Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Craven Moorhed;1581527]Have to agree with AMP Fme again. Attitudes like demonstrated by Buhi will lead to lesser experiences for us all.[/QUOTE]The AMP situation had greatly deteriorated way before that guy did what he did, however their is no excuse for that type of behavior. The sad part is he posted and thought he had earned credibility. We do not like the situation but most of us just post and not go back to that establishment. What he did was very serious, and crossed the line.

No one wants to be associated with that woman hating, prison like, abusive bullshit. He should ensure that he takes his meds before leaving the house.

I know Gold Spa is open late, but which other ones are open after 11PM?

Stopped by Elite on Friday because I had to meet a client over that way. Other experiences had been good ski was looking forward to it.

When I got there around 5pm they were closed. Anyone know why?

[QUOTE=Buhi Jackn;1581397]*** I think some of you guys *** jump to way too many conclusions. Or you are all lawyers. Last time I checked, when a massage theripist puts their hand on your dick they are breaking the law. ***[/QUOTE]My careful reading of the prostitution statutes in North Carolina and Massachusetts convinced me hand jobs you pay for are legal in those states. In other states that is not true, however, so go on-line and read the prostitution statute for the state where you are, and in those states be especially careful how you phrase your requests. All states now have their statutes (laws) on the Internet.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1581714]Not that I would ever venture that far south to a parlor, but how did you hear about that place? Never seen it advertised.[/QUOTE]Craigslist.

[url]http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/biz/3366037588.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Southbound;1575039]If you think that what happened in Duluth was simply a result of LE doing their job, you are sadly mistaken. The Feds shut down Blue Moon? I am sure Connie being so damn aggressive could not have helped. Again, believe what you like.[/QUOTE]I thought it had more to do with that shoot-out at the AMP on Peachtree Industrial (Tong Tong? Something like that). That didn't have anything to do with the massage business, really, but probably really scared the suburban cops. It's a pretty safe area around there apart from that one weird incident.

That might explain the extra attention in that area, too. I've seen several closed AMP around there.

[QUOTE=Param Ahmad;1581993]My careful reading of the prostitution statutes in North Carolina and Massachusetts convinced me hand jobs you pay for are legal in those states. In other states that is not true, however, so go on-line and read the prostitution statute for the state where you are, and in those states be especially careful how you phrase your requests. All states now have their statutes (laws) on the Internet.[/QUOTE]Sounds interesting. Would you care to post those HJ statutes here? Have a feeling that, in the end, local laws (anywhere) are subject to interpretation on the side of LE, politics and other influential means.

[QUOTE=Nonameyet;1581852]I know Gold Spa is open late, but which other ones are open after 11PM?[/QUOTE]The other ones directly across the street and down the road (4 more) in both directions. Have you done any research on AMPs in that area to find out?

[QUOTE=NotParticular; 1582113]Craigslist.

[url]http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/biz/3366037588.html[/url][/QUOTE]Appreciate the link. It gives guys a place to visit on the southside.

[QUOTE=Jimmia; 1581972]Stopped by Elite on Friday because I had to meet a client over that way. Other experiences had been good ski was looking forward to it.

When I got there around 5pm they were closed. Anyone know why?[/QUOTE]I am guessing that it's a result of their diminished business as of the last several months / year. Ever since Elite got busted awhile back, seems they've been cautious and haven't been able to recruit providers with good LE radar. Mamasans have rotated also. Suspect they have trouble recruiting women who will accept the increased risk there and have either decreased their hours or have shut down. Elite's management hasn't been the best for a long time. That usually spells final closure. Pileo Spa has been under the same pressure for years, but at least they've been smarter in business. Curious how anyone else has fared at either establishment recently.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1582553]Sounds interesting. Would you care to post those HJ statutes here? Have a feeling that, in the end, local laws (anywhere) are subject to interpretation on the side of LE, politics and other influential means.[/QUOTE]Sure, I'm happy to do that.

In North Carolina, prostitution is defined in Sec. 14-203: "Definition of terms. The term 'prostitution' shall be construed to include the offering of receiving of the body for sexual intercourse for hire, and shall also be construed to include the offering of receiving of the body for indiscriminate sexual intercourse without hire."

Additionally, according to an article by a North Carolina lawyer who previously was a superior court judge and was a member of the North Carolina legislature,"North Carolina's current prostitution law specifically applies only to vaginal intercourse." You'll find the article here:

[url]http://www.raywarrenlaw.com/Amendment-QA.pdf[/url]

According to this definition, not just orgasms by hand but oral-genital contact you pay for legal in North Carolina.

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Massachusetts as another example:

[url]http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter272/Section53A[/url]

Accessed October 29, 2012:

(Please forgive the (be) and (see) for the letters that sound like those words. This web site's automatic editing changes the second and third letters in the alphabet into the words be and see. I've already asked Jackson or the current site administrator to stop using that automatic editing program in a comment in the appropriate thread or forum.)

[Text of section effective until February 19, 2012. For text effective February 19, 2012, see below. ]

Section 53A. (a) Whoever engages, agrees to engage, or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee, or whoever pays, agrees to pay, or offers to pay another person to engage in sexual conduct, or to agree to engage in sexual conduct with another natural person, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 1 year or by a fine of not more than $500 or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

(be) Whoever pays, agrees to pay, or offers to pay any person with the intent to engage in sexual conduct with a child under the age of 14, or whoever is paid, agrees to pay, or agrees that a third person be paid in return for aiding a person who intends to engage in sexual conduct with a child under the age of 14, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 10 years or in the house of correction for not more than 21/2 years, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

Chapter 272: Section 53A. Engaging in sexual conduct for a fee; engaging in sexual conduct with child under age 18 for a fee; penalties.

[ Text of section as amended by 2011, 178, Sec. 25 effective February 19, 2012. For text effective until February 19, 2012, see above. ]

Section 53A. (a) Whoever engages, agrees to engage or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 1 year or by a fine of not more than $500, or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

(be) Whoever pays, agrees to pay or offers to pay another person to engage in sexual conduct, or to agree to engage in sexual conduct with another person, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 2 and one-half years or by a fine of not less than $1, 000 and not more than $5, 000, or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

(see) Whoever pays, agrees to pay or offers to pay any person with the intent to engage in sexual conduct with a child under the age of 18, or whoever is paid, agrees to pay or agrees that a third person be paid in return for aiding a person who intends to engage in sexual conduct with a child under the age of 18, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 10 years, or in the house of correction for not more than 2 and one-half years and by a fine of not less than $3, 000 and not more than $10, 000, or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not; provided, however, that a prosecution commenced under this section shall not be continued without a finding or placed on file.

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I couldn't find a definition of "sexual conduct" in the Massachusetts statutes, but I did find this on a Massachusetts lawyer's web site:

[url]http://www.bostoncriminallawyer.com/lawyer-attorney-1614225.html[/url]

Accessed October 29, 2012:

"The legal definition of 'sexual conduct' in Massachusetts includes intercourse, oral sex and any intrusion of a part of someone's body or some other object into the genital or anal area of another person's body."

Since giving a man an orgasm with a hand or hands only doesn't involve an intrusion of a part of her body "into" any part of his body, I don't see how the Massachusetts law against "sexual conduct * * * in return for a fee" is violated when a masseuse gives a man an orgasm with only her hand or hands.

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But we're in the Atlanta, Georgia thread or section, so let's look at Georgia's law:

16-6-9. Prostitution.

A person commits the offense of prostitution when he or she performs or offers or consents to perform a sexual act, including but not limited to sexual intercourse or sodomy, for money or other items of value.

[url]http://statutes.laws.com/georgia/title-16/chapter-6/16-6-9[/url]

Accessed October 29, 2012.

So the next question is whether hand to genital contact, or oral-genital contact, is defined as a "sexual act" in Georgia.

Georgia statute 16-6-2. Sodomy; aggravated sodomy.

(a) A person commits the offense of sodomy when he performs or submits to any sexual act involving the sex organs of one person and the mouth or anus of another.

Georgia statute 16-6-5. 1. Sexual assault against persons in custody; sexual assault against person detained or patient in hospital or other institution; sexual assault by practitioner of psychotherapy against patient. (a) As used in this Code section, the term:

* * *

4."Sexual contact" means any contact for the purpose of sexual gratification of the actor with the intimate parts of a person not married to the actor. * * *

However, that definition seems to apply to only sexual assault against persons in custody or in psychotherapy and for the sexual gratification of the "actor", who in a massage parlor would be the masseuse. I'd have look at the court decisions to say for sure, but what I've found so-far gives me the impression one could reasonably argue hand jobs for compensation for gratification of the recipient rather than the actor are legal in Georgia.

Param

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1582553]Sounds interesting. Would you care to post those HJ statutes here? Have a feeling that, in the end, local laws (anywhere) are subject to interpretation on the side of LE, politics and other influential means.[/QUOTE]It is sections 16-6-16 and 16-6-17 of the Georgia Code for those of us in Atlanta.

[url]http://prostitution.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=731[/url]

[url]http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/gacode/[/url]

It is interesting to read the rest of section 16-6. Mongers should read 16-6-12 (pandering) and the penalty for it (16-6-13).

However. 16-6-2 makes sodomy illegal, which includes a consensual BJ from your wife or girlfriend. The Georgia courts have generally held that part unenforceable under the Georgia Constitution, as it infringes upon the right of privacy.

Oh, and 16-6-18 makes it illegal for unmarried people to have sex. 16-6-19 makes it illegal to have sex with anyone other than your spouse.

How does our government get to choose which part of a chapter they get to enforce?

BTW-I know a bunch of LEOs, and NONE of them think mongering should be illegal. They think it's a victim-less crime unless the pro is a minor.

A Georgia lawyer told me there had to be some sort of penetration, which is consistent with what you state here.

We probably have all seen the 'masturbation for hire' charges. It sounds like there may be a separate law for that.

[QUOTE=Param Ahmad; 1582739]Sure, I'm happy to do that.

In North Carolina, prostitution is defined in Sec. 14-203: "Definition of terms. The term 'prostitution' shall be construed to include the offering of receiving of the body for sexual intercourse for hire, and shall also be construed to include the offering of receiving of the body for indiscriminate sexual intercourse without hire."

Additionally, according to an article by a North Carolina lawyer who previously was a superior court judge and was a member of the North Carolina legislature,"North Carolina's current prostitution law specifically applies only to vaginal intercourse." You'll find the article here:

[url]http://www.raywarrenlaw.com/Amendment-QA.pdf[/url]

According to this definition, not just orgasms by hand but oral-genital contact you pay for legal in North Carolina.

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Massachusetts as another example:

[url]http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter272/Section53A[/url]

Accessed October 29, 2012:

(Please forgive the (be) and (see) for the letters that sound like those words. This web site's automatic editing changes the second and third letters in the alphabet into the words be and see. I've already asked Jackson or the current site administrator to stop using that automatic editing program in a comment in the appropriate thread or forum.)

[Text of section effective until February 19, 2012. For text effective February 19, 2012, see below. ]

Section 53A. (a) Whoever engages, agrees to engage, or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee, or whoever pays, agrees to pay, or offers to pay another person to engage in sexual conduct, or to agree to engage in sexual conduct with another natural person, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 1 year or by a fine of not more than $500 or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

(be) Whoever pays, agrees to pay, or offers to pay any person with the intent to engage in sexual conduct with a child under the age of 14, or whoever is paid, agrees to pay, or agrees that a third person be paid in return for aiding a person who intends to engage in sexual conduct with a child under the age of 14, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 10 years or in the house of correction for not more than 21/2 years, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

Chapter 272: Section 53A. Engaging in sexual conduct for a fee; engaging in sexual conduct with child under age 18 for a fee; penalties.

[ Text of section as amended by 2011, 178, Sec. 25 effective February 19, 2012. For text effective until February 19, 2012, see above. ]

Section 53A. (a) Whoever engages, agrees to engage or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 1 year or by a fine of not more than $500, or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

(be) Whoever pays, agrees to pay or offers to pay another person to engage in sexual conduct, or to agree to engage in sexual conduct with another person, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 2 and one-half years or by a fine of not less than $1, 000 and not more than $5, 000, or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

(see) Whoever pays, agrees to pay or offers to pay any person with the intent to engage in sexual conduct with a child under the age of 18, or whoever is paid, agrees to pay or agrees that a third person be paid in return for aiding a person who intends to engage in sexual conduct with a child under the age of 18, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 10 years, or in the house of correction for not more than 2 and one-half years and by a fine of not less than $3, 000 and not more than $10, 000, or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not; provided, however, that a prosecution commenced under this section shall not be continued without a finding or placed on file.

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I couldn't find a definition of "sexual conduct" in the Massachusetts statutes, but I did find this on a Massachusetts lawyer's web site:

[url]http://www.bostoncriminallawyer.com/lawyer-attorney-1614225.html[/url]

Accessed October 29, 2012:

"The legal definition of 'sexual conduct' in Massachusetts includes intercourse, oral sex and any intrusion of a part of someone's body or some other object into the genital or anal area of another person's body."

Since giving a man an orgasm with a hand or hands only doesn't involve an intrusion of a part of her body "into" any part of his body, I don't see how the Massachusetts law against "sexual conduct * * * in return for a fee" is violated when a masseuse gives a man an orgasm with only her hand or hands.

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But we're in the Atlanta, Georgia thread or section, so let's look at Georgia's law:

16-6-9. Prostitution.

A person commits the offense of prostitution when he or she performs or offers or consents to perform a sexual act, including but not limited to sexual intercourse or sodomy, for money or other items of value.

[url]http://statutes.laws.com/georgia/title-16/chapter-6/16-6-9[/url]

Accessed October 29, 2012.

So the next question is whether hand to genital contact, or oral-genital contact, is defined as a "sexual act" in Georgia.

Georgia statute 16-6-2. Sodomy; aggravated sodomy.

(a) A person commits the offense of sodomy when he performs or submits to any sexual act involving the sex organs of one person and the mouth or anus of another.

Georgia statute 16-6-5. 1. Sexual assault against persons in custody; sexual assault against person detained or patient in hospital or other institution; sexual assault by practitioner of psychotherapy against patient. (a) As used in this Code section, the term:

* * *

4."Sexual contact" means any contact for the purpose of sexual gratification of the actor with the intimate parts of a person not married to the actor. * * *

However, that definition seems to apply to only sexual assault against persons in custody or in psychotherapy and for the sexual gratification of the "actor", who in a massage parlor would be the masseuse. I'd have look at the court decisions to say for sure, but what I've found so-far gives me the impression one could reasonably argue hand jobs for compensation for gratification of the recipient rather than the actor are legal in Georgia.

Param[/QUOTE]

Not a lawyer, don't like the words, "including but not limited to". Any thoughts / comments. May be up to interpretation.

But we're in the Atlanta, Georgia thread or section, so let's look at Georgia's law:

16-6-9. Prostitution.

A person commits the offense of prostitution when he or she performs or offers or consents to perform a sexual act, including but not limited to sexual intercourse or sodomy, for money or other items of value.

[url]http://statutes.laws.com/georgia/title-16/chapter-6/16-6-9[/url]

Param[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sadsack2; 1583214]Not a lawyer, don't like the words,"including but not limited to". Any thoughts / comments. May be up to interpretation.

But we're in the Atlanta, Georgia thread or section, so let's look at Georgia's law:

16-6-9. Prostitution.

A person commits the offense of prostitution when he or she performs or offers or consents to perform a sexual act, including but not limited to sexual intercourse or sodomy, for money or other items of value.

[url]http://statutes.laws.com/georgia/title-16/chapter-6/16-6-9[/url]

Param[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]That law is so vaguely written, it could be interpreted many ways. I assume they did that so they could interpret it any way they desire.