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ok lets see[QUOTE=Dddeecupps]BBW provider here new to the boards but plan on sticking around for some time.. If you like BBW's (not too large here) DDD tits willing to teach[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bigboy Ben]Nope, I've heard (from a very reliable source) that prepaid CC, gift CC, and prepaid cells will NOT be accepted. You must have a regular CC with a permenant address (No P. O. Box address). They charge the CC $5 per ad, but, it's not the money. It's the trail of evidence they're after. They also seem to think that this will stop providers (that's a joke). All this will do is push the "smart ones" to different forms of advertisement. They will catch some of the "dumb ones", but, lets face it sooner or later. (anyone who's stupid enough to post specific sexual acts and the dollar amounts on CL) Show that to the judge and guess what? You say"I didn't post THAT" well, YES you did. (no doubt)
I'm not sure what LE can do with just that info? It's probably just another way for them to find out EXACTLY who's posting these ads. My question is, if a guy (or "pimp") is posting ads for several girls on his CC, can they do anything to him? I'm not sure in that case? I guess it depends on the wording of the ad and if they have a price listed? Maybe someone else knows more about this than me? I'd appreciate any input from someone who knows. I'm just curious.[/QUOTE]If a guy advertises, takes calls, drives, etc (or a lady) for providers his/her charge would be "patronizing prostitution".
I have heard, as others have confirmed that pre-paid cells will work (it's harder for them to tell if a cell is pre-paid because even the largest carriers offer pre-paid services and you can register your pre-paid cell (at least some of them) with an address, etc. if you want online but you just don't have to use your real one) and as RoadWarrior said, I believe you can use a pre-paid CC if you use the right one/go about it the right way. In today's age, it's hard to block someone out of anything that really wants it. The smart ones will figure it out...as someone else said. This is the oldest profession in the world and one that they simply will never drive away. They get smarter, so does everyone else in the hobby; it's all about staying a step ahead and who can keep that one foot in front of the other.
I just haven't bothered with worrying about the new restrictions on the Erotic section yet (A) because luckily I have been doing okay with my regulars and new clients coming from elsewhere (B) I used to turn down more prospects from CL than I accepted because I'm very wary of LE and problem guys so, except for in the beginning, it was never my biggest lead source anyway (C) I imagine that LE is going to be all excited and up to their tricks for a while since the newest guidelines have been implemented and I prefer to avoid the drama...so I can't say from personal experience where to go to get what to get around the new rules or what works as opposed to what doesn't but, again, I can say I'm 99.999% sure that it can be, and is, done.
But let's not forget about IP addresses. That's always a way to trace someone...if you aren't doing something about your IP addy, you might consider it (not necessarily you personally but anyone reading this). Food for thought; although, if you are careful about what you put in your ads and how you word them, what services you advertise, etc. there won't be much they can do with just an IP addy (or even a CC/phone) without actually having more than that...other than feed you a bunch of BS to make you cave.
And always keep in mind that if you do get charged with something, sometimes it can be beat in court (DEPENDING on what they have on you; if you were caught in the act; caught saying something that you shouldn't have, etc.) because LE has been known to charge people with little to no real evidence...but they know that a large percentage of people won't know or try to have this done; they'll just either give up info to get it dropped or cut the best deal they can cut and call it a day instead of pushing it to the limit to have it dropped.
P.S. - generally in court, the first deal isn't the best one. They usually (especially with small stuff) want to get you on out the door and oftentimes come back with a better deal later. A lot of things aren't worth an actual trial to the state (which costs them time and money...as it does every time you come back to court) so eventually they usually offer better deals later in the court process before it gets to trial. (Again, this can vary according to the charge, your previous history, etc. (and we're def not talking murder or anything that serious) but it's more often true than not and if you do get stuck with something one day and know that you have to take some sort of deal you may want to consider this and if you don't care for the first offer, see what the next one will be (again, I won't tell you that you'll ALWAYS get a better deal so to an extent it can be a crap shoot but, again, that is USUALLY the case).
If you know/understand the system, you can somewhat work it. If it's your first charge, you can usually get it expunged after staying out of trouble for the following year.)
Have a great one gents!
EP
[QUOTE=EroticPleasure]If a guy advertises, takes calls, drives, etc (or a lady) for providers his/her charge would be "patronizing prostitution".
I have heard, as others have confirmed that pre-paid cells will work (it's harder for them to tell if a cell is pre-paid because even the largest carriers offer pre-paid services and you can register your pre-paid cell (at least some of them) with an address, etc. if you want online but you just don't have to use your real one) and as RoadWarrior said, I believe you can use a pre-paid CC if you use the right one/go about it the right way. In today's age, it's hard to block someone out of anything that really wants it. The smart ones will figure it out...as someone else said. This is the oldest profession in the world and one that they simply will never drive away. They get smarter, so does everyone else in the hobby; it's all about staying a step ahead and who can keep that one foot in front of the other.
I just haven't bothered with worrying about the new restrictions on the Erotic section yet (A) because luckily I have been doing okay with my regulars and new clients coming from elsewhere (B) I used to turn down more prospects from CL than I accepted because I'm very wary of LE and problem guys so, except for in the beginning, it was never my biggest lead source anyway (C) I imagine that LE is going to be all excited and up to their tricks for a while since the newest guidelines have been implemented and I prefer to avoid the drama...so I can't say from personal experience where to go to get what to get around the new rules or what works as opposed to what doesn't but, again, I can say I'm 99.999% sure that it can be, and is, done.
But let's not forget about IP addresses. That's always a way to trace someone...if you aren't doing something about your IP addy, you might consider it (not necessarily you personally but anyone reading this). Food for thought; although, if you are careful about what you put in your ads and how you word them, what services you advertise, etc. there won't be much they can do with just an IP addy (or even a CC/phone) without actually having more than that...other than feed you a bunch of BS to make you cave.
And always keep in mind that if you do get charged with something, sometimes it can be beat in court (DEPENDING on what they have on you; if you were caught in the act; caught saying something that you shouldn't have, etc.) because LE has been known to charge people with little to no real evidence...but they know that a large percentage of people won't know or try to have this done; they'll just either give up info to get it dropped or cut the best deal they can cut and call it a day instead of pushing it to the limit to have it dropped.
P.S. - generally in court, the first deal isn't the best one. They usually (especially with small stuff) want to get you on out the door and oftentimes come back with a better deal later. A lot of things aren't worth an actual trial to the state (which costs them time and money...as it does every time you come back to court) so eventually they usually offer better deals later in the court process before it gets to trial. (Again, this can vary according to the charge, your previous history, etc. (and we're def not talking murder or anything that serious) but it's more often true than not and if you do get stuck with something one day and know that you have to take some sort of deal you may want to consider this and if you don't care for the first offer, see what the next one will be (again, I won't tell you that you'll ALWAYS get a better deal so to an extent it can be a crap shoot but, again, that is USUALLY the case).
If you know/understand the system, you can somewhat work it. If it's your first charge, you can usually get it expunged after staying out of trouble for the following year.)
Have a great one gents!
EP[/QUOTE]This is so true. Also usually when he/she gets busted they 95% of the time flip and work for leo. The citation gets torn up and never even makes it to the courts. Several several john's do this because they don't have to go home and worry about the wife finding out. On 12/03/08 I know of 5 lady's who were set up by thier regulars or "regular" I should say. 1 "regular" guy who visited these lady's often, nailed 4 of them to get his citation torn up. The other lady was set up by an actual undercover. NOW, LOL. We have lady's taking the same deal to catch the john's. I know 2 of these lady's took the deal. Or I'm told from a very good source they did. It's a game called tag.
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[QUOTE=WilsonsWay]This is so true. Also usually when he/she gets busted they 95% of the time flip and work for leo. The citation gets torn up and never even makes it to the courts. Several several john's do this because they don't have to go home and worry about the wife finding out. On 12/03/08 I know of 5 lady's who were set up by thier regulars or "regular" I should say. 1 "regular" guy who visited these lady's often, nailed 4 of them to get his citation torn up. The other lady was set up by an actual undercover. NOW, LOL. We have lady's taking the same deal to catch the john's. I know 2 of these lady's took the deal. Or I'm told from a very good source they did. It's a game called tag.[/QUOTE]I, too, heard that a couple of providers got busted and took deals to do set-ups. Known providers. I WILL NOT say "who" I heard this was because I have no hard proof other than a reputable source and WILL NOT start any 'rumors' in the event it isn't true. Although I take the words of my reputable sources as pretty reliable.
I do know they do often ask providers to do set-ups to get rid of the citations. And gents too.
Sorry, I know you guys would like names but I'm not going to get in the middle of this one. Please don't PM me asking; it's not going to happen. If I knew for absolutely certain, it might be a different story but at this point I think it's better to mind my own business (LOL, I know that got some of you) on this one.
I will say though that I know of a couple of very reputable providers who were busted (not recently-except for one in KY that was fairly recent and busted off of Escorts.com) and asked to flip but they refused. Not everyone will flip; some care about their reputation and their clients and want to continue business after it's done so they'd rather just deal with the lightweight consequences (which we're all aware of when we get into this) and move on.
EP
P.S.. If any of my regulars ever do that to me, I promise you will have the Tazmanian Devil on your hands to deal with! I wouldn't do it to you and I do not expect you do it to me. If you get caught for something, be an adult and deal with it properly. Worst case scenario, you get a slap on the wrist (the usual for this type of charge) and get it expunged after a year (depending on your record). Deal with it. We all know the possible consequences in this hobby. If you flip, you can bet you're out of the game because word will spread faster than lighting.
[QUOTE=Bigboy Ben]Hey Aimee,
You're correct (I was wrong)about the pre-paid cell. Those will be accepted for phone numbers, BUT, the pre-paid CC doesn't work. After I saw your post I double checked, and was told this. I misunderstood about the phone. The Credit card MUST be addressed to a permenant residence. No gift or pre-paid cards. The computer will reject it when checking for approval.[/QUOTE]
The Visa gift card from gifttogo.com has the ability for you to register for online verifications. These can be purchased from Walgreen. I did this over the past weekend as I joined one of the review sites so I could see Behind Closed Doors review comments. Most of these sites require Visa or MasterCard, which I don’t have. AX is all that I carry. I tried without registering the card and it was declined. I registered the card via the gifttogo.com site, waited about 1 hour and reapplied and it when right thru. Just remember the address etc., must match on both ends. So if you still want to use CL short for (cops love) you should be able to get there. Or market you abilities here or the other sites.
Check it out [url]http://www.police.nashville.gov/news/media/2008/12/05d.htm[/url]
Be safe fellow mongers
[QUOTE=Sonoman6611]The Visa gift card from gifttogo.com has the ability for you to register for online verifications. These can be purchased from Walgreen. I did this over the past weekend as I joined one of the review sites so I could see Behind Closed Doors review comments. Most of these sites require Visa or MasterCard, which I don’t have. AX is all that I carry. I tried without registering the card and it was declined. I registered the card via the gifttogo.com site, waited about 1 hour and reapplied and it when right thru. Just remember the address etc., must match on both ends. So if you still want to use CL short for (cops love) you should be able to get there. Or market you abilities here or the other sites.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.police.nashville.gov/news/media/2008/12/05d.htm[/url]
All this drama about people getting busted and flipping is hear say at best. Anyone who knows me can ask Kaitlyn, (or many providers in Nashville that I have seen) what is the first thing I take off. It is a 45, why; because they don't make a 46. Being an older gentleman I believe that this hobby is a game, but my life and my personal well being is my responsibility. I learned things during my service between the late 60's to late 70's that made me understand I am responsible for my own protection. Have had some providers not appreciate my personal concern for my well being but many appreciated it. When I lived in NY I had a few and their cohorts think they knew better, some times they just get out of the business. Or at least you never hear from them. Bottom line, be smart, know your limitations, know your surroundings, and most of all don't be intimidated. TN has a Must Issue carry permit, get one and use it before Obama takes it away.
Later
Interesting comments, I’d like to know if providers would "freak out" if one of their regulars walked in with a piece on their hip (I can see an entirely different conversation on a first meeting). I have a permit and carry, but always leave it in the car which has its own set of issues (control of the firearm). Sorry, I don’t buy the size thing, if you know what you are doing 9MM or even a. 380 is enough, just know how to shoot and hit what you aim at (but then maybe I am compensating. LOL). So, if a provider knew that her "friend "might be packing (yes, pun intended) what would she think?
If you walked in and LEO was there, how much would it complicate the issue? Would it require them to identify themselves as soon as they saw the piece and would that preclude anything that would or could be used for prosecution? Interesting thoughts as I wonder how many providers would carry legally and/ or how many have one in the room either way? I don’t think they would need a permit to have one in the room since it was not a public place. But then, what do I know.
[QUOTE=Chuck G]All this drama about people getting busted and flipping is hear say at best. Anyone who knows me can ask Kaitlyn, (or many providers in Nashville that I have seen) what is the first thing I take off. It is a 45, why; because they don't make a 46. Being an older gentleman I believe that this hobby is a game, but my life and my personal well being is my responsibility. I learned things during my service between the late 60's to late 70's that made me understand I am responsible for my own protection. Have had some providers not appreciate my personal concern for my well being but many appreciated it. When I lived in NY I had a few and their cohorts think they knew better, some times they just get out of the business. Or at least you never hear from them. Bottom line, be smart, know your limitations, know your surroundings, and most of all don't be intimidated. TN has a Must Issue carry permit, get one and use it before Obama takes it away.
Later[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EroticPleasure]I, too, heard that a couple of providers got busted and took deals to do set-ups. Known providers. I WILL NOT say "who" I heard this was because I have no hard proof other than a reputable source and WILL NOT start any 'rumors' in the event it isn't true. Although I take the words of my reputable sources as pretty reliable.
I do know they do often ask providers to do set-ups to get rid of the citations. And gents too.
Sorry, I know you guys would like names but I'm not going to get in the middle of this one. Please don't PM me asking; it's not going to happen. If I knew for absolutely certain, it might be a different story but at this point I think it's better to mind my own business (LOL, I know that got some of you) on this one.
I will say though that I know of a couple of very reputable providers who were busted (not recently-except for one in KY that was fairly recent and busted off of Escorts.com) and asked to flip but they refused. Not everyone will flip; some care about their reputation and their clients and want to continue business after it's done so they'd rather just deal with the lightweight consequences (which we're all aware of when we get into this) and move on.
EP
P.S.. If any of my regulars ever do that to me, I promise you will have the Tazmanian Devil on your hands to deal with! I wouldn't do it to you and I do not expect you do it to me. If you get caught for something, be an adult and deal with it properly. Worst case scenario, you get a slap on the wrist (the usual for this type of charge) and get it expunged after a year (depending on your record). Deal with it. We all know the possible consequences in this hobby. If you flip, you can bet you're out of the game because word will spread faster than lighting.[/QUOTE]If you are not here to share info, that would help others ...why did you post at all (" WILL NOT say "who" I heard this was ") and (" I think it's better to mind my own business").
this post was hard to follow...as you typed a lot and said nothing
[QUOTE=Danb Ready]If you are not here to share info, that would help others ...why did you post at all (" WILL NOT say "who" I heard this was ") and (" I think it's better to mind my own business").
this post was hard to follow...as you typed a lot and said nothing[/QUOTE]You know I do share info and I shared a tidbit here, just not the whole meal and I've stated my reasons why. I'm not getting in the middle of that one because at this point, it's just something I've "heard", even though I tend to believe it because of where it came from, so I'm not going to start rumors about specific people, period.
And I said it because someone else said they've heard it too so that was my "ditto, heard the same thing" chime.
Sorry it's not what you wanted but I guess sometimes it's just like that.
EP
[QUOTE=EroticPleasure]You know I do share info and I shared a tidbit here, just not the whole meal and I've stated my reasons why. I'm not getting in the middle of that one because at this point, it's just something I've "heard", even though I tend to believe it because of where it came from, so I'm not going to start rumors about specific people, period.
And I said it because someone else said they've heard it too so that was my "ditto, heard the same thing" chime.
Sorry it's not what you wanted but I guess sometimes it's just like that.
EP[/QUOTE]"What I wanted" was a heads up on who to avoid.
I would NEVER leave you out in the cold like that. If I ever "heard" something that would keep you safe, I would make sure you knew about it.
Thanks
[QUOTE=EroticPleasure]You know I do share info and I shared a tidbit here, just not the whole meal and I've stated my reasons why. I'm not getting in the middle of that one because at this point, it's just something I've "heard", even though I tend to believe it because of where it came from, so I'm not going to start rumors about specific people, period.
And I said it because someone else said they've heard it too so that was my "ditto, heard the same thing" chime.
Sorry it's not what you wanted but I guess sometimes it's just like that.
EP[/QUOTE]If who you "heard it from was wilsonsway, ignore it, I belive he makes it up.
[QUOTE=EroticPleasure]You know I do share info and I shared a tidbit here, just not the whole meal and I've stated my reasons why. I'm not getting in the middle of that one because at this point, it's just something I've "heard", even though I tend to believe it because of where it came from, so I'm not going to start rumors about specific people, period.
And I said it because someone else said they've heard it too so that was my "ditto, heard the same thing" chime.
Sorry it's not what you wanted but I guess sometimes it's just like that.
EP[/QUOTE]
So you have basically told a bunch of hobbyist that providers have taken the bait and are selling out to LEO on their regulars.
But
1) It isn't you of course
2) You won't say who
Sorry, but that is ridiculous. I appreciate your presence in this forum, but posts like these are unacceptable considering the purpose of this forum(for hobbyist to help each other)
~levi