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[QUOTE=Trumpeter;7231692]What you're doing is negotiating. You're offering a price for services and walking away if they say no. You're just pre-negotiating to avoid useless travel.
.[/QUOTE]I kind of agree with you, but I never get involved in bidding. I offer a price and that is first and final offer.
Like usual I did a poor job of explaining. Examples 2 and 3 would be if I just walked into a shop and depending on the vibe would determine when I would make my offer.
That works too.
It's a cultural thing. These girls have grown up negotiating for a lot of things and it's just a part of life. We don't do it often here and most people in the West are uncomfortable with it.
I spent quite a bit of time in China and in the touristy areas I would see people way overpay for things because they were basing the price on what they thought they would pay here and they were uncomfortable negotiating. The sellers knew this and took advantage.
Offering a fair price and walking away is what works the best. You can't underpay because they'll just let you keep walking. The trick there is to determine a fair price, which takes getting a few no's and adjusting accordingly. We have the advantage of this group to learn what others are paying. In the end you have to decide what it's worth to you because there are a lot of other things you can get with the same amount of money.
[QUOTE=OneOne9;7231705]I kind of agree with you, but I never get involved in bidding. I offer a price and that is first and final offer.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Trumpeter;7231720]That works too.
It's a cultural thing. These girls have grown up negotiating for a lot of things and it's just a part of life. We don't do it often here and most people in the West are uncomfortable with it.
I spent quite a bit of time in China and in the touristy areas I would see people way overpay for things because they were basing the price on what they thought they would pay here and they were uncomfortable negotiating. The sellers knew this and took advantage.
Offering a fair price and walking away is what works the best. You can't underpay because they'll just let you keep walking. The trick there is to determine a fair price, which takes getting a few no's and adjusting accordingly. We have the advantage of this group to learn what others are paying. In the end you have to decide what it's worth to you because there are a lot of other things you can get with the same amount of money.[/QUOTE]In general, when something is pre-determined and has fixed value like house fee we can spent time analyzing what's their fair market value.
Tips is discretional in nature and determined by customer discretion base on their liking. Remember, everyone's experience and expectation and liking are all different.
Some general base guidelines for Tipping world are 15% to 20% and if you received a exceptional service you can tip over 20%.
If you have been blessed to have an abundance, I would encourage you to tip anybody you feel drawn to and whatever you feel comfortable with.
If you don't have much (that's fine) or just don't want to pay (more) than what you believe the market price (subjective opinion base on buying power) should be, that's fine too.
Whatever strategy have shared and advised here, in the end of day we are all different individual and as long as you pay what you think it's worth YOU WILL BE FINE. You are only responsible for yourself and nobody else.
[QUOTE=SageSix;7231745]In general, when something is pre-determined and has fixed value like house fee we can spent time analyzing what's their fair market value.
Tips is discretional in nature and determined by customer discretion base on their liking. Remember, everyone's experience and expectation and liking are all different.
Some general base guidelines for Tipping world are 15% to 20% and if you received a exceptional service you can tip over 20%.
If you have been blessed to have an abundance, I would encourage you to tip anybody you feel drawn to and whatever you feel comfortable with.
If you don't have much (that's fine) or just don't want to pay (more) than what you believe the market price (subjective opinion base on buying power) should be, that's fine too.
Whatever strategy have shared and advised here, in the end of day we are all different individual and as long as you pay what you think it's worth YOU WILL BE FINE. You are only responsible for yourself and nobody else.[/QUOTE]Money collected before service is a fee. Money paid after a service without previously discussing the amount is a tip. Many times reviews are written about shop fee plus tips. Tips means more than one, how many times are you and others tipping a provider? Both have nothing to do with ones income but what a service or product is worth. The market determines the product or service worth.
False shortages of a product or fake info suggesting a product is worth more than the market supports is designed for uninformed people who just follow the herd. Your tipping guidelines are irrelevant for providers.
[QUOTE=OneOne9;7232001]Money collected before service is a fee. Money paid after a service without previously discussing the amount is a tip. Many times reviews are written about shop fee plus tips. Tips means more than one, how many times are you and others tipping a provider? Both have nothing to do with ones income but what a service or product is worth. The market determines the product or service worth.
False shortages of a product or fake info suggesting a product is worth more than the market supports is designed for uninformed people who just follow the herd. Your tipping guidelines are irrelevant for providers.[/QUOTE]Those aren't guidelines or my guidelines per se, just analyzing and sharing my personal subjective opinion on the subject matters. Illustrating 15% or 20% as tipping preference/option like what we see on a POS machine just further demonstrate that's a tipping *option* and it doesn't justify *market price*. Just like how we tip providers.
Like you reinforced yourself, House (FEE) and provider (Tips) are two different categories. Fee is set standard value that one always pay and (TIPS) is discretional amount that we decide what we want to pay. Sharing what one or few pay for tips is one thing, but trying to manipulate or standardize something base what few handful of people pay and called it a *Market Price* is on a totally different scale. Just want to point that out!
Buying power is merely to POINT OUT, what's fair or not fair in your book isn't the same for me or others. That's just logic don't need to debate over common sense.
To put it in plain English, some member pay $200 and think that's fair market value, some might think that's a lot, some might think that's not a lot. That's literally all I'm saying don't need to over analyzed something very simple. Just because someone pay $200 and *think* its the so call *market value* and had success with it, doesn't give them the right to call out someone who pays more than $200. That's all there is to it. People who pay higher can also agree or disagree with it. When few members wonder why Mixedplate89 get some of the stuff other hasn't experience then one might ponder why? Maybe he's handsome or charming or just simply pay *MORE*?
This is a general issue with this forum, just like when some member like to post long reviews. If you don't like to read it then do yourself and everyone a favor just skip it. No harm done ^_^
Everyone has different views of value. Like the guy who asked the Streetwalker how much for a hand job. She said 60 he said thanks. I wanted to see how much I was saving myself everyday.
Tips, I usually do not give a tip if the amount for extras was negotiated before hand. The house fee is fixed in my opinion. Kind of like tipping the coffee girl. My god You add the price of a tip to the coffee and its out of the world for any type of value 5 coffee beans and hot water poured into a cup.
However if the girl really goes above and beyond and does what I want her to do or perform. Then again if nothing was negotiated before hand. I am more generous. It seems Many times I have had the girl very happy and pleased with the amount I gave her. IF they get used to you and know you are a person who pays well and is consistent. You will get treated well. Like a restaurant I used to Frequent, I tipped well and was always taken care of Way ahead of anyone else. Sometimes they would ask a customer to slide over so I can have a seat if I was in the bar. I do not mind paying for service.
Back to places. So many new places So little time. I have been meaning to try the place on Powell and 148th. Its been a long time since I have been there. Short of reading back a long ways. Any updates.
Have a great day guys and girls.
[QUOTE=********;7232055]Everyone has different views of value. Like the guy who asked the Streetwalker how much for a hand job. She said 60 he said thanks. I wanted to see how much I was saving myself everyday.
Tips, I usually do not give a tip if the amount for extras was negotiated before hand. The house fee is fixed in my opinion. Kind of like tipping the coffee girl. My god You add the price of a tip to the coffee and its out of the world for any type of value 5 coffee beans and hot water poured into a cup.
However if the girl really goes above and beyond and does what I want her to do or perform. Then again if nothing was negotiated before hand. I am more generous. It seems Many times I have had the girl very happy and pleased with the amount I gave her. IF they get used to you and know you are a person who pays well and is consistent. You will get treated well. Like a restaurant I used to Frequent, I tipped well and was always taken care of Way ahead of anyone else. Sometimes they would ask a customer to slide over so I can have a seat if I was in the bar. I do not mind paying for service.
Back to places. So many new places So little time. I have been meaning to try the place on Powell and 148th. Its been a long time since I have been there. Short of reading back a long ways. Any updates.
Have a great day guys and girls.[/QUOTE]Very well written and aligned with what I'm trying to convey.
Have a nice day to you too.
[QUOTE=MixedPlate89;7231690]All good. Yeah It's subjective tbh on what's "low," and what's,"high," or what's, "fair," etc. For me, I'm willing to part with $260 at the very highest. Idc what others pay it's not my money so I'm not gon judge them or say they paying too high or too low etc. The end game is to get poonani LOL from a chick you find attractive at AMP's. Of course in an ideal world I'd like to pay $180-200, as most are suggesting & I've tried. For me, I'm not going to haggle or debate or make it to a pt where the chick becomes focused on that & it decreases the service & now she becomes bitter & ain't giving me good service where it's rushed or whatever so I am willing to pay premium price. If I deem it to be cool. I'm a business guy so if things are valued than a "higher price," may be required & I'm willing to pay that if I want product or service X given I budget well, make good money etch & it's money I'm willing to lose so I'm good.
That's how I see it at least. It's all good though. You're right. I respect folks perspectives on this though so it's all a learning experience for me as a rookie AMP cat.[/QUOTE]
Yes, while some might think its just the same when they pay $180-220, but girls are human too. This works both way, right? They might walk out the room more, less time spent on you or don't give you their 100% or maybe rushing through lots of things (you're *NOT* self aware of it). While one might argue there is not much difference but you be your own judge.
For example:
Person A) Pays $200, average service (1 shot) ^_^
Person B) Pays $300, exceptional service (1 shot or more) plus secret menu ^_^
Okay i don't want to be called out promoting HIGHER PRICE on this forum. Running away now LOL
Peace my friend, keep reviewing shops for us. I love your LONG reviews.
On Grand blvd in the covue Anyone been there. Reports. Thanks all. Looks like I have never been to this one before. The others on Mill Plain are usually pretty good The one next to the nail salon had a hot spinner in it and was fun to enjoy. I like to explore new places. I like the full on massage and relaxation. Not the wam bam in and out as its not the value I am looking for. I like personal attention and true relaxation which I am happy to pay for.
Cheers Might venture across the river.
[QUOTE=SageSix;7231603]…Chinese agency veteran so I know what service I can request (when I see agency girl working in AMP)…[/QUOTE]How can you tell? I'm newer to the AMP scene too, but sounds like if you can find an agency girl at an AMP that's a win.
Can you share what to look for?
[QUOTE=********;7232346]On Grand blvd in the covue Anyone been there. Reports. Thanks all. Looks like I have never been to this one before. The others on Mill Plain are usually pretty good The one next to the nail salon had a hot spinner in it and was fun to enjoy. I like to explore new places. I like the full on massage and relaxation. Not the wam bam in and out as its not the value I am looking for. I like personal attention and true relaxation which I am happy to pay for.
Cheers Might venture across the river.[/QUOTE]There is a Sister Asian on Powell and I believe they have the same mgmt / owners. Been to the Powell one twice. Ladies were late 20 to early 30's, massage is a charade, CBJ / CFS.
I do think the Sister women are a bit more attractive than the Love girls, but didn't get any traction on a BBBJ at Sister. Firm CBJ.
Sadly. A CBJ just does not do it much for me. Thanks for the tips. If I can get out of work early. I might just hit up the one on grand. So many newer places which I have not been to in Vancouver.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Kinksty;7232356]How can you tell? I'm newer to the AMP scene too, but sounds like if you can find an agency girl at an AMP that's a win.
Can you share what to look for?[/QUOTE]1) Age, usually young or look young and that's a standard for agency girls.
2) Non-existent massage skill. Of course, it depends on how long the agency girl rotate in AMP world. Through time they will adapt and learn.
3) Poor or non-existent English. Since most of those agency girls served only their same ethnic Chinese clientele and I meant they literally don't understand a word you are saying versus AMP girls that speak some.
4) Busy store, they will only venture to busy store. Other lesser busy store can't feed their appetite and meet their $$ quota. I feel Portland is thriving and might get more of these ladies flying in from other big cities.
5) Routines, their routines are generally different than AMP and you can tell through experience.
6) Simply just ask and knowing what to ask.
Agency and especially the high end one are gears towards high paying customers (500+). Of course, you really need to go to big cities to try their agency to find out what the difference compare to AMP is. Like those agency that you go in and has 10 girls standing there for you to choose from.
This is just what I do, could help or not help at all just take it with grain of salt ^_^
I completely agree with you. I spend quite a bit of time with these ladies outside of the spa and it always amazes me how many customers they have who tip $100-$200 for just a handy when they will also get a guy off for $50. The difference being that the girls will very often try to talk a customer into 30 minutes who they know only tips $50 because they want to get them out the door as quick as possible without any extra effort being put into a massage. They don't speak very well of these customers either, many times fighting amongst each other because neither girl wants to take that customer when there's a chance that a bigger tipper may walk through the door.
[QUOTE=SageSix;7232099]Yes, while some might think it’s just the same when they pay $180-220, but girls are human too. This works both way, right? They might walk out the room more, less time spent on you or don't give you their 100% or maybe rushing through lots of things (you're *NOT* self aware of it). While one might argue there is not much difference but you be your own judge.
For example:
Person A) Pays $200, average service (1 shot) ^_^
Person B) Pays $300, exceptional service (1 shot or more) plus secret menu ^_^
Okay i don't want to be called out promoting HIGHER PRICE on this forum. Running away now LOL
Peace my friend, keep reviewing shops for us. I love your LONG reviews.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AmaznAzn;7233439]I completely agree with you. I spend quite a bit of time with these ladies outside of the spa and it always amazes me how many customers they have who tip $100-$200 for just a handy when they will also get a guy off for $50. The difference being that the girls will very often try to talk a customer into 30 minutes who they know only tips $50 because they want to get them out the door as quick as possible without any extra effort being put into a massage. They don't speak very well of these customers either, many times fighting amongst each other because neither girl wants to take that customer when there's a chance that a bigger tipper may walk through the door.[/QUOTE]I would love to hear about your time with these ladies out outside the spa. Do you have relationships or FWB arrangement? Take them on dates or overnight stays or something? I'm not in a situation for anything like that but am interested in it vicariously.