Sugarbabies?

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Anybody connect with this lissome lass?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3130159]Agreed on that. It's one thing to give it voluntarily when they aren't expecting it and it does something for them. I found the FB of my current baby before the M&G and knew she loved a particular makeup. Having a gift card for that exact makeup melted her at the end of the M&G. If it hadn't gone well, I could just keep it in my pocket, use it some other time, and just be out the $ for coffee. I hate it when a girl asks for $ to M&G, perhaps w / the exception of gas $ if she really did have to drive a ways. That seems only fair. Some of these girls literally are broke.

I have been dealing w / a very hot 23 YO girl I met off CL. She's got a business that is in trouble and she was $396 overdrawn at the bank. I was trying to get her to the FC at 350, and she was saying 500. I came up to 400 as I knew that would make her whole, and she still wouldn't take it. I'll repeat something I posted a while back. Women are very mercenary in evaluating their attractiveness and matching that up w / the men they will be with. I think this is why so many girls are difficult to get off their numbers. Yeah, I know a lot call it GPS. I happen to be a beauty snob, and don't want to compromise, so I often am paying top dollar. But getting top looks, anyway. You can't buy a BMW cheap, unless it's broken down. Don't pay 20% above the market for a BMW either, though.[/QUOTE]Lets face it some girls have self worth and won't budge from the number they set. My theory is they set the amount and its either yes or no for me. Now once I pass if they want to initiate a negotiation session I'm down. If your claiming to be a sd and have a certain amount listed as income, dressed to kill, oozing money and try to talk a girl down a few bucks puts them in the WTF mode. Just another splenda daddy. Oh any girl found on CL in my opinion is utr and a sex worker which isn't a sb in my book.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3132360]Lets face it some girls have self worth and won't budge from the number they set. My theory is they set the amount and its either yes or no for me. Now once I pass if they want to initiate a negotiation session I'm down. If your claiming to be a sd and have a certain amount listed as income, dressed to kill, oozing money and try to talk a girl down a few bucks puts them in the WTF mode. Just another splenda daddy. Oh any girl found on CL in my opinion is utr and a sex worker which isn't a sb in my book.[/QUOTE]I see this point, but it neglects the intangibles that can only come out if you M&G. So as many have already posted, it is crucial to get her to do that. I've had women in civi dating say things like 'I like the way you move' - there's no way I can get that info to a POT unless she meets me. A splenda daddy has no sugar, but of course, if you advertise that you have a lot, or more than you have, agreed, she's going to expect full price. On the other hand, girls are going to want to fuck you more if they are attracted to you. Put your best foot forward. Go in there clean, neat, well-groomed, and sure, try to look nice. The girl I found on CL definitely isn't an escort, I've really looked into her. She has been doing webcam shows and other class nude modeling, which I guess is a sex worker of sorts, but she's now owns the business and girls work for her. I'd say better than a stripper equivalent.

Took the plunge (again) on SA. Looks like they removed the search filter for hair color (e.g., I can't just pull up blondes) - that sux.

After various methods of searching, I realized there is no search filter for "[I]Only display hot sexy buxom chics that like old, farty, fat, balding and poor guys[/I]".

And I noticed that all the chics that were hitting me up with messages and favoriting me are all gone or profiles locked now that I've paid to see what they were trying to say LOL. As you might have gathered, only the paying guys can actually see message the ladies send them.

Live and learn I guess. ... And learn, and learn some more, get pissed because you forgot the first three times, then re-learn over again.

TGM

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3132711]I see this point, but it neglects the intangibles that can only come out if you M&G. So as many have already posted, it is crucial to get her to do that. I've had women in civi dating say things like 'I like the way you move' - there's no way I can get that info to a POT unless she meets me. A splenda daddy has no sugar, but of course, if you advertise that you have a lot, or more than you have, agreed, she's going to expect full price. On the other hand, girls are going to want to fuck you more if they are attracted to you. Put your best foot forward. Go in there clean, neat, well-groomed, and sure, try to look nice. The girl I found on CL definitely isn't an escort, I've really looked into her. She has been doing webcam shows and other class nude modeling, which I guess is a sex worker of sorts, but she's now owns the business and girls work for her. I'd say better than a stripper equivalent.[/QUOTE]Firm believer in M / G. Most women who want to by pass that and get straight to business is a sex worker or has been. Everyone has different definition for sb. There is plenty here that includes sex workers in tha catagory. I don't. Naturally the M / G filters out some girls that don't have the connection / attraction and need that. If you have texted and sent accurate pics and aren't socially inept then usually the M / G is going to go very well. You never know for sure what's going to show up or if that connection is there without the M / G though. EVen with this done the main purpose for a girl to be on the site is financial help. THere is always exceptions. THe financial help is the main concern, not getting fucked. If the money is great most will take the arrangement and try to make the best of the situation till the sd pulls the plug. For some reason older guys want to think the girl is there for the fuck and not the money. Your paying to be made feel that way. A splenda daddy in their eyes is the guy who list an outrageous income, shows pics of him in his lavish lifestyle and tries to talk them down a few bucks. The term is more defined as fake or pretend.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3135699]Firm believer in M / G. Most women who want to by pass that and get straight to business is a sex worker or has been. Everyone has different definition for sb. There is plenty here that includes sex workers in tha catagory. I don't. Naturally the M / G filters out some girls that don't have the connection / attraction and need that. If you have texted and sent accurate pics and aren't socially inept then usually the M / G is going to go very well. You never know for sure what's going to show up or if that connection is there without the M / G though. EVen with this done the main purpose for a girl to be on the site is financial help. THere is always exceptions. THe financial help is the main concern, not getting fucked. If the money is great most will take the arrangement and try to make the best of the situation till the sd pulls the plug. For some reason older guys want to think the girl is there for the fuck and not the money. Your paying to be made feel that way. A splenda daddy in their eyes is the guy who list an outrageous income, shows pics of him in his lavish lifestyle and tries to talk them down a few bucks. The term is more defined as fake or pretend.[/QUOTE]Keyvan D. Thomas, Dating coach and best-selling dating author.

Written 14 Mar.

It's also known as a "splendaddy. " Through writing my book I met several women who were actively participating in the sugar baby community. Per their description, it's a fellow who puts on a big show of having cash to throw around but doesn't follow up on this implied promise, while at the same time expecting the sugar baby to do her part on the romance and companionship side. The sugar baby ends up feeling like their time has been wasted.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3135699]Firm believer in M / G. Most women who want to by pass that and get straight to business is a sex worker or has been. Everyone has different definition for sb. There is plenty here that includes sex workers in tha catagory. I don't. Naturally the M / G filters out some girls that don't have the connection / attraction and need that. If you have texted and sent accurate pics and aren't socially inept then usually the M / G is going to go very well. You never know for sure what's going to show up or if that connection is there without the M / G though. EVen with this done the main purpose for a girl to be on the site is financial help. THere is always exceptions. THe financial help is the main concern, not getting fucked. If the money is great most will take the arrangement and try to make the best of the situation till the sd pulls the plug. For some reason older guys want to think the girl is there for the fuck and not the money. Your paying to be made feel that way. A splenda daddy in their eyes is the guy who list an outrageous income, shows pics of him in his lavish lifestyle and tries to talk them down a few bucks. The term is more defined as fake or pretend.[/QUOTE]I have only experienced one pro on SA and I knew she had been in the biz after doing some research, but I saw her anyway. She was UTR though and didn't advertise. I've had a good number of arrangements and I only had one M&G to establish the terms and conditions of the P2 P encounter which would follow at a later date and another quasi M&G to have drinks just prior to the P2 P encounter the same day. All others have been set up for a straight P2 P date without a public M&G. These were mostly college girls or girls right out of college working a couple of jobs. Some of you may think this unusual, but what I have found what works in lieu of a typical M&G for coffee or a drink, is a car date featuring a BJ for 100. This has worked for me on a number of occasions. For some reason, many girls feel safe on a car date and think nothing of giving head, as if they are not relinquishing anything of real value. They will take less too. You will never get any of these girls to do a full hour of intimacy with you for 100, but for 15 min, they think it's easy money. Once you get the awkwardness of that initial meeting out of the way on a car date, the next encounter with them is smooth sailing because you gained their trust. And if they don't want to see you again, at least you got a BJ from a nice looking young girl. Except for the car play, all my experiences were unrushed and more like a date. I agree, there is a segment of girls out there that want to do a M&G in public to determine whether you are a freak or not, but that takes too much time and effort, IMO. So you have to vary your approach depending on the target.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3136553]Keyvan D. Thomas, Dating coach and best-selling dating author.

Written 14 Mar.

It's also known as a "splendaddy. " Through writing my book I met several women who were actively participating in the sugar baby community. Per their description, it's a fellow who puts on a big show of having cash to throw around but doesn't follow up on this implied promise, while at the same time expecting the sugar baby to do her part on the romance and companionship side. The sugar baby ends up feeling like their time has been wasted.[/QUOTE]In other words "Fake".

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3130159]...
Women are very mercenary in evaluating their attractiveness and matching that up w / the men they will be with...[/QUOTE]No doubt a lot of them have golden pussy syndrome. The fact of the matter is most guys that have a ton of jack already have golden pussy being thrown at them so WTF would they be doing on SA LOL! It's a numbers game. Only a few guys have tons of jack. A larger percentage are the working stiffs that pay for everyone's social security, medicare, etc. and keep the economy running ([i]and yea, I know a decent percentage of women pull their share too[/i]). And then there are the bottom scum of the able bodied men that don't work at all but somehow think they are the shit. So ladies, lets get real, pull your own head out of that rainbow cotton candy unicorn land of milk and honey pussy of yours and put things in perspective.

Even some of the bigger gals think they are all that until they actually meet you and see that your not that bad looking and fit; oh, and you happen to have a little coin to share. They get humble real quick. Its funny to see them go from golden pussy syndrome to oops I think I just fucked up. The only bad thing with taking it that far is then they blow up your phone with teaser shit that would make las vegas blush trying to get you back. It's pathetic.

Then you get the somewhat hot looking chics that have demands a mile long and talk shit about "[i]if you're a loser don't message me[/i]" or my fav is "[i]if you cant entice me with an interesting message dont bother[/i]" thus denoting exactly how golden they think their pussy really is. It's hilarious. When I see these, Im thinking you need some fishing lessons you dumb ass.

At the end of the day, [B]not all[/B], but a lot of these girls on SA should just start off with being negotiable, open and less of a beeotch thus casting a wide net. It's easier to throw out what you don't want than it is to never have caught what you wanted in the first place. Oh wait, I forgot, that might entail work on her part. Strike that dumb idea.

I think I'm going to write a golden dick profile. Wish me luck haha.

I prefer to do meet and greets. I'm relatively new to this but in my experience so far, the girls who want to get right down to price and terms via text have not been as much fun or as good of a value as the ones who will meet you in person before talking business. I've had a few M&Gs where there was an understanding that if we got along, we could turn the meet into a longer date. This was mostly when the girls were an hour or two away and I didn't want to drive that far for just coffee or dinner. But in general I think meets are kind of fun, and it builds up the anticipation of the real date.

I also get a better deal once the girls meet me. When I've tried to negotiate via text, girls often ask for as much as $4 or 500 or even more sometimes. When I meet them first, most have been willing to take $200 and I've never paid more than $300 for the subsequent real date, which often involves going out to dinner and then a few hours of fun. In some cases I know other guys have paid significantly more. I'm not saying I'm getting better prices because I'm a great guy or anything, I just think that you're more likely to get what you want at a better price if you meet the girl, form something of a connection and if she already has some time invested in you. Having said that, of course you need to be kind and treat them with respect. I never, ever pay for a M&G and I haven't needed to. Only one girl asked, she wouldn't budge and we never met. But there are a lot of girls out there and she was nothing special.

Obviously this takes up some extra time and it won't work for everyone. I'll have to try JizMan's technique which also sounds fun. But I happen to enjoy the meets and since I've gotten more picky about the girls I contact, the meets are usually quite enjoyable because I only meet college students or recent grads, so even though they're young, they can usually carry on a decent conversation.

When I first started I was afraid to contact anyone with an expectation other than minimal or negotiable. But I've seen girls for $200 who listed practical or moderate expectations as well. I've had less luck with girls who listed substantial or high.

[QUOTE=MeSoArnie;3137867]No doubt a lot of them have golden pussy syndrome. The fact of the matter is most guys that have a ton of jack already have golden pussy being thrown at them so WTF would they be doing on SA LOL! It's a numbers game. Only a few guys have tons of jack. A larger percentage are the working stiffs that pay for everyone's social security, medicare, etc. and keep the economy running ([i]and yea, I know a decent percentage of women pull their share too[/i]). And then there are the bottom scum of the able bodied men that don't work at all but somehow think they are the shit. So ladies, lets get real, pull your own head out of that rainbow cotton candy unicorn land of milk and honey pussy of yours and put things in perspective.

Even some of the bigger gals think they are all that until they actually meet you and see that your not that bad looking and fit; oh, and you happen to have a little coin to share. They get humble real quick. Its funny to see them go from golden pussy syndrome to oops I think I just fucked up. The only bad thing with taking it that far is then they blow up your phone with teaser shit that would make las vegas blush trying to get you back. It's pathetic.

Then you get the somewhat hot looking chics that have demands a mile long and talk shit about "[i]if you're a loser don't message me[/i]" or my fav is "[i]if you cant entice me with an interesting message dont bother[/i]" thus denoting exactly how golden they think their pussy really is. It's hilarious. When I see these, Im thinking you need some fishing lessons you dumb ass.

At the end of the day, [B]not all[/B], but a lot of these girls on SA should just start off with being negotiable, open and less of a beeotch thus casting a wide net. It's easier to throw out what you don't want than it is to never have caught what you wanted in the first place. Oh wait, I forgot, that might entail work on her part. Strike that dumb idea.

I think I'm going to write a golden dick profile. Wish me luck haha.[/QUOTE]The golden dick profile doesn't work because when you start trying to get the girls down a few dollars they know better.

Everyone has a value of self worth, even you so I have no problem with girls that have it. Whether its realistic or not that's on them. I don't get mad because they won't fuck me for what I think they are worth. I just wish them hood luck snd move on. OH and thete is plenty of guys that have more money than me or you and will spend it. I don't get mad at them either. Way of the world.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/c236c6d7-bf52-4752-ad6c-d72d0a216189[/URL]

Anyone recognize this one. I realize she is way done in kentucky but she has a 859 415 number whivh put her in your vicinity. Comes across as a working girl so thought maybe a new start for her.

Any info appreciated.

[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;3138998]I prefer to do meet and greets. I'm relatively new to this but in my experience so far, the girls who want to get right down to price and terms via text have not been as much fun or as good of a value as the ones who will meet you in person before talking business. I've had a few M&Gs where there was an understanding that if we got along, we could turn the meet into a longer date. This was mostly when the girls were an hour or two away and I didn't want to drive that far for just coffee or dinner. But in general I think meets are kind of fun, and it builds up the anticipation of the real date.

I also get a better deal once the girls meet me. When I've tried to negotiate via text, girls often ask for as much as $4 or 500 or even more sometimes. When I meet them first, most have been willing to take $200 and I've never paid more than $300 for the subsequent real date, which often involves going out to dinner and then a few hours of fun. In some cases I know other guys have paid significantly more. I'm not saying I'm getting better prices because I'm a great guy or anything, I just think that you're more likely to get what you want at a better price if you meet the girl, form something of a connection and if she already has some time invested in you. Having said that, of course you need to be kind and treat them with respect. I never, ever pay for a M&G and I haven't needed to. Only one girl asked, she wouldn't budge and we never met. But there are a lot of girls out there and she was nothing special.

Obviously this takes up some extra time and it won't work for everyone. I'll have to try JizMan's technique which also sounds fun. But I happen to enjoy the meets and since I've gotten more picky about the girls I contact, the meets are usually quite enjoyable because I only meet college students or recent grads, so even though they're young, they can usually carry on a decent conversation.

When I first started I was afraid to contact anyone with an expectation other than minimal or negotiable. But I've seen girls for $200 who listed practical or moderate expectations as well. I've had less luck with girls who listed substantial or high.[/QUOTE]I'd pay less attention to expectations the younger the girl. Some are just clueless / thoughtless when putting together the profile, and I've also seen those change over time (I *always* make a PDF copy of the profiles of girls I contact). I endorse the recommendation of HollywoodGuy, who has a standard patter he uses about how there's a different balance among the physical, emotional, and financial support girls are getting in each arrangement, depending on the girl. He's right out there that w / him the girl is going to get great, kinky sex. That has some value beyond cash to his target population. I say something more subtle in my initial contacts, but I'm sure they get the point. I'll also say that I've seen a profile where a girl said 'don't tell me you are going to pay me in orgasms' - LOL. Of course not. She's here to make some $, but make sure she knows she's going to enjoy it. We're willing to go up in $ for totally hot women compared to average ones, right? This is like any market. And the negotiation is 1 on 1.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3140121]I'd pay less attention to expectations the younger the girl. Some are just clueless / thoughtless when putting together the profile, and I've also seen those change over time (I *always* make a PDF copy of the profiles of girls I contact). I endorse the recommendation of HollywoodGuy, who has a standard patter he uses about how there's a different balance among the physical, emotional, and financial support girls are getting in each arrangement, depending on the girl. He's right out there that w / him the girl is going to get great, kinky sex. That has some value beyond cash to his target population. I say something more subtle in my initial contacts, but I'm sure they get the point. I'll also say that I've seen a profile where a girl said 'don't tell me you are going to pay me in orgasms' - LOL. Of course not. She's here to make some $, but make sure she knows she's going to enjoy it. We're willing to go up in $ for totally hot women compared to average ones, right? This is like any market. And the negotiation is 1 on 1.[/QUOTE]I agree that the young girls may be more flexible in terms of their expectations, or possibly they're just choosing an expectation level on the site without really thinking about it. I normally search 18-26 and I've never seen a girl older than 21, so I don't have much experience with the older ones. If I want a girl in her 30's or even late 20's I can pick one up at a bar.

These girls are people just like we are, and they have certain expectations. Just as we know what we can afford or are willing to spend, they have an idea of what they think they're worth. Now if it ever gets into a conversation about price, I always point out that it has nothing to do with her worth, you can't put a value on a person, it's just about her time. I try to always be respectful and if a girl makes a request that isn't in line with what I think is reasonable, I just tell her I don't think we're on the same page and thank her for her time.

But I generally don't negotiate much. I meet a girl, then either at the end of the initial meet or via text later, I tell her what my previous arrangements were like, and I ask if that would work for her. Maybe I've been extremely lucky, but it almost always works.

Having said that, I think I'm pre-selecting the reasonable, flexible girls by meeting the ones who don't insist on negotiating a price before we meet.