"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I'll jump in here with my $.02. A quality girl who is way above the BP desperada is going to run you $ 1000 to 3000 / month, with $1000 being the minimum amount to play the game at least once / week. This is your basic real life girl who just wants a little extra in life and is not desperately poor.

Look at it this way. A monthly budget amount for a real SB : 1) Average escort rates . $250 / encounter. 2) a decent hotel room $ 100, dinner and drinks $100, gifts and treats $ 100, travel budget $ (don't even go there) ====$550 / meet, or $2200 / month for once / week. For a regular gig you can negotiate a monthly fee probably lower than that, and you can stay in cheaper hotels, shop for dinner at Walmart, and skip the flowers and candy each time, but this is pretty close for a non- hooker, independant upwardly mobile HYCB

My standard sugar amount is $300 per "meet", but I make it clear from the start that my work schedule does not allow a consistent, weekly scheduled meeting. This, I feel, does two things; one, it allows me to keep several babies in play simultaneously if I choose, and two, it puts the impetus on the baby to make things happen if she wants some sugar. That said, I am able to get all the action I can handle for around $1200 to $1500 / month, on average, not including incidentals like hotel, meals, little gifts etc.

I also suggest to the baby that the sugar need not always be bennies. I have bought groceries, outfits, ipods, boots (God, they can be expensive! Who knew?) , purses (ditto) and the like. In my mind, this keeps it less like a p4p situation, and more like a real dating relationship, for both me and the baby.

This may seem like a lot, but apparently in the Chicago area a cursory massage with HJ at the end that lasts 45 minutes from start to finish runs $180 on average, and this from an ancient Chinese woman with a mustache who you are thankful keeps her clothes on. For twice that, you can spend 3 to 4 hours with a hot naked college baby, banging away until your butt cramps. Which would you prefer?

Good luck in your decision making,

Scott

Thanks to both of you for your perspective. I totally understand the rationale for playing this game versus the BP option. I'm probably at best going to be able to keep around 1000 per month from the warden. Hopefully, that will be enough to keep someone interested. Probably not of the caliber you 2 have reached, but at least a step up from BP. I'll keep you all posted on what I find.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1358263]My standard sugar amount is $300 per "meet", but I make it clear from the start that my work schedule does not allow a consistent, weekly scheduled meeting. This, I feel, does two things; one, it allows me to keep several babies in play simultaneously if I choose, and two, it puts the impetus on the baby to make things happen if she wants some sugar. That said, I am able to get all the action I can handle for around $1200 to $1500 / month, on average, not including incidentals like hotel, meals, little gifts etc.

I also suggest to the baby that the sugar need not always be bennies. I have bought groceries, outfits, ipods, boots (God, they can be expensive! Who knew?) , purses (ditto) and the like. In my mind, this keeps it less like a p4p situation, and more like a real dating relationship, for both me and the baby.

This may seem like a lot, but apparently in the Chicago area a cursory massage with HJ at the end that lasts 45 minutes from start to finish runs $180 on average, and this from an ancient Chinese woman with a mustache who you are thankful keeps her clothes on. For twice that, you can spend 3 to 4 hours with a hot naked college baby, banging away until your butt cramps. Which would you prefer?

Good luck in your decision making,

Scott[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=F Scott;1358263]My standard sugar amount is $300 per "meet"[/QUOTE]Either I'm cheap or lucky. I rarely give sugar more than $200, I did $300 once, it was not worth it.

I'm looking at $100 for room, plus the $200, if there is any dinner involved, then another 40-100. So I'm at $300-400 each meet in total anyway.

I'm also have a slightly different approach that straight up SD. However, if I could find one that I trusted enough to skip the Hotel fee, I'd definitely bump it up.

BigTigg

Thanks for the excellent advice. I agree with Subcmdr that you establish your walkaway and then start sorting through them. I have had 4 legitimate bites in 1 week so plenty of fish out there. Just need to keep working it. Keep you posted.

BTW . So SB1, the waitress who happens to be a part time stripper, is a hard negotiator on price. Hard enough that we don't get it done until the last minute and I have to leave town. Then I get the "you don't know how important it is to me to see you this week". If it was so important why were you haggling so hard? Confirms the observations around strippers, etc.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1358583]Either I'm cheap or lucky. I rarely give sugar more than $200, I did $300 once, it was not worth it.[/QUOTE]Tigg,

I tried that when I first started, and got nowhere fast, with the exception of one HYM (hot young mom), who asked for babysitter money on top of $200, so it ended up being $250 anyway. In thinking about her, she was hot, wet and very vocal. I may have to call her again.

Scott

I'm in the same ballpark as most of the other guys here. $200 is my standard amount although I have paid $300 to one SB but for an expended period of time, up to and including overnight. If I'm not really interested in a repeat visit for whatever reason, $100 has been my norm.

[QUOTE=Magic Rat;1358986]I'm in the same ballpark as most of the other guys here. $200 is my standard amount although I have paid $300 to one SB but for an expended period of time, up to and including overnight. If I'm not really interested in a repeat visit for whatever reason, $100 has been my norm.[/QUOTE]Magic,

I'll be in your area in March, so I'm glad to know the average amount of sugar being sprinkled around down there. Any solid leads you might like to share, please pm me.

Scott

[QUOTE=Coolhand2; 1355370]CSB13 (18yrs. 5'6, C cup pierced, just above spinner body)

Two days later received a text significantly reducing the sugar to my max SB amount. I agreed (just one more time) but then she wanted to restrict the amount of time so as to try to reduce the damage to her pussy. I declined saying I would only accept the restrictions of last time which were no restrictions. I held my breath during the ride to the FC and tried to focus on what was to come but it was tough. I wish I could tell you more about her fucking skills but the same thing happened."I'm fucking a 18 yr old. I'm fucking a 18 yr old." On the ride back and I was able to pick out of the "bubble gum" torrent boyfriend issues (he can't support us) and a previous BF being released from custody. I made the decision at this point that this would be it. I noticed later she had canceled her profile on SA.[/QUOTE]The year has just started and you're at the top of the list of "reports to read / follow". My woman on the other side of the room was wondering why I was snickering but I couldn't tell her about this post. Sad but true "I'm fucking a 18 yr old. I'm fucking a 18 yr old."

[QUOTE=Bizzy Muhn;1359016]The year has just started and you're at the top of the list of "reports to read / follow". "[/QUOTE]Biz,

Join us in the pool, the water's fine!

Scott

This thread had been a bible for me the past few months. A few observations, IMO.

I've been playing both the SA sites and as well as fishing on the local CL, and to my surprise lots of the girls that replied to my posts on CL also have profiles on either SA or SD4M, so it seems many of them are out there and are also looking at various venues, and this make me think they are somewhat semi pros and not really amateurs.

Pursuing this game had been very difficult for me, especially one with an SO and a few kids, but I managed to pulled in a few decent chics (19-40). The main problem with this is not budget, since the most I ever shelled out per meet to the babies is 1. 5, but typically 1. 0, I guess I am in a cheaper market than you fellows. The problem is TIME, or lack of it. Many of these girls don't work, and does not have their own transportation so this required a pick up, treck to notel, and drop off which is about 3-4 hours requirement and for someone like me, I just don't have that luxury of time. My only meeting time is during lunch, so that limited my window to play significantly. I would have pulled in a lot more babies if I had the time.

And when it come to sugars, the suggestions here are great. If you're not required to discussed it, don't. Just slipped something in the baby's purse on your way out, just make it a little appropriate (I assumed you know what that mean). And if you are required to put a number up front, make it a monthly allowance (for me that's usually 500-600) a month with promise of gifts, etc when I feel like it. This make it seems some-what easier for the baby to take, versus putting up a number by the hour which often comes off the wrong way.

Obviously, there are some babies that laughed at my monthly allowance and demanded 2k-5k a month, for those I say 'bye bye'. I have a budget, and I am sticking with it. Sure, if my budget were doubled, I should be able to attract more babies, but hey not every man have a nice disposable income in the back pocket (I envied some of you guys. Guess I need a second job.

Again, none of this info is new. Just a reharsh of what had been said many times by the greats in this forum. Again, the best part of this is chasing down (or seducing) a new baby.

Happy new year, and happy hunting fellows.

PS,

Scott, your ex employee is freaking HOT man.

Everytime I try CL I get hit with mega bots and just seems like a waste of time.

How do y'all do it or is it a waste of time?

[QUOTE=Zman429; 1359616]Everytime I try CL I get hit with mega bots and just seems like a waste of time.

How do why'all do it or is it a waste of time?[/QUOTE]If you are going to try the CL route, be prepared for mostly BS and spammers. I have been doing it awhile, so I can almost tell who is fake and who isn't. If the response is a yahoo or hotmail address, I usually check the IP location with whatismyIPaddress. Com. If you are unfamiliar with how to do that, the site does a good job of telling you how. If the IP location comes up to Venezuela, Viet Nam, etc, you know its fake. If its near my home location, then I know I have most likely found a real gal. If they email is a one liner, like,"Will you meet me in Chicago (or whatever city you posted in)" along with a hot pic, its probably fake. You also can check their email by searching Facebook. Many of these gals also do nothing to hide their real names in their emails so you can check their names on FB also. There is nothing 100% in weeding out the fakes, but these are a few of the methods that I use. Some guys may say its too much trouble, and sometimes I am almost of the same opinion. However, I have lucked up on a few hotties through CL, including a hot latina Hooter girl once. Those are few and far between, BELIEVE ME!

I have been reading this tread for some time, and I have been playing with the SBs, UTF girls as well as the pros for some time now. I still exchange email with the 1st SB I met some 6 or 7 years ago, she was an out of town girl I would see when visiting her city. I thought I would post some things that have worked for me over the years to help others.

Saving $:

Hotels can drive up the cost of playing with the UTR or SB but, there are some ways to help cut it some. Look around at the 2nd tire hotels like Best western, some of them have been redone and are good values and the rooms can be just as nice as the higher priced places. When you find a good place see if you can talk to the manager after you have 'stayed' there several times, they may work with you now that travel is down and rooms are setting empty. Think about having a lunch date and a dinner date on the same day, if you don't or can't make a bed give the cleaning crew $5 or$10 to clean it up real quick.

Little gifts, if your plans are to have longer term playmates the day after Valentines is a blessing, silk Rosses and other little gifts are on sale, get them then and be creative. A box of the little candy harts for 50 cents becomes a grand romantic gesture when you put them on the bed in the shape of a hart in 6 months after V day.

The gift to the girl, I never have had any of them ask or tell me about the gift before a play date, but I did have one that wanted more after several meetings (she had lost her job) , I asked her to tell me what she wanted, it was 100 more making it 250. I said I would like to see her 2 times a week for that, it worked and everything was back to normal. I don't look at the 'gift talk' as a bad thing once they have shown their value; I look at it as an opportunity and if things don't work then I can walk away.

If your budget is very restrictive you may want to save, play, save, women have always put a little away all the time, if you think your wife or girls isn't your fooling yourself, be like them and put a little away and build a play fund during times you are not seeing anyone (if that time comes) so that you can play longer or better.

The last thing I want to say is, I always know who I'm playing with, I saw some negative input on 'finding out who they are' here. For me it costs little and ads security and peace of mind, You should never let the girl know you know about her but, ask yourself how you would be effected if a husband showed up, or as has been reported here you got the black mail attempt, there are other things that could come up as well. If you know who your playmates are you can judge the likely hood of these things happening and be ready to deal with them if they do, or choose not to play with that one. I say this from experience for more than one occasion, it's up to each one of us to protect ourselves to the level we feel appropriate while still being aware that our playmates have needs.

Just my thoughts and I hope it helps someone.

Well, after having the profile up on SA for a little over a week, I decided to pay up so I could respond to some interesting nibbles I'd gotten. Maybe three on the line right now, though one might get dropped due to distance. Guess it's time for me to see how well I can play this game, and time to rtff a bit more to see what hints I can pick up.

As the title says, let the games begin!