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[QUOTE=GuardMan;7084528]Here in Sac, I'm finding 28 year old 6-7's asking for $500-$600 PPM. That's top escort $s for a hour. I think I'm missing something. Better service, low mileage? I think $300 is more reasonable.[/QUOTE]Stay strong, and don't pay. Hopefully the market corrects itself.
[QUOTE=StudBucket;7084312]This is great advice, you must be able to qualify them more than ever. I am seeing more girls wanting platonic, expectations for getting paid for meet and greets, and general time wasters. What is the motive behind these girls wanting to go on platonic dates using Seeking? I am not getting it. I mean after all, a good majority will be going out with much older guys, and I am not certianly looking to wife up at this point in my life; been there , done that, lol. I will copy / paste this opener for all girls I am going on a date with.[/QUOTE]Well it works to everyones advantage.
1 - she could completely ghost you, no problem.
2 - she could say "so you are not paying for my time to do nothing (so to speak)". That's right baby, but then the negotiations begin and many times work out just fine.
3 - they say no problem, I like that, when can we meet.
[QUOTE=GuardMan;7084528]Here in Sac, I'm finding 28 year old 6-7's asking for $500-$600 PPM. That's top escort $s for a hour. I think I'm missing something. Better service, low mileage? I think $300 is more reasonable.[/QUOTE]Wow, that is almost LA prices. But many here ask 600-1 k, 8 ss, 9's and 10's now ask 1200-2 k which I will not participate in. You can thank the simps that have killed the market everywhere in the US and driven up prices. These are the same dudes that throw dollars at chicks on Only Fans or Cam Shows and beat off. So that spoils these girls. Also, if a girl gets 500 or 1k from a dude, then its hard for them to go back to a lower price and get jaded, even if they are 6s or 7s. Remember, a lot of these gals don't have good business sense and can be stubborn. I think if you can negotiate 2 pops or even overnights at 5 to 600 hundred its not a bad price. If its 1 hour though, yes you may as well find cheaper escorts on Listcrawler, PD or other sites.
I have only been aware of 1 certified simp who gives SBs way too much, and he posts on this thread. No one called him out. I simply don't believe there is an epidemic of them making sugar go up. If anything, it is blogs where girls brag (=lie) about all the $ they are getting without doing anything.
Guys who are complaining about the sugar girls are asking for are almost certainly negotiating w / them electronically. Email or text. Dumb move. I only ever do it face to face. There are many reasons this works better, but just think about it. If you are just doing messaging online w / a girl, she will give you her top 'escort' price, as if you are a fug ugly dude she doesn't want to touch, because you might just turn out to be that. If she actually knows that you are a reasonable 'date', the price will be different, in my experience.
Much has been said about the decline in true amateurs on Seeking and I can confirm that is the case. I was last active on Seeking between 2017-2021. Being nowhere near the level of others like Ace McNasty or GoldenMan (amazing poster from back in the day), I look back and kick myself for not meeting up with the many MANY non-pro 18 year old and gorgeous college girls that were ready to meet. At the time the abundance reduced the urgency because I was juggling multiple dates and arrangements. The average age now seems to be closer to 30 than 18 and the women are all fake, either as scammers or just all plastic surgery.
I decided to scratch the itch and jump back on and got a conversation going with Kallie. She was very straightforward about meeting and asked for 600 allowance. Never had a goth / emo type of girl like her so thought "fuck it" and decided to meet her. On the positive side she's very nice and even prettier in person. Once we got to the room though it was all downhill because she's effectively a pro who insists on CBJ, nowhere near the experiences I used to have. Going from 18 year old taking a creampie on the first meet and going raw with almost 90% of dates to a CBJ completely turned me off from the date with Kallie and you can guess that I've turned down her messages asking to meet again. Of course she would want to when it's an easy 600 and delivering a boring ass date. I politely told her the CBJ was not doing it for me and she never budged from it so I've moved on. Compare that to the past when I was fucking this tall and slim 21 year old OC beach hottie who asked me if I wanted to take the condom off after I told her I didn't like the lack of sensitivity. I got twice as hard when she asked me if I wanted to fuck without it and slipped it off in a split second. Every meet after was bare and no questions asking. As long as you were respectful and hygienic girls never asked for a rubber.
This was both a report and a rant, the only option left seems to be striking up conversations in person. The social media thing has been suggested but I've had difficulty getting replies and clearly don't know the game well enough there. Good luck to everyone out there, hopefully my next report will be a better outcome!
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cc994929-334e-47d2-b0fc-cd8a4e87910a[/URL]
[QUOTE=Noname101;7085057]Much has been said about the decline in true amateurs on Seeking and I can confirm that is the case. I was last active on Seeking between 2017-2021. Being nowhere near the level of others like Ace McNasty or GoldenMan (amazing poster from back in the day), I look back and kick myself for not meeting up with the many MANY non-pro 18 year old and gorgeous college girls that were ready to meet. At the time the abundance reduced the urgency because I was juggling multiple dates and arrangements. The average age now seems to be closer to 30 than 18 and the women are all fake, either as scammers or just all plastic surgery.
I decided to scratch the itch and jump back on and got a conversation going with Kallie. She was very straightforward about meeting and asked for 600 allowance. Never had a goth / emo type of girl like her so thought "fuck it" and decided to meet her. On the positive side she's very nice and even prettier in person. Once we got to the room though it was all downhill because she's effectively a pro who insists on CBJ, nowhere near the experiences I used to have. Going from 18 year old taking a creampie on the first meet and going raw with almost 90% of dates to a CBJ completely turned me off from the date with Kallie and you can guess that I've turned down her messages asking to meet again. Of course she would want to when it's an easy 600 and delivering a boring ass date. I politely told her the CBJ was not doing it for me and she never budged from it so I've moved on. Compare that to the past when I was fucking this tall and slim 21 year old OC beach hottie who asked me if I wanted to take the condom off after I told her I didn't like the lack of sensitivity. I got twice as hard when she asked me if I wanted to fuck without it and slipped it off in a split second. Every meet after was bare and no questions asking. As long as you were respectful and hygienic girls never asked for a rubber.
This was both a report and a rant, the only option left seems to be striking up conversations in person. The social media thing has been suggested but I've had difficulty getting replies and clearly don't know the game well enough there. Good luck to everyone out there, hopefully my next report will be a better outcome!
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cc994929-334e-47d2-b0fc-cd8a4e87910a[/URL][/QUOTE]Keep trying on Seeking, you just got a bad one. It takes some time to regain your spidy-sense to feel them out. You will start to detect the (semi) pros by the way they text, talk, and other actions. Kallie's profile is 5 months old, that's one indicator. Another is that her profile says "mutually beneficial arrangement" which is code for PPM, the newbies don't say this, though they expect it of course. Any girl that comes right out and asks for PPM or even throws out a number is a (semi) pro, which gets them ghosted from me. If they mention help, assistance, or nothing at all. . . That works better for me. I have a stable of very low mileage girls.
It takes time to land a newbie and there is a lot of competition. I find persistence over time works, both on and off the site. Don't forget to occasionally send a pic if they stop responding off-site, they forget what profile you are and what you look like. I even hold one of my best pics in reserve and send via DM if they're not responding on the site.
Next, develop the ability to say no in person. If they ask for rubber, and you don't want that, politely explain that you're looking for something more intimate and offer to call an uber or walk them to their car. Being willing to end the date usually does the trick. I could probably count on one hand the number of girls that actually left. The more options you have, the easier it is to say no to a particular girl.
[QUOTE=Noname101;7085057]Much has been said about the decline in true amateurs on Seeking and I can confirm that is the case. I was last active on Seeking between 2017-2021. Being nowhere near the level of others like Ace McNasty or GoldenMan (amazing poster from back in the day), I look back and kick myself for not meeting up with the many MANY non-pro 18 year old and gorgeous college girls that were ready to meet. At the time the abundance reduced the urgency because I was juggling multiple dates and arrangements. The average age now seems to be closer to 30 than 18 and the women are all fake, either as scammers or just all plastic surgery.
I decided to scratch the itch and jump back on and got a conversation going with Kallie. She was very straightforward about meeting and asked for 600 allowance. Never had a goth / emo type of girl like her so thought "fuck it" and decided to meet her. On the positive side she's very nice and even prettier in person. Once we got to the room though it was all downhill because she's effectively a pro who insists on CBJ, nowhere near the experiences I used to have. Going from 18 year old taking a creampie on the first meet and going raw with almost 90% of dates to a CBJ completely turned me off from the date with Kallie and you can guess that I've turned down her messages asking to meet again. Of course she would want to when it's an easy 600 and delivering a boring ass date. I politely told her the CBJ was not doing it for me and she never budged from it so I've moved on. Compare that to the past when I was fucking this tall and slim 21 year old OC beach hottie who asked me if I wanted to take the condom off after I told her I didn't like the lack of sensitivity. I got twice as hard when she asked me if I wanted to fuck without it and slipped it off in a split second.[/QUOTE]I reviewed her before. I thought she was fake / scammer because she wasn't willing to do a voice or video chat before M&G. In our conversation, she asked for condom only right off the bat. She was condom only and wouldn't verify herself so I passed on her.
Seeking more strict now? Went to make a new account and it says I have to verify with a selfie. Can you bypass this? Or you have to upload multiple pictures now including a selfie for them to confirm its you?
[QUOTE=UnknownSD;7081492]Here's a hot AA girl for you guys. She lives in Pasadena. Photos are accurate. She's short on cash. Easy to meet. Allowance negotiable.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ea9e6de3-21aa-4674-9288-0e24b91d5cbd[/URL][/QUOTE]She is smoking. Any further details?
She's a fake / scammer. She's selling content for $35. Probably some dude selling other girl's content.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0bc0d20f-286c-485c-995b-12c19f86702e[/URL]
Fake / Scammer. Ask for $ for verification. Lame.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/82062049-c736-4b68-acfd-cbe222a31666[/URL]
I just decided to end my break and get on again and I see that the option for promos is gone. I do not think SA is worth $110 at this point.
Latina, 23. Below average looking. Dental assistant. She wanted 400, but I only agreed to 300 because she really wasn't my type and I was seriously horny. Everything was on the table, except anal. There was miscommunication because she was dead set on the 400, wanted the extra 100, and suggested that I take her to an ATM to get it. Of course I had the money, but she wasn't even all that in person, and she had a stomach, so I bid her farewell. Her behavior lets me know that truly hot women are getting at least 1 k from the site.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f57775c4-08c9-40ee-97b6-84bd7cf864ca[/URL]
[QUOTE=NutritionFacts;7086185]I just decided to end my break and get on again and I see that the option for promos is gone. I do not think SA is worth $110 at this point.[/QUOTE]True. There are not many real profiles and fake / scammers keep creating new profiles making us think there are. I'm taking a break after my membership expires.
[QUOTE=NutritionFacts;7086185]I just decided to end my break and get on again and I see that the option for promos is gone. I do not think SA is worth $110 at this point.[/QUOTE]I noticed that too when I went to renew. Could not find a code. Ended up not renewing because I buy, and have, 90 dollar gift cards especially for this purpose so I don't have to use my real credit card which I'd never do. Now I have a few 90 dollar gift cards and no seeking. Which is fine because I needed a break. I have an OC baby I'm doing. She's not a supermodel but she's adequate, the right price, and acquiescent to my preferences. She'll do for now.