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[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7188913]I am not even interested in that question. They probably won't tell me if I ask. Bookers and bosses hate to expose things to mongers, unless you are truly on the inside, or they have some benefits in leaking stuffs. I doubt this is about bad customers. NNKG even stopped updating ad on HX and listing rate. Booker J still seems to work with a few trusted bookers. I think Viola is a rebrand of Sia.

Whatever spooked them, I think all we can do is to be doubly vigilant as you said. May want to check out all the bookers who book a girl to see if you can trust them all, before booking. There are way too many rebrands and MILFs to catch my interests. I think the Kgirl scene is done if no new import in six months. One HYA import a month is not exactly encouraging. Import from the Bay is not my idea of FOB.[/QUOTE]You might not be interested but I bet more than a few of us, including me, are. You are right that they won't spill the beans about what happened outside of their inner circle. My main reason is not out curiosity but more to do to with a selfish penchant for self preservation. I don't care what happened, however, I'm more concerned that I don't know who to avoid going forward to not be part of what spooked them. We don't even know if the coast is clear yet. Outside of NNKG, everyone else they dealt with is suspect. I think it's a good idea to maybe browse your local HX, AMP, or even PD classifieds.

[QUOTE=Taliesin92;7188932]Absolutely gawdamn right. I've been arguing against the multi-booker system ever since I returned to the k-girl scene after taking a COVID-era break. I still don't understand why the powers-that-be decided to make that nonsensical change.

Older guys here will remember, the system worked much better when girls were handled by ONE booker only. The trains ran on time. The bookers kept the girls under control AND the customers under control. Everyone had to be on their best behavior or one of the more dominant bookers, like J, could end your career. It was a far greater deterrent to bad behavior than any threat from Uncle LEO. That kind of strict, booker-enforced discipline was important. It kept everyone safe, or at least, safer than we would be otherwise.

That efficient, functional system fell apart and I still don't get why they made the change. If it ain't broke, don't fix it![/QUOTE]It's an extension of what you described as a beautiful business model. Before certain bosses went rogue against the norm and tinkered with increased pricing, they were still brainstorming for ways to earn more money and keep the girls busy. Naturally, they settled on booker networks. No one booker, unless they were closely associated, had the same list of clients. There would always be overlap but the remaining fringe clients were potential $$s. This was especially important during COVID when demand took a nose dive for obvious reasons. After COVID, bookers realized how valuable they had become and collectively pushed for a larger piece of the pie. As a result, mongers started to notice the slow increase in donations to absorb the added cost (shit rolls downhill to customers from increased overhead / costs). At the same time, small time bookers started popping up all over the place and middle of the road bookers focused more on increasing client lists than safety for the girls and the extant clients. It use to be that kgirls was an exclusive club that was hard to get into because they required no nonsense and quality customers. I'm not sure that standard exists now. And in the background of all this, you had bad blood / rivalry between bookers, infighting among girls, and scammy owners.

And that's how I met your mother. Kidding aside, that's my short form narrative of it based on my experience, talking with a lot of the girls, slip ups from some bookers, and intel from bros. Take it as fiction or not, change happens all the time, but the only thing that matters is how you react and what steps you will take in the face of it.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7189035]...that's my short form narrative of it based on my experience, talking with a lot of the girls, slip ups from some bookers, and intel from bros.[/QUOTE]That sounds like a plausible explanation. So then, it seems to me, the next step should be: Let's go back to the old way of doing business. When things get out of control, it's important to rein in that shit. Just look at the USAID scandal. They got totally out of control. So now the grownups are back and they are reining in that shit. No more paying thousands of dollars for trannie comic books in Peru. The powers-that-be in the k-world need to do the same thing. Get their house back in order. Consolidate power. Bring back common sense. Make the k-girls great again. LOL!

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7189020]You might not be interested but I bet more than a few of us, including me, are. You are right that they won't spill the beans about what happened outside of their inner circle. My main reason is not out curiosity but more to do to with a selfish penchant for self preservation. I don't care what happened, however, I'm more concerned that I don't know who to avoid going forward to not be part of what spooked them. We don't even know if the coast is clear yet. Outside of NNKG, everyone else they dealt with is suspect. I think it's a good idea to maybe browse your local HX, AMP, or even PD classifieds.[/QUOTE]It's times like these when I laugh at the people hating on sesang booker. We need her strict screening to keep us safe and not let these shady mongers in. I feel like the people complaining are either blacklisted or one of those shady mongers. Like some of these new bookers barely even screened me which is very concerning. During my last stint in WLA when all this shit happened, the girl I was seeing told me that her last customer left without paying. And guess what, it was a new booker lmao. I was super late to get in too and the guy I saw that came out the side gate before my appt drove some shitty broken down prius. Like be fr right now, who screening these guys. And another time some dude literally got caught in the front by the manager when he was suppose to go through the side. I may not like SSG new location because it's in k town, but we need bookers to go back to exclusive, seen too many shady people last few months.

[QUOTE=Stonkz;7189083]It's times like these when I laugh at the people hating on sesang booker. We need her strict screening to keep us safe and not let these shady mongers in. I feel like the people complaining are either blacklisted or one of those shady mongers. Like some of these new bookers barely even screened me which is very concerning. During my last stint in WLA when all this shit happened, the girl I was seeing told me that her last customer left without paying. And guess what, it was a new booker lmao. I was super late to get in too and the guy I saw that came out the side gate before my appt drove some shitty broken down prius. Like be fr right now, who screening these guys. And another time some dude literally got caught in the front by the manager when he was suppose to go through the side. I may not like SSG new location because it's in k town, but we need bookers to go back to exclusive, seen too many shady people last few months.[/QUOTE]I'm actually fond of the place. It has a vintage feel to it and it's like I'm transported back in time. The smell though is obnoxious. It smelled liked they just finished mothballing the place an hour before I arrived. You get use to it though and I was busy with Nali to be distracted by it after 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=Taliesin92;7189067]That sounds like a plausible explanation. So then, it seems to me, the next step should be: Let's go back to the old way of doing business. When things get out of control, it's important to rein in that shit. Just look at the USAID scandal. They got totally out of control. So now the grownups are back and they are reining in that shit. No more paying thousands of dollars for trannie comic books in Peru. The powers-that-be in the k-world need to do the same thing. Get their house back in order. Consolidate power. Bring back common sense. Make the k-girls great again. LOL![/QUOTE]You are framing it as though we mongers have the power to change it back. I don't think we do. There's just not enough reach through these forums to rally such a change. The only thing that will force a change is if something happens that is bad and large enough to markedly affect everyone's bottom line.

No, I did not say to lay low. I would explicitly say to stay low if I feel enough heat and they haven't gotten me yet.

Perhaps these bookers got spooked cause of my posts. I meant to warn bookers of shady mongers and LEO cause everybody seem too lax for my taste.

Wearing a hat may protect you somewhat but not if the incall was already exposed and you are in it when they knock on that door. I am just saying to keep your eyes open and avoid places that seem easy for LEO to visit.

[QUOTE=Stonkz;7188945]So what you're saying is that it's a good time to lay low right now? Most new places I been too have cameras so I wear a hat.[/QUOTE]

While I don't think it's as bad as you fear, I am also not an insider. Do what you think is best. I am foolish enough to continue to see Kgirls until something shake me. When many OGs went into hiding after FOSTA, I did the opposite and stood up for Kgirls. My love for Kgirls override any fear I might have. But I remain paranoid.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7189020]...I'm more concerned that I don't know who to avoid going forward to not be part of what spooked them. We don't even know if the coast is clear yet. Outside of NNKG, everyone else they dealt with is suspect. I think it's a good idea to maybe browse your local HX, AMP, or even PD classifieds.[/QUOTE]I did a lot more boning than talking and gathering intel, but I think the same as you. FOSTA and CV being gone led to this. OGs disappeared and bookers started having trouble recruiting girls and retaining clients. We lost a massive number of reviewers. Tough screening became a hindrance to making money so the bosses had to cooperate with more bookers to get more clients. Basically, girls and bosses choose money over safety. Some bookers with a big list became like the CV or Amazon of Kgirls. This change cannot be stopped unless something big happens, or some bookers once again prioritize safety over money, like the bookers who stick with booking just their own girls.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7189035]...that's my short form narrative of it based on my experience, talking with a lot of the girls, slip ups from some bookers, and intel from bros. Take it as fiction or not, change happens all the time, but the only thing that matters is how you react and what steps you will take in the face of it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stonkz;7189083]It's times like these when I laugh at the people hating on sesang booker. We need her strict screening to keep us safe and not let these shady mongers in. I feel like the people complaining are either blacklisted or one of those shady mongers. Like some of these new bookers barely even screened me which is very concerning. During my last stint in WLA when all this shit happened, the girl I was seeing told me that her last customer left without paying. And guess what, it was a new booker lmao. I was super late to get in too and the guy I saw that came out the side gate before my appt drove some shitty broken down prius. Like be fr right now, who screening these guys. And another time some dude literally got caught in the front by the manager when he was suppose to go through the side. I may not like SSG new location because it's in k town, but we need bookers to go back to exclusive, seen too many shady people last few months.[/QUOTE]Sesang is not any more stringent than other bookers validating newbies. You are in a definite minority that says k-bookers are easy to get in with. The problem with Sesang is they suck as service people. They treat their girls like slaves, not partners or employees. Also, I read here that many mongers do not like it when a girl asks for the paperwork upfront which is silly since this leaves the way open for bad actors to just not pay or not pay the correct amount for services they enjoyed.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7189236]Perhaps these bookers got spooked cause of my posts. I meant to warn bookers of shady mongers and LEO cause everybody seem too lax for my taste.

Wearing a hat may protect you somewhat but not if the incall was already exposed and you are in it when they knock on that door. I am just saying to keep your eyes open and avoid places that seem easy for LEO to visit.[/QUOTE]Whatever the reality, it is natural to overreact. That's what safety requires. I've clarified two things by PM, but I'm sure there's more we don't know about and don't involve any of us.

There was one important info that had to be shared. Sometimes a unit is unsafe and bookers should know. The best is to text the booker if you see something you feel is unsafe. Most things I see are minor, like a customer loitering. Easily addressed.

Very rarely, the location cannot be made safe or there is something weird. Maybe that's why some agencies don't want to be connected. I wouldn't myself, if I were them. I've PM'd you the details, it's "not a big deal" at the same time as "I still wouldn't be associated with that". Nothing to panic about, but this is a public forum. I think some panic is due to the unknown, because most problems are "that is not safe but also probably okay" kind of problems.

As you say, greed and conflict of interest are a big problem. They are the root of most problems. Single booker agencies have a huge advantage here in solving them. You were right that we need SSG. It is telling that when a popular girl shows up, regulars are good to go while a few are ghosted until later. I would not be too offended if that happens, it's what we would have done if we were them.

About conflict of interest, it needs to be said if there is a bad location selected, there is still an incentive to keep it. It's an honest mistake to make, but there is now a bad incentive to keep it. That incentive is for only one person, at the risk of every booker that books it. The bookers might not even know, that's what conflict of interest does. Hope that's clear. There is nothing malicious, but it is still "a bad idea". The vast majority of locations are well selected. If neighbors are happy, nobody cares. They are just trying to enjoy their lives same as everyone.

HX is an important tool. It screens between unfriendly agencies, whether going from the thai booker to a korg or in reverse. It is reassuring when even a bunch of flaky white girls think a guy is safe for years and years. I have heard and known guys rescreen using new phone numbers out of desperation, but it's a non-starter to rescreen by HX since it takes months and years and it would also be obvious how new the account is. The gap between the two is huge.

[QUOTE=RockItAllNite;7189288]Sesang is not any more stringent than other bookers validating newbies. You are in a definite minority that says k-bookers are easy to get in with. The problem with Sesang is they suck as service people. They treat their girls like slaves, not partners or employees. Also, I read here that many mongers do not like it when a girl asks for the paperwork upfront which is silly since this leaves the way open for bad actors to just not pay or not pay the correct amount for services they enjoyed.[/QUOTE]Let me clarify. I never said all K bookers are easy to get in with. Some of these newer ones that have just popped up barely screen, not the OG ones. And out of all the bookers, SSG was the toughest for me to re-screen when I got back to hobbying after a break. And I agree it's better to pay upfront than anything but many people don't like it. I can't comment on how they treat their girls as I don't like to get involved. Only thing I hear is sometimes they miss their break. Just my perspective, as long as the girls are free to leave, it's none of my business.

[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7189199]You are framing it as though we mongers have the power to change it back. I don't think we do. There's just not enough reach through these forums to rally such a change. The only thing that will force a change is if something happens that is bad and large enough to markedly affect everyone's bottom line.[/QUOTE]I think we do have some level of influence. Obviously, not as much as the agency owners themselves. But we know for a fact that some owners, bookers and certainly some k-girls read the messages posted here. I've had girls quote back my own posts to me, without knowing it was me who posted it. One particular girl speaks little English, so I asked her, how did you read that post? And she said, translate app! So we know they are going out of their way to read this stuff. The owners and bookers, especially, would have to be idiots not to read it. At least occasionally. It's valuable customer feedback. Procter & Gamble would kill for a forum like this to get real-time, real-world comments on their products.

Moreover, there are guys here who have been in the game for 20 years or more. They probably know the business better than some of the younger owners and bookers. That's the same reason I come here — to read what those dudes have to say. Sure, we also have a lot of stupid young guys (young, dumb and full of cum. LOL) but it's obvious who they are after 2 or 3 posts, and you can ignore them.

So, bottom line, I think we mongers can have some impact on the decisions being made by the powers-that-be. It is in their own self-interest to listen. We pay their bills. Then, of course, when something bad happens, that will be the ultimate determining factor. And the customers can say, "I told you so!

[QUOTE=Taliesin92;7189653]So, bottom line, I think we mongers can have some impact on the decisions being made by the powers-that-be. It is in their own self-interest to listen.[/QUOTE]

Well, we can point out the obvious. When playing chess with a friend, you can point out what is a good move or a bad move and they can see it for themself if it's true. They don't have to like you or know you well to see this.

It is not hard to go back to a single booker system. The multi-booker system exchanged and connected the customer pool. But by now, if someone wants to see your girl they probably already have. The best customers who see lots of girls, they already know them now. The risk mainly comes from brand new customers, or customers coming in through a different new booker with very low standards. If something weird happens and "maybe it's okay maybe not", a booker might not be able to communicate that clearly to other bookers or solve it. No one wants that risk. This is why I noted the OG agencies that have mostly regulars are by far the hardest to screen. It should be obvious why, screening protects existing customers and girls and thereby everything else.

I'm sure most multi-bookers already know that a new booker who is lax hurts everyone and ruins the easy fun. I know the multi-booker system will not go away, I don't want it to. There are some important benefits to us. So if it's going to stay, there has to be some standards. It used to be girls would not add extra bookers until later, rather than "as many as possible day one". Having way too many bookers for a girl is the real problem imo.

It needs to be said that the customer pool is over-connected. I don't know why certain customers are even allowed. Even he knows he will be disappointed and has already been warned, but it happens again. At least he is safe, but this org is just not for him. So why not do what SSG does and ghost the lower tier customers until a girl has done half her tour. The girl's regulars see her over and over, she's happy too. We are talking about a golden goose laying golden eggs here, don't interrupt it. Then things get slow and maybe she takes the other customers. Someone who is new or "safe but usually disappointed". Give them a chance then.

If a girl is off the clock, she can have lunch with who she wants in her free time but it has to happen outside. Otherwise, common sense means don't interfere with appointments, don't get banned. I wonder if that's what happened in the weird situation someone reported. We all make mistakes but it's trouble.

[QUOTE=HiKeke;7188986]Except the trade off is heavily one-sided. And not much beneficial to us mongers.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I just didn't want to be the one to say it. There are many difficulties to being single booker, most of the reasons are boring. Vacation, wild up and down swings in traffic, skill and experience, having backups. I won't name them all. I noted before there is a trade-off. Multi-bookers have more liability, but also more profit until problems happen. You pointed out the trade off doesn't benefit us and that is mostly true, but I didn't want to put it as us vs them when I'm just pointing out chess strategy. There are some winning moves for everyone, both in safety and excluding the very bottom tier customers. I did want to point out the long-term benefits of single booker are underappreciated. They don't have bottom tier customers, it's mostly the same guys for a decade. OG korgs would love to send bottom tier customers to their competition and all they have to do is nothing! They just ignore them. I clearly pointed this out a year ago.

By the way, I don't know why LA bookers don't instant ban drunk customers or worse. That does not fly in neighboring cities, so you can't even say it's necessary or anything. It is by far the number one complaint of girls who toured LA versus OC or SD for years and years. It is an easy fix. None of the other complaints are easy to fix, just that one.

The reality is, what really matters is each person does what they think is right. Each person votes with their wallet. I'll put it this way. If in 5 or 15 years something happens, I'm pretty sure the other options like AMPs, thai bookers, strip clubs, and so on will barely notice. In fact, so will most single booker agencies.

[QUOTE=Stonkz;7189083]...we need bookers to go back to exclusive...[/QUOTE]Yup, there is a reason why M was "impossible" to get in with back in the good ole days. It also kept rates in check.

We were at Defcon 5 before 1/31 from my observation. Other bookers still carry on as usual anyway.

I felt like my concerns are brushed off or swept under the rug when I raised it to bookers. Maybe I will raise it here in the future so bros can decide if they want to go to a location or not.

Yes, I knew the things you PM'ed me. It didn't occur to me before, but as you said, it was "not a big deal" but also "I still wouldn't be associated with that". So just like my observations caused me to start sending out low key warnings, NNKG prolly saw the potential of LEO snooping and wanted to watch and see if anything will happen to the low hanging fruits. NNKG is an OG booker and they are more cautious than the newer bookers.

Just like when Boston happened, some bookers stopped advertising rate, stop booking outside of LA, and password protected. I didn't think Boston would impact us, but there was non-zero chance it would. Just like back then and now, I am not panicking until I feel more heat, just advise some caution is a good idea.

HX is better than nothing, but I would rather have the old way of using references. I even advised some bookers to get on HX in the early days when CV went down. They were just like HX noobs. I had to tell a booker that they used HX in an unsafe way and they fixed it. It wasn't intentional. They were just inexperienced on HX.

You can fish for / buy rating on HX, get some desperate girls to rate you. You can go back to high level quickly from new accounts if you have a posse. Higher chance of allowing the wrong guy in if not savvy with HX.

Multi-bookers system has zero benefit for me. I could already book any girls in SoCal quickly or way in advanced when they were exclusive. I don't try to get around BL. I can't trust new bookers.

[QUOTE=DownloadX;7189520]...There was one important info that had to be shared. Sometimes a unit is unsafe and bookers should know. The best is to text the booker if you see something you feel is unsafe. Most things I see are minor, like a customer loitering. Easily addressed.

Very rarely, the location cannot be made safe or there is something weird. Maybe that's why some agencies don't want to be connected. I wouldn't myself, if I were them. I've PM'd you the details, it's "not a big deal" at the same time as "I still wouldn't be associated with that". Nothing to panic about, but this is a public forum. I think some panic is due to the unknown, because most problems are "that is not safe but also probably okay" kind of problems...

HX is an important tool. It screens between unfriendly agencies, whether going from the thai booker to a korg or in reverse. It is reassuring when even a bunch of flaky white girls think a guy is safe for years and years. I have heard and known guys rescreen using new phone numbers out of desperation, but it's a non-starter to rescreen by HX since it takes months and years and it would also be obvious how new the account is. The gap between the two is huge.[/QUOTE]