Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=LilaBella;2021784]Just goes to show you that you have never had a $300 vagina if you believe a vagina is a vagina. Is Walmart a Macy's because it's all shopping? Is jewelry from KMart the same quality as Tiffany & Co.? No. Even I spend the extra $20 for the same item to go to Target instead of Walmart. It's not about the item necessarily, it's about the entire experience. And yes, a 26 year old airhead looking for her next meth fix for $100 an hour is not the same as a true lady that can hold an intelligent conversation before she makes his eyes roll into the back of his head for $300 an hour...maybe you don't need the conversation. Maybe you're happy with the providers you see. Perfectly fine with me. I also don't publicly comment on your choice of rate you prefer or your providers of choice so why is it that you take time to comment on my choice of rate or my type of preferred client?

And I would LOVE to know how I come off as racist...you're really reaching now sugar. So does that make providers that have an age limitation on their clientele a snotty girl? Please, find something better to do with your day than bash a provider you have never met and never will meet.

Lila Bella.[/QUOTE]Just to let you know when I'm shopping for myself I never shop at Walmart, and you're far from Tiffany's, and Archie Bunker always said he wasn't a racist. You put your preference in regard to color in your ad there has to be a reason, either you don't think black men can afford you or you think black men will rob you or you just don't like black men period either way you put it out there first I just piggy backed. So we can keep this going or you can go on with what you're doing but the more you talk the more people see.

To the all the ladys out there, just remember the golden rule. He who has the gold rules. That means us. There is more good pussy in Cincy than days of week and more than any other city in OH. You want to pick a fight with us, you are pissing into the wind. Lilabilly will be gone soon enough.

Seems like this cat-dog fight about rates and value is going to wind down soon. We need another good topic to start up.

Three cheers for A2 for building the OCTAGON. A place where. When I'm bored- I can always come for first rate interactive entertainment.

Maybe this photo of Lexi will help get our minds back in the gutter where they belong. Lexi is Aries partner. To see more of them in action check out the Memphis Escort Report board from time to time.

[QUOTE=Glockman;2022385]Maybe this photo of Lexi will help get our minds back in the gutter where they belong. Lexi is Aries partner. To see more of them in action check out the Memphis Escort Report board from time to time.[/QUOTE]I still wouldn't pay even 1.0.

[QUOTE=LilaBella;2022406]There is no prize here, nothing to win. But if these "gents", and I use that term loosely with some, think they can bash me and try and deter my business they had better rethink their strategy. I am tired of being picked on for no good reason.[/QUOTE]"You better think" before you try and drag me into this. I have remained neutral, supporting your right to charge whatever you want. I did throw a flag on some of your comments in the review thread but that is a loooooonnnnnggggggg established rule regarding advertisers defending on the review threads.

My comment was directed at providers that aren't necessarily trying to fill the "high maintenance" niche that you seem to be going after. There is a prize here, the message you have going out to the several hundred to thousand local members who's business you are obviously trying to attract, otherwise why would you have placed the ads?

If you really want to get me off the fence, please feel free. This is all in black, not blue ink, you're more than welcome to respond as you see fit. (You're kind of new around here, I've sort of adopted Sincy and when I write in black like I am now I'm just another guy. [BLUE]When I write in [b]Blue[/b] like this, I'm being the admin[/BLUE]).

It's entirely up to you.

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;1951781]Dawn honey I have always been so fond of you. Yes we have had our differences, but glad we are able to work those out, as I have learned quite a lot from you. I hope in turn I have helped you out some as well. I have haters of course, but to be it's just more publicity, and obviously I am doing something right, or my name wouldn't keep coming out of their mouth. To the one that thinks I don't know what they are up to, I am very aware of it, and it will get you nowhere, so I suggest keeping your opinions and things that you call facts to yourself. Nobody is perfect on this board or anywhere, and never will be. I am sure everyone has skeletons in their closet. Yes I have made mistakes, and I am a much better person because of it.

I do consider myself a more upscale provider, and of course I put Dawn into that category as well. There is another one that posts on this board that I have been conversing with back and forth that is getting right up there as well. But what do you know some of the other ones told her I am not reference friendly, and I don't play well with others. Hmmm I guess more haters. I don't have a problem with giving references as long as I know who you are, and I have actually seen you. Yes there are guys who make up things to try to get an appt, go figure. I have been told by clients that providers will tell them my photos are photo shopped, ummm that I will try to make you exclusive?? WTF Honey I want you to get as much variety as possible, because if not you would have a wife or girlfriend that you would see all the time. The purpose of the provider is to "provide" a way out, or another means of excitement, for just that moment, or however long it lasts. I have regulars since I have started and I am very thankful for that.

I would like to have a Christmas get together for the girls, bury all the hatchets, and be what we are supposed to be...grown adult women, and stop all this hatred. We are supposed to help each other, not hurt each other. So a restaurant in the area, and enjoy each others company. Is that too much to ask?

Oh and Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!! I love each and every one of you all.[/QUOTE]Although, I have never met you, you have said it best. You are spot on right and it is refreshing read from someone's ability to speak against a wrong that has been done by another person. God Bless you for adopting a child. Truly you care about people and children.

Signed Beckham5.

[QUOTE=LilaBella;2021774]"a Porsche costs the same in NY as it does here"[/QUOTE]I don't want to dive into this unproductive argument, but that statement above simply is not factual:

[URL]http://www.motortrend.com[/URL]

As you can see by Motortrend's data, the average new retail price, used / trade-in value, of Porshe products and services indeed fluctuate based on regional economy.

Again, it boils down to this:

[B]Providers are free to charge whatever they believe their time and services are worth, and will either figure out their market niche and adjust accordingly, or they will find another profession.

Hobbyists (it is a hobby and therefore the income is indeed discretionary) have a right to frequent the providers of their choice and give return business to the providers they feel gave them the best experience at a fee they are comfortable with.[/B]

It really is silly to argue about this.

Do I think Lila's price is a bit high? Perhaps, but I don't know because I have not seen her. I can only go off my past experiences and current opportunities. While I might wait and see if she lowers her rates, I will probably still see her even if she doesn't lower her rate.

The true test would be if I would part with the $300 for return visits after I ACTUALLY SPEND TIME WITH HER!

[QUOTE=TheGoodSh;2022428]Glock, buddy. Your pictures are fine and all, but you should look at the girls face when choosing a photo. In this photo, Lexi looks like she's either mentally handicapped, or very drunk, or a bit of both.[/QUOTE]She was high as a kite. But was actually sobering up.

[QUOTE=LilaBella;2022404]You already said you were done, yet here you go again. Obsessed much? If you were, I could understand, I have been told I am rather addictive. I don't recall ever saying you shopped at Walmart, I was making a simple comparison, and I never said I came from Tiffany's, again, it was a simple comparison of stores, not our personal habits or tastes. If you were too dense to get it, my apologies. I'll try and make it simpler next time.

Yes, I only date white gentlemen. That's very true. I have no problem with black men, or any other color of men socially. It's a personal preference. No one said a word, other than you, about black men specifically. It has nothing to do with being robbed, anyone can do that, it has nothing to do with who can and can't afford me, lots of white men can't, and I have plenty of black and other racially diverse friends. I didn't put anything "out there" other than an ad, you're the one that is trying to turn it into something it's clearly not.

Do the same rules apply to you? The more you incessantly complain the more I'm supposed to let some guy that's never met me walk all over me and make far fetched and untrue observations?

Lila Bella.[/QUOTE]As I said before the more you talk. You have plenty of black and racially diverse friends, funny how I've heard that before. But your race preference was put in as a side note however sad but true so instead of getting in a war of words with me why don't you get to posting you still have a lot more states to put your ad up in. You said you will be laid up about 2 weeks, shouldn't you be exercising rehabbing or something? Anything accept trying to convince everybody that you're not some 35 plus year old woman that's trying to be more than you are. And you keep implying that I somehow want you. Again legend in your own mind. I give you credit you are relentless but I can play the dozens with the best. Talk to you later.

I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

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I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]Charger,

This is another topic we do about every 3-4 months.

IMHO, you're not out of line but you're expectations might have been off.

There are a couple providers here that I have been willing to help over the years. I don't regret it. It didn't turn into long running requests for help. They were all "one and done" kind of situations. I did it because someone needed help and in every case, they were a provider I clicked with for some period of time. I know in one case, I was kind of a last resort.

But never (never never) expect some in kind payback of discounted or free services. If it happens. Fine. If it doesn't. Fine. But when you get caught up thinking you have some kind of account balance, you'll always get burned.

As to the "never do another favor for a provider", that's totally up to you. I've found that sometimes the pay it forward game can have its benefits, especially when we're not talking high dollar or high time commitment things. I believe (although I don't have any proof) that when I see these ladies now I get better services, I get more flexibility on scheduling, and I get just that little extra. Can't prove it and it may all be in my mind but my experience tells me to listen, be careful, and don't get overcommitted.

Don't ever be a pushover and have the right expectations (as in "none") and you'll do fine.

Have a great day.

Dz.

There is one rule that I think is over all else. Be honest in your review. If that's what happened, then you should never back down from telling the truth and naming names, no matter how well established a provider is. Even if the provider has 100 stellar reviews, if your experience with her was bad, say so.

1 bad review doesn't ruin 100 good ones. But a succession of them could mean something different.

I had a not so pleasant experience with NattiGFE / Allison / Buttons / etc., who up to that point, had good reviews. But she was late (excusable because I allowed it), and when during the sessions I mentioned multi-pop, she said she didn't do that even though I paid for the whole her and her ad clearly states, "MSOG". When I told her it said so in her ad, she said that it was a mistake. She copied and pasted another provider's ad and she didn't mean to. Eventually, after I told her that I would have no problems kicking her out, she acquiesced. I wrote about, I was honest about it. It was one bad review, and I don't know if it was the catalyst that made her change, but her ads changed to remove the MSOG, then 1 week later, she advertises, "now offering MSOG".

Reviews are not just to alert other mongers of good / bad providers, but it could also be a warning / report card to providers. The smart ones will read their reviews and make adjustments. The ones that don't, well, they don't do as well.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Josh88;2022423]I still wouldn't pay even 1.0.[/QUOTE]I would and I did.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]The general rule, is do not hand out money or favors, unless they are merely a gift. It usually does not work out well if you expect anything else. The only person that can answer that for you is yourself. If the disconnect above ruined your ability to enjoy your time with her in the future, you should let her know and then carry through with not seeing her: say what you mean and mean what you say.

Remember there are always three sides to a hobby story: her side, his side, and what really happened. Eight times out of ten, when a hobbyist complains that they have been taken advantage of by a provider, when all sides of the story come out, you can often see where the whole mess could have been avoided with better communication or foresight. Just off what you gave us, you are not going to like my vote: you fucked up, you trusted her.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]No you are not wrong, you should report it. I had a bad experience last January with a well known high class provider, I said what I needed to say, even though I got flax from others about how they could not believe this person could have done this, it still is what it is and it happened. It does happen in this hobby.

[QUOTE=TheGoodSh;2022428]Glock, buddy. Your pictures are fine and all, but you should look at the girls face when choosing a photo. In this photo, Lexi looks like she's either mentally handicapped, or very drunk, or a bit of both.[/QUOTE]I rather liked the look on her face. But keep in mind that it may be difficult to grin when you have six inches of dildo shoved up your giner. Here is another shot taken just minutes before, minus the dildo.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]Out of line? Well, I suppose not. But I actually think you made out pretty well, considering. Like many here, I've been there and done that many times. Phone minutes, rent money, grocery money for kids, car payment, you name it. The offer is usually similar to your experience.

When I help I am always hopeful, but I never really expect it to be repaid. So before you act, decide this: "Is this someone I'd like to do a favor for?" If so, then help and don't expect to get it back. Just do it as a favor and it is more likely to come back to you than if you really expect it to. I have made some great friends in this way. And had some really awesome "clock off" dates.

This issue has been discussed on the boards for years, and I think the replies usually fall into two categories -- "Don't ever help" and "Help, but don't expect to get it back.".

I don't think I have ever asked a lady to see me for free because I've helped her out. But I have booked a follow-up date, brought a good bottle of wine, and enjoyed her company for a lot more than 30 or 60 minutes. Is it equal or fair? Perhaps not. But if it is someone you really enjoy spending time with, then I think you will make out pretty well.

Be gracious with the lady. See her on her terms. And give her the opportunity to show you that she really is appreciative. Just my two cents worth, as always.

[QUOTE=DNut;2022542]There is one rule that I think is over all else. Be honest in your review. If that's what happened, then you should never back down from telling the truth and naming names, no matter how well established a provider is. Even if the provider has 100 stellar reviews, if your experience with her was bad, say so.

1 bad review doesn't ruin 100 good ones. But a succession of them could mean something different.

I had a not so pleasant experience with NattiGFE / Allison / Buttons / etc., who up to that point, had good reviews. But she was late (excusable because I allowed it), and when during the sessions I mentioned multi-pop, she said she didn't do that even though I paid for the whole her and her ad clearly states, "MSOG". When I told her it said so in her ad, she said that it was a mistake. She copied and pasted another provider's ad and she didn't mean to. Eventually, after I told her that I would have no problems kicking her out, she acquiesced. I wrote about, I was honest about it. It was one bad review, and I don't know if it was the catalyst that made her change, but her ads changed to remove the MSOG, then 1 week later, she advertises, "now offering MSOG".

Reviews are not just to alert other mongers of good / bad providers, but it could also be a warning / report card to providers. The smart ones will read their reviews and make adjustments. The ones that don't, well, they don't do as well.[/QUOTE]DNutt, I agree 100%.

Per hobby custom a review is supposed to be the guy's experience from his point of view. That is a one-sided standard as it has to be. The reviewer's history on other matters affords the rest of us a yardstick to asses the weight that should be given the review. DNut gave us a review of his experience.

What is going on? If a provider wants to see only financially stable white guys what's the big deal? Maybe they believe if they go black they won't go back LOL. As far as high volume rates vs. Low volume rates, if I was on that side of the fence I'd rather see 1 or 2 a week rather then 5 a day, yuke that even sounds gross. I know some of us can afford to see 3 Ladies a week at 150 but balk at one for 300 hmmm. Now does advertising in this arena bruise the ego? Maybe, its kinda like a car salesman trying to sell a Bugatti in the projects, LOL. I know where I from, they keep the rent in the apt. Complexes high, so they only attract a certain client, no section 8 that kind of thing. As far as the racial component, this is America don't forget. If you have a couple bad experiances with black men well, its because there black, and you write off all black men. If you have a bad experiance with a couple white men well, its because they were jerks, so just screen better and ask for references. I'm just saying, All kidding aside, the good thing about this hobby is there is just about someone for everyones price point. What would you charge to let someone do to you what you ask these Ladies to do? I'm just saying. Just choose wisely and treat kindly.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]What one must think about is are we "helping out" with the idea of making a gift from the goodness of our horny monger hearts? Or are we "helping out" with the idea of creating indebtedness that we expect to be repaid?

I've responded to many a call for help in the past. I learned quickly that I wasn't going to be repaid, either in money or time. I guess I can say that I always felt good anyway, just because I was lending a hand to a fellow human in need. However, I have drawn the line in several cases because I felt I was being taken advantage of. And even still, when I know I'm being scammed, I've bought food for a house where a kid was living. Just because I'm a dumbass.

Karma, what goes, comes.

Cheech.

Golden Rule of Mongering. Do unto others, but don't expect them to do unto you.

Actually I've been in a similar situation and knew up front that the "help" I was providing was really going to be a gift. I figured I had the cash and she needed the cash so what the hell.. As long as I was sure she wasn't buying drugs with it.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NdayGuy;2022630]Golden Rule of Mongering. Do unto others, but don't expect them to do unto you.[/QUOTE]I think in summary this is the lesson to be learned. The time or money isn't really the issue they were minimal I was frustrated they did not keep their word and I think clearly I need to reduce my expectations to none, if there is a benefit great but I should plan on there being none even if one is stated. Thanks again all.

Well I appreciate your southern hospitality. I got my glasses on and that gal looks pretty good.

Thanks for sending some food for thought.

Is in the fact that you can feel good about helping someone, even if they've gotten themselves into a problem because of their own (insert reason). Its like putting a few coins in the kettle at Christmas. And, in this case, you might even get to see some good come of your help.

Cheech.

Agreed on the below. However, despite my natural do-good-ness, I have found over the few months that I've been a-mongering that a number of these women are in many ways choosing their destiny. I have offered to help the few who have expressed a supposed interest in getting a "normal" job with their resumes, etc., etc. However, when push came to shove, it almost feels like they want to be doing what they're doing, despite the squalor and uncertainty and hopelessness of it all. "Oh, I left my resume on a friend's computer" or "I can't find the flash drive." Not to get into a deep philosophical discussion or anything, but a guy has to wonder sometimes.

I have found myself increasingly reticent to offer much beyond the standard donation. Don't want to get jaded but it just seems more realistic.

[QUOTE=Cheech1;2022717]Is in the fact that you can feel good about helping someone, even if they've gotten themselves into a problem because of their own (insert reason). Its like putting a few coins in the kettle at Christmas. And, in this case, you might even get to see some good come of your help.

Cheech.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cheech1;2022717]Is in the fact that you can feel good about helping someone, even if they've gotten themselves into a problem because of their own (insert reason). Its like putting a few coins in the kettle at Christmas. And, in this case, you might even get to see some good come of your help.

Cheech.[/QUOTE]House and clothe someone in need Buying a phone card is not the answer in exchange for a half hour POA. Wrong example my friend. These women in general have extreme difficulty managing funds but at least they have a roof over their heads even if they have an air mattress or a blanket on the floor Kettle money can provide three squares a day a place to sleep, toiletries, possibly some used donated clothing and you don't have to go out at 11 pm at night to buy it. You work hard for your money my friend. If you are going to spend it, give it to missions, SA, or another worthy cause but not for phone minutes. Some of the ladies on here even collect money at the holidays for childrens gifts, poor people down on their luck who need help, but doubt any of them give another provider a phone card because they can't managing money. Again I applaud your willingness to be kind and help out a provider in need, but much better ways of giving in the spirit of the holiday and kindness than buying phone minutes for a lady who can't manage her money or make enough to subsidize her lifestyle. JMO and no offense meant.

[QUOTE=Josh88;2022423]I still wouldn't pay even 1.0.[/QUOTE]My friend and partner has the right to spend on a young lady what ever he feels is fair. Yes he has the m money to pay whatever and he has. He can run with the big dogs so those of you who can't stay on the porch. My 02.

[BLUE]Somebody started a thread (years ago, I didn't know it was there) for "a place where providers can tell their side of the story." I deleted it for two reasons;[list]They can do that here.[/list][list]The purpose of the forum is to "provide a place for men to talk about women for sex" nowhere in there does it say we will provide "a place for women to talk about the men who talk about them."[/list]It's not what we do, we aren't interested in doing it. This is a locker room, we aren't interested in equal access and we don't have to be.

Some chicks tell me this is unfair because they don't get to tell their side of the story. My response is always the same; "If you're good at what you do, you won't have to. Your satisfied customers will do it for you." Behind ads posted in the review threads, the next most common shit I have to deal with on the forum is providers quoting some guys review of them and then starting off with "First of all" or "Let me tell you something." Immediately I throw the Completely Pointless Drama flag. Why? Because it's pointless drama, if you're good at what you do your positive reviews will outweigh your negatives 20-1. I have absolutely zero desire to encourage this behavior in anyway. Hence; I deleted the thread.

Ladies, note this is written in blue, you may respond to it if you wish, but you will be talking to the mod with the godlike presence on the forum, not the guy with a tolerant sense of humor. Speak your mind if you wish, but do it civilly and no finger wagging.

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[QUOTE=NdayGuy;2022630]Golden Rule of Mongering. Do unto others, but don't expect them to do unto you.

Actually I've been in a similar situation and knew up front that the "help" I was providing was really going to be a gift. I figured I had the cash and she needed the cash so what the hell.. As long as I was sure she wasn't buying drugs with it.[/QUOTE]I agree. I help my ATF out every now and then when she needs Help. I paid her Rent back in October and I took her Christmas Shopping. She's such a Sweetheart how can I say No to her?

[QUOTE=RonM;2022905]I agree. I help my ATF out every now and then when she needs Help. I paid her Rent back in October and I took her Christmas Shopping. She's such a Sweetheart how can I say No to her?[/QUOTE]I got a girl I'm kinda sweet on here. To the point that I don't see her professionally anymore, (P4 P and emotional involvement is BAAAADDDD JUJU) we have become friends in a limited sense. She wanted to borrow some money the other day for a business deal that overall I support the idea but her plan sucked and was doomed to failure. I showed her how to make a business plan, and told her when she came back to have a plan, and offered to match her dollar for dollar (peso for peso actually) as a long term loan up to an amount I feel comfortable with. I don't want her thinking she can come to me and get bailed out. I want her thinking that I'm willing to help, but I'm not a money well. I'm aware that I might not get the money back if I make the loan and am ok with that.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]
So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.
[/QUOTE]Seriously, in that type of situation, I always get clarification. I'll generally text / call them back to make sure we're both on the same page -- what I'm hearing from her versus what she's telling me. Most of the time, I'm right. A few times, I've been wrong.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]
So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?
[/QUOTE]...we're in the octagon here, so, allow me to be myself for a few minutes.

The girls who think that their time is so valuable, and that they're $DEITY's greatest gift to $BODY_PART are the girls that I specifically stay away from. You can ask some of the providers who know me -- I'll openly tell them that my schedule can be very dynamic, and while it's great to find a time when the stars align where we can see each other at the right time all of the time, there will be times where I'm late, or you're late. I'm not an unreasonable person -- however, if you're more than 15 minutes late and you don't call, I won't answer the door. Period. End of Story. I've *never* had an issue with this policy, and I've had to blacklist providers because of this. I'm up front, honest, and forthright with you, and I expect nothing but the same in return.

[QUOTE=Charger1;2022508]
I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?[/QUOTE]That's what I would be doing in that situation. Write her off.

[QUOTE=RonM;2022905]I agree. I help my ATF out every now and then when she needs Help. I paid her Rent back in October and I took her Christmas Shopping. She's such a Sweetheart how can I say No to her?[/QUOTE]Are you dating her?

[QUOTE=BootyCall;2022842]My friend and partner has the right to spend on a young lady what ever he feels is fair. Yes he has the m money to pay whatever and he has. He can run with the big dogs so those of you who can't stay on the porch. My 02.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I thought this section encouraged Rants, Raves & OPINIONS? I was saying, IMO, I wouldn't do her for 1.0. Maybe a .75 BBBJ? IMO, most big dogs would have better taste than her? IMO, the providers I spent 3.0-7.0 on where of much higher quality than the subject one.

[QUOTE=Josh88;2023160]Sorry, I thought this section encouraged Rants, Raves & OPINIONS? I was saying, IMO, I wouldn't do her for 1.0. Maybe a .75 BBBJ? IMO, most big dogs would have better taste than her? IMO, the providers I spent 3.0-7.0 on where of much higher quality than the subject one.[/QUOTE]Who are you talking about, the girl Lexi that I posted a photo of or LilaBella. No one said anything about spending 3.0 to 7.0 on Lexi. BC and I took it you were referring to Lexi.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2022907][BLUE]Somebody started a thread (years ago, I didn't know it was there) for "a place where providers can tell their side of the story." I deleted it for two reasons;[list]They can do that here.[/list][list]The purpose of the forum is to "provide a place for men to talk about women for sex" nowhere in there does it say we will provide "a place for women to talk about the men who talk about them."[/list]It's not what we do, we aren't interested in doing it. This is a locker room, we aren't interested in equal access and we don't have to be.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]If my memory hasn't completely deserted me, I think Jackson created that thread at Tonguetwister's request. I seem to recall a particular bit of nastiness directed at a number of girls at the time, and they screamed for a platform to defend themselves. Since then, however, it has lain fallow. In fact, for a while I thought this forum was that renamed, until I discovered its dusty remains one day. Like worn out shoes stashed in the attic for years, it deserved a place in the trash bin.

[QUOTE=Phlasher;2023191]If my memory hasn't completely deserted me, I think Jackson created that thread at Tonguetwister's request. I seem to recall a particular bit of nastiness directed at a number of girls at the time, and they screamed for a platform to defend themselves. Since then, however, it has lain fallow. In fact, for a while I thought this forum was that renamed, until I discovered its dusty remains one day. Like worn out shoes stashed in the attic for years, it deserved a place in the trash bin.[/QUOTE][BLUE]I went back and checked the first post before I got rid of it, it was one of you guys who created it specifically for some provider.

It's not that we don't like and respect women, we do. We have lots of rules here to protect them. We just are not interested in having a he said/she said forum and I doubt most of you guys do either.

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As none of it changes minds.

I don't make a clear habit of finance, but I will take opportunity of a chance visit to help someone out, buy the next time, short loan that doesn't equate to much. Anything above and beyond is the chance for someone to walk, regardless of opportunity to make it right.

Question; given the staggering increase of those who utilize the internet from a mobile standpoint is there any chance a working app for this site been considered? I've tried more than once, can't upload pics or easily type out replies. Got on here trying to find a phone number that was in PM's and after numerous tries, gave up.

I don't donate to SA, or the various children's charities, or religiously oriented charities, because IMO the people who run them take way too much of the money for themselves. I much prefer to donate, if I am in a position to do so, directly to the person who will use the donation, money, food, or minutes, whatever. To each their own.

Cheech.