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[QUOTE=Herbie53;3892602]It was originally created for the military so that military operatives in high altitude conditions, like mountains, could absorb more oxygen to keep their physical performance at those higher altitudes optimum. The unintended side effect, however, soon caused it to become a top selling pharmaceutical in the civilian world.[/QUOTE]It was originally developed to treat high blood pressure. End of.
A2.
[QUOTE=Admin2;3893036]It was originally developed to treat high blood pressure. End of.
A2.[/QUOTE]Much respect A2. You are correct about its on label FDA approved use when first available to the medical world in 1998.
Years prior to that, because DARPA is constantly looking for ways to improve military performance and readiness in ways normal humans cannot begin to comprehend, there was a request to find a chemical solution to high altitude performance issues for soldiers working in that environment. As late as the mid 2000's, there were still other national military organizations testing sildenafil on their troops in high altitude missions, even though DARPA dismissed it years earlier.
The initial DARPA trials proved inconclusive, showing mixed results. It was concluded that because there is not a consistent, predictable response to high altitude effects from person to person, sildenafil DARPA research funding was terminated. So, the holy grail of a magic drug that can improve high altitude performance for most instead of a few, still goes on. Anyone can search WebMD and other medical websites for sildenafil altitude sickness, and see what has been researched. The basis for that is because of the initial DARPA trials. Most of the later research through the mid 2000's is related to athletics, and in reality, that's what soldiers are, but with weapons.
However, sildenafil did help cardio vascular issues by increasing oxygenation of the blood and reducing stress of the blood vessels for those with pulmonary arterial hypertension and chest pains, so Pfizer obtained FDA approval for that use in 1998 in the civilian world, and again later for ED, because better oxygen sats means better erections, if one is heart healthy.
And just to toss this out there, Provigil (modafinil) also started as a military research project, to find a chemical that would allow operatives on extended missions to stay awake and alert for days without the side effects associated with amphetamines. Prior to modafinil, amphetamines were used, and as most know, side effects from those for long term use can range from addiction to insanity, and coming off of them can be difficult. Modafinil has very little addictive potential and few mental health side effects once terminated. Normal sleep patterns return within a few days, and there is no craving for the drug. Today, on label use is common for those with narcolepsy, sleep apnea, shift workers with sleep disorders, and other physiological fatigue health issue. However, its origin is again military, and as we know, that stuff starts out secret. To this day, modafinil is used by the US Air Force as a keep awake pill, on the ISS for certain crews on extended duties, and many military units around the world in lieu of amphetamines.
Many things we used today started out as secret military projects. GPS is the most commonly known. It was a military research project in the 70's and was known by the early 80's. When civilian flight KAL 007 was shot down over Soviet airspace in 1983, President Reagan said that GPS would be made available for civilian use worldwide to avert such future tragedies. Once the Block I GPS system was finished, it was made available for civilian use with rough accuracy, and in the 90's, President Clinton authorized a finer accuracy for civilian use, but not the highest which is still only accessible for military use.
[QUOTE=LaProduct;3892867]Is there any side effects?[/QUOTE]You can look it up for details as there is probably been the most amount of literature on the side affects of any drug out there. In general, the things most people complain about are flushing of the face (sitting at dinner and the chick asks if you have been out in the sun, just say "yes" ringing of the ears, blue vision, causes your sinuses to get stuffed up, might make your heart race, and a few other things. That is why most people experiment with the dosage, trying to use as little as possible and yet it will still work. For me, I started using it probably 15 years ago. At that time, I could barely do 10 mg before my face turned red. I don't know if it's tolerance over the years or what. I am now at 100 mg and no side effects. But that's different for everyone.
Also, unfortunately, it doesn't work for everyone and some report it doesn't work for everyone. Alcohol screws it up. Also a big meal screws it up.
C3.
I think all of you will find that Cialis (Vitamin C, LOL) works way better than Viagra. Less side effects and better desirable results with it. Plus, if you ever experience the blue vision like I did once, you will never, ever use Viagra again. Scary as Hell.
Anyone got a site (no prescription needed) to buy Cialis? Rather not go to a doc for a prescription, more so for recreational use than "need it". Thanks.
[QUOTE=Brants730;3894013]Anyone got a site (no prescription needed) to buy Cialis? Rather not go to a doc for a prescription, more so for recreational use than "need it". Thanks.[/QUOTE]I used to get them from Canadian but recently been buying them over the counter in Tijuana, which, I will admit, is not convenient for everyone. Most recently been getting them from a compounding pharmacy on Conroy Rd. They make them so the tablet disproves under your tongue. I put one under my tongue and in 20 minutes I am good.
Cost? Canadian Pharmacy is $6-9 a pill.
Tiajuana is about two bucks.
The compounding pharmacy is $12 but does take a prescription. Finding a doctor to write a prescription so your own family doc won't know isn't all that hard to do.
C3.
I found Generic Viagra in Cancun over the counter at COSTCO, yes Costco. It is available pretty much in every Famacia, but at Costco 100 mg tabs are less than $. 90 each! You get 12 for about $10.50 USD. I usually take half when I want an extra punch. I brought back 10 boxes of 12, so 120 tabs for just over $100. It's the real deal too. Some Mexican Pharmacies do not always have good generics. When I asked the Pharmacy Clerk for 10 boxes he chucked so I said, "I have a big night planned tonight!
I didn't check Cialis prices but it is probably close to what C3 saw in Tijuana.
Grain 56.
[QUOTE=Camera3;3894053]I used to get them from Canadian but recently been buying them over the counter in Tijuana, which, I will admit, is not convenient for everyone. Most recently been getting them from a compounding pharmacy on Conroy Rd. They make them so the tablet disproves under your tongue. I put one under my tongue and in 20 minutes I am good.
Cost? Canadian Pharmacy is $6-9 a pill.
Tiajuana is about two bucks.
The compounding pharmacy is $12 but does take a prescription. Finding a doctor to write a prescription so your own family doc won't know isn't all that hard to do.
C3.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Brants730;3894013]Anyone got a site (no prescription needed) to buy Cialis? Rather not go to a doc for a prescription, more so for recreational use than "need it". Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Camera3;3893328]Also, unfortunately, it doesn't work for everyone and some report it doesn't work for everyone. Alcohol screws it up. Also a big meal screws it up.
C3.[/QUOTE]You can have sex or you can digest food.
Thanks, but it's not b / c I'm trying to hide it from anyone. I really just don't want to deal with having to see a doc, and not against getting it on the cheap either.
[QUOTE=Camera3;3894053]I used to get them from Canadian...[/QUOTE]
Two slight things about it. First, it isn't fast. I seem to remember it takes a week or so to get it in the mail. And since you are technically smuggling, it can be confiscated. That happened to me once but the pharmacy cheerfully send a replacement plus a bunch of free stuff for my trouble. The other thing is, the stuff actually came from India. And came in a letter envelop with my address and the return address hand written, presumably to conceal the fact that they are smuggling illegal drugs into the country.
C3.
[QUOTE=Brants730;3894548]Thanks, but it's not b / c I'm trying to hide it from anyone. I really just don't want to deal with having to see a doc, and not against getting it on the cheap either.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Brants730;3894013]Anyone got a site (no prescription needed) to buy Cialis? Rather not go to a doc for a prescription, more so for recreational use than "need it". Thanks.[/QUOTE]My recommendation is AllDayChemist. I have used them for years. Very inexpensive. No script required. Not only for fun stuff but also keep some Z and / or doxy around in case I think I've dipped into a dirty pool.
BTW, check the special interest forum under Viagra & other Performance Enhancements to see reviews and suggestions.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/forumdisplay.php?272-Viagra-amp-other-Performance-Enhancements[/URL]
[QUOTE=Camera3;3894758]Two slight things about it. First, it isn't fast. I seem to remember it takes a week or so to get it in the mail. And since you are technically smuggling, it can be confiscated. That happened to me once but the pharmacy cheerfully send a replacement plus a bunch of free stuff for my trouble. The other thing is, the stuff actually came from India. And came in a letter envelop with my address and the return address hand written, presumably to conceal the fact that they are smuggling illegal drugs into the country.
C3.[/QUOTE]How can it be considered smuggling illegal drugs? Cialis / Viagra are both perfectly legal and available by a prescription. You need a valid prescription from Canadian Pharmacy World to obtain them. If you're buying a legal pharmacy drug with a prescription, how is that illegal? Just because you're getting it a little bit cheaper, it's still free enterprise.
[QUOTE=Vino7373;3895137]How can it be considered smuggling illegal drugs? Cialis / Viagra are both perfectly legal and available by a prescription. You need a valid prescription from Canadian Pharmacy World to obtain them. If you're buying a legal pharmacy drug with a prescription, how is that illegal? Just because you're getting it a little bit cheaper, it's still free enterprise.[/QUOTE]So are opioids or even pennicillin. Fact is the prescription drugs are ALL controlled by big pharma. The only difference is the heat won't be bugging you over a small shipment of Viagra.
[QUOTE=Grain56;3894493]I found Generic Viagra in Cancun over the counter at COSTCO, yes Costco. It is available pretty much in every Famacia, but at Costco 100 mg tabs are less than $. 90 each! You get 12 for about $10.50 USD. I usually take half when I want an extra punch. I brought back 10 boxes of 12, so 120 tabs for just over $100. It's the real deal too. Some Mexican Pharmacies do not always have good generics. When I asked the Pharmacy Clerk for 10 boxes he chucked so I said, "I have a big night planned tonight!
I didn't check Cialis prices but it is probably close to what C3 saw in Tijuana.
Grain 56.[/QUOTE]I get Cialis from mail order CVS 5 mg 90 day supply for $105.00.
[QUOTE=LaProduct;3892867]Is there any side effects?[/QUOTE]The only side effect for me me was finding enough woman to fuck and suck me for about 48 hours straight. Once nutted 4 times in 4 hours. Of course each time took longer.
Sox.