Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=BgDoc3;3735344]Have been trying to find a lady for pleasure of the open kind. Age preferably over 25 to 30. Must love what she does and gets into it. No drgs, and love and I do mean love sking and fking and receiving the same. I have reached out to I'm addictive, Candy Bottoms, Cinnamon, a 38 year old lady in Dayton who looks very sweet and lovable, Nicole, Little Latina and the operative word is ZILCH, NADA, silence. How do ladies expect to take care of their needs if they do not bother to return responses. I would love to have a dollar for every time I have said THIS IS S BUSINESS. A simple response is all that is required yet everyday on here and the Dayton boards I read these FKING tales of whoa about how a lady needs money for rent, her PIMP takes her money and spends it at the bars, She can't feed her kids or pay her rent. Any many of us who contact ladies can't even get a FKING response from a lady we would like to see. Makes no sense. Sorry for the words but this CH*T gets old quickly but they expect help. Any ladies interested or do we need to go to an alternative area for our pleasures? It is about SEX in whatever form we need it and how we need it. It is also not when the ladies WTFU and decide they are ready although we can try to work with them. Just saying, come on ladies you know what and why we are on here for. So what's the verdict. Have a good day all putting my pulpit away and moving on down the line. S*x is S*x so let's GET IT ON Isn't that why we are on here. What we are told by our fearless leader The Doctor would love to be in again but right now batting zero.[/QUOTE]When I'm ready to let the Tin Soldier play I reach out to 3-4 different ladies whoever responds first gets to let my Tin Soldier hide in her bunker. I don't put all my eggs in one basket, even if I have something set up,(I like early appointments) if when I text if I don't here back in 20-30 minutes I'll start reaching out to other ladies. This works well for me I also have a 3 girl rotation that if someone doesn't show or respond I know one of these girls will as soon as they see my number. I've wasted viagra before it pisses me off enough to not let it happen again. HL29.

There a huge difffence in being cautious and flat out paranoid. I can appreciate her wanting to protect her and her clients, but her process makes people like me want to just move on and say fuck it.

I've been out of the hobby for a little bit. A few weeks ago I contacted her and she wanted references. The only ones that's I've seen that are still in the game is EE and he won't give references for anyone (to me that's another issues).

I seen a beautiful amazing provider today and Sincy contacted her for a reference and she gladly gave one. I'm not one to screw everyone all over the board, so I'll pick two or three in case someone is busy. Sincy contacted me and told me the provider gave a reference for me. Great. When do we start? So she asks for another one. A few weeks ago it was get a good reference from one of these providers, so I did. Now it's not good enough. I offered my FB account, send a picture, video chat.

Finally I said I did what she asked, if that wasn't good enough I'll polietly move on. One of the providers she suggested me get a reference from actually rubbed me the right way, so I thank you for your suggestion and I'll continue seeing her.

This is supposed to be a getaway from real life for 30 or 60 minutes to relax and fulfill needs, not cause extra added stress.

[QUOTE=Rose4192;3736137]There a huge difffence in being cautious and flat out paranoid. I can appreciate her wanting to protect her and her clients, but her process makes people like me want to just move on and say fuck it.

I've been out of the hobby for a little bit. A few weeks ago I contacted her and she wanted references. The only ones that's I've seen that are still in the game is EE and he won't give references for anyone (to me that's another issues).

I seen a beautiful amazing provider today and Sincy contacted her for a reference and she gladly gave one. I'm not one to screw everyone all over the board, so I'll pick two or three in case someone is busy. Sincy contacted me and told me the provider gave a reference for me. Great. When do we start? So she asks for another one. A few weeks ago it was get a good reference from one of these providers, so I did. Now it's not good enough. I offered my FB account, send a picture, video chat.

Finally I said I did what she asked, if that wasn't good enough I'll polietly move on. One of the providers she suggested me get a reference from actually rubbed me the right way, so I thank you for your suggestion and I'll continue seeing her.

This is supposed to be a getaway from real life for 30 or 60 minutes to relax and fulfill needs, not cause extra added stress.[/QUOTE]When I first came back in June or July I really only wanted to see her but she told me I needed references which I set out to get. I proceeded to see 5 or 6 different providers over about 2 months and then went back to Sincy with my handful of references. One of them was Lacey Foxx who I was seeing a couple times a week at the time and the others were all well known and reviewed. Just like you, I give her my entire history in writing both as a PM here and by Text. For each provider I offered some info for the lady to remember me by. One example was I parked in the wrong place at one girls and we had a laugh about it so I figured that would be a good way to remember me. So after giving her my entire history for those 2 months she completely ghosted me. Lacey kept asking me if I had gotten to see her and assured me she gave me a good reference. My point is that now Sincy knows everything there is to know about me in my own words in writing! Good for her to be safe but what about my safety and my need to be discreet? I have no idea what she will do with my information, I've never met her, I don't know anything about her. Anyway I learned my lesson, no way in hell will I ever offer up that kind of information again. Like you I have found others who I have become quite fond of. So that couple grand I spent in those 2 months could have gone to Sincy but I guess she has plenty of clients and doesn't need it. Bring on the white Knights! You (white knights) can try to blame me all you want but I'm Clean, attractive, reliable, gentle and respectful so I can promise you it's not me, it's her!

[QUOTE=DaytonSteve;3736634]When I first came back in June or July I really only wanted to see her but she told me I needed references which I set out to get. I proceeded to see 5 or 6 different providers over about 2 months and then went back to Sincy with my handful of references. One of them was Lacey Foxx who I was seeing a couple times a week at the time and the others were all well known and reviewed. Just like you, I give her my entire history in writing both as a PM here and by Text. For each provider I offered some info for the lady to remember me by. One example was I parked in the wrong place at one girls and we had a laugh about it so I figured that would be a good way to remember me. So after giving her my entire history for those 2 months she completely ghosted me. Lacey kept asking me if I had gotten to see her and assured me she gave me a good reference. My point is that now Sincy knows everything there is to know about me in my own words in writing! Good for her to be safe but what about my safety and my need to be discreet? I have no idea what she will do with my information, I've never met her, I don't know anything about her. Anyway I learned my lesson, no way in hell will I ever offer up that kind of information again. Like you I have found others who I have become quite fond of. So that couple grand I spent in those 2 months could have gone to Sincy but I guess she has plenty of clients and doesn't need it. Bring on the white Knights! You (white knights) can try to blame me all you want but I'm Clean, attractive, reliable, gentle and respectful so I can promise you it's not me, it's her![/QUOTE]Without seeing her, I'm willing to guess that's she's very good a jacking men off.

Hello gentleman,

So after my horrific experience back in October I've become much more diligent asking for references. I require at least 2 to meet. Sometimes if your an active senior on here and I can look into your posts then I can do with just one reliable ref. Some girls you guys provide will not get back to me. It's not your fault and it's not mine. So while it may seem that your providing me with references they won't ever get back so I have to wait to hear from someone. Also, some references you provide have no history or no reviews so I have absolutely no idea if I can trust them. I understand that this can be frustrating. It's frustrating for me as well. But for my own peace of mind I have to do it this way. I want to enjoy our session as much as you do, knowing that you are safe helps me to relax. In any event sorry for any frustration my screening process caused and I do hope I can meet you all in the future.

Happy mongering and stay safe!

[QUOTE=DaytonSteve;3736634]When I first came back in June or July I really only wanted to see her but she told me I needed references which I set out to get. I proceeded to see 5 or 6 different providers over about 2 months and then went back to Sincy with my handful of references. One of them was Lacey Foxx who I was seeing a couple times a week at the time and the others were all well known and reviewed. Just like you, I give her my entire history in writing both as a PM here and by Text. For each provider I offered some info for the lady to remember me by. One example was I parked in the wrong place at one girls and we had a laugh about it so I figured that would be a good way to remember me. So after giving her my entire history for those 2 months she completely ghosted me. Lacey kept asking me if I had gotten to see her and assured me she gave me a good reference. My point is that now Sincy knows everything there is to know about me in my own words in writing! Good for her to be safe but what about my safety and my need to be discreet? I have no idea what she will do with my information, I've never met her, I don't know anything about her. Anyway I learned my lesson, no way in hell will I ever offer up that kind of information again. Like you I have found others who I have become quite fond of. So that couple grand I spent in those 2 months could have gone to Sincy but I guess she has plenty of clients and doesn't need it. Bring on the white Knights! You (white knights) can try to blame me all you want but I'm Clean, attractive, reliable, gentle and respectful so I can promise you it's not me, it's her![/QUOTE]There is nobody I want to see that bad. One reference should be good enough. I think I made my first post on here November 2012 or thereabouts. If I send her a text that I want to see her, then send her a pm if that's not enough then that's another lady I'd like to bang but won't get the chance. I see girls everyday I think to myself man I'd like to hit that but alas it didn't happen and won't happen she will just join the list. Plus I'm sure her rate is high because she thinks she's worth more for whatever reason. And I'm cool on that. Way to many women out there ready and willing to go maybe if people started not going through those ridiculous changes she sends people through maybe she will change. HL29.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3737014]There is nobody I want to see that bad. One reference should be good enough. I think I made my first post on here November 2012 or thereabouts. If I send her a text that I want to see her, then send her a pm if that's not enough then that's another lady I'd like to bang but won't get the chance. I see girls everyday I think to myself man I'd like to hit that but alas it didn't happen and won't happen she will just join the list. Plus I'm sure her rate is high because she thinks she's worth more for whatever reason. And I'm cool on that. Way to many women out there ready and willing to go maybe if people started not going through those ridiculous changes she sends people through maybe she will change. HL29.[/QUOTE]These women who want 150-200 and hour and how many of us have to work how long to make that amount and they want it in an hour. Don't want to hear I have rent, and expenses to pay. So do we You think we just make our money on a printing press to shell out. Hell I paid a woman and her kids 2 over five hundred so they could have a decent Christmas. She supposedly is a MIT and haven't heard back on that one. From now on I get what I want the way I want it or find someone who will provide it for me. Too many ladies who still think $$s in the wallet is worth more than laying on their asses sleeping in and then crying cause they don't have any money for bills food and clothing for them and their kids. It's a FKING BUSINESS and if you can be a friend to a degree even better but GD few clients and providers ever get married so don't get pissed off when you don't have the cash. I know what I want and how I want it. If you want to provide it fine. If not no problem but my dollars will go somewhere else, and it is out there eiher on USASG, CL, EB, the oThER sites or a number of other sites where ladies like the feel of green in their purses. Just lay down for an hour and let's get busy. If we become friends even better. If not nothing gained nothing lost. Game over I got it you want it and you have what I want. That is what it amounts to. Hell if I like you I have been known to take a lady out to dinner just to show my appreciation for services rendered.

Contacted four more for this weekend NO ANSWERS no VM returns. NO SYMPATHY HERE Sorry not being calous just not a TIME WASTER.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3737014]There is nobody I want to see that bad. One reference should be good enough. I think I made my first post on here November 2012 or thereabouts. If I send her a text that I want to see her, then send her a pm if that's not enough then that's another lady I'd like to bang but won't get the chance. I see girls everyday I think to myself man I'd like to hit that but alas it didn't happen and won't happen she will just join the list. Plus I'm sure her rate is high because she thinks she's worth more for whatever reason. And I'm cool on that. Way to many women out there ready and willing to go maybe if people started not going through those ridiculous changes she sends people through maybe she will change. HL29.[/QUOTE]I have had ladies not meet with me that I really wanted to get together with. This is to relieve stress not create it. I can get that at home. I just chalk it up and move on. Just remember, they have what we all want.

[QUOTE=Rose4192;3736137]There a huge difffence in being cautious and flat out paranoid. I can appreciate her wanting to protect her and her clients, but her process makes people like me want to just move on and say fuck it.

I've been out of the hobby for a little bit. A few weeks ago I contacted her and she wanted references. The only ones that's I've seen that are still in the game is EE and he won't give references for anyone (to me that's another issues).

I seen a beautiful amazing provider today and Sincy contacted her for a reference and she gladly gave one. I'm not one to screw everyone all over the board, so I'll pick two or three in case someone is busy. Sincy contacted me and told me the provider gave a reference for me. Great. When do we start? So she asks for another one. A few weeks ago it was get a good reference from one of these providers, so I did. Now it's not good enough. I offered my FB account, send a picture, video chat.

Finally I said I did what she asked, if that wasn't good enough I'll polietly move on. One of the providers she suggested me get a reference from actually rubbed me the right way, so I thank you for your suggestion and I'll continue seeing her.

This is supposed to be a getaway from real life for 30 or 60 minutes to relax and fulfill needs, not cause extra added stress.[/QUOTE]Not sure where you are getting your info from but verify clients everyday. Now some ladies do not even ask me for references or.

I choose not to verify with some because of prior issues and yes Cinnamon is one of them. But I have numerous posts from providers even Thanking me for replying to their requests quickly. I am a man so I know how men are as variety is the spice of life. Safety is no. 1 for me as no one will see any EE lady without being screened and verified. Do not believe everything these ladies tell you. I consider myself neutral as I see things from the provider side of things and also the clients side. Anyone, providers or clients can text me anytime if they need something. I'm not saying I'm perfect as I am not but I just try be consistent. Stay safe everyone.

Steve,

I know that what you say about your business practices are true. I know several ladies who think you verification is golden.

Of all of the agencies I have dealt with over my twenty year hobby career yours is one of the best.

Keep doing what you do our is greatly appreciated.

BTB.

[QUOTE=EloquentEven;3737342]Not sure where you are getting your info from but verify clients everyday. Now some ladies do not even ask me for references or.

I choose not to verify with some because of prior issues and yes Cinnamon is one of them. But I have numerous posts from providers even Thanking me for replying to their requests quickly. I am a man so I know how men are as variety is the spice of life. Safety is no. 1 for me as no one will see any EE lady without being screened and verified. Do not believe everything these ladies tell you. I consider myself neutral as I see things from the provider side of things and also the clients side. Anyone, providers or clients can text me anytime if they need something. I'm not saying I'm perfect as I am not but I just try be consistent. Stay safe everyone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EloquentEven;3737342]Not sure where you are getting your info from but verify clients everyday. Now some ladies do not even ask me for references or.

I choose not to verify with some because of prior issues and yes Cinnamon is one of them. But I have numerous posts from providers even Thanking me for replying to their requests quickly. I am a man so I know how men are as variety is the spice of life. Safety is no. 1 for me as no one will see any EE lady without being screened and verified. Do not believe everything these ladies tell you. I consider myself neutral as I see things from the provider side of things and also the clients side. Anyone, providers or clients can text me anytime if they need something. I'm not saying I'm perfect as I am not but I just try be consistent. Stay safe everyone.[/QUOTE]Thank you for clarifying Steve. I offered information to Sincy to verify with EE because I've seen several of your girls over the years. She told me you don't do references. Because this is the first time I've had to get references I was led to believe it's not Something you do.

At 140 for a HH I know a lot of other providers who'd love the business including yourself without all the other bs that comes with it.

With all of the talk of various screening processes I wanted to comment. First of all Steve has been great to deal with from all sides of the hobby. I am surprised at the lengths he goes to at times when there is no financial incentive for him. I guess he feels if he helps out, maybe you will remember him next time you have a need.

I happened to see Cinnamon a few times before she changed her requirements. I will say I always had a great time. The biggest reason I do not see her is it is about a 45 minute drive for me. That and the fact my ability to find time to monger has diminished drastically in the last couple of years.

What I consider reasonable you may not. Some ladies have no requirements other than you bring cash. Some want credit card payments in advance. Some want cash plus 3 references, 2 references or one. Some will only accept references from someone they know. Recently we have been talking about some ladies wanting a pic in advance. Then some will only accept validated memberships in certain organizations. Some pussy has no cash requirements but you may need to put in a lot of time and flowers to get it. The point is everything has a price and either you are willing to pay it or not.

A couple of years ago I wanted to see Molly Daniels it never happened. I sent her some references, it did not fit what she wanted and I did not want to put forth extra effort to make the engagement. Who knows. It may have been the worst mistake of my hobby life. She does not generally want reviews but if you do enough checking you will find she has a stellar reputation.

I also thought about seeing Sara Tongue Twister. Once again I did not want to put in the effort, in other words pay the price.

I appreciate all the information here. It saves me time. I am never going to spend time trying to set up a date with someone who wants a pic.

Just like any private enterprise you live and die by the decisions you make. I am never going to go in to Jeff Ruby's and tell him what to charge me. I know it is going to cost and I am willing to pay. If he decides next week to say if you eat here it is going to cost the same money plus, you can only come in with a Tux and shoes that cost a minimum of $600, then I will need to decide if I want to pay the price to eat in his restaurant.

The nice thing about pussy is there is a lot of it around. About half of the population has it. I have seen a lot I would like to have. I have never seen one I could not live with out.

If you do not like their business model do what most of us do in the private sector, we vote with our wallets. I don't care if it is Jeff Ruby's, McDonald's, a streetwalker or a high end escort service. I have the cash and I will decide if and when to spend it depending on what I am getting and or giving up in the process.

Now go have fun.

Fdx.

Long time follower, first time post. I've received some good info from you all hope to return the good times to ya. Will post more shortly. Thanks, be safe.

When it comes to screening, I'm not willing to give out any personal information, period. I understand this has cost me the opportunity to see some wonderful providers. I've been a VIP member of the #1 verification site on the web for several years and I have over 20 provider okays on that site. I have a family and I'm self employed and I'm not going to jeopardize any of that. The only time this has been an issue is with a couple of agencies, however, most agencies have no problem accepting my business after checking me out on that site. My biggest fear is an agency's office gets raided and amongst the other contact info is my contact info with all my personal info. You get the picture. I don't mind giving references, I have many. I understand these agencies wanting to know where they're sending these young ladies, so I don't take it personal or get upset and we've agreeably agreed not to do business. I certainly agree with FDX when he said he's only going to exert so much energy to set something up-there's only so many hoops I'm going to jump through- I had an almost identical experience with Molly, however, Sarah TT was happy to see me and I had a wonderful time, I left her a glowing review on anoThER site and she was kind enough to give me a provider okay and agreed to give a reference if needed. This is an interesting topic and I thought I'd offer my 2 cents. Be safe and have fun, Ace.

[QUOTE=AceJohnson;3737982]When it comes to screening, I'm not willing to give out any personal information, period. I understand this has cost me the opportunity to see some wonderful providers. I've been a VIP member of the #1 verification site on the web for several years and I have over 20 provider okays on that site. I have a family and I'm self employed and I'm not going to jeopardize any of that. The only time this has been an issue is with a couple of agencies, however, most agencies have no problem accepting my business after checking me out on that site. My biggest fear is an agency's office gets raided and amongst the other contact info is my contact info with all my personal info. You get the picture. I don't mind giving references, I have many. I understand these agencies wanting to know where they're sending these young ladies, so I don't take it personal or get upset and we've agreeably agreed not to do business. I certainly agree with FDX when he said he's only going to exert so much energy to set something up-there's only so many hoops I'm going to jump through- I had an almost identical experience with Molly, however, Sarah TT was happy to see me and I had a wonderful time, I left her a glowing review on anoThER site and she was kind enough to give me a provider okay and agreed to give a reference if needed. This is an interesting topic and I thought I'd offer my 2 cents. Be safe and have fun, Ace.[/QUOTE]I never give out personal information. I don't even tell anyone my real first name. I'm fine with giving references, but nothing more than that. My ground rules, along with reading the advice and the reports here have served me very well. I'm going to stick with what works.