Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=Barrytwins;3598915]Gentlemen,

What is going on here? Who the hell is paying these ladies 100 for a CBJ outcall? I took the day off yesterday and normally during the day you can get a deal. Almost every girl in the Kennesaw area was asking 100 for covered lip service and not budging. Seriously. I had multiple tell me that is what they are getting now. Those are Buckhead rates and I don't go there because they are way overpriced. I even looked into Marietta and they are saying the same thing. Seriously, who is paying these amounts? Are these really the new rates? Have we let them take control?[/QUOTE]It's getting more and more ridiculous by the day. Just look around on this review site and you'll see exactly where this shit is coming from. I just read some senior guy in the street walker thread paid a fucking street walker 60 bucks for a fucking covered blow job in the backseat of his fucking car. Are you fucking kidding me? Since when do street walkers get 60 bucks on the streets, and for a blow job at that, and a fucking covered one too!! Dude, if street walkers are now getting 60 bucks for a blow job, then I can see backpage outcall chics getting $100 for outcall covered blow jobs.

After all, they have a car and they're driving too you, so that's at least worth 40 bucks, right? Pfft. Ridiculous. You got another senior member inquiring about a chic on backpage who's offering BBFS for $300. Like really? Should there even be any consideration into this? Just look at the back page review threads and you got guys on there rationalizing spending money on chic's who are known to give years of bad service. Guys rationalizing keeping these bad service chic's in business and encouraging other guys to disregard bad reviews (take every review with a grain of salt) and give the bad reviewed chic's a try themselves. As long as these corny ass dudes keep paying these ridiculous ass rates and continue keeping these low-life shit providers on life support, then its only going to get worse and worse.

Didn't you see the reviews of a provider who charges $600 per hour, no kissing, everything covered? She has 4 reviews all of the reviewers said that they had a good time and will repeat. Really? Is all covered service now worth $600 an hour. From years on doing this and reading this review site, nothing surprises me anymore. These chics can charge what ever ridiculous rate they want, look as fat and ugly as they can be, rip as many guys off as possible, and dumb ass will still line up outside to see these chics.

There are no rates, no amount of bad reviews, half-assed service, rip offs, bad hygiene, that will keep these stupid horny tricks from being stupid horny tricks. Just pay your usual rates and stick to your rules. Don't let these corny ass overpaying simps dictate what you value a chic's service to be. You will never stop these cornballs from overpaying, rationalization why they should visit chics with miles upon miles of bad reviews, simping and getting ripped off by the same stupid scams year after year. Just pay your rate and keep it moving. You'll find someone humble enough to take your money off of you.

Lastly, if you don't know already, most "mongers" have very low standards. When they're in heat and need a release, no provider is off limits to them. If she is the only one to answer the phone and he's in his hotel room jacking off all day, it doesn't matter what ridiculous rate she throws at him, he's going to bite on it. These broads know that. That's why most outcall chics use fake pics and charge high rates, because they know there are horny drunk ass dudes sitting in their hotel rooms desperate to get laid. They will pay $100 for a CBJ just to let one go.

[QUOTE=KnightCrawler;3600286]To be honest, I always take reviewers post with a grain of salt. The results have been 50/50. But then, that's the nature of the hobby. Regardless of what life choices led providers to 'do' what they 'do' does not make them immune to the crap anyone not in the 'life' would have to deal with. I would say it only encourages the negative behavior. That aside, I've seen a number of providers that a fellow monger that posts frequently here that reported receiving poor service. While that person reported a bad experience, I had a great time and have repeated. Not bashing the guy, but I think a lot of it has to do with the approach and how you treat them.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RondaColdSon;3600122]You sir have never seen Shelby based off your comment. At the time I didn't mind throwing her a 20 and saying I'll catch her next time on the days she smelled bad. Anyone that has seen Shelby knows that she WAS worth visiting, but I think the drugs have really taken over. I haven't seen her since the voicemail threatening to cut my dick off actually. If she stopped doing drugs and started hosting closer to the city I certainly would see her again though.

I pay 80-120 a QV depending on face AND location. And if that is truly 2-3 times the price you pay then I don't want to see any chick you're seeing in the first place. I generally don't see motel providers unless it is a provider I seen before in a upscale 4 star location multiple times. Unless at some point they were a pornstar like Shelby Paige (I actually paid 60) And there was some skinny white girl notorious on here known for setting guys up. A shit ton of reviews saying she ran off with the money or something. I can't think of her name off the top of my head but she was skinny, blonde her and a lot of acne. I never seen her before other than the pictures posted..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RondaColdSon;3598722]But back to women. I see reviews on here often about girls who are clock watchers and are labeled as not worth seeing. I visit them once and cum before time but I'm not rushed out. And sometimes I end up getting more after visiting them regularly. In fact there is one provider that just let me chill for a couple of course because business was slow and only charged me HHR rate. The provider is known for not giving people their time based off reviews. I think people should take these reviews with a grain of salt. A lot of these people complaint are fat, old, creepy or stink. Can you really blame these bitches for trying to wrap up the time? However, if a ***** is known to rob / scam I think you should keep it moving and not give that ***** time of day just to avoid drama.

Also sushi quality varies a lot on location. Some people are sushi snobs and would swear anything that isn't from Umi in Buckhead is absolutely horrible and you shouldn't waste money on it. I myself would say never buy grocery store sushi after trying it but I know a friend that stuffs his face with it all the time.[/QUOTE]I don't want to clog of the backpage reviews thread with this so I'll place it here. Dudes, are you fucking kidding me. Now, we have dudes that are of the belief that you should take "every" review you read with a grain of salt. Really? We're going to have to start fitting you dudes with a "Simp Hat" and start numbering yall. The mods need to start numbering yall "simps" and placing "Simp #" such and such under your names so we could know who reviews to really take with a grain of salt. I can't believe there are guys on here that believe you should not believe any reviews, whether bad service, bad hygiene or rip off and you should go see any chic regardless of how many bad reviews she has. Really?

Funny thing is, I look at you guys (the ones that believe that every review should be taken with a grain of salt) previous reviews and noticed a similar trend in your reviews. There is essentially no chic that you reviewed that you would not go back to see again. I read some of your reviews and you guys got bad rushed service from a chic and at the end of your review, you write "I'll probably still repeat with her, she probably just had an off day". WTF! Really? You dudes are the perfect definition of a "SIMP". Come on dudes, a chic rushes you, she doesn't take her shirt off, she limits the positions you can do, she has bad hygiene, she is on drugs, she threatens to cut your dick off and you still may repeat with her again at a later date.

Are you fucking kidding me? Simpery at its best. Dudes, come on, get a fucking backbone. These chics are not the only chics selling ass in Atlanta. You guys act like your living in Buttfuck, Mississippi or something. The excess supply off ass in Atlanta there should be no reason why you should contemplate visiting a chic who is known for giving bad service, especially if you personally was the victim of said bad service. How can you guys be so forgiven with your hard-earned money. Were you guys abused as kids? That's exactly why there are so many "bad providers" on BP right now, you simps are feeding these scum bags. Your making excuses for them, blaming "mongers" for approaching them wrong and being fat and nasty, when you should blame the provider that placed the ad on backpage and signed up for this job.

I can't believe you guys are now dissing reviewers / mongers and blaming it on them for getting bad service and not the other way around. This is ridiculous! I can't believe what I just read. Really??

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3600458]I don't want to clog of the backpage reviews thread with this so I'll place it here. Dudes, are you fucking kidding me. Now, we have dudes that are of the belief that you should take "every" review you read with a grain of salt. Really? We're going to have to start fitting you dudes with a "Simp Hat" and start numbering yall. The mods need to start numbering yall "simps" and placing "Simp #" such and such under your names so we could know who reviews to really take with a grain of salt. I can't believe there are guys on here that believe you should not believe any reviews, whether bad service, bad hygiene or rip off and you should go see any chic regardless of how many bad reviews she has. Really?

Funny thing is, I look at you guys (the ones that believe that every review should be taken with a grain of salt) previous reviews and noticed a similar trend in your reviews. There is essentially no chic that you reviewed that you would not go back to see again. I read some of your reviews and you guys got bad rushed service from a chic and at the end of your review, you write "I'll probably still repeat with her, she probably just had an off day". WTF! Really? You dudes are the perfect definition of a "SIMP". Come on dudes, a chic rushes you, she doesn't take her shirt off, she limits the positions you can do, she has bad hygiene, she is on drugs, she threatens to cut your dick off and you still may repeat with her again at a later date.

Are you fucking kidding me? Simpery at its best. Dudes, come on, get a fucking backbone. These chics are not the only chics selling ass in Atlanta. You guys act like your living in Buttfuck, Mississippi or something. The excess supply off ass in Atlanta there should be no reason why you should contemplate visiting a chic who is known for giving bad service, especially if you personally was the victim of said bad service. How can you guys be so forgiven with your hard-earned money. Were you guys abused as kids? That's exactly why there are so many "bad providers" on BP right now, you simps are feeding these scum bags. Your making excuses for them, blaming "mongers" for approaching them wrong and being fat and nasty, when you should blame the provider that placed the ad on backpage and signed up for this job.

I can't believe you guys are now dissing reviewers / mongers and blaming it on them for getting bad service and not the other way around. This is ridiculous! I can't believe what I just read. Really??[/QUOTE]You are right on brother, I would never see any girl who have a bed review here and I would be skeptical about the good review too because there are lot fake reviews here as well.

I live in Atlanta but travel for a job, it is very hard to find a good reliable provider anywhere in US. I have found only in Atlanta area and a few more in Knoxville since it is a small town. I monger alll over the place and it is very hard find good providers in US. I wish they would legalize prostitution in here in US and all the cash and dash would disapera.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3600458]I don't want to clog of the backpage reviews thread with this so I'll place it here. Dudes, are you fucking kidding me. Now, we have dudes that are of the belief that you should take "every" review you read with a grain of salt. Really? We're going to have to start fitting you dudes with a "Simp Hat" and start numbering yall. The mods need to start numbering yall "simps" and placing "Simp #" such and such under your names so we could know who reviews to really take with a grain of salt. I can't believe there are guys on here that believe you should not believe any reviews, whether bad service, bad hygiene or rip off and you should go see any chic regardless of how many bad reviews she has. Really?

Funny thing is, I look at you guys (the ones that believe that every review should be taken with a grain of salt) previous reviews and noticed a similar trend in your reviews. There is essentially no chic that you reviewed that you would not go back to see again. I read some of your reviews and you guys got bad rushed service from a chic and at the end of your review, you write "I'll probably still repeat with her, she probably just had an off day". WTF! Really? You dudes are the perfect definition of a "SIMP". Come on dudes, a chic rushes you, she doesn't take her shirt off, she limits the positions you can do, she has bad hygiene, she is on drugs, she threatens to cut your dick off and you still may repeat with her again at a later date.

Are you fucking kidding me? Simpery at its best. Dudes, come on, get a fucking backbone. These chics are not the only chics selling ass in Atlanta. You guys act like your living in Buttfuck, Mississippi or something. The excess supply off ass in Atlanta there should be no reason why you should contemplate visiting a chic who is known for giving bad service, especially if you personally was the victim of said bad service. How can you guys be so forgiven with your hard-earned money. Were you guys abused as kids? That's exactly why there are so many "bad providers" on BP right now, you simps are feeding these scum bags. Your making excuses for them, blaming "mongers" for approaching them wrong and being fat and nasty, when you should blame the provider that placed the ad on backpage and signed up for this job.

I can't believe you guys are now dissing reviewers / mongers and blaming it on them for getting bad service and not the other way around. This is ridiculous! I can't believe what I just read. Really??[/QUOTE]They are the kind of guys that let their wives / girlfriends / mothers / sisters or any other woman push them around tell them what to do and they kind of like it. We call them wussies where I come from (half wimp half pussy). They don't know any better, they have been well trained and there is nothing you or I can say or do that will change their programmed minds. I suspect, they would repeat with a girl that treated them well. That will not happen, for two reasons, one, they "think" they all treat them well, and two, these girls can smell a wussy from the first call or text. They are like sharks to blood. There are so many of them out there, hence the inflated prices and GPS epidemic.

So don't be hard on them Johnny, the know not what they do.

Chumps and Capt. Save-a-Hoes. I don't care if she's sucking dicks behind a dumpster on FIB, or some granny jerking dicks in the basement as hubby watches, jerking his, or a 'one of kind special lady on SA' seeking a sugar daddy. If they taking your money, they hoes and a monger should act accordingly.

GBs used to be $ and under, 20 guys would come through. Now organizers are asking for $. 5/ $. 6 and wonder why so many mongers flake.

[QUOTE=JusTheTip;3635701]GBs used to be $ and under, 20 guys would come through. Now organizers are asking for $. 5/ $. 6 and wonder why so many mongers flake.[/QUOTE]The last one I attended was kick in for the room and the party favors and you're good.

[QUOTE=BufordDad;3636605]The last one I attended was kick in for the room and the party favors and you're good.[/QUOTE]Yep done those types, if you can find a women who wants multiple guys or just a ho trying to make some bank for rent or Christmas presents.

Another thing I wanted to address. Which other state or city in the USA where your going to find a better variety of hoes on backpage. I'll admit, 90% of backpage and craigslist is pure garbage, but what other city can you find a better selection of "hoes". You can go to backpage, craiglist, strip club, outside, sugar babies, street walkers, etc. There is like a never ending supply here in Atlanta. I find it highly offensive when an outsider, especially from Los Angeles, can come on here talking about "that's the type of service your getting on backpage".

Well, what kind of service do you expect on backpage? Guys expecting chics to converse with them and give them a massage before the session. LOL. Surprise, your on backpage you fucking moron. Last time I checked, there are no requirements, besides having an internet connection, to posting an ad on backpage. These are no professional escorts on backpage so don't expect professional service.

If you want a massage and conversation before you hand over your dough, then research escorting agencies in Atlanta. Dudes sifting through the reviews in the backpage section and surprised that chics are not conversing with clients and its a quick in and out thing. I mean, what do you expect from backpage. You don't want the "lowest priced dumpster trash" you need not be sifting through reviews in the "Backpage Advertiser Reviews".

You need to be sifting through the "Escort Reviews" section. Your in the wrong section. Guys, looking for Rib Eye Steak at cheap meat prices. Ridiculous. I don't know any city in the USA where the standard for backpage hoes is to talk to clients thoroughly before the session and to help them dress and walk them down to their cars. Some of you dudes are living in a fantasy world. And once again, if I look through you old post history and see that you have a inclining for banging street walkers, you should have no say in criticizing anyone.

Infact, backpage should be a huge upgrade from banging a crackhead in the backseat of you Porshe. The nerves of some of you non-writing / crackhead -street walking banging dudes are ridiculous. What do you dudes expect out of backpage? You'll be lucky to get a chic who's not strung out on drugs, or pimped out or worn out. Most of backpage is garbage!! Only 10 percent of backpage is worth a fuck.

And the amount of money you spend on backpage does not equate better service. There are plenty of simps who spend $300 and get ripped off. Infact, I thought the idea was to get the most bang for you buck, not to see who can pay more for a qv. That's another thing. Since when is bragging about how much you pay for or don't pay for a qv, a good thing. Guys bragging about paying $125 for a qv and wouldn't dare pay for a $60 qv as if he's getting something better at $125.

Surprise!! The only thing your getting better is looks and location. That's it!! Most of those high-priced qv girls are a waste of time and self-entitled brats. They feel as if they're doing you a favor at that rate and that rate is really a suckas rate. If your paying over $100 and everything is covered, you've been suckered. I don't care what you say. This is why those girls are always targeting a certain age and race of guys. They know were are desperate and gullible enough to pay a ridiculous rate for half-assed service.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3646651]Another thing I wanted to address. Which other state or city in the USA where your going to find a better variety of hoes on backpage. I'll admit, 90% of backpage and craigslist is pure garbage, but what other city can you find a better selection of "hoes". You can go to backpage, craiglist, strip club, outside, sugar babies, street walkers, etc. There is like a never ending supply here in Atlanta. I find it highly offensive when an outsider, especially from Los Angeles, can come on here talking about "that's the type of service your getting on backpage".

Well, what kind of service do you expect on backpage? Guys expecting chics to converse with them and give them a massage before the session. LOL. Surprise, your on backpage you fucking moron. Last time I checked, there are no requirements, besides having an internet connection, to posting an ad on backpage. These are no professional escorts on backpage so don't expect professional service.

If you want a massage and conversation before you hand over your dough, then research escorting agencies in Atlanta. Dudes sifting through the reviews in the backpage section and surprised that chics are not conversing with clients and its a quick in and out thing. I mean, what do you expect from backpage. You don't want the "lowest priced dumpster trash" you need not be sifting through reviews in the "Backpage Advertiser Reviews".

You need to be sifting through the "Escort Reviews" section. Your in the wrong section. Guys, looking for Rib Eye Steak at cheap meat prices. Ridiculous. I don't know any city in the USA where the standard for backpage hoes is to talk to clients thoroughly before the session and to help them dress and walk them down to their cars. Some of you dudes are living in a fantasy world. And once again, if I look through you old post history and see that you have a inclining for banging street walkers, you should have no say in criticizing anyone.

Infact, backpage should be a huge upgrade from banging a crackhead in the backseat of you Porshe. The nerves of some of you non-writing / crackhead -street walking banging dudes are ridiculous. What do you dudes expect out of backpage? You'll be lucky to get a chic who's not strung out on drugs, or pimped out or worn out. Most of backpage is garbage!! Only 10 percent of backpage is worth a fuck.

And the amount of money you spend on backpage does not equate better service. There are plenty of simps who spend $300 and get ripped off. Infact, I thought the idea was to get the most bang for you buck, not to see who can pay more for a qv. That's another thing. Since when is bragging about how much you pay for or don't pay for a qv, a good thing. Guys bragging about paying $125 for a qv and wouldn't dare pay for a $60 qv as if he's getting something better at $125.

Surprise!! The only thing your getting better is looks and location. That's it!! Most of those high-priced qv girls are a waste of time and self-entitled brats. They feel as if they're doing you a favor at that rate and that rate is really a suckas rate. If your paying over $100 and everything is covered, you've been suckered. I don't care what you say. This is why those girls are always targeting a certain age and race of guys. They know were are desperate and gullible enough to pay a ridiculous rate for half-assed service.[/QUOTE]Wow, you really hit the nail on the head. I admire your bravery to speak such truths on this site. I would get an infraction or be banned if I spoke the truth like you.

We are still preaching to the choir though, simps aren't going anywhere and they are making the game harder. I also hate idiots who brag about spending lots on a Backpage bird. They are bragging about being simps, how pathetic.

Every once in a while one of those old and stupid simps gets killed. Just like the old simp spending top dollar on street walkers who got murdered on Glenwood. That was a good thing, I wish it would happen more often. Unfortunately, simps aren't going anywhere and they aren't learning anything new. Let them get used, some of those cucked idiots are married and love being treated like crap.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3646651]Another thing I wanted to address. Which other state or city in the USA where your going to find a better variety of hoes on backpage. I'll admit, 90% of backpage and craigslist is pure garbage, but what other city can you find a better selection of "hoes". You can go to backpage, craiglist, strip club, outside, sugar babies, street walkers, etc. There is like a never ending supply here in Atlanta. I find it highly offensive when an outsider, especially from Los Angeles, can come on here talking about "that's the type of service your getting on backpage".

Well, what kind of service do you expect on backpage? Guys expecting chics to converse with them and give them a massage before the session. LOL. Surprise, your on backpage you fucking moron. Last time I checked, there are no requirements, besides having an internet connection, to posting an ad on backpage. These are no professional escorts on backpage so don't expect professional service.

If you want a massage and conversation before you hand over your dough, then research escorting agencies in Atlanta. Dudes sifting through the reviews in the backpage section and surprised that chics are not conversing with clients and its a quick in and out thing. I mean, what do you expect from backpage. You don't want the "lowest priced dumpster trash" you need not be sifting through reviews in the "Backpage Advertiser Reviews"..[/QUOTE]You sure are a butthurt crybaby aren't you, can dish it out but can't take it?

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I don't know who is aware, but check out this counter. In 4 days on December. 16th welfare cuts take place. 25% cuts to welfare and section 8, plus there will be new rules that recipients have to work if they are able-bodied.

Now, I have never been on welfare and I don't know of anyone who is on it.

I do wonder how this will effect the monger economics though. I expect more hoodrat baby Mamas to be offering BBBJCIM for even more reasonable prices.

I expect the streetwalker prospects to rise GREATLY!

Face it, there are just some lazy azz birds who live off the system and don't know any other way to survive; or refuse to get their lives together.

It sounds bad, but I plan to take advantage of these new cuts. I will be patrolling Glenwood, Lakewood and other hoods for new talent.

BP and CL prospects should increase as well.

We never have much political discussions here. What do you guys think of Trump's welfare cuts, will they MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN?

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3650954][URL]http://www.welfarecutscountdown.com[/URL]

I don't know who is aware, but check out this counter. In 4 days on December. 16th welfare cuts take place. 25% cuts to welfare and section 8, plus there will be new rules that recipients have to work if they are able-bodied.

Now, I have never been on welfare and I don't know of anyone who is on it.

I do wonder how this will effect the monger economics though. I expect more hoodrat baby Mamas to be offering BBBJCIM for even more reasonable prices.

I expect the streetwalker prospects to rise GREATLY!

Face it, there are just some lazy azz birds who live off the system and don't know any other way to survive; or refuse to get their lives together.

It sounds bad, but I plan to take advantage of these new cuts. I will be patrolling Glenwood, Lakewood and other hoods for new talent.

BP and CL prospects should increase as well.

We never have much political discussions here. What do you guys think of Trump's welfare cuts, will they MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN?[/QUOTE]While I don't plan on trolling hoodrat mamas in the projects I'll have to admit that the menu of girls doing massages and rubs during the last recession was great for the hobby. Seems like when the economy got a bit straightened out they all went back to work. Not sure there is any good signs for that crowd but would agree with you that there should be an up-tick in at least the offerings and maybe at a discount.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3650954][URL]http://www.welfarecutscountdown.com[/URL]

I don't know who is aware, but check out this counter. In 4 days on December. 16th welfare cuts take place. 25% cuts to welfare and section 8, plus there will be new rules that recipients have to work if they are able-bodied.

Now, I have never been on welfare and I don't know of anyone who is on it.

I do wonder how this will effect the monger economics though. I expect more hoodrat baby Mamas to be offering BBBJCIM for even more reasonable prices.

I expect the streetwalker prospects to rise GREATLY!

Face it, there are just some lazy azz birds who live off the system and don't know any other way to survive; or refuse to get their lives together.

It sounds bad, but I plan to take advantage of these new cuts. I will be patrolling Glenwood, Lakewood and other hoods for new talent.

BP and CL prospects should increase as well.

We never have much political discussions here. What do you guys think of Trump's welfare cuts, will they MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN?[/QUOTE]If we get rid of all of the shit that plagues this country then, yes, those efforts will make this country great again. Obama was a political pussy, too scared to do anything unless it could possibly benefit his legacy.

Trump is not the perfect president, but at least he's trying. Your insinuation is lame, but cute: 'Now, I have never been on welfare and I don't know of anyone who is on it. ' I'd bet you know many but would never admit it.

I personally don't know anyone who would consider asking for a handout. If they did, I would continue to do what I've done in the past.

[blue]you mean like these guys? [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/03/17/the-united-states-of-subsidies-the-biggest-corporate-winners-in-each-state/?utm_term=.2fe8781e80fa[/url]

Or Walmart? You pay the medical insurance and food stamps for 95% of Walmart Employees. Lets not forget where the spend those food stamps.

[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/#40f61905720b[/url]

Billions of dollars, the twos and fews that individuals take don't even compare.

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