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Well I'm not stupid enough to keep any messages no matter what I use to make dates with.
[QUOTE=BikeRider;2548731]The only problem is that it runs on your normal phone. If someone uses your phone, and finds kik and the history of messages then game over.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Telcova;2548818]I've been sending to SB's identified as Negotiable or Minimal; With the thinking that Practical, Moderate, Substantial and High are suffering from GPS.
Am I off base?[/QUOTE]I care a lot more about what the profile says (or doesn't say) than what the girl puts for allowance. You have to look for words or phrases that indicate she's looking for whatever she finds. She might have a magic number in her head that she requires, she may take whatever is offered. I've bedded 3 chicks who had something in practical or higher, I paid them no different than what I pay everyone else. I've also had chicks who put negotiable and then refused to negotiate, they only wanted their (out of my range) number. A girl can put negotiable but then you read her profile and it's clear she thinks she's a 'princess' who should be 'spoiled' and 'pampered'. Those 3 quoted words are your warning signs, if you see those its likely going you're going to next her because she drank the SA koolaid and has a bad case of GPS. You're looking for 'open to anything' or 'just have some fun'. Having said that, remember that in negotiation you very rarely get what you don't ask for, so some of these girls put whatever in both the allowance and profile info they think will get them the most. I always love seeing some 18-19 year old who was living in some rural shit hole try to act like she's some worldly chick used to having designer handbags when in reality she couldn't spell Louis Vuitton without having to look it up first. Every once in a while you'll see one that's the real deal, just admire the pictures for a few seconds then next them. Almost every white girl I've been with has had some story about being wined and dined by guys with more cash than brain cells they drop on on me at the M&G, I just nod and smile because they're making it up. If they were capable of holding onto that type of cash, they wouldn't be getting rammed from behind by me and then getting $100-150 for their trouble. I've only seen one woman who I think was the real deal, and that's because she was older and she's still stupid hot now in her 40's and I bet in her late 20's /30's she got whoever she wanted. Fortunately she had a soft spot for younger guys who have manners, so I got in for cheaper than she was requesting originally.
[QUOTE=RobTaylor;2548822]I use airbnb. It gives me alot more autonomy.[/QUOTE]I thought about this, but the reason I bailed on it is that it makes it too easy for a stalker SB to find me if I decide not to contact her again. All she has to do is offer to blow or payoff whoever rented me the room and he has details on how to track me down. A decent hotel will not release details about who is staying in what room to anyone without a warrant.
Plus I'm always worried I'll get "reviewed" on airbnb.... something like "this guy left a nasty jizz stain on my pillows and walls. Not cool and will not be invited back". Hotels do not judge the JeezLizard ;)
[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2548732]I've generally enjoyed the slight risk, along with the fact that these women just let me into their house to fuck them. However after having a bad run-in, I'm generally reconsidering as that could have gone EXTREMELY poorly for me. I appreciate the input from you guys, even if it's something I've considered already it's good to hear how others do it and their rationale. So what do you guys about checkout for these places, do you just leave when you're done and not bother checking out or do you just check out when you're done?
So I just had to finish with the spinner from the story and we already had a pre-set lunch date, so we met up again and this time I rented a hotel. Of course all the < $50/ day ones were booked solid, so it cost a bit more than expected. Once again DATY was extensive and she tried to strangle me with her thighs a few times, it was quite lovely. With no husbands to kick in doors, this time I got mine as well. Oral was good if short, she tired out pretty fast but had good technique and I'd have busted if I wasn't holding it for the main event. So she quickly applies a condom climbs on top and rides like her life depended on it, she lets me have a good view of her body for a minute then hunkers down and starts grinding her hips into me as hard as she could with a very tight grip. I could only fit 2 fingers into her during DATY after extensive pre-work so she was really tight and it showed, I'm not sure I could jerk it and hold it as tight as she had ahold of me. I was a bit concerned when she didn't last 5 minutes of blowing, but she rode for a good 15 minutes until she finally got hers and whispered 'come for me papi' in my ear and I lost it on the spot. Pretty sure if that was condomless I wouldn't have lasted 90 seconds, it was very intense. We both collapsed for a good 15 minutes before even attempting to move, pretty spent.
Was fun, but I'm not sure the hours invested to make it work are good for me. This is a rare no-spouse weekend so I had all the time in the world, normally that's not the case. Maybe now that we're established things will go smoother, not sure I like the UTR vibe either but she fucks like an animal so maybe I'll tolerate it for now. I have a 22 year old white spinner who's accepted $150 and wants to meet as well, good news is she's close by (unknown to her of course) so sampling the goods will not be difficult.[/QUOTE]Yes, the risk is sometimes a thrill. Hypocritically enough (or seemingly so) based on my last response, I've gone home with plenty of women I met in bars back to their place, in some cases banging them with a picture of their BF or hubby right there on the nightstand next to the bed staring me down. But I only did that when I was without an SO to lose, so at the time the only risk was a potential physical confrontation with some random jealous dude which has never been a fear of mine. Even still in retrospect the times I rented a room, even with a bar pickup, were much more satisfying because it pulled them out of their home and comfort zone, giving me better sex overall than if I were screwing them in the same bed they had been in with someone that mattered to them. It's a mental separation/escape from their boring homelife for them, that pays dividends to us in the form of better sex -- at least in my experience. If you screw them in the same bed with someone they have an emotional attachment to, in some ways you are competing against matters of the heart that are too complicated to even go into here, unless it is something like the rare revenge fuck on her part, etc. She will have more fun and so will you if you go somewhere else, at least most of the time.
If you really do this a lot within the same geographic area you might consider renting a cheap apartment or room by the month. Not an option for me because when I'm doing the SD thing, I'm all over the map geographically, I don't stay in one place long.
As far as checking out of hotels, I never do it. In fact I'd say it's probably been over 20 years since I checked out of a room. For me the room is usually booked via credit card online before I get there. I just check in when I arrive to pick up the keys and leave the keys on the table before I leave. Never an issue.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2534736]
I once had a fuck buddy friend -- a real stunner actually, who said she was thinking about just being a single mom and raising a kid on her own (she actually had a good job and the means to do it). She said she wasn't sure if she wanted a man in her life permanently, just the kid and the career. She then started discussing the possibility of paying me to get her pregnant (no, I'm not kidding -- [b]legal paperwork and all[/b]). And no, I did not take her up on it.
[/QUOTE]Yeah, and I have seen Courts impose Child Support on dudes who thought they had a written agreement that let them off the hook. In some (many?) jurisdictions the law does not allow one to escape parental responsibility by contracting out of it! I'd consult a good attorney in my state to clarify what the courts allow before assuming one can contract away parental responsibility.
Oh and the "fantasy" I am sure many of us have. Getting paid to impregnate a woman. Now just being playful, but. Hmmm, sounds like she was offering you money to have sex with her and ejaculate inside of her? Now if the roles were reversed, we'd have a name for that, and it is illegal in 49 states. Hey, I'm just sayin' LOL!
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2535842]Details are great. I appreciate it.
Just a lot more prep work then insert and pump.[/QUOTE]AMEN! I would say that 50% to 70% of the girls that refuse @nal sex do it because they had a BAD experience the first time!
Just like the posters are saying. Most guys out there are jerks. So what typically happens is that a guy is doing a girl doggie, sees the brown eye winking at him, pulls out lines it up with the brown eye and rams it home! No lube, no realization that this isn't Vag #2 and no concern for the shock or pain he imposes. So a girl who experiences that says NO! To any further experiences.
That said, I have taken a fair number of backdoor cherries and when done right, had a great time, introduced a girl to a new form of play, given many of them Os from the play and been able to repeat.
I would add this to what the OP wrote: [B]Getting in there is about TRUST and Consideration of the girl.[/B] I always tell my date that we can stop at anytime she is uncomfortable, it hurts or just wants to stop. (and I mean it!) I think that goes a long way to building trust with her. But I back that up too. After you have done all of that prep work. Ease in a little bit. Then inquire of her. How does it feel? Just the fact that you are following through on the promise to consider her goes a long way to relaxing her. Ease in a bit more. Ask. Rinse and repeat until fully buried. Going slow allows her to adjust and relax to a new sensation. Take it easy until she is comfortable.
Another thing is her being as RELAXED as possible. I try to make sure she has had an O or two as that tends to give a good amount of relaxation. Plus if one has been that selfless, she's more willing to give something to you.
Often I hear noises that are different from normal F'in and so I will stop and ask her if she is OK, if she wants to stop. Again this builds trust and points that will be rewarded. Consideration goes a long way.
Finally, I'd add. Have a brown towel nearby as even with girls who have clean up, at times, one can pull out and find brown the*ck! If that happens grab the towel and wipe off before she sees it! Girls don't like to be confronted by that stuff and she'll freak out! So take care of it before she sees it!
Oh and don't be a PIG and ask her to do ATM! Gross. From my experience that is only in Porn Movies and EXTREMELY freaky girls (<1%.
And remember, go wash yer the*ck with soap & water before putting it in her Vag again! The bacterial cultures in the azz are different to the ones in the Vag and going directly from one hole to another is a sure way to give her a nasty yeast infection!
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2549135]Yeah, and I have seen Courts impose Child Support on dudes who thought they had a written agreement that let them off the hook. In some (many?) jurisdictions the law does not allow one to escape parental responsibility by contracting out of it! I'd consult a good attorney in my state to clarify what the courts allow before assuming one can contract away parental responsibility.
Oh and the "fantasy" I am sure many of us have. Getting paid to impregnate a woman. Now just being playful, but. Hmmm, sounds like she was offering you money to have sex with her and ejaculate inside of her? Now if the roles were reversed, we'd have a name for that, and it is illegal in 49 states. Hey, I'm just sayin' LOL![/QUOTE]Believe me, having a kid or putting monetary value on sperm is far from a fantasy of mine. Not only do I not want any offspring of mine born from some woman who is too emotionalyl incompetent to maintain an actual relationship with a man, but being a paid sperm donor is nothing new, there have been numerous shows in the media over the last few years about guys who do this and get their jollies from the idea of spreading their seed around. And yes, there are long lists of desperate want to-be moms (and in many cases their husbands) who are willing to pay good money for sperm. I don't see any glory or fun in any of it. If I ever did want to do something like that, it certainly wouldn't be a signed promise written on a bar napkin, I'd handle it all via attorney. This can and does happen, by the way.
In the particular case I described, I'm sure you are right that she would have liked me to cum inside her. She made it very clear she was interested in dating me (I was semi-involved with someone else at the time and I made it clear I didn't need any more girlfriends but was willing to be a fuck buddy). At least she was straightforward about her true life goals and mentioned her desire to have kids, a lot of women won't even do that and will just try to lure the sperm in the old fashioned way, child support and all.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2549149]AMEN! I would say that 50% to 70% of the girls that refuse @nal sex do it because they had a BAD experience the first time!![/QUOTE]Thanks for the respond Cephlapod. Very informative.
I think the overwhelming message here is building trust, have her as relax as possible, and GO SLOW!
[QUOTE=RobTaylor;2548822]I use airbnb. It gives me alot more autonomy.[/QUOTE]This is very interesting. How do you use AirBNB to book something for a couple hours, or a day?
I like to know the details if you don't mind sharing. PM if you like.
[QUOTE=Agent6969;2548868]She is HOT.
Wish I could of seen her.[/QUOTE]She looks like a 9 in the pics. Lets say she was an 8.5. Pierced nips, belly and clit.
So I message this girl on SA. She messages me back two weeks later and in her first message she says "I want a pomsky as a gift before having any type of intimate meeting". That is a $2 k to 5 k dog!! She goes on to explain that it would prove that I am for real. Her profile expectations are "negotiable". This is not my first rodeo, and I've seen messages from a lot of girls, but this was the most extreme GPS I have seen. She's not even that hot! I couldn't leave it alone. I messaged her back saying she was funny and that with all the scammers on the site, I never advance money and wished her good luck with that plan.
I wanted say more, but bit my tongue. I imagine it was actually Ivan sitting behind the computer. LOL.
[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2549516]So I message this girl on SA. She messages me back two weeks later and in her first message she says "I want a pomsky as a gift before having any type of intimate meeting". That is a $2 k to 5 k dog!! She goes on to explain that it would prove that I am for real. Her profile expectations are "negotiable". This is not my first rodeo, and I've seen messages from a lot of girls, but this was the most extreme GPS I have seen. She's not even that hot! I couldn't leave it alone. I messaged her back saying she was funny and that with all the scammers on the site, I never advance money and wished her good luck with that plan.
I wanted say more, but bit my tongue. I imagine it was actually Ivan sitting behind the computer. LOL.[/QUOTE]SA.
Go to search.
Hit reset.
Click profile text.
Enter. Zena C
Her response to me.
"I'm looking for an arrangement with meetings about 4 times a month with a spending allowance of 2 thousand a visit ".
I saw her profile. No way anyone is getting close to that for her. I have to imagine they learn quickly there are few unicorns in the real world.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2549607]SA.
Go to search.
Hit reset.
Click profile text.
Enter. Zena C
Her response to me.
"I'm looking for an arrangement with meetings about 4 times a month with a spending allowance of 2 thousand a visit ".[/QUOTE]
After fucking the random girl yesterday, I picked my Hawaiian Princes and she stayed the night. Nice to have some company for a change. She's still here now, but I may go see about fucking some new girl later tonite as my ATF is on the rag till at least Wednesday.
oops oops opps