"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

She is a former pro. Got caught up in the late unpleasantness in Dunwoody. She used to be one of the busted agency's best according to reviews. Also danced at follies when follies had white girls. Yes, she's had a kid, but I've been watching her pictures over the years and the one's on her profile are recent and probably representative of her physique. I think particularly the ones with blond / brown mixed colors. I've talked to her but never pulled the trigger due to timing. I guarantee she'll deliver. Will you connect with her and have some chemistry? That's all up to you. She quoted me 3, BBJ / CFS.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;5797713]Any info on this one? I'm looking to meet soon, and she's passed all my verification. Just want to know what others have $ and how fun she is. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fa265d85-1f8f-40f3-9cfd-abf885b25f68[/URL].

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Disregard, found some reviews from a few years ago. Sounds like YMMV, and the reviews said old pics and baby dmg. She's snapped me some pics but maybe she's doing some touch up / angle magic or (hopefully) she's gotten into some kind of shape. I may smash as I have a thing for the tatted n trashy look.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ReffingMan94;5796307]Hey guys, this has been discussed before but thought I would ask for advice here again. Out of the blue yesterday I get a couple random texts from out side atlanta area codes asking to chat. Then they send me a.

Text with Screen shots of my Facebook and my Seeking account profile (which I immediately deleted) saying what would your wife say if she saw this?

How has anyone handled this? Scared the shit out of me initially![/QUOTE]Were the texts sent to your real phone or a burner phone you use for mongering?

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;5797696]Alright, here's a hot one I banged out off and on a few weeks ago, but the distance is too much of a hassle and our schedules couldn't align due to her work so I'm throwing her to the board. Take care of her, she's super sweet and pics are real. Best set of natural tits I've ever seen on a woman I fucked, and if you like small tattoos and piercings, congrats you've hit the jackpot. Will do $3, but can get down to $2 after you see her a few times (you open with that and you're toast though). CFS but BBBJ CIM, no anal on initial date, but after you've built some trust and give her some advance notice she's receptive. And once you built up some trust she'll let you in on her kinky / submissive / bratty side, but if you try to start there you're blocked and done. Declined to host, so always had to get a room. You're welcome gents.

https://members.seeking.com/member/2c3e3408-d636-4496-9f04-f3ac9c7fd1bf[/QUOTE]I was talking to her, but she had a bad attitude, so I bailed.

CFS, bratty, and pierced nips are all negatives for me, but glad you had fun, and thanks for sharing the intel (and the pic).

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;5798364]I was talking to her, but she had a bad attitude, so I bailed.

CFS, bratty, and pierced nips are all negatives for me, but glad you had fun, and thanks for sharing the intel (and the pic).[/QUOTE]Since I have a decent stable of midrange talent (single moms in late 20's early 30's) I've been trying to be a little more selective for future SBs. One thing I've noticed is the prettier / younger they are, the more likely to be CFS starting off. Most of them will eventually move to BFS after you develop some trust. CFS is not a deal breaker for me in the sub-300 range, particularly if I plan on seeing someone long term where I expect to move to bare. And I tell them that after the first time, something like "This was fun, I definitely want to see you again, but I only have long term SBs with girls I can trust enough to not need a condom. We won't need that anymore after a few dates right?" I haven't had one yet who was interested in seeing me again decline.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;5798811]Since I have a decent stable of midrange talent (single moms in late 20's early 30's) I've been trying to be a little more selective for future SBs. One thing I've noticed is the prettier / younger they are, the more likely to be CFS starting off. Most of them will eventually move to BFS after you develop some trust. CFS is not a deal breaker for me in the sub-300 range, particularly if I plan on seeing someone long term where I expect to move to bare. And I tell them that after the first time, something like "This was fun, I definitely want to see you again, but I only have long term SBs with girls I can trust enough to not need a condom. We won't need that anymore after a few dates right?" I haven't had one yet who was interested in seeing me again decline.[/QUOTE]Are you finding these girls on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] or other places?

Seeing if anyone had intel on [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b8df6aca-9d6b-4387-b00a-d54db020f875.[/URL] Got her to text but haven't really made a full court press on her yet. Thought I'd check here if anyone knew she was real and worth the effort. Pure speculation from her profile is I bet she's selling content, but she hasn't made any attempt to sell me any yet. Even if she's not a content scammer, I assume anyone who self identifies as a model is GPS, but I've had decent luck getting overpriced girls down back down to earth, but it's a lot of time, effort, and charm, and I just want to know if that much work is worth it in this case.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;5798811]Since I have a decent stable of midrange talent (single moms in late 20's early 30's) I've been trying to be a little more selective for future SBs. One thing I've noticed is the prettier / younger they are, the more likely to be CFS starting off. Most of them will eventually move to BFS after you develop some trust. CFS is not a deal breaker for me in the sub-300 range, particularly if I plan on seeing someone long term where I expect to move to bare. And I tell them that after the first time, something like "This was fun, I definitely want to see you again, but I only have long term SBs with girls I can trust enough to not need a condom. We won't need that anymore after a few dates right?" I haven't had one yet who was interested in seeing me again decline.[/QUOTE]Yes that is true, that the prettier and younger ones seem to have more self respect and will insist on CFS, which just isn't worth 200 to me, in most cases. But when I was younger, it may have been different. If you are getting your money's worth, that's what counts... and then even moreso when they let you go BFS later on.

[QUOTE=VirgilToole;5797542]Never use a picture of yourself on SA that can be linked back to your Facebook or Instagram or any other social media. Always make it a unique photo.

The best bte is to use a picture that isn't you. Either search for a lookalike on a site like pimeyes, or, if you don't want to pay the subscription fee, just find a similar match on Google. You can hide your real pictures in private photos if you're attractive and think it might get you a freebie or a reduced rate. If you're looking for something purely transactional with a semi-pro, then you don't need any real pictures at all. If you have good social IQ, you should be able to tell the difference between the girls with whom you can trust real photos and those with whom you can't. Personally, I use a real picture of myself taken from behind in Muir Woods when it was foggy. It gives the girls a sense of my height and physique without revealing my face, and the fog and background makes it mysterious. Then I'll share my face pictures with profiles I trust.

Never include any personal information in your profile or share it with the girls you talk to initially. If you were born in 1975, e. G. , don't make your profile name something like NutBuster75. It just makes you easier to identify. Or if your name is Thomas, don't name your profile something like RichThomas.

Be vague about what you do for work. These girls don't need to see your W2 before you fuck them. They just need to know that you have a job that makes money. Make up a fake job or keep it vague with something like "I'm in finance. " Personally, I do specialty vehicle sales for a living, but as far as any of these girls know, I do medical supply sales. It makes it harder to track you down. And I can still answer questions about the sales world if they ask without being specific. If you're a landscaper, don't lie and say you're a doctor. They'll be able to sniff you out quickly. Keep your job similar to your real job but different enough that they can't track you down, especially if you're on your company's website.

Never put your real city on your profile. If you live in Marietta, list your location as Roswell or Kennesaw or Smyrna. That way they'll still expect to meet you OTP North, but they won't be able to search "your name + city" to find the real you.

I always use a fake name, age and job with girls I talk to on SA. I use a burner phone as well. Most girls think my name is James and my number starts with 770, neither of which is true. The only girls who get my real name and info are the ones I trust after I've met them several times or the ones who have been vetted already by guys on this forum (you know who you are, and I thank you). And the girls on SA understand this. Whenever I transition into a free FWB situation with a girl from SA, I normally tell her I was lying about my name, age, location, job, etc. , and 100% of them have understood because SA is a sketchy site by its nature. Women primarily want attention, and secondarily they want good dick, so if you provide them with both, they will look past any lie you tell them.

Unfortunately, you might be screwed. If you're married, start preparing your excuses now. Girls screenshot EVERYTHING, especially when they know they can use it as blackmail later. So even if you deleted your account, she likely has a record of you two talking.[/QUOTE]Excellent advice. I do most of this, but I'm lazy with some of it, which is dumb. The only thing I would add is try to talk to them on Signal or Session app, perhaps with disappearing messages on (set to 1 or 2 or 4 weeks, at least), so there is not so much paper trail on SMS.

I just had an sb prospect message me:

"So I messed up and my husband found all the conversations and pictures. Now he's monitoring my phone.

He went through my phone".

So that's not good because I was using my real number and had sent her my pics. My # isn't registered to my name, but still not good. My pics dropped off (with disappearing msgs), but she could have saved them on her phone. Oh well, hopefully that won't come back to me, but I knew she was married, so was taking a risk there.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;5799097]Excellent advice. I do most of this, but I'm lazy with some of it, which is dumb. The only thing I would add is try to talk to them on Signal or Session app, perhaps with disappearing messages on (set to 1 or 2 or 4 weeks, at least), so there is not so much paper trail on SMS.

I just had an sb prospect message me:

"So I messed up and my husband found all the conversations and pictures. Now he's monitoring my phone.

He went through my phone".

So that's not good because I was using my real number and had sent her my pics. My # isn't registered to my name, but still not good. My pics dropped off (with disappearing msgs), but she could have saved them on her phone. Oh well, hopefully that won't come back to me, but I knew she was married, so was taking a risk there.[/QUOTE]This scam / blackmail tactic is happening here in Charleston, SC as well. The girls will record everything and then hand it over to their handler and he will call you and threaten to tell your wife if you don't pay him xxx amount of money. Best advice is to divorce as much of your personal life as you can from these sites. Fake name, fake pictures, burner phone number, email account that is used only for sign up, fake profile info etc. Stay safe fellas!

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5798932]Are you finding these girls on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] or other places?[/QUOTE]Exclusively seeking. But I have a job where I can do work on my work computer and have a personal laptop on seeking and no one is the wiser, meaning I spend a decent chunk of the work day surfing seeking (when I have an active sub).

I'm sure a lot of guys do this, but my basic process:

1) Subscribe to seeking for a month, preferably during one of the holiday sales.

2) This is a numbers game. Yes, you don't want to waste time with ugly or fat, but the wider your options, the more asks you make. The more asks you make, the more girls you can get to text / snap. The more girls you get on text / snap, the more girls you'll meet in person. And the more you meet in person, the more you'll get laid. Unless you just have unlimited funds and truly do not give af, then widen your options. Yeah you might prefer blondes, but there's some gorgeous brunettes. Talk to both. You might like white girls, but there's some Latina girls on there that would love some attention from a professional well put together dude. And if you like black girls I imagine SA in Atlanta is a gold mine. Don't just limit yourself to 18-22 year old want to be instagram models. I also don't chase things that are just screaming pic seller or scammer. If it's a brand new account with only one pic, I don't bother. If it's a few professional level pics, you can safely assume they're just selling content or have GPS. Either way I don't usually engage.

3) Take the time to read the profiles. Yes, they are boring & predictable and will start to sound the same, but fucking read them anyways. Then, after you've gotten past your initial "hi, how are you" and you get a response, ask a question about SOMETHING IN THEIR BIO. "Oh, you like to read, anything good recently?" "You enjoy painting? I'd love to see some of your work" etc etc. It ain't fucking rocket science. If your conversations consist of "hey, how much?" or "hey beautiful how are you?. That's great, can I have your number?" you're just making this harder on yourself.

4) Once you've talked about a couple of things, mention that you'd love to talk more over text (or snap). Find a reason this is better. "I'm not checking the site very much but I'd love to keep up our conversation? Do you prefer text or snap" or "The site doesn't ping me when you message me, could we talk more over text?

5) Once you have them on text / snap, ask for a verification pic to eliminate the fake accounts (send me a selfie doing this unique pose). You'll need to actually start having some game at this point. Sorry, I don't have a special formula here. Keep them talking about themselves, look for opportunities to be flirty (if she mentions to you she's getting into or out of the shower is a super easy layup) or if she mentions something that costs $ ("I really love shopping" or "I'm working overtime / cry") then you can easily say "Yeah, working overtime sucks. You know, we could see about meeting up and maybe I could put some $ in your pocket, take some pressure off" or "Anything in particular?. Oh really, yeah that does sound nice. You know we should meet up and I can put something in your pocket so you can pick that up!

6) Don't mention sex too soon.

7) Don't mention sex too late.

8) Generally once you've got them thinking about how you can help, you can move the conversation into $ territory safely. I prefer to ask them what they are hoping for, but often times they won't answer or dodge the question because they don't want to put a ceiling on the offer. They know if they ask for 300 they'll never get more than that, and they'll never know if you would've offered 4 first.

9) I usually try to set expectations when talking about the arrangement. Before I throw an amount out I'll say something like "Before we figure out the details, let's make sure we'll have chemistry. Do you mind if we talk a bit about your sexual wants?" See, if you ask her to talk about it first instead of just saying "Do you swallow?" you're already not just "another guy" but someone that respects her boundaries. And because she's on the site to make $ then she'll usually say yes. Then talk about what they enjoy, find out if they like to receive oral (they do), what their favorite position is (usually doggie) and so on. If you're really good at this, you can get them somewhat turned on and get a nude or 2 from them. The more you talk about what they want and what they enjoy, they more likely they are to WANT to see you, not just HAVE to see you for $. And once they WANT to see you, then they'll normally come to you on $ unless you just mega lowball them.

9 b) This is also likely when they will begin to talk about what they don't like. "I don't swallow" or "No anal" or "I can't host" etc etc. That's fine. You can leverage these in a bit when you get down to the $. You already know you want to pay 2. Once you feel she's liking the idea of seeing you use the dislikes to move her to your number. Though there is a risk you run that she suddenly decides she just loves gargling your man juice if she thinks there's an extra 100 in it, or she gains a newfound love for butt stuff to get the extra $. Still, that's not necessarily a loss. You might say "I really think we'll have great chemistry! I respect your <insert boundary here\> but that's something I really enjoy. We don't have to do that, but it will impact the arrangement amount. If we do 200 then I wouldn't expect <boundary\>".

10) It's ok to make the first offer, and if they ghost then move on to the next one. Know your market. Atlanta and the burbs are going to be higher $ than more rural areas. I had girls in different parts of the state for 100 or 150, but it's Atlanta I always start at 2. Once you've seen them once or twice, you can always renegotiate "Hey babe, I'd love to see you every week instead of just once a month, what if we do 150 every week instead of 200 every month" Obviously adjust the figures based on your budget and their expectations.

11) Be polite. You gain nothing being an asshole except a block, even if it makes you feel a little better arguing with them and trying to make them feel dumb. One of my best, longest term SBs was a 26 single mom who initially got annoyed with my offer and shot me down. I wished her the best of luck and hoped she found what she was looking for. She couldn't believe I was that "mature" and not being an asshole. I had coffee with her 4 days later, was plowing her from behind 2 days after that, everything bare, for the same $ she had already shot down once. Saw her basically once a week every week for over 2 months before I ended it.

I'll usually end up with 2-3 dates scheduled in a week, and I just assume at least 1-2 of them will flake out and cancel or just no show (also why if it's the first time I'm seeing someone I don't get a room until I see them pull into the parking lot. Once I seen them a few times and get a feel for how reliable they are then I might start getting the room the day before). Once you've got them in the sheets, treat them right, and you'll have a nice little harem setup, and as they drop out because you or them get bored, you can just replenish once the next SA sale comes along. And if you treat them really right, you might even make a few of them purely FWB with no $ (it does happen).

[QUOTE=CuriousInquir;5798301]Were the texts sent to your real phone or a burner phone you use for mongering?[/QUOTE]Yes I use a burner phone for all communications on seeking, the mistake I made was putting a photo on my profile that was tacked to my real Facebook account. The texts I got were to my real phone.

Since I closed my seeking account haven't got any more texts thank god.

[QUOTE=ReffingMan94;5799657]Yes I use a burner phone for all communications on seeking, the mistake I made was putting a photo on my profile that was tacked to my real Facebook account. The texts I got were to my real phone.

Since I closed my seeking account haven't got any more texts thank god.[/QUOTE]Could've been a scam or somebody was really trying to screw with you.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b171c701-d8e2-4fa1-89fa-bce27320bc1d[/URL]

Well I liked her pics, and she gave me her #. We were mostly on the same page, but she said she always does 400 ppm for CFS. I've only gone with 400 a handful of times and it was BFS, and sometimes with photos / videos too. So I'm sure not going to pay that much to wrap it up.

She looks busty in those SA pics, but turns out just a B cup under there. I'm sure they are cute, but she must have a good wonder bra. Anyway she was nice and polite, and if one of you guys want to pursue it, then you would probably have a good time. She does seem real and DTF.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;5799083]Seeing if anyone had intel on [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b8df6aca-9d6b-4387-b00a-d54db020f875.[/URL] Got her to text but haven't really made a full court press on her yet. Thought I'd check here if anyone knew she was real and worth the effort. Pure speculation from her profile is I bet she's selling content, but she hasn't made any attempt to sell me any yet. Even if she's not a content scammer, I assume anyone who self identifies as a model is GPS, but I've had decent luck getting overpriced girls down back down to earth, but it's a lot of time, effort, and charm, and I just want to know if that much work is worth it in this case.[/QUOTE]This one is real, but is just an escort using SA as an ad. Will only give info over voice instead of text (as any good hooker knows never put $ in text) and as soon as we start talking she asks "how long do you want to see me for", which again, is the hooker mentality, not an SB. I ask for her rates, and she starts at 5 but when I tell her no she goes down to 3. She doesn't host. If you're looking for a hottie escort though I think she'd qualify.

[URL]https://privatedelights.ch/USA/Georgia/Atlanta/HoneyNectar[/URL]

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;5800278]This one is real, but is just an escort using SA as an ad. Will only give info over voice instead of text (as any good hooker knows never put $ in text) and as soon as we start talking she asks "how long do you want to see me for", which again, is the hooker mentality, not an SB. I ask for her rates, and she starts at 5 but when I tell her no she goes down to 3. She doesn't host. If you're looking for a hottie escort though I think she'd qualify.[/QUOTE]