"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2548133]I hate the idea of spending $50 for a room that I only use for a couple of hours tops, but after something like that I'm reconsidering. I've had very good results from going to the girls place, I'm a pretty quiet understanding guy so they usually trust me relatively fast. I just need to gather better information on what I may be walking into, if I'd known any of this information up front I'd have done a room.[/QUOTE]The thing is you can almost never avoid the risk, even if they convince you 100% that there is no risk and even if they truly believe that themselves.

I say this more from civy dating experience than SBs, but whenever you go to a female's place there is almost always the possibility of someone coming by that will ruin your date, whether it's a jilted ex-bf or whatever. Any hot girl has one or more of these out there -- they may not all be psycho or stalking the girl or dropping by randomly out of jealousy, and if you're not married there's of course much less to lose, but honestly to me $50 doesn't sound like a bad price to pay to eliminate all the possible things that could go wrong.

The situation you encountered was very close to the classic robbery scenario -- you go to girls place where the BF is secretly waiting to barge in and interrupt everything before it goes too far (but after you've paid), telling you to get lost and of course it's an inconvenient time to ask for a refund. I don't think that's what happened in your particular case but the mechanics of how it goes down is very similar. Just read the escort boards, it happens to some poor john somewhere every day.

I always have a hotel anyway when I'm playing with SBs, but if I wanted to regularly hook up with UTRs I might just get something like a van and pick them up for cheap car dates.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2548115]Glad you got out of it safely. This is one reason I don't do UTRs (those are about the only ones who would ever invite you to their residence first). A true SB will want a meeting somewhere public first, at least for drinks or a meal or whatever. I don't like the idea of going to their place at all for this very reason (even if the husband or BF doesn't live 3 doors down, he could still come by at any time). I suspect the situation you encountered is the most common (he's too pissed at her to pay much attention to you), but who needs the aggravation of it leading to a potential 911 call or a deputy knocking on your door with a subpoena dragging you into court to testify after he beats the crap out of her or worse kills her? Not to mention the interrupted session and money lost.

Too much aggravation. Anyone who will agree to a price and invite you to her place on the first date is easy enough to take to a cheap motel on the first date without risk of offending her. Much better risk / reward setup.[/QUOTE]I've lost out on several girls because I wouldn't just go into their place for a M&G. I absolutely do not like to lose that much control over my surroundings.

[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2548079]So tonight I finally met up with a 19 yo latina spinner who agreed to my $100 donation. .[/QUOTE]This is why I always get a cheap $50 hotel / motel room, even for a first meet. I rather blow $50, then get beat up or shake down for potentially much worse.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2548465]I've lost out on several girls because I wouldn't just go into their place for a M&G. I absolutely do not like to lose that much control over my surroundings.[/QUOTE]That's it exactly, remaining in control of the situation. Relinquishing control might go well 99% of the time, but it's that last 1% of the time that gets you. One of the benefits of my style of "dating" SBs is that I don't have to worry about stings, but those of you agreeing to payment up front and meeting at their place have to worry about arrest setups, or whether she or her boyfriend are filming it so she can send you a youtube link later for a blackmail setup, etc. All that on top of the potential for robbery or a jilted ex with a gun and a mental disorder. Just not worth it to make a bit of glue.

Thanks Bowtie, My burner is a tracfone, text card is on my to-do list.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2547825]Oh yeh, tracfone was killing me on text till they made a text only card. I think on-line only, 1000 text for $10. Use a prepaid cc under fake name, easy and safe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2547125]I didn't see anything about this in my search here so I guess it hasn't come up. I like this phone app as an alternative to a burner phone that I would have to hide from the wife. So far three of my SB contacts ranging in age from 18 to 41 have it. No exchange of phone numbers needed and it shows when the message is read. Basically just an instant messenger that is the most popular one right now. In fact was on national news this week as a bad thing as pedophiles could use it to chat with underage girls. You can send pics with it as well.[/QUOTE]The only problem is that it runs on your normal phone. If someone uses your phone, and finds kik and the history of messages then game over.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2548545]That's it exactly, remaining in control of the situation. Relinquishing control might go well 99% of the time, but it's that last 1% of the time that gets you. One of the benefits of my style of "dating" SBs is that I don't have to worry about stings, but those of you agreeing to payment up front and meeting at their place have to worry about arrest setups, or whether she or her boyfriend are filming it so she can send you a youtube link later for a blackmail setup, etc. All that on top of the potential for robbery or a jilted ex with a gun and a mental disorder. Just not worth it to make a bit of glue.[/QUOTE]I've generally enjoyed the slight risk, along with the fact that these women just let me into their house to fuck them. However after having a bad run-in, I'm generally reconsidering as that could have gone EXTREMELY poorly for me. I appreciate the input from you guys, even if it's something I've considered already it's good to hear how others do it and their rationale. So what do you guys about checkout for these places, do you just leave when you're done and not bother checking out or do you just check out when you're done?

So I just had to finish with the spinner from the story and we already had a pre-set lunch date, so we met up again and this time I rented a hotel. Of course all the < $50/ day ones were booked solid, so it cost a bit more than expected. Once again DATY was extensive and she tried to strangle me with her thighs a few times, it was quite lovely. With no husbands to kick in doors, this time I got mine as well. Oral was good if short, she tired out pretty fast but had good technique and I'd have busted if I wasn't holding it for the main event. So she quickly applies a condom climbs on top and rides like her life depended on it, she lets me have a good view of her body for a minute then hunkers down and starts grinding her hips into me as hard as she could with a very tight grip. I could only fit 2 fingers into her during DATY after extensive pre-work so she was really tight and it showed, I'm not sure I could jerk it and hold it as tight as she had ahold of me. I was a bit concerned when she didn't last 5 minutes of blowing, but she rode for a good 15 minutes until she finally got hers and whispered 'come for me papi' in my ear and I lost it on the spot. Pretty sure if that was condomless I wouldn't have lasted 90 seconds, it was very intense. We both collapsed for a good 15 minutes before even attempting to move, pretty spent.

Was fun, but I'm not sure the hours invested to make it work are good for me. This is a rare no-spouse weekend so I had all the time in the world, normally that's not the case. Maybe now that we're established things will go smoother, not sure I like the UTR vibe either but she fucks like an animal so maybe I'll tolerate it for now. I have a 22 year old white spinner who's accepted $150 and wants to meet as well, good news is she's close by (unknown to her of course) so sampling the goods will not be difficult.

[QUOTE=Makethescoop;2548257]I'm considering pulling the trigger on an AM membership. I'm buying the cheapest they offer that includes 100 "credits". How many credits does it take to send a message?? I'm joining to reply to one post in particular. Not really much else close to me.[/QUOTE]AM use to be very good (see my previous posts). I've not had much luck there lately, and I suspect many of the prospects have moved over to Tinder etc.

Personally, I prefer to keep a second phone. It keeps everything separate, and when the warden asks to borrow my phone I don't have to worry about what she might find.

I use T-mobile and pay $50/ mo for unlimited text / voice / data, and I didn't provide ANY personal information when starting. The cost is well worth the additional safety and freedom it gives me.

You do have the issue of what to say if the warden ever finds the second phone. I already have a very plausible cover story for that if it ever happens. You don't want the SO to think you're Heisenberg or something!

I also use Google voice that is forwarded to my burner. This way if a girl becomes a stalker (I had one many years ago), I can block her number easily. Only a few girls have ever had my direct burner number.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;2547915]A lot of the babies are on it and I've used it for a few of them. My only problem with it is that there isn't a laptop version. I'm a touch typist, so like using my laptop for texting, email, etc. Rather than my iPhone keyboard (yeah, I'm an older fart, LOL). But, if it works for the baby who am I to complain. Once she's comfy with me we move to regular text.

I do put my kik handle in my initial contact with the babies

Good hunting!

Travelin'.[/QUOTE]I don't like it for the same reason, I can type 90+ words per minute and I'm long winded sometimes so the computer helps versus the phone keyboard. My general comms layout is this-.

Android Smartphone. Lockscreen set and my SO does not know it, she never messes with my phone anyway, I have it set to lock after 1 minute of non-use or if I press the power button. I'm looking at doing something more extensive under the guise of 'work security' to add additional security measures to it. Using Chrome incognito mode tabs for all my SD related activities, I have several tabs running usually for various things. At the top of an android, you can close all your incognito tabs with a single swipe, which makes it easy to close all your tabs if you need to allow your SO to see your phone. It's completely clean at that point. You just have to make sure you use incognito mode, I regularly check my history and if I see an entry for something naughty I know I missed a tab and wipe everything. I have 3 chrome profiles, 1 is my legit profile, 1 is for [URL]SA.com[/URL], and 1 is for SB related communications and misc other things related to the hobby. I have google voice on all 3 accounts, the SB comms account being the one I hand out to most girls I meet. I have it set to not forward texts to messages (the default built-in texting app for android), it does display a message if I get a text with GV though. This prevents the texts from showing up on the monthly bill, which is one of the few ways my SO can see what I'm doing on my phone. I generally text with GV, but I do calls on occasion as needed. It all integrates seamlessly and unless someone is digging into your phone it's hard to spot. I also have kik but I prefer not to use it unless the baby insists, some of them are skittish and don't want to give out their phone #. I'm careful to close it when I'm done and I also don't have the shortcut easily visible (its in a folder that isn't on my home screens). My setup is not for those with nosy SOs / relatives / coworkers etc who can get into your phone when you're not there, but it works for me due to the upfront security I use along with a religious habit of locking my phone immediately when not in use.

Home Computer. I rarely use this as my SO likes to walk into my office area unannounced and I always leave my PC on 24/7 (she has her own computer). I once again lock it religiously and have a very low idle lockout time, but it's a lot more frequent for her to see my PC monitors than my phone. When I do use it, once again I'm using Chrome in incognito mode. I do also use the GV computer interface if I'm talking to a baby and I don't feel like texting or it would look out of place (I frequently use the GV computer interface when I'm at work and a baby is trying to chat me up or I need to close a deal. All over a VPN to avoid my job snooping). Once again being very careful to select the correct profile and ensure I always use incognito mode. Learn your keyboard hotkeys for computer use, Windows Vista and later can use the Windows Key + Down Arrow to minimize the current active window, you can also do Alt key + F4 to close it if you don't want to risk it. Both are useful if someone busts in on you without notice and you can't easily swap from typing to grabbing the mouse and minimizing the window. You can also use Alt key + tab if you have your naughty window sized appropriately and it will hide behind the next window in the tab order.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2548743]Personally, I prefer to keep a second phone. It keeps everything separate, and when the warden asks to borrow my phone I don't have to worry about what she might find.

I use T-mobile and pay $50/ mo for unlimited text / voice / data, and I didn't provide ANY personal information when starting. The cost is well worth the additional safety and freedom it gives me.

You do have the issue of what to say if the warden ever finds the second phone. [B]I already have a very plausible cover story for that if it ever happens.[/B] You don't want the SO to think you're Heisenberg or something!

I also use Google voice that is forwarded to my burner. This way if a girl becomes a stalker (I had one many years ago), I can block her number easily. Only a few girls have ever had my direct burner number.[/QUOTE]What's the plausible story?

So I started messaging this girl late last night. A very pretty 18 year old mixed girl who was just visiting L. A. for the week but was leaving today. So I got up a little early and went to see her. She was a solid 8 all around and fun to talk to, so we decided to just hit the FC since she really didn't have any time but the present. We did the most we could in an hour for the usual $. Hope she comes back to visit again some time soon.

I've been sending to SB's identified as Negotiable or Minimal; With the thinking that Practical, Moderate, Substantial and High are suffering from GPS.

Am I off base?

[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2548133]I hate the idea of spending $50 for a room that I only use for a couple of hours tops, but after something like that I'm reconsidering. I've had very good results from going to the girls place, I'm a pretty quiet understanding guy so they usually trust me relatively fast. I just need to gather better information on what I may be walking into, if I'd known any of this information up front I'd have done a room.[/QUOTE]I use airbnb. It gives me alot more autonomy.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2548779]So I started messaging this girl late last night. A very pretty 18 year old mixed girl who was just visiting L. A. for the week but was leaving today. So I got up a little early and went to see her. She was a solid 8 all around and fun to talk to, so we decided to just hit the FC since she really didn't have any time but the present. We did the most we could in an hour for the usual $. Hope she comes back to visit again some time soon.[/QUOTE]She is HOT.

Wish I could of seen her.