her, I told her no because I have to work the next day.
The only bad thing about this girl is she is a one pop wonder. She cums easily (or at least she acts like she is) and she cums 3-4 time during my one pop. She needs a little break everytime she cums so by the time I finish my first pop, is almost an hour. By then she is all tire out and said she can't take it for another hour.
I m planning to see her again this weekend, she said there is a good chance people will check out early on Sunday and we can use the room on late Sunday nite.
My first SB and I got lucky, I guess I will lay low for a bit until I m done with Lily. Thanks for all the info you guys put in here, will never score this AA hottie without the info here. Thanks guys.
Hi guy, from my last post I said I score an AA girl from sd4m (lets call her Lily) in my area, and guess what, I think I struck GOLD.
So she txt me on Tuesday, ask me if I can meet her on Wed evening. I had nothing in plan so I said yes, and that was ALL I HAD TO DO.
She had a female cousin that works at a low cost motel close to her school, so whenever people check out a day early, Lily can use the room for free. So on Wednesday she set up everything and tell me to meet her at the motel. I met her at the parking lot, she bought carryout for me and her. We walk in together and she chat with her cousin for a little and pick up the key (asked if she can get her female cousin in for a 3some but she firmly said no) got in the room, had dinner together, relax for a movie, shower together and hit the main event. After we are done, I asked her how much was the dinner and if she needs help to take care of the room, she said no, the room is free and dinner didn't cost much. She told me just to give her the $ we agreed on. $ plus. 3 was all I had with me so I gave it all to her. She was very thankful and told me I could stay the nite with her, I told her no because I have to work the next day.
The only bad thing about this girl is she is a one pop wonder. She cums easily (or at least she acts like she is) and she cums 3-4 time during my one pop. She needs a little break everytime she cums so by the time I finish my first pop, is almost an hour. By then she is all tire out and said she can't take it for another hour.
I m planning to see her again this weekend, she said there is a good chance people will check out early on Sunday and we can use the room on late Sunday nite.
My first SB and I got lucky, I guess I will lay low for a bit until I m done with Lily. Thanks for all the info you guys put in here, will never score this AA hottie without the info here. Thanks guys.
If we can help just one person score a nutt, then the board has fulfilled it's purpose. LOL.
[QUOTE=RavensFan;1679981]Thanks for all the info you guys put in here, will never score this AA hottie without the info here. Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1679861]MsSuccessful had turned out to be a roaring success. Since she also pays for meals, rooms and other things, drives a car just a nice as mine, has an expense account, and tries to pay for my gas, LOL, I cannot honestly put her in the SB category.
All others are basically on hold, so I'm not sure I'll have much exciting to contribute for a while.
BigTigg[/QUOTE]Good report, hold on to her as long as you can, I've had a few over the years that fit this description that I bailed on after awhile for one reason or another. Though they didn't come from / through the sugar world, in your case as long as she doesn't try to put you on "boyfriend / faithful / exclusive" status ride it as long as you can, haha.
[QUOTE=RavensFan;1679981]She had a female cousin that works at a low cost motel close to her school, so whenever people check out a day early, Lily can use the room for free.[/QUOTE]Are you able to get fresh / clean sheets and towels?
Well the crazy ***** has called my wife back at her work now. Wife was not there but called me to asked me about her. She gave wife two different names already. I asked wife who is it Kimberly or Elissa?
Wife said she does not know. Just left a message with receptionist that she needed to talk to her about Revvo. I said I don't know who it is never heard of either. Don't you think it is strange that there are two different names? She said she does not know.
I can tell she is suspicious. Asked me if there is anything she should know. I said no very nonchalantly. I asked her if she was going to call crazy ***** back. She said I don't know should I. I said I don't know.
That is where it is at now.
She is getting closer. 90% chance shit will hit the fan. I think I have found the one smart crazy criminal on the planet. I am fucked.
Revvo
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1678906]All of my Garden Tools know I'm seeing others and they are too. I asked one to be exclusive and she said no. A interesting reality check for me.
I've have this discussion with all of my regulars. There seems to be a understanding that it is not a naturally exclusive relationship. You can buy pussy. But you can't buy the person. This is because of many factors. The main one is this: We are most likely significantly older than our Garden Tools and probably married. Our Garden Tools often has not given up on that dream for their own lives. They are not going to stop pursuit of that goal just because we are giving them a little cash. Some are honest enough to tell you this straight up. Others will sell you the idea you want.
I know this has been discussed before. But I think the natural structure of the relationship with a Garden Tool does not lend itself to exclusivity. After all if we wanted to be exclusive wouldn't we just keep fucking our wives or SO's? And wouldn't our Garden Tools instead become girlfriends and wives? Can a one sided relationship really work? It has nothing to do with the money. We give them the money in order to get the pussy. After the exchange is complete the reality is that they are free to sell pussy to the next person that comes along.
Unless you are providing for their every need and have them under lock and key, the only time you know your Garden Tool is not fucking someone else is when you have your dick in her. A harsh reality but much more likely to be closer to the truth than thinking she is exclusive to you.
Go balls deep & prosper!
SubCmdr Out[/QUOTE]I believe that everyone should read and memorize this piece of profound advice. Had I known this before would have kept me from being hurt. Hurt in the wallet and heart. LOL. Aloha from Hawaii.
"Well the crazy * has called my wife " Revvo.
I hate to be the voice of doom, but all of us will be exposed if we do this long enough. The problem is that we become addicted to the lifestyle and the high that we get from it. It is much like alcohol or drug addiction. I have it bad and got exposed because I could not stop, or at least tone back to modest exposure.
You should call her (the tool) and inform her that you have told your wife, she is behind you, and will call the police if she bothers you or your wife again.
The other thing you might consider doing is throw yourself at her feet (wife) , confess a little bit, at least about this tool, and beg forgiveness. If she finds out it is better coming from you. Several of us here have gone through that trial.
Good luck Nando
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1680389]Well the crazy * has called my wife back at her work now. Wife was not there but called me to asked me about her. She gave wife two different names already. I asked wife who is it Kimberly or Elissa?
Wife said she does not know. Just left a message with receptionist that she needed to talk to her about Revvo. I said I don't know who it is never heard of either. Don't you think it is strange that there are two different names? She said she does not know.
I can tell she is suspicious. Asked me if there is anything she should know. I said no very nonchalantly. I asked her if she was going to call crazy * back. She said I don't know should I. I said I don't know.
That is where it is at now.
She is getting closer. 90% chance shit will hit the fan. I think I have found the one smart crazy criminal on the planet. I am fucked.
Revvo[/QUOTE]If you know anything about her, then maybe you can use a pressure point of her own against her. For example, is she a single mom in the midst of a custody dispute? If so, you can say "do you really want this coming up?" As I said, just an example, there could be others.
But the best advice I can give you is go to the cops now and lay it out for them. Yes, it will hurt, but it's better than the alternatives in my opinion.