The Rat Trap

In my opinion it's pretty easy to tell who's legit and who is not in regards to posts. But I'm sure a good percentage of all these new guys and some SM's are LEO. Some people on here don't like me but I've never asked for Intel and have provided many legit reviews. I've seen several girls on here as well. Savanna, Michele and a couple other that wish to remain unknown. So I'm skeptical of new folks excessively asking for Intel or posting their ideas on how to make the forum better like this jitsuplayer. From your username I would assume you study BJJ or MMA. What school here in town? I'm a BJJ black belt so if you train in town I'm sure I know you? And he may be legit but seems questionable.

But I know who I can surely trust on here and some of them are ones I've had differences with like: buffguy, veryslowly, pharmaguy, camera and many others.

So there is a wealth of information here that was obtained by many others through hard work and a ton of money and I for one appreciate it.

KC.

Guys, Another reason never to give a provider your handle. Sophia is definitely doing the smart thing because I would do the same if I was her so I have zero issue with her checking dates out. I do the same with providers. But, having a provider look at your posts can also make them form preconceived notions about you that may or may not be true especially for us that bang streetwalkers since there is a negative view about that amongst escorts even though it's the same damn thing. Plus, you don't want them knowing everything you're doing anyways. And for you married guys, remember that the blackmail threat is very real. Not everybody is nice.

Sophia, I am not all directing this towards you, I don't know you at all, not suggesting you do anything like that, just commenting on your post and adding an opinion to the discussion. You may totally disagree and that is perfectly fine with me and I wish you all the best.

[QUOTE=SexySophia;2226553]I often find myself screening a hobbyist posts to see what other providers he has seen and most of the time they are just commenting on other comments and have never really seen or at least reported a provider that I might be able to count on for a reference.

Xoxo.

Sophia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RickyJames1;2227042]Guys, Another reason never to give a provider your handle. Sophia is definitely doing the smart thing because I would do the same if I was her so I have zero issue with her checking dates out. I do the same with providers. But, having a provider look at your posts can also make them form preconceived notions about you that may or may not be true especially for us that bang streetwalkers since there is a negative view about that amongst escorts even though it's the same damn thing. Plus, you don't want them knowing everything you're doing anyways. And for you married guys, remember that the blackmail threat is very real. Not everybody is nice.

Sophia, I am not all directing this towards you, I don't know you at all, not suggesting you do anything like that, just commenting on your post and adding an opinion to the discussion. You may totally disagree and that is perfectly fine with me and I wish you all the best.[/QUOTE]Ricky, I usually don't get into the drama on this post but I have to call you out on this one. I do not believe that a SW is the same as some of the girls on this board, TER or the Naughty site. I would hope that all girls that post here would screen handles to know what there next date is up to. I sure as hell won't see a provider that you have seen, now. If you want to roam the trail and pick up some chicken head that just finished sharing nettles with her junkie friends for a $25 BBBJ fine. But don't then try and take your diseased prick and set up a date with Paige or Jade or Melissa or any other girl that posts here and spread your germs.

There are plenty of girls here that don't plan on making this a life. They are working through tough times. A this goes for any of the mongers that post on the SW thread, stay on the street and don't make this hobby any riskier that it already is.

I have no problem sharing my handle with a new provider and please take a look at my posts and see where I've been. Because that is what I do when I plan on seeing a new provider. I do the same thing on TER, I check the reviews because it has been known for LE to post an add and a fake review in an attempt to snag mongers. Also, it is a great tool to protect yourself. I once saw a monger on TER post about a provider that I was planning on seeing and in his review history it was a mix of female provides and trannies.

Be safe out there.

Not necessarily the SW thing but what type of practices they do with the SW. I don't knock anyone, but you have to admit even though you may be dreaming with a SW or Escort the SW game is much more risky for a million reasons. The SW usually charge less so they are seeing more clients to make the money, therefore higher risk. It is no secret that SW are mostly on the street meds, sometimes which lowers inhibitions to do riskier practices during dreams for that money. Also IV drug use is high amongst SW, theerfore high risk.

So yes the higher risks involved may make some providers not want to see some of the mongers that frequent SW, and it is about safety. It isn't a deal breaker for me but I want do like to see what type of SW they have reviewed and what happens in the dreams to see hoe safe they are. IDC aint no mario coin worth my life or getting something that doesn't go away.

I go to OBT sometimes and talk to these girls and even take food or clothing down to the ones living on the street. I am not knocking them at all. I feel for them, its a dangerous hobby as it is but they are out there on the streets, living off the streets, trying to survive, walking the roughest parts off Orlando. But at the same time if I was a man I wouldn't be picking most of them up to dream with cause it is so risky.

You mention blackmail to married men. I do not think that any advertiser on here is on that type shit. Also by knowing your handle is that going to be the clincher? If blackmail is the driving force behind a meeting I think pics, audio or video would be that. The last piece of evidence would be your usasg handle. That a whole new ball game just trying to prove who the handle is.

It is to each their own. But I think it is very important to know ones handle to see their posts and feel them out. This is part of the reason there is a forum, safety.

Everyone stay safe.

Xoxo.

Paige

[QUOTE=RickyJames1;2227042]Guys, Another reason never to give a provider your handle. Sophia is definitely doing the smart thing because I would do the same if I was her so I have zero issue with her checking dates out. I do the same with providers. But, having a provider look at your posts can also make them form preconceived notions about you that may or may not be true especially for us that bang streetwalkers since there is a negative view about that amongst escorts even though it's the same damn thing. Plus, you don't want them knowing everything you're doing anyways. And for you married guys, remember that the blackmail threat is very real. Not everybody is nice.

Sophia, I am not all directing this towards you, I don't know you at all, not suggesting you do anything like that, just commenting on your post and adding an opinion to the discussion. You may totally disagree and that is perfectly fine with me and I wish you all the best.[/QUOTE].

So I have noticed that there has been some talk on here about the oThER site vs usasg.

Personally I prefer here to interact because it is a more open forum. There has never been a review posted on here that I question like, Have I seen that guy? Or details not been correct. There isn't much to gain by posting fake reviews on here other than being called out and credibility lost. The only downfall to usasg is that the reviews don't come by googling a providers phone number as with the OthER site. But then again that costs money and this is a free forum.

There are some reviews on the oThER site that I have questioned because the details where def not what I do or just didn't seem right. They were positive reviews but I read them and I am like I have never in my life done so and so, and not saying it is something nasty or gross just out of my character to do. T E are is a pay site, guys get free month or something for doing so many reviews. I am not sure of specifics but that is the jist of it. I think alot of guys just write reviews on there to keep there membership free or fee to a minimum.

So this I ask to you mongers, do you prefer to see girl with a lot fews or just a few?

Then of late I see that has been said about girls giving freebies for a good review. I find this ridiculous. Personally I am in this for profit not charity. What do well known regarded providers have to gain really by giving away goodies for a review? Once a girl is reviewed and respected her rep stays good unless she falls off for some reason and then it hard to gain that rep back. It is not anout how many reviews one has, it is more about what her reputation is. What do you guys think about this? Do you think it is a common practice?

I just like to hear others viewpoints sometimes.

Stay safe, Our forum here is a great virtual community, you guys are the best.

Xoxo.

Paige.

[QUOTE=OrlandoJ;2227338]Ricky, I usually don't get into the drama on this post but I have to call you out on this one. I do not believe that a SW is the same as some of the girls on this board, TER or the Naughty site. I would hope that all girls that post here would screen handles to know what there next date is up to. I sure as hell won't see a provider that you have seen, now. If you want to roam the trail and pick up some chicken head that just finished sharing nettles with her junkie friends for a $25 BBBJ fine. But don't then try and take your diseased prick and set up a date with Paige or Jade or Melissa or any other girl that posts here and spread your germs.

There are plenty of girls here that don't plan on making this a life. They are working through tough times. A this goes for any of the mongers that post on the SW thread, stay on the street and don't make this hobby any riskier that it already is.

I have no problem sharing my handle with a new provider and please take a look at my posts and see where I've been. Because that is what I do when I plan on seeing a new provider. I do the same thing on TER, I check the reviews because it has been known for LE to post an add and a fake review in an attempt to snag mongers. Also, it is a great tool to protect yourself. I once saw a monger on TER post about a provider that I was planning on seeing and in his review history it was a mix of female provides and trannies.

Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that a SW and a Escort are totally different things. There is even a divide amongst different level escorts (see Wolf of Wall street) HOWEVER saying you wouldn't see a provider that someone who has seen a SW or how can someone see a SW then go see Paige or whoever. That's ludicrous my friend. First off if you bang a SW or escort bare back them your an idiot. Condom protected sex is 100% safe in terms of STDs including HIV. Never had a documented transmission occurred via that route. And yes sometimes a break occurs or whatever but that's rare. Receiving oral sex without a condom is also no risk and no cases have been documented via that route. So what's your issue? If your barebacking SW's in the ass then sharing heroin needles with them then it may be a problem. If not there is no difference from a SW, a Escort, a stripper or the sexy MILF neighbor of mine who is married to a Doctor, has several kids in private school and who I fuck from time to time while her husband makes money for her to blow.

Also don't assume that some of the escorts you see have not walked the streets in the past either here in Orlando or another city like let's say New York or Baltimore. As a matter of fact I know one that has. I wouldn't call her out but just something to think about.

KC.

[QUOTE=KingCasanova;2227793]I agree with you that a SW and a Escort are totally different things. There is even a divide amongst different level escorts (see Wolf of Wall street) HOWEVER saying you wouldn't see a provider that someone who has seen a SW or how can someone see a SW then go see Paige or whoever. That's ludicrous my friend. First off if you bang a SW or escort bare back them your an idiot. Condom protected sex is 100% safe in terms of STDs including HIV. Never had a documented transmission occurred via that route. And yes sometimes a break occurs or whatever but that's rare. Receiving oral sex without a condom is also no risk and no cases have been documented via that route. So what's your issue? If your barebacking SW's in the ass then sharing heroin needles with them then it may be a problem. If not there is no difference from a SW, a Escort, a stripper or the sexy MILF neighbor of mine who is married to a Doctor, has several kids in private school and who I fuck from time to time while her husband makes money for her to blow.

Also don't assume that some of the escorts you see have not walked the streets in the past either here in Orlando or another city like let's say New York or Baltimore. As a matter of fact I know one that has. I wouldn't call her out but just something to think about.

KC.[/QUOTE]Receiving oral without a condom is very risky. You don't know if someone has an infection or open sores in their mouth. Someone posted awhile ago a link with good Intel about the risk of receiving oral without a condom. I don't remember who posted the info.

BG111.

[QUOTE=BuffGuy111;2227848]Receiving oral without a condom is very risky. You don't know if someone has an infection or open sores in their mouth. Someone posted awhile ago a link with good Intel about the risk of receiving oral without a condom. I don't remember who posted the info.

BG111.[/QUOTE]He insists upon oral without a condom. Otherwise, according to him, a woman does not offer a GFE.

[QUOTE=BuffGuy111;2227848]Receiving oral without a condom is very risky. You don't know if someone has an infection or open sores in their mouth. Someone posted awhile ago a link with good Intel about the risk of receiving oral without a condom. I don't remember who posted the info.

BG111.[/QUOTE]Look at Dr. HHH forum on Medhelp. It's the definitive forum on STD / HIV prevention. And he is the utmost authority on the subject.

I'll post an example below. But it's cut and dry. Any articles that state otherwise are from people with other agendas.

Very worry about HIV exposure.

By Patrick1984, May 25,2014.

Dear Drs Hooks and Handsfield.

It's been 8 weeks since my possible HIV exposure and I have been living in a fear for at least 5 weeks, my life is suffering and hopeless, so I really really need your help! I had a trip to Shanghai, China last month and in there I had an unprotected oral sex with a street worker, she gave me a blow job and I had ejaculation in her mouth (I think the total time my penis in her mouth was less than 2 minutes) but I think she split it (my semen) out right after I did that. Her HIV status was unknown. Then the next day I had a protected vaginal sex with a street worker (she requested to use condom otherwise she wouldn't do it, but her HIV status was unknown also) and I had ejaculation inside her (inside condom actually), but couldn't recall if the condom was broken but I remembered she removed the condom after I pulled out from her and she wiped out the semen on my penis by tissue, I asked her if my semen leaked insider her vaginal (I tried to make sure if the condom was not broken) and she said no. The total time was about 5 minutes. That's all the sexual deals I had, but after those sexual deals I began to have some symptoms such as: Sore Throat (gone in 2 weeks), Body ache (most on my arms, shoulders and back), Swollen lymph gland (I am not really sure about this but whenever I touch my neck, I can feel there is a small bump on the neck and a little bit hurt when touch, also include swallowing but gone in 4 days), Diarrhea (on week 7 after those sexual deals, but only last for 3 days), Skin rash (on week 7 after those sexual deals, small red dots are flat appear on my chest, shoulders and back, not itchy and not a lot actually). But I never have fever and headache at all.

Now my questions are: what is the risk or chance that I could be infected by HIV and do I need to do a HIV test? I am very scared now and my life is totally ruined, so your help is really matter to me! Please help me! Much appreciate!

Best.

Patrick.

Answer:

By Edward W Hook, MD, May 25,2014.

Welcome to the Forum. The exposures you describe did not put you at risk for HIV. No one has ever been shown to acquire HIV from receipt of oral sex and condom protected sex is safe sex. Thus, even if your partner had HIV, there was no risk for infection from the activities that you describe.

The symptoms you describe are some of those which are seen in persons who have recently acquired HIV however these are common symptoms with many causes. When persons have typical symptoms such as yours, less than 1% turn out to have HIV. Given the nature of your exposure, I would not worry.

To address your concerns, I would suggest that you have an HIV test using a 4th generation test for HIV. I suggest this not because I think you have HIV but because I think the assurance of a negative test at this time will help your anxiety. If you had acquired HIV at the time you mention, your test would be positive at this time.

I hope these comments are helpful to you. EWH.

[QUOTE=BuffGuy111;2227848]Receiving oral without a condom is very risky. You don't know if someone has an infection or open sores in their mouth. Someone posted awhile ago a link with good Intel about the risk of receiving oral without a condom. I don't remember who posted the info.

BG111.[/QUOTE]If you find a documented case of HIV acquires through receiving oral I and every expert in the world would love to see it. I did my PHD thesis on the subject so I'm always interested.

To piggy back on this as well.

* the likelihood of a man acquiring HIV from a one time unprotected vaginal sex encounter is 1 in 2000. So that's like having unprotected sex everyday with a HIV infected person for over 5 years before you can expect to get it. That's why one off heterosexual HIV cases are very rare. Most infections are from married men of HIV infected woman acquiring it over long period of time.

* the odds any woman in the US is HIV positive is less than 1%. Sex workers are no different and sometimes even lower due to their level of education on the matter and consistent use of condoms for vaginal or anal intercourse.

* add the acquisition odds mixed with the odds that any one woman is HIV positive mixed with the likelihood she seroconverting the odds of transmission from a woman to a man during a one time unprotected vaginal sex episode is about 1 in 100,000. The risk of getting struck by lightening is 1 in 17,000.

Of course knowing all this I wouldn't have unprotected vaginal sex with a sex worker or any other girl I'm not in a committed relationship with. I've had sex with well over 1,000 woman and unprotected sex with only 5 . 2 of them wives. So I'm very safe. But these are the true odds. Heterosexual HIV cases are not uncommon but most of them are from woman acquiring it from her man who is also engaged in homosexual sexy or intravenous drug use or men acquiring in from years of sleeping with a infected partner without knowing.

KC.

Paige,

It varies. Here in O Town TER is almost useless. It didn't used to be that way. It is difficult to search and easy for whomever to fake reviews. There is no check and balance on it at all. If you think A2 runs this site with an iron fist you need to cross swords with the German housewives that run that site. I have, maybe four or five times. Nothing terminal or life threatening. They just control it tightly. Very German of them. USASG is very active here and some other cities. It is not that way everywhere. There are cites where BP is a good reliable source, TER is a great go-to site and USASG is nothing but a bunch of curmudgeons complaining about each other. Oh, wait, did I just accidentally describe the Rat Trap?

I digress. And this is just my opinion. I haven't used TER for reliable reviews in O Town in many, many months. BP is full of flakes. USASG is where it is at. The ladies here rock. You other members are pretty good. Well, we have a few questionable characters, but in general, you guys are all reliable sources of good intel. And you, you there, back there in the shadows with that doughnut powder on your face. I even like you, in that moose killin' way we guys have.

All that said, Paige, you do have good reviews over there, including the one I wrote. So, you tell us, do you get any phone action from those reviews?

C3.

[QUOTE=PaigeSweetStuf;2227734]So I have noticed that there has been some talk on here about the oThER site vs usasg.

Personally I prefer here to interact because it is a more open forum. There has never been a review posted on here that I question like, Have I seen that guy? Or details not been correct. There isn't much to gain by posting fake reviews on here other than being called out and credibility lost. The only downfall to usasg is that the reviews don't come by googling a providers phone number as with the OthER site. But then again that costs money and this is a free forum.

There are some reviews on the oThER site that I have questioned because the details where def not what I do or just didn't seem right. They were positive reviews but I read them and I am like I have never in my life done so and so, and not saying it is something nasty or gross just out of my character to do. T E are is a pay site, guys get free month or something for doing so many reviews. I am not sure of specifics but that is the jist of it. I think alot of guys just write reviews on there to keep there membership free or fee to a minimum.

So this I ask to you mongers, do you prefer to see girl with a lot fews or just a few?

Then of late I see that has been said about girls giving freebies for a good review. I find this ridiculous. Personally I am in this for profit not charity. What do well known regarded providers have to gain really by giving away goodies for a review? Once a girl is reviewed and respected her rep stays good unless she falls off for some reason and then it hard to gain that rep back. It is not anout how many reviews one has, it is more about what her reputation is. What do you guys think about this? Do you think it is a common practice?

I just like to hear others viewpoints sometimes.

Stay safe, Our forum here is a great virtual community, you guys are the best.

Xoxo.

Paige.[/QUOTE]

Let me jump in to clarify about STD transfer via BBBJ. CDC has in conjunction with Universities, Labs, and renowned clinics compiled information on this subject, and have come to the conclusion that there is a present risk of oral transfer of STD pathogens. Their studies, many done on members of both sexes in different types of sexual and non sexual situations prove this. Saliva does kill the virus, but not bacteria, and open sores raise the probability of infection. Same applies to intercourse. Vaginal intercourse bareback has a high probability for the male, medium for female, while anal is extreme high risk for both sexes.

All practices are risky, with or without condom. Check out the CDC website, or just google the question, and you will find all of this information.

Remember that this is all based on probability, and not possibility. The final outcome hinges on a decision, and as always, all decisions should be observed with the right head.

Be careful, stay safe!

[QUOTE=KingCasanova;2227942]If you find a documented case of HIV acquires through receiving oral I and every expert in the world would love to see it. I did my PHD thesis on the subject so I'm always interested.

To piggy back on this as well.

* the likelihood of a man acquiring HIV from a one time unprotected vaginal sex encounter is 1 in 2000. So that's like having unprotected sex everyday with a HIV infected person for over 5 years before you can expect to get it. That's why one off heterosexual HIV cases are very rare. Most infections are from married men of HIV infected woman acquiring it over long period of time.

* the odds any woman in the US is HIV positive is less than 1%. Sex workers are no different and sometimes even lower due to their level of education on the matter and consistent use of condoms for vaginal or anal intercourse.

* add the acquisition odds mixed with the odds that any one woman is HIV positive mixed with the likelihood she seroconverting the odds of transmission from a woman to a man during a one time unprotected vaginal sex episode is about 1 in 100,000. The risk of getting struck by lightening is 1 in 17,000.

Of course knowing all this I wouldn't have unprotected vaginal sex with a sex worker or any other girl I'm not in a committed relationship with. I've had sex with well over 1,000 woman and unprotected sex with only 5 . 2 of them wives. So I'm very safe. But these are the true odds. Heterosexual HIV cases are not uncommon but most of them are from woman acquiring it from her man who is also engaged in homosexual sexy or intravenous drug use or men acquiring in from years of sleeping with a infected partner without knowing.

KC.[/QUOTE]At this rate we can open our own med thread, LOL. Sort of ask the virtual doctor mixed with Howard Stern.

C3,

I do get call from the other site, they are mostly out of towners though, Most of my regulars come from USASG and even BP. I know people knock BP sometimes but I have met alot of cool guys through there, but most see me there first and check the reviews.

And I thank you for all the wonderful reviews, everytime I see you it is fun and a good time.

Xoxo.

Paige <3.

[QUOTE=Camera3;2227966]Paige,

It varies. Here in O Town TER is almost useless. It didn't used to be that way. It is difficult to search and easy for whomever to fake reviews. There is no check and balance on it at all. If you think A2 runs this site with an iron fist you need to cross swords with the German housewives that run that site. I have, maybe four or five times. Nothing terminal or life threatening. They just control it tightly. Very German of them. USASG is very active here and some other cities. It is not that way everywhere. There are cites where BP is a good reliable source, TER is a great go-to site and USASG is nothing but a bunch of curmudgeons complaining about each other. Oh, wait, did I just accidentally describe the Rat Trap?

I digress. And this is just my opinion. I haven't used TER for reliable reviews in O Town in many, many months. BP is full of flakes. USASG is where it is at. The ladies here rock. You other members are pretty good. Well, we have a few questionable characters, but in general, you guys are all reliable sources of good intel. And you, you there, back there in the shadows with that doughnut powder on your face. I even like you, in that moose killin' way we guys have.

All that said, Paige, you do have good reviews over there, including the one I wrote. So, you tell us, do you get any phone action from those reviews?

C3.[/QUOTE]