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[QUOTE=SageSix;7213448]Valid point, except if I *feel* something is a fast food value I will paid <$200 and if something its luxury food value then I will go over $200.

Then if its 2nd visit, I will pay base on past experience and build from that.

If one is just there for quick release and just to fill up their belly, then $200 standard rate is perfectly fine too. Quick and easy

Or if you like some foreplay and massage before the main course and booked a 1 hour session and had a great time. Then pay what you think it's worth and not what it should worth. Especially those who has tried 4 hands and 6 hands and has achieved King of the World.

Of course, being a regular you get perks and special treatments ^_^ for those that made it there.

I don't know, I feel like we should also take inflation into account, after all it doesn't worth the same year by year. JK $_$[/QUOTE]Very valid & fair pts indeed I have paid premium or more because of the nuance of the overall experience with mostly one woman who really takes a liking to me & I to her. She has been total GFE with me & has texted me often & to me it's worth it. It all depends on what one values in said experience & how they feel within that experience with said masseuse. It's subjective at best. I don't believe personally folks paying $80 for FS as some have suggested or $200 total unless & I could be wrong but imo, unless:

1. Women is older & not as much clients.

2. Chemistry with said girl & being a regular going to see her weekly-monthly or in between that time frame.

3. Not as attractive.

4. Slow days & she'll take just about anything.

Again I can be wrong with any of these. However, I think at best perhaps $240-300 with hr massage plus FS. Of course as you indicated their is a possibility of skipping massage & just sex for $140-200 etc or even getting 30 minute massage than FS. Not saying it's impossible & that it couldn't be any reason that I didn't listed. I'm just under that belief for most folks that it's $240-300 areas particularly for 60 min massage than FS etc or perhaps they can even mean just a BBBJ or CBJ, hand job with massage etc so who knows but yeah is what it is. If folks can get less for a massage plus FS cool. Think either way it's worth a shot to get lower esp if they get 3-4 customers a day at $100 min per day that's $300 in a day & $8400 a month. I'm sure a percentage goes to shop & they may get 70 or so Maybe 50/50 split between owner of shop & masseuses. Either way monthly low in they can make between $4000 & as high as 8 k-10 k & that's untaxed ofc. I think it's fair for $200 overall for a massage & poonani. Think more clients will frequent more but I get it supply & demand. For me I'm only going mostly once a month & at times twice a month so I don't mind paying slightly higher than most. However, negotiations tactics should be discussed some all open to it thanks for sharing your perspective.

My perspectives on this are.

I can find incall providers (some I've already seen and had a pleasurable time with) for a price range from $160 - $220 for a hh that I know I won't have to haggle or negotiate with at all (there's only ONE reason to visit them, and a massage ain't it! I'll get to see a photo of them beforehand, or have met them already, and I'll pretty much know what I'm getting into.

So, to ME, the key allure for an AMP is 1) Variety and 2) a fairly reliable price cap; but one I'll have to negotiate for; luckily, my negotiations have been short (and sweet). The downsides are 1) Not having a preview 2) the language barrier, which pretty much prohibits any kind of "connection" and 3) the limitation to just Asian women.

Thus, it kind of depends on what I'm looking for in the moment. If I just need a release without any connection, the AMP is probably a better bet than a higher rate (where you're talking $240 - 300 for a hh) for new "strange" that you can preview first, and read reviews of ahead of time, but risk is, you don't know what the chemistry will be. Even with reviews and previews, you will at times be disappointed. Late last year I saw a very well reviewed and previewed provider who I thought would rock my world, and I was completely underwhelmed, almost to the point of wishing I had never bothered. Them's the breaks sometimes.

If I want to be sure I won't be disappointed, or don't want to spend / risk a lot, I can always return to one I've seen before (one provider I know I can see for a "grandfathered" 220 rate is possibly the best in the business, but of course, she's also very familiar now and doesn't fit the bill if I want "variety"; I go catch up with her about once per year).

I guess the short answer (for those of you who don't like these long-winded posts): Depends.

[QUOTE=Mixedplate89;7213466]Very valid & fair pts indeed I have paid premium or more because of the nuance of the overall experience with mostly one woman who really takes a liking to me & I to her. She has been total GFE with me & has texted me often & to me it's worth it. It all depends on what one values in said experience & how they feel within that experience with said masseuse. It's subjective at best. I don't believe personally folks paying $80 for FS as some have suggested or $200 total unless & I could be wrong but imo, unless:

1. Women is older & not as much clients.

2. Chemistry with said girl & being a regular going to see her weekly-monthly or in between that time frame.

3. Not as attractive.

4. Slow days & she'll take just about anything.

Again I can be wrong with any of these. However, I think at best perhaps $240-300 with hr massage plus FS. Of course as you indicated their is a possibility of skipping massage & just sex for $140-200 etc or even getting 30 minute massage than FS. Not saying it's impossible & that it couldn't be any reason that I didn't listed. I'm just under that belief for most folks that it's $240-300 areas particularly for 60 min massage than FS etc or perhaps they can even mean just a BBBJ or CBJ, hand job with massage etc so who knows but yeah is what it is. If folks can get less for a massage plus FS cool. Think either way it's worth a shot to get lower esp if they get 3-4 customers a day at $100 min per day that's $300 in a day & $8400 a month. I'm sure a percentage goes to shop & they may get 70 or so Maybe 50/50 split between owner of shop & masseuses. Either way monthly low in they can make between $4000 & as high as 8 k-10 k & that's untaxed ofc. I think it's fair for $200 overall for a massage & poonani. Think more clients will frequent more but I get it supply & demand. For me I'm only going mostly once a month & at times twice a month so I don't mind paying slightly higher than most. However, negotiations tactics should be discussed some all open to it thanks for sharing your perspective.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Urlboffer;7214183]My perspectives on this are.

I can find incall providers (some I've already seen and had a pleasurable time with) for a price range from $160 - $220 for a hh that I know I won't have to haggle or negotiate with at all (there's only ONE reason to visit them, and a massage ain't it! I'll get to see a photo of them beforehand, or have met them already, and I'll pretty much know what I'm getting into.[/QUOTE]Great add & I enjoy in depth responses so thank you for that. Yeah I usually do an hour & than boom boom or 15 minutes of massage than flip than boom boom.

Than rest of time massage in areas of need. It's definitely a risk going to new places etc & wasting time & perhaps money. I have some go to places where rate is fairly guaranteed at $260 for hr massage plus boom boom etc, but it's far for me living in Beaverton in the Tanasbourne area to go over to Holgate in deeper Portland SE etc. I'm definitely either going there for my bday next week plus or a spot I go to in Beaverton they're at least 2-3 options I have but I do want to at least have 10 options on familiarity where what you're describing per se in your review is the dynamic for me & any way you slice it it's trial & error initially for everyone.

The saying for me is you got to be willing to take L's at times in life overall with anything to get to the W's. As for photos yeah I'd text places & they provided photos & the main go to's for me mostly was accurate with slight enhancement & it was great. At this pt though I am considering just going in for FS especially being it's going to make it cheaper or half hour. Some of the places I go to the massage is solid. I do have my main go to spot called aloha massage in Beaverton when I just want an excellent massage & healing I go there only. They're times I went to a AMP to get off etc then headed there after to get an hr massage cause most of these AMP the massage ain't legit plus lots of sexual touching etc LOL & light touching to stimulate and get man X hard LOL etc.

I would think they want house fee of massage so as a rookie AMP guy, didn't know that was an option to just get right into the action but wouldn't mind it. $160-220 yeah that's solid. Lowest I paid was about $180-$220 with someone I built chemistry with but ofc most men like new poonani LOL so it is what it is but like you said it's always good to have ole reliable in your pocket to pull out when needed. So I got to be smarter about this as a rookie AMP dude just starting like a month to 2 months or so now.

Yeah the language barrier LOL in the middle of massage etc phones got to be pulled out LOL and time taken away just to communicate properly LOL so yeah it can take away from quality & time & make things a little unpleasant but once those kinks are worked out you good. For me Asian women are my favorite ethnic of women with Latina being second. I don't mind just FS by Asian women mostly etc. I would like variety of different ethnic ofc, but I don't think their is an MP place that isn't Asian that offers FS etc to my knowledge unless you do escorts, street walkers or peeps advertising themselves on Craigslist & other sites in which I'm not as interested in personally but I'd be open to it but idk seems even more risky than an AMP or meeting up at a hotel or these agencies type of stuff.

The girls do tend to alternate too in these AMP's so that also can be a problem cause if you like one she can go to a different state as some of the ones I liked have or just overall another shop but that's why you get their numbers ofc & they tell you where they went to as some girls I frequent with do. That's true on previews / reviews. I went to a place called nice spa in Beaverton where a bud of mine previewed a girl named Eengie. I had a disappointing experience with her, as she complained about my dick being too big & said she liked small dicks plus she was very pushy on tips & asked me in middle of sex if I came already LOL trying to rush me & cut out time short of an hr to HH smh & went to deal with likely a regular. I'll never see her again. Massage was okay though. Yeah, I'm glad my homie enjoyed himself but me yeah it was disappointing. However, another girl came in name candy who was older but a sexy MILF with a banging body as she didn't charge for a HJ, plus some BJ action and boob action etc & some massage. I should of got her. I'm generally into younger women but always wanted to fuck a MILF. I would of had a great time with her but yeah just to lend to your example of previews / reviews of places I never been to plus no pics of girls either & relying on my homie's review of girls plus she wasn't as attractive as he said either which is subjective ofc but to him she was a 7, to me a 6 but her tatas were natural & she didn't really have an ass LOL as he said but yeah, it happens learning experience but it lead me to candy who didn't charge extra & told me even for HJ & BJ plus being able to fill up on her, no extra charge. She finished what Eengie didn't plus set the table for when I see her next time.

Yeah I hear ya bro. $220 grandfather rate is solid so yeah I feel you. Great stuff man. Thanks for sharing. I can't wait for my bday weekend near mid March. I may try two one reliable & another new one or that candy chick at nice spa. Be well AMP brother salute.

[QUOTE=Urlboffer;7214183]My perspectives on this are.

I can find incall providers (some I've already seen and had a pleasurable time with) for a price range from $160 - $220 for a hh that I know I won't have to haggle or negotiate with at all (there's only ONE reason to visit them, and a massage ain't it! I'll get to see a photo of them beforehand, or have met them already, and I'll pretty much know what I'm getting into.

So, to ME, the key allure for an AMP is 1) Variety and 2) a fairly reliable price cap; but one I'll have to negotiate for; luckily, my negotiations have been short (and sweet). The downsides are 1) Not having a preview 2) the language barrier, which pretty much prohibits any kind of "connection" and 3) the limitation to just Asian women.

Thus, it kind of depends on what I'm looking for in the moment. If I just need a release without any connection, the AMP is probably a better bet than a higher rate (where you're talking $240 - 300 for a hh) for new "strange" that you can preview first, and read reviews of ahead of time, but risk is, you don't know what the chemistry will be. Even with reviews and previews, you will at times be disappointed. Late last year I saw a very well reviewed and previewed provider who I thought would rock my world, and I was completely underwhelmed, almost to the point of wishing I had never bothered. Them's the breaks sometimes.

If I want to be sure I won't be disappointed, or don't want to spend / risk a lot, I can always return to one I've seen before (one provider I know I can see for a "grandfathered" 220 rate is possibly the best in the business, but of course, she's also very familiar now and doesn't fit the bill if I want "variety"; I go catch up with her about once per year).

I guess the short answer (for those of you who don't like these long-winded posts): Depends.[/QUOTE]Before 2020 there were a few apartment / motel setups for 1. 6 for the hour. The quality of the girl was always a crapshoot but at least there was a bed. Sometimes you get a fat, ugly and sometimes you may get a cute spinner. Come to think of it, the massage girls these days many seem into pleasing and less robotic dead fishes like before.

[QUOTE=Mixedplate89;7213466]Very valid & fair pts indeed I have paid premium or more because of the nuance of the overall experience with mostly one woman who really takes a liking to me & I to her. She has been total GFE with me & has texted me often & to me it's worth it. It all depends on what one values in said experience & how they feel within that experience with said masseuse. It's subjective at best. I don't believe personally folks paying $80 for FS as some have suggested or $200 total unless & I could be wrong but imo, unless:

1. Women is older & not as much clients.

2. Chemistry with said girl & being a regular going to see her weekly-monthly or in between that time frame.

3. Not as attractive.

4. Slow days & she'll take just about anything.

Again I can be wrong with any of these. However, I think at best perhaps $240-300 with hr massage plus FS. Of course as you indicated their is a possibility of skipping massage & just sex for $140-200 etc or even getting 30 minute massage than FS. Not saying it's impossible & that it couldn't be any reason that I didn't listed. I'm just under that belief for most folks that it's $240-300 areas particularly for 60 min massage than FS etc or perhaps they can even mean just a BBBJ or CBJ, hand job with massage etc so who knows but yeah is what it is. If folks can get less for a massage plus FS cool. Think either way it's worth a shot to get lower esp if they get 3-4 customers a day at $100 min per day that's $300 in a day & $8400 a month. I'm sure a percentage goes to shop & they may get 70 or so Maybe 50/50 split between owner of shop & masseuses. Either way monthly low in they can make between $4000 & as high as 8 k-10 k & that's untaxed ofc. I think it's fair for $200 overall for a massage & poonani. Think more clients will frequent more but I get it supply & demand. For me I'm only going mostly once a month & at times twice a month so I don't mind paying slightly higher than most. However, negotiations tactics should be discussed some all open to it thanks for sharing your perspective.[/QUOTE]I only do 1/2 and 80% of the time tip 120.10% of the time 100. I have never paid more than 140.

[QUOTE=Pdx503;7214663]Before 2020 there were a few apartment / motel setups for 1. 6 for the hour. The quality of the girl was always a crapshoot but at least there was a bed. Sometimes you get a fat, ugly and sometimes you may get a cute spinner. Come to think of it, the massage girls these days many seem into pleasing and less robotic dead fishes like before.[/QUOTE]There are still quite a few in Portland and is not open to public, like they only take customer in from referral basis. They also have enough customer basis that they don't need to advertise. Of course, the starting rate are $300, different kind of clientele than average AMP clients.

Those girls are usually much younger in 20 - 25 range with more Intune skills to their own racial ethnics clientele. Once a while they will have Japanese rotation and girls that actually played a roled in Japanese AV and they offer BBFS and for those that love BB, you are in luck. But very rare in Portland, easy to find in LA and NewYork.

The market rate for AMP isn't worth it for most of those girls to venture out and for us monger to experience.

Sometimes we might get lucky, few have rotation in AMP once a while but only in busier AMP stores.

[QUOTE=Zippy69;7214821]I only do 1/2 and 80% of the time tip 120.10% of the time 100. I have never paid more than 140.[/QUOTE]Cool. Is that from initially & new ones you visit or from ones you frequent & are considered a regular client, and by frequent I'm talking going once or more within a month? Also, I'm curious on the level of attraction which I know it's subjective, but from your perspective are the ones you get for that price between 6-7 in looks etc & are of youth you know 20-25 maybe tops 30 in age? Not saying you can't but I am under the belief that, that it's on average mostly unlikely that someone can do hh or hr plus boom boom for that price. I could be wrong but most in this forum & folks I know who do the AMP stuff paying between $220-300 with hr or hh massage plus FS. I'd like to know the places these folks are going to cause I feel like some context is needed to assess this in totality. I am curious to know full details for folks like yourself who are paying around $140-200 for hh or hr & FS, respectfully.

[QUOTE=Mixedplate89;7215210]Cool. Is that from initially & new ones you visit or from ones you frequent & are considered a regular client, and by frequent I'm talking going once or more within a month? Also, I'm curious on the level of attraction which I know it's subjective, but from your perspective are the ones you get for that price between 6-7 in looks etc & are of youth you know 20-25 maybe tops 30 in age? Not saying you can't but I am under the belief that, that it's on average mostly unlikely that someone can do hh or hr plus boom boom for that price. I could be wrong but most in this forum & folks I know who do the AMP stuff paying between $220-300 with hr or hh massage plus FS. I'd like to know the places these folks are going to cause I feel like some context is needed to assess this in totality. I am curious to know full details for folks like yourself who are paying around $140-200 for hh or hr & FS, respectfully.[/QUOTE]If you are paying anything over 220/ hr total at an AMP I think you're overpaying. At least in my limited experience. I've had young, attractive under 30 women for my last 4 visits and never paid over 200 total. All were full service, 2 were very GFE and included BBBJ. At this point I don't bother trying to haggle over 180 vs 200. When it's tip time I just hand over the remainder of my 200 after the house fee. I get smiles, her dress vanishes and the fun starts. I'm there to fuck, not to spend my time pissing off the lady I'm about to stick my dick in to save 20 bucks. However, I'm not going to pay way more than needed.

The alternative to AMPs are regular providers that cost at least 250-300/ hr on the low end, are hard to schedule, flaky, sometimes ghost or cancel and often have all kinds of rules or other personal issues.

200/ hr for GFE FS without having to schedule, hot towel after and water on the way out? It's a pretty damn good deal.

[QUOTE=Mixedplate89;7215210]Cool. Is that from initially & new ones you visit or from ones you frequent & are considered a regular client, and by frequent I'm talking going once or more within a month? Also, I'm curious on the level of attraction which I know it's subjective, but from your perspective are the ones you get for that price between 6-7 in looks etc & are of youth you know 20-25 maybe tops 30 in age? Not saying you can't but I am under the belief that, that it's on average mostly unlikely that someone can do hh or hr plus boom boom for that price. I could be wrong but most in this forum & folks I know who do the AMP stuff paying between $220-300 with hr or hh massage plus FS. I'd like to know the places these folks are going to cause I feel like some context is needed to assess this in totality. I am curious to know full details for folks like yourself who are paying around $140-200 for hh or hr & FS, respectfully.[/QUOTE]I try to stay between 140 and 180. I have never paid more then $$. Never even bring that much with me. I have done both 30 and 60 min depending on my mood and the girl.

I have been to many of them regularly with girls ranging in looks from 5-9. Always FS. Don't matter, price won't go past $$. I had above excellent service with Momo at candy last week for 60 min and she happily took the 1. 8 total from me. I would have given the entire $$ but a Jackson must have fell out in my car seat.

I also don't know anyone else paying more than $$. You and maybe one other guy here are the ones I see offering over $$ to $$.

For a short period there was a gal named Linda at Sakura. Maybe 5'1", very petite, A cup with eraser nipples and tight little ass. Haven't been able to find her again or anyone that fits close to this description in all my visits. If anyone knows of a gal that meets this body type please let me know. Thank you!

[QUOTE=Kinksty;7215339]If you are paying anything over 220/ hr total at an AMP I think you're overpaying. At least in my limited experience. I've had young, attractive under 30 women for my last 4 visits and never paid over 200 total. All were full service, 2 were very GFE and included BBBJ. At this point I don't bother trying to haggle over 180 vs 200. When it's tip time I just hand over the remainder of my 200 after the house fee. I get smiles, her dress vanishes and the fun starts. I'm there to fuck, not to spend my time pissing off the lady I'm about to stick my dick in to save 20 bucks. However, I'm not going to pay way more than needed.

The alternative to AMPs are regular providers that cost at least 250-300/ hr on the low end, are hard to schedule, flaky, sometimes ghost or cancel and often have all kinds of rules or other personal issues.

200/ hr for GFE FS without having to schedule, hot towel after and water on the way out? It's a pretty damn good deal.[/QUOTE]I'd have to say that I'd prefer to pay that. Again, I'm not sure where you're going to which is why I am asking. You don't have to tell me the girl you see or girls that's fine. For example at Candy Massage at Holgate I went once as I've seen the plethora of reviews on here. $220 I had on me given that's what was alleged about $200-220 for that place which wasn't the case for me at least. I came all the way from Beaverton to that shop so no way I was going to turn back over $50 which she asked for in which we went 22 minutes over time as I asked for an hr massage which was solid & I proceeded to smash this chick who imo was a 7 in Lisa her name is, for approximately 19 minutes. BBBJ, major GFE & PSE type of shit & overall sex was great as well. One can certainly argue that I overpaid but for imo a 7 In rating plus the treatment I receive & going over time with no rush with her being into it & into me it was worth the price. I would have preferred to pay $220 as recommended or less ofc but yeah $270 wasn't terrible imo.

I primarily stay in Beaverton, because I don't drive & I take public transportation everywhere being I am an LA native / city type of guy. So traveling a distance to a place like candy massage money wise for me overpaying when I go probably once a month & maybe as much as twice a month isn't a problem. If I go more then perhaps I can get these type of deals, as I build chemistry with these AMP's. Yeah I'm not fucking with those type of providers for those reasons you listed among others.

For those places you went to & got to $200 for young attractive women etc did you go your first time or where you there multiple times before? I'm mostly coming from the perspective of going to place X for the first time paying around that price? I also presume based on your previous response that you just went to get off & did not get a massage or perhaps HH or would I be incorrect in that assessment? Yeah recently $20 extra from an AMP did work for me as claimed by many in this thread, but mostly before it didn't within the last two months or near 3 I been going to AMP's.

I appreciate the transparency, but would like a little more details. Some more popular places or if one is seeing these AMP folks often I think it's certainly possible to get that but who knows maybe if one is much firm on negotiating & says $200 take it or leave it & I'm taking my ball & playing elsewhere that if you do that then they may say fuck it I'll take the cash or one kinda finds a middle ground in terms of let's just fuck she knows I'm there for that & he knows etc so just 5-15 minutes of that can cost $180-200 without massage so these are the details or context I am looking for personally so that I have more ammunition & know the art per se how to conduct myself at these places during negotiations etc, as a rook to this shit. Not trying to be hard here, but seeking to learn from the experience of others but I do feel context is important here of how one arrives to their end game on not overpaying as you put it.

[QUOTE=Mixedplate89;7213466]Very valid & fair pts indeed I have paid premium or more because of the nuance of the overall experience with mostly one woman who really takes a liking to me & I to her. She has been total GFE with me & has texted me often & to me it's worth it. It all depends on what one values in said experience & how they feel within that experience with said masseuse. It's subjective at best. I don't believe personally folks paying $80 for FS as some have suggested or $200 total unless & I could be wrong but imo, unless:

1. Women is older & not as much clients.

2. Chemistry with said girl & being a regular going to see her weekly-monthly or in between that time frame.

3. Not as attractive.

4. Slow days & she'll take just about anything.

Again I can be wrong with any of these. However, I think at best perhaps $240-300 with hr massage plus FS. Of course as you indicated their is a possibility of skipping massage & just sex for $140-200 etc or even getting 30 minute massage than FS. Not saying it's impossible & that it couldn't be any reason that I didn't listed. I'm just under that belief for most folks that it's $240-300 areas particularly for 60 min massage than FS etc or perhaps they can even mean just a BBBJ or CBJ, hand job with massage etc so who knows but yeah is what it is. If folks can get less for a massage plus FS cool. Think either way it's worth a shot to get lower esp if they get 3-4 customers a day at $100 min per day that's $300 in a day & $8400 a month. I'm sure a percentage goes to shop & they may get 70 or so Maybe 50/50 split between owner of shop & masseuses. Either way monthly low in they can make between $4000 & as high as 8 k-10 k & that's untaxed ofc. I think it's fair for $200 overall for a massage & poonani. Think more clients will frequent more but I get it supply & demand. For me I'm only going mostly once a month & at times twice a month so I don't mind paying slightly higher than most. However, negotiations tactics should be discussed some all open to it thanks for sharing your perspective.[/QUOTE]I can tell you through years of experience and what I heard from working girls. They get all the tips! The owners only get the house fee, that's why it is literally call the *House* fee. The shops only gets the $40-50 for the 30 minutes session and $60 - 70 for the 1 hour session. All the tips you gave to girls is 100% theirs to keep.

That's why there is 1st collection of money (house fee) when you walked in and 2nd collection of money (tip) for extra. In other words, they don't get wages, we mongers pay them their wages!

So if a monger booked a 1 hour session wants a solid massage and the full package and paid $200, in reality the girls only gets $130 to $140 and 1 hour is taken away and they can't get the next customers in to potentially earn their next $130 - $140.

So if a monger booked a 30 min session and wants no massage and just quick release and paid $200, in reality the girls works 30 min less and doesn't need to do much physical labor massaging us and gets $130 to $140.

So while we are all talking about the same $200 like some suggests but it really depends on what kind of package you are asking for and those $200 is more or less base on what you chose.

Then like you stated, its base on location, age and attractiveness and skill of masseuse. No different than minimum wages, that's why every county has their standard minimum wages.

Definitely not going to repeat. Name was coco, massage was over towel, light teasing near thigh on flip, regular negotiation when going further. Got FS for 120.

Tried checking out Eastern Spa first but the food vendor right next to it kind of ruins the vibe.

West Side not looking great in terms of reliable shops.

[QUOTE=JaceTheRedAce;7215700]Definitely not going to repeat. Name was coco, massage was over towel, light teasing near thigh on flip, regular negotiation when going further. Got FS for 120.

Tried checking out Eastern Spa first but the food vendor right next to it kind of ruins the vibe.

West Side not looking great in terms of reliable shops.[/QUOTE]Yeah, my guy D went today. He said the entrance was upstairs & they had a doorbell than came out to get you cause door was locked. He said an older lady came out with big boobs, wearing skimpy clothing etc. On west side I recommend, Nice spa, oriental pearl spa (get Angela if you can,) Kai yuan, Asian flower spa on Hartman, oriental foot massage to name a few that I went to / frequent over the last two months, some not FS like Kai yuan & Asian flower spa unless you build tenure with said masseuse there at those shops it's possible but not common but the other ones yeah FS. I still have more to go to like eastern spa among others to check out here so we'll see, but those shops for me has been reliable.

[QUOTE=SageSix;7215520]I can tell you through years of experience and what I heard from working girls. They get all the tips! The owners only get the house fee, that's why it is literally call the *House* fee. The shops only gets the $40-50 for the 30 minutes session and $60 - 70 for the 1 hour session. All the tips you gave to girls is 100% theirs to keep.

That's why there is 1st collection of money (house fee) when you walked in and 2nd collection of money (tip) for extra. In other words, they don't get wages, we mongers pay them their wages!

So if a monger booked a 1 hour session wants a solid massage and the full package and paid $200, in reality the girls only gets $130 to $140 and 1 hour is taken away and they can't get the next customers in to potentially earn their next $130 - $140.

So if a monger booked a 30 min session and wants no massage and just quick release and paid $200, in reality the girls works 30 min less and doesn't need to do much physical labor massaging us and gets $130 to $140.

So while we are all talking about the same $200 like some suggests but it really depends on what kind of package you are asking for and those $200 is more or less base on what you chose.

Then like you stated, its base on location, age and attractiveness and skill of masseuse. No different than minimum wages, that's why every county has their standard minimum wages.[/QUOTE]The package I prefer is Hr plus FS. However, based on your sound pts & experience I think what I am going to do is when I want an actual massage I am going to just go to my main spot aloha massage to get an actual elite massage there & just get the release at the shops that offer FS. If I'm paying $130-200 for it than go & pay $70 for an hr massage plus tips at a place than I am looking at $220-240 total in a day for an actual massage plus FS but I get why now when girls ask me if I want 30 minutes LOL when I ask for an hr XD makes sense. It's a win win for everyone involved if I just go in for boom boom & not get a massage. Thanks for the input. I'd think though that if I haven't been to a shop they may get suspicious if I just come in for boom.

Boom thinking I'm trying to bust their operation etc but yeah. It's worth trying. Next places I plan to go to for my bday I been to already so I'm sure I can just get boom boom than bounce.