"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2566596]There are many true SB's that accept the multiple baby theorem. Its pretty simple. Would you rather be with a guy that can prove he takes care of his girls (with in your face absolute proof). Or take your chances on a Mr Big Talk and that might be married?
(sorry guys)

And of course there is always the mystique of being with a guy that attracts more women than he could ever fuck. They want to know what makes that guy so special. Must be something good, right?

And then uniquely in my case if they happen to see my daughter or her car they are blown away. So I got a few features that get me my benefits. And the 5 steps, that will work for anyone. Modified or just brainlessly mailing it out en mass.

Plus the whole responsible but still a bad boy type. A risk worth taking for many.[/QUOTE]I get what you mean and agree when considered in a certain context. There are plenty of true SBs out there that might even join in on the fun with other girls if the circumstances are right. But, what I didn't communicate very well is that I was speaking mostly about Asian SBs. Yours might be a bit different in the sense that she grew up (I'm assuming) in the USA. But, if she is as innocent as she claims, and from a rich family as she claims, she would be subject to some of the cultural anomalies of her "non-Americanized" counterparts.

To an Asian girl, most of the traits you've described above would not impress them. Bad boys / playboys / etc. Who get all the pussy they can find time for are all over their male dominated culture, so being "that guy" doesn't buy much with them. They have in their minds that they should always be an SB to a large extent, even in a "regular" civy relationship, it's up to the male to take care of them. Its a cultural thing. They are also more likely to get jealous or possessive, particularly after you're fucking them, than an American girl would, and less likely to be open-minded to threesomes and what not. They can also get weird even if you are in a fairly open arrangement with them when it comes to being accepting of you having unprotected sex with other girls, partially because of the perceived health risk to them. I can remember dating one who was cheating on her fianc with me. She knew another girl was coming to stay the weekend with me and she didn't even bat an eye, until later it dawned on her that I was probably going bareback with the other girl just as I had been doing with her, then she started freaking out giving me lectures about HIV and so forth.

Now all of this is shamefully stereotypical and you will absolutely find exceptions (particularly if they grew up in the US), but once you've been with countless numbers of them you will start to notice patterns of generalizations that do seem to hold up overall.

Oh yeah, and you've already encountered some of the menstrual madness. Get ready for a lot more of that rollercoaster with Asians. lol.... it can get pretty bad. Worse IMO than with USA girls.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2566894]I get what you mean and agree when considered in a certain context. There are plenty of true SBs out there that might even join in on the fun with other girls if the circumstances are right. But, what I didn't communicate very well is that I was speaking mostly about Asian SBs. Yours might be a bit different in the sense that she grew up (I'm assuming) in the USA. But, if she is as innocent as she claims, and from a rich family as she claims, she would be subject to some of the cultural anomalies of her "non-Americanized" counterparts.

To an Asian girl, most of the traits you've described above would not impress them. Bad boys / playboys / etc. Who get all the pussy they can find time for are all over their male dominated culture, so being "that guy" doesn't buy much with them. They have in their minds that they should always be an SB to a large extent, even in a "regular" civy relationship, it's up to the male to take care of them. Its a cultural thing. They are also more likely to get jealous or possessive, particularly after you're fucking them, than an American girl would, and less likely to be open-minded to threesomes and what not. They can also get weird even if you are in a fairly open arrangement with them when it comes to being accepting of you having unprotected sex with other girls, partially because of the perceived health risk to them. I can remember dating one who was cheating on her fianc with me. She knew another girl was coming to stay the weekend with me and she didn't even bat an eye, until later it dawned on her that I was probably going bareback with the other girl just as I had been doing with her, then she started freaking out giving me lectures about HIV and so forth.

Now all of this is shamefully stereotypical and you will absolutely find exceptions (particularly if they grew up in the US), but once you've been with countless numbers of them you will start to notice patterns of generalizations that do seem to hold up overall.

Oh yeah, and you've already encountered some of the menstrual madness. Get ready for a lot more of that rollercoaster with Asians. lol.... it can get pretty bad. Worse IMO than with USA girls.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't date too many asians. Except for my ex roommate, I have only had a few. Here is a cute indonesian girl I lived with until she tried to get me to kick the habit for good. I managed to stay exclusive to her for 6 months until it just became too much for me to handle. And this girl was a 9 in the sack. And a little kinky.

I my situation I can't really hide what I do, so I have to just find girls that are accepting of my lifestyle. This is the last one that made any real attempt to, and that was already maybe 3 years ago. Not gonna happen.

[QUOTE=HoundOnI81;2567196]At what point does an SB become something more professional? Is the difference how you meet her? Or how many guys she is seeing?

I have met SBs from the SA site that seem to be very low volume. I've met SBs from craigslist that seem to be very low mileage.

I would consider backpage contacts as escorts or UTR- no plans on trying that.

Take out from restaurants- always a fun challenge and I consider them UTR.

I would like to make sure future posts go in the right section.

Hound.[/QUOTE]We all go back and forth on this. But IMHO a Pro is someone working 2 or more men for money. For your purposes posting on this this thread, any SB found IRL or on a Sugar website, and who is not listed on CL, BP, with an agency or pimp or has her own professional webpage can be considered an Sb until being proven otherwise. One could argue that a true SB could come from anywhere -like CL or BP, or in the personal listings FFM or other dating sites like AM, Fling, Match, etc. There is a fine line between Pros and SBs. I guess that line would be the existence of a relationship beyond just sex for money.

Timely topic, I've been chatting with the SB and just got her digits. A quick google shows she's advertised on BP under escorts.

Any advise on how to maximize my enjoyment with her?

[QUOTE=Telcova;2567323]Timely topic, I've been chatting with the SB and just got her digits. A quick google shows she's advertised on BP under escorts.

Any advise on how to maximize my enjoyment with her?[/QUOTE]Forget about her.

Its been just over a year since I broke up with my GF/SB. I ended it due to poor performance in the FC. But we have been talking the entire time. Recently I suggested she come by just for a casual visit. Maybe tomorrow. I know she has a GF right now, but a lot of insecure young girls will retreat to that when their personal confidence is low, if they are emotionally dissatisfied or their overall disdain for men in general gets too high.

I have some experience with bi-girls as my first wife was a true blue bi, and still is to this day. After 5 years of being married to her and 40 years of talking to her I have a pretty good idea of what goes on in some girls minds about this, that are not full on lez.

At this point my conversations with my x SB are not "sugar coated" and I think there is still a chance for a reunification of sorts. With a girl this fine its worth it to me to hang in there. Our feelings for each other were very strong. Also I miss the whole GF dynamic.

Looks wise, she is my version of a 10/10. Face Body. Turns 22 this month. 5'5" & 102.

[QUOTE=HoundOnI81;2567196]At what point does an SB become something more professional? Is the difference how you meet her? Or how many guys she is seeing?

I have met SBs from the SA site that seem to be very low volume. I've met SBs from craigslist that seem to be very low mileage.

I would consider backpage contacts as escorts or UTR- no plans on trying that.

Take out from restaurants- always a fun challenge and I consider them UTR.

I would like to make sure future posts go in the right section.

Hound.[/QUOTE]I'd highly recommend using the Index and FAQ thread to catch up on a lot of these topics, many of them have been discussed at length and you can get a feel for each differing opinion:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2567350]Forget about her.[/QUOTE]Agreed.

And while you're at it chastise her for not being smart enough to realize that sugar babying and escorting are two different things, and tell her to stick to BP.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2567404]Agreed.

And while you're at it chastise her for not being smart enough to realize that sugar babying and escorting are two different things, and tell her to stick to BP.[/QUOTE]She is smart enough to realize that the lines are blurred between Sugar and Hooker. We all know escorts use Sugar sites for recruiting. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. I met a cute 27 yr old 8/8/7/7 on a Sugar site-many of you know her, fucked her a few times, and saw her transition to an UTR site, then to BP, and blew up as a full on hooker. At least 5 guys were writing about her on another USA site. She is a single Mom, had a decent professional job, then went downhill. Sad. She must've gotten on drugs IMO.

The point is -you can't tell sometimes. If they are seeing 2 or more guys for money they are escorts.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2567435] If they are seeing 2 or more guys for money they are escorts.[/QUOTE]I think lots of them start out with the great expectations filling their heads and then find out that they aren't going to be able to live off of one guy. If they are desperate for cash it's easy for them to make the mental leap from a single SD to multiples. Pretty soon they are an UTR.

My favorite for a while was an 18 year old latina who told me I was her first SD. I kind of believed her but you never know. I kept seeing her active on SA so I gathered she was either looking for more than one or a better deal than my 120. Sure enough, before long she broke it off with me, saying she had met someone who was willing to give her 300. I tried to use the "he's looking for a notch and will dump you" logic on her, to know avail. A few weeks later she changed her profile heading to "this was a mistake", then deleted the profile. Recently she started texting me again, had moved back in with her parents, was on lockdown, and was feeling low. I offered to take her to lunch, NSA, no sugar. We had a nice lunch and I dropped her back off near her house. That afternoon she texted me that she was thinking about being a SB again because she owes her sister money and wanted to get out from under the debt. I told her I would take her back on the same terms. At first she said no, she had gotten greedy (her words) and didn't want to ask me for more money. I countered with the offer to see her more frequently than before but at the same rate until her debt was paid, and she agreed. She is supposed to come over later this afternoon for our first meeting in months. So while I think she crossed the line a while back, I think she found it was not to her liking and wants something more on the lines of a real SB arrangement. She may go UTR again in the future, but for now I don't think she will be seeing anyone else just because her parents are keeping her on such a tight leash. We shall see.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2567461]I think lots of them start out with the great expectations filling their heads and then find out that they aren't going to be able to live off of one guy. If they are desperate for cash it's easy for them to make the mental leap from a single SD to multiples. Pretty soon they are an UTR.

e.[/QUOTE]Totally true -It is easy money until they encounter an abusive user. And think about it -if we "had" to screw every hag that came along life would not seem so grand. At least we choose who we are going to bless with our family jewels. Once you start down the road where you take all cum-ers it could be pretty miserable. I think it is too tempting for these girls -particularly the young ones-to pass up the big bucks just for lying on their backs. You can see how it goes -making $120 X 4 =$480 / month. Pick up another and another $500 -1000. Tempting. I wish someone would pay me to screw them.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2567435]She is smart enough to realize that the lines are blurred between Sugar and Hooker. We all know escorts use Sugar sites for recruiting. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. I met a cute 27 yr old 8/8/7/7 on a Sugar site-many of you know her, fucked her a few times, and saw her transition to an UTR site, then to BP, and blew up as a full on hooker. At least 5 guys were writing about her on another USA site. She is a single Mom, had a decent professional job, then went downhill. Sad. She must've gotten on drugs IMO.

The point is -you can't tell sometimes. If they are seeing 2 or more guys for money they are escorts.[/QUOTE]It's not a matter of whether idiots do it or not, it's a matter of whether they should. I'm saying chastise her for entitling herself to ignore the terms of service of the site while simultaneously agreeing to them.

It takes an enormously self-centered person to go through life believing the rules don't apply to her. Not surprising, from a gold digging hooker, but at the same time those who understand and respect the differences should feel empowered to strike back and preserve their hobby however they need to.

As far as SD's the advice to avoid these girls is good, because they've had loads in their mouth from every variety of crackhead and needle-marked degenerate out there. Most SDs I think are looking for some cleaner poon than that.