"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Hernando;1651724]Interesting observation JG. I have to admit that I wonder about many of these SBs who were brought up in decent homes, probably taught appropriate moral behavior, and who are willing to sell themselves. Of course we SDs are buying so we are complicit in perpetuating the the system. On one hand I am grateful that we are able to "help" these needy young women but at what cost? This phenomenon goes waaaay beyond a small % of girls. SA has published numbers which I forget at the moment but they are significant. So even excluding the desperately needy unemployed and single mothers, middle class college girls are casually seeking easy money to make ends meet, or even to gain a thrill, add to that wardrobe, whatever the motivation. I asked several therapists who see these girls what is up? The answer is financial need, on line opportunity, and a desensitizing of moral limits brought on by the Madonna, Brittany, Paris, Kardashian role models. Girls are shown that they, like men, can use their sexuality to forward their agenda in life. Exit June Cleaver and Doris Day. Which attitude is better? Probably somewhere in the middle. I know that I don't want my daughter in the Sugar Bowl. A double standard? You betcha. See you on SA[/QUOTE]Every SB I've had, every one, has had some sort of Daddy issue.

Man I feel like I am studying for my PHD SD / SB. I have been reading the forum for four straight days now and I am about 50% through it. I am so glad I found this site. I must thank the great Magic Rat for that. I am not very close to the Richmond area (Florida) but this site seems to have national status. Amazing. There is I believe an incredible need out there on both sides and this forum helps with that.

At Zomby, I hear ya man. I am a little worried but not too much. The chance of getting HIV infection from one unprotected encounter is 1 in 5, 000, 000 (JAMA) there is a lot of scare bullshit going on out there. In fact for a male outside of a high risk group through intercourse getting infected is almost non existent.

For HPV it is more likely but still not so common and most strains (there are 100) of HPV the commercials and scare ads don't tell you is that they are harmless and go away on their own. Only about two strains are really dangerous.

Now getting struck by lightning is 1 in 8500 in your lifetime. So yes there is risk. But so is this hobby. And so is being outside in a thunderstorm and I have done that a lot.

I agree on the other point about them trying to tempt me back into the club. I am sure some of them want to do this. But it does not work for me because I am never going to spend that much on them in the club. As I would OTC.

So to continue I have two more stripper / sugar babies that I recruited via visits to clubs.

#3 We will call her M.

This one is probably in the looks department as close to a 10 as I have gotten interest in. She works for a very famous club and is absolutely gorgeous. Someone recently told me that the 9's and 10's are easier to get out of the club than the lower looking ones. Because they so need validation of how hot and desirable they are. And this beautiful young thing proves this out. She is about 5'6" with a very thin athletic build, man this body is toned. Could not weigh more than 105lbs. She is blond with the most piercing dark eyes. She has perfect erect puppy dog nose breasts, and an ass you could serve a beer on. This is a limited touch club and she crawled over me like a cat in heat.

I would give her a 9 head and a 10 body. I have had her dance for me on three occasions and I know she has seen me in the club a few times other than that. I did the same kind of thing. Worked on her with as much charm as I could muster. And slowly started to get away with more than what is allowed in the club. And she let me. One time she stopped me. But then turned around and smiled at me and told me I was bad. This was in a very good way. Next time she did not stop me. Many kisses later when she was done dancing I asked her that magic question. And she immediately gave me her number and made sure I got it right and even showed me on her phone very discreetly that she got my test call.

I texted her a followup after leaving the club but no response. Then about a week later she texts me and tells me out of the blue. She is out of town trying to make some money at another club and it aint going well. So I tell her I can help her out, but she would have to help me out too. She immediately says OK. I tell her I will text her when she gets back into town. I did a follow up text but no reply so far. I believe we are at that point where Golf has talked extensively about. Where she is trying to accept how far she will go. And I am at the point where I need to not push the string. I am staying polite and giving her space. I learned this here and I believe many times in the past this is where I fucked up. Not going to happen this time. I am going to give her a little space and let her come to the sugar. But it aint easy. I can see that sweet little apple bottom ass in my minds eye with that perfect pink pussy just winking at me. Cold shower please?

On to #4 we will call her R:

I don't know what it is but these mixed raced latinas have been really working me over lately. So I go into this high end club that C works at since she could not make it that day. And when I go in there she is a awesome 20 yo. 5'5" melado latina. That had the body of a goddess and the face of an angel. Amazing thing was she was friendly bright happy vivacious and no dude was even paying her any attention. But those dried up old skanks in there had plenty of attention. I will never understand this. I have to say with me. I am not in this hobby for ugly or fat or skanky broads I appreciate beauty.

Anyway she was so cute. I would give her a 9 head and a 10 body. And the most perfect silky smooth almond colored skin. And hair. Many girls of this complexion don't exactly have the best hair. But this one had a head of hair like Liz Taylor when Liz was hot. And she was so cool to talk to. I came all the way across the club to go and get her. And she told me later that she really liked it when a man does this. Assertiveness is a turn on to women. They want a man to be a man. To lead and set the tone. I think this is a very little understood part of the SD / SB subculture, the dominance and assertiveness of a mature man vs the weak effeminate boys that these girls date on a regular basis. But that is for another day.

She sat with me and did some dances and they were out of this world. I almost surely thought we were going to get busted. She did everything I told her and more. And she wanted to please me. She has only been working for 6 weeks and she knows how to please already. Once again did not show any interest in the money. These are all good signs. She has a regular job and she is a student at the local Community College. Sophomore studying HR Management.

We talked and she easily gave me her number. I had to go and I texted her a few times but she was not very responsive. But today I had a couple of hours between appointments and I decided to see if she was working. I texted her and she was so I came in. When I got there she jumped into my arms and we had an even better session. Then she would curl up with me and snuggle and slowly stoke my cock through my pants in a way that no one could see. Remember this is a no touch club. It was awesome. It was all I could not to bust one right there in my pants.

So I told her to blow off work on Friday at the club and meet me. She had agreed to meet me earlier now it was just an issue of logistics. She was thinking about it and I know she wants to but she did not fully commit. I told her no pressure. Thanks again Golf, don't push the string. I got to let her come to the sugar. So we will see how this goes.

What do you guys think? Am I getting anywhere? Am I screwing up?

I have not registered for the SA site but I hear you guys say that you do not use your real name. Do you create a fake name or a handle like we use on here?

Thanks for all of the help.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1651724]Interesting observation JG. I have to admit that I wonder about many of these SBs who were brought up in decent homes, probably taught appropriate moral behavior, and who are willing to sell themselves. Of course we SDs are buying so we are complicit in perpetuating the the system.[/QUOTE]Fortunately, some of us aren't engaged in anything immoral, so we don't have to worry about feeling that way. (:

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[QUOTE=Hernando;1651724]Interesting observation JG. I have to admit that I wonder about many of these SBs who were brought up in decent homes, probably taught appropriate moral behavior, and who are willing to sell themselves. Of course we SDs are buying so we are complicit in perpetuating the the system. On one hand I am grateful that we are able to "help" these needy young women but at what cost? This phenomenon goes waaaay beyond a small % of girls. SA has published numbers which I forget at the moment but they are significant. So even excluding the desperately needy unemployed and single mothers, middle class college girls are casually seeking easy money to make ends meet, or even to gain a thrill, add to that wardrobe, whatever the motivation. I asked several therapists who see these girls what is up? The answer is financial need, on line opportunity, and a desensitizing of moral limits brought on by the Madonna, Brittany, Paris, Kardashian role models. Girls are shown that they, like men, can use their sexuality to forward their agenda in life. Exit June Cleaver and Doris Day. Which attitude is better? Probably somewhere in the middle. I know that I don't want my daughter in the Sugar Bowl. A double standard? You betcha. See you on SA[/QUOTE]I don't see anything inappropriate about most of these girls behavior. Lets exclude the total pros and drug addicts from this discussion. This is a booming and trending upward phenomenon. In the past the girl would have to marry the money at a young age. Having been through the entire feminist movement from the beginning. This is just the most recent chapter. In many countries the whole sugar lifestyle is considered quite normal.

The current president of south africa has 4 wives and other assorted mistresses. The last president of france had his wife and mistress at his funeral. In China no senior executive worth his salt has less than 3 sugar babes at a time decked out in high style. I see the price for the babes in direct correlation to the economy as well as supply and demand. The supply is going up way faster than the demand. The prices are actually fair. And far cheaper than a wife. It will always be a bit on the fringe. And so was smoking pot, openly gay folks and working women in general just a short time ago. This is the new age of aquarius but where women can assert themselves in a sex positive environment. The pimp population has fallen dramatically as the free market and the pioneer spirit of america thrives in this new media. I love the internet.

I often wonder about the socio-economic background of the girls. I see SD profiles from girls from wealthy suburbs, and it still doesn't add up. I mean girls who are decent financially wiling to do this still hard to believe. One guy mentioned daddy issued, I wonder how many were sexually abused or molested, and thus have cognitive dissonancein regards to sex, so they detach all meaning from it. Though I did read an article about a study that said pornstars were no more likely to be molested than girls from similiar demographics, so I guess it could be true of sb's as well (at least I hope). I would hate to be in an arrangement with someone from a ruff child hood. Now fellaz I have a question about city markets and prices. I am in the chicago market, but it seems even fat chicks here want 300$ per meet two of them even wanted 500. I have no problem with 200 per meet for 2-3 hours session. I notice in the Southern California thread guys were getting hott chicks who are in shape for cheaper than what fatt chicks are asking for in Chicago. The cost of living in california I higher than Chicago, so I'm trying to understand why are Chicago prices higher than California prices.

Girl sends me a kiss on SD4ME. I send $ offer. Here is her response.

"Thank you I appreciate you going into details I'm completely on board with everything and I'm serious about meeting so I would prefer to call or text if that is possible? Also I agree with the arrangement you have laid out but I hope it gets past that (:."

Meaning past the $ offer for a play date. She is 19 and cute. Not a prom queen but very doable. So bing bang and it's done. I could get one new one a day if I had the time or money. Usually get a few a week and make it to one new girl a week. With 4 regulars thats about all I can handle. But my pipeline is built up. This approach by far gets me the most positive responses.

No difference if I contact them first

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1652720]Girl sends me a kiss on SD4ME. I send $ offer. Here is her response.

"Thank you I appreciate you going into details I'm completely on board with everything and I'm serious about meeting so I would prefer to call or text if that is possible? Also I agree with the arrangement you have laid out but I hope it gets past that (:."

Meaning past the $ offer for a play date. She is 19 and cute. Not a prom queen but very doable. So bing bang and it's done. I could get one new one a day if I had the time or money. Usually get a few a week and make it to one new girl a week. With 4 regulars thats about all I can handle. But my pipeline is built up. This approach by far gets me the most positive responses.

No difference if I contact them first[/QUOTE]HG's methods work. I got more $ SB's than I have time for. And I stumbled upon a 24/26 year old bisexual couple. They are both smoking hot solid 8's. Lipstick lesbians. Revealing outfits and four and five inch heels respectively. They decided they needed some money and some real dick. We had some conversation over wine. I told them, I felt more of a connection with the 26 year old, but I'd really like to have them both. They were like "let's go upstairs". Best threesome I've ever had in my life! And I've had a lot of threesomes. It's amazing the difference when the women are truly bisexual and into each other. It was a full on three hole affair with nothing off limits. Real kissing, pussy licking and orgasms all the way around. In fact, I made a real connection with the 26 year old. We took her partner home after round one and she came back to continue play time and spend the night. She is coming back over tonight sans partner. Chemistry is everything gentlemen. Don't ever discount it.

Now this was a pair of true sugar babies. They told me what their needs were before playtime. But said "we will not ask for money or tell you an amount because that would make us prostitutes. A Sugar Daddy gives what he wants to give." They get it. And even better I do too.

Chief of the Boat."Prepare to Dive."

SubCmdr Out!

P. S. I actual thought about not even reporting it. Forgiveness is requested if this is considered bragging.

Man that is awesome. Just when I think I have some lofty goals in mind. You come along and raise the bar.

(You bastard.)

By the way what was the sugar amount and were they cool with it?

[QUOTE=Rob Taylor;1652607]I notice in the Southern California thread guys were getting hott chicks who are in shape for cheaper than what fatt chicks are asking for in Chicago. The cost of living in california I higher than Chicago, so I'm trying to understand why are Chicago prices higher than California prices.[/QUOTE]You guys are setting the market prices, so that's what they expect.

If you're not a Lotto winner or willing to pay $$$$$ for a Beauty Pageant Queen, don't set the market above what you want to pay.

Rev, it sounds like you are having fun hitting the clubs, so continue to enjoy it while throwing lines out in hopes of catching the citation. You will score eventually but I think the club girls are a different breed and mentality. This is like fishing. You go out on a nice night, secure your spot, throw the bait out to drift in the tide. Meanwhile you are enjoying the journey, the ambiance, the excitement hopeful that the big one will come along. Occasionally you get a nibble or land a little one that you have to throw back. You spend a bunch of "gas, food, and bait " money, and most often go home empty handed with only your memories and empty wallet to show for it. But sometimes! You get the keeper, and that is what keeps you coming back.

I visited an AMAZING club in Tampa, Fla a few years ago. The dances were $20 each so on $$/night you can sample a lot of the talent and troll for take home dining. This experience was a much higher quality one and much cheaper than my Virginia area. The girls here tend to be more Nando 1s. My experience here is you spend a lot of money for a lot of effort and little return. Emotionally the small victories are disappointing. I don't know why the difference but if I lived in Tampa I would be a regular.

Dealing with strippers in clubs does provide for a bit more entertainment as part of the process. Turning them into SB, that's a skill. I've had take-out and dine-in on more than one occasion, but never thought about converting. More power to you Rev. Also for SA you can sign up as you, it's the email address that you use to communicate with the SBs that should be a psuedo. Make sure to use a name that doesn't sound fake. Depending on your level of "007" you can ride that alter ego as long as you want. I have some young ladies who I dealt with for months that never new my real info.

Revvo. Trival question, why do you use "head" instead of "face" when you are giving your ratings? Are you including hair, ears, shape of her head as part of the assessment, LOL.

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The read on why SBs do what they do has been interesting. I don't have much to add, but I will say that most of the SBs that I run into, love the attention. The money and gifts are great, but the attention and being made to feel special are the things that many crave the most.

I don't know where they came up with that 3k-4k per month average, but as I've told a couple of SBs."If you can get that deal, take it!".

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It was mentioned that my looks may have something to do with my success. I can't completely disagree, but I do feel uneasy giving it too much credit. I think looks are a factor, but I don't think it's a big factor. Let me be clear, I am by no means walking out of a GQ magazine. I'm not bad looking, I have a average to slim body. So I really don't put too much weight into that, when it comes to the low sugar amounts. I like to think that I'm very particular with who I target and treat them with respect, adoration and lots of compliments and flirting. I try to deal with as many of their physical and emotional needs as possible and that approach has allowed me to keep my sugar amounts lower. I also offer a way for the sugar to go up over time. In the end, I don't have a lot of long term SBs, but the chase is a blast.

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Update.

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Had a great hotel date with MsBored ($ in her coat pocket). Lasted about 4 hours. Come to find out, I was the in between fling. Her and her man had broke up for a few weeks. Now they are back together and she feels guilty. So she's in love and I can respect that.

One of my young hotties has me on pause as she's debating starting a serious relationship with another person. I should know by the end of the week. My guess is, she's going to go with that and I'll have to link up with her some months down the road.

The other young hottie has been very busy with working 2 jobs, but we are actually meeting for a hotel date tonight. She finally admitted that her roommate situation is not going to allow me to come to her place. So she understands that her sugar will be low as long as I have to pay for hotels. We are on for tonight, I'll probably give her ($). This will be a 2 hour date, but she's soooo worth it.

The hot MILF. That has went from great to uuuugh! Recently I saw her 2 times during the week, then we were together for 3 overnights, Fri-Monday. All was great. I don't even want to do the numbers on the hourly rate. Gave her ($$) for the weekend. I did pay for the room for 3 nights and paid for all meals and activities. But this week her personal situation got worse and it's affecting her attitude and she's drinking more. She was borderline drunk when I picked her up at 6:30 for our last date. She's turning into a Nando1. Such a bummer. I'm probably going to have to let that go.

I'm trying to find someone to replace MsBored, since the other two seem to be on their way out too. I like to keep at least 2 local who can keep me busy.

I'm flying in my BigButtBeauty next week. 2 days. 2 nights and she'll probably leave with $$$ in cash. How do I manage this. Let's do the math. Flight is $250 round trip. I cut back on the quality of the meals. Instead of two $120-$150 meals. I keep both meals less than $60 each. She'll have spending money for when I'm not with her and we'll spend most of our time in the room. So it's comparable to some of my local action. Difference is that I know the sex is going to be wonderful. The personality is off the charts and whatever I give in money will be appreciated.

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SubCmdr. You are definitely my hero! Keep up the good work and definitely report back!

BigTigg

I agree with your guys take on strippers. They can be a pain and way too much drama. But I was in mid stream with these four little fish when I discovered this unique hobby. And I have invested some money and quite a bit of time. So I believe I am going to let these four play out as I transition over to the SB world.

NANDO, I know the club you are talking about Mons Venus it is world famous and in my report POT #3 was plucked from that club. And she is as close to a 10 as I have ever got the chance to bag. And this club has a bunch of 9's and 10's.

Question: I have heard quite a debate on here about offering her money up front for sex? Do you guys prefer to do this Or is it better to let her bring it up?

Love this thread.

Gadzooks! That is the fastest way to end your career and several other things as well.

There are delicate ways to imply that you are willing to help with some of their financial needs in return for an intimate relationship. You might ask them for some private time off campus so that you both can discuss your budding friendship. Make it clear that you expect intimacy and ask her how you can help her achieve her goals. You might suggest booking a nice hotel to carry out this conversation where you can have a glass of fine wine and munchies. Let her know she will be providing the munchies haha

I can't remember all of which ones these link to in which posts, but for the ones I'm sure of, I'll let you know.

Remember what happens in fight club stays in fight club. As in, don't be a jerk if you recognize someone.

Ms Bored.

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One of the two Young Hotties I mentioned. She's really nice and a great catch. I'm hoping that later she comes back and I can make her #1.

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The Second of the Young Hotties, the one that is still around.

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Very good time had with this one up in the Philly-Del area. This was a great week, kitty was tight and she had great sounds.

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Big Butt Beauty from Md. She had GPS. She was very freaky, but the chemistry was off.

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Smoking hott SB from the Richmond Va area. I made a calculated mistake with this one, so the relationship ended pre-maturely after a few months.

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Young SB from MD. Lots of foreplay, I could not close the deal before she weirded out on me.

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Thanks for the show and tell. Nice! It's good to put a breast with a name.

I think some of subCmdr's luck is rubbing off on me. MsOxyMoron (aka young hottie #2) left the SA site. Says that she was too busy working and just not up for all it took to manage. She just wasn't finding what she wanted. Now I did not take this personal as I never offer the big money they are looking for. Up to this point, I'm giving $ per meet (plus paying for hotel). We get to talking about her bills, etc and her desire to move. I ask, how much per month is she short to move into a place that she wants. She say $300 per month. I ask how much does she need to quit the 2nd job. She says $800. I'm like wow, that's a hefty monthly sum.

So I propose the following. She finds a place of her own and I'll foot the $300 per month difference. We'll have to talk about it in advance and agree on a 6 month or 12 month arrangement to coincide with the lease term. She was so excited and says that she'd even give me a key and I can see her as much as I can get free. I apologized that I could not help with the 2nd job, but I'm 100% in on helping with the place.

Now this probably could be slippery ground for some. But I feel pretty cool about this arrangement. I was spending more than this monthly just seeing her twice a month. I'm guessing, including meals and entertainment, I'll be looking at $500 or less per month and getting drained up to 2 to 3 times a week. Plus, no restrictions on my other activities.

Ok my brothers, I've given my word that if she finds a place, I'll do my part. So I'm not looking for advice. But I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

BigTigg

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1654180]I think some of subCmdr's luck is rubbing off on me. MsOxyMoron (aka young hottie #2) left the SA site. Says that she was too busy working and just not up for all it took to manage. She just wasn't finding what she wanted. Now I did not take this personal as I never offer the big money they are looking for. Up to this point, I'm giving $ per meet (plus paying for hotel). We get to talking about her bills, etc and her desire to move. I ask, how much per month is she short to move into a place that she wants. She say $300 per month. I ask how much does she need to quit the 2nd job. She says $800. I'm like wow, that's a hefty monthly sum.

So I propose the following. She finds a place of her own and I'll foot the $300 per month difference. We'll have to talk about it in advance and agree on a 6 month or 12 month arrangement to coincide with the lease term. She was so excited and says that she'd even give me a key and I can see her as much as I can get free. I apologized that I could not help with the 2nd job, but I'm 100% in on helping with the place.

Now this probably could be slippery ground for some. But I feel pretty cool about this arrangement. I was spending more than this monthly just seeing her twice a month. I'm guessing, including meals and entertainment, I'll be looking at $500 or less per month and getting drained up to 2 to 3 times a week. Plus, no restrictions on my other activities.

Ok my brothers, I've given my word that if she finds a place, I'll do my part. So I'm not looking for advice. But I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

BigTigg[/QUOTE]That's a good deal, your name won't be on the lease so what have you got to lose? Not much. And get the key, haha

So I have been reading alot. And I joined SA and I even got a profile up. And even recieved a few winks 5.

I am just curious about a few things. What do you guys and girl think of the ads with $1000 to $3000 per month, and the $3000 to $5000 etc. Do you go after these or do you just go after the negotiable ones?

What about the ads that haven't been logged on in a month or two. Do you send emails to these? Does that do any good?

What about the ones without pictures. Do you ever respond to the ones without pictures?

I am getting really excited about this hobby.

On the question before that was poorly worded my bad. It was late. I just was referring to talking about money up front vs waiting for the Baby to bring it up.

An update on my four Strip Club SB's. #1 Is still around but I am giving her a little room to breath. Maybe can get the price down a little. Started off way to high. She is beautiful and great in the sack but is needy for money.

#2 C I have not heard from her since my offer. She does respond to my texts but nothing else. Giving her space also.

#3 M Same here She agreed to my offer but is only responding to me nothing else. In fact I texted her real polite like and said "text me when you have some time to chat. I would love to hear from you". I sent this to both C and M. Neither one has sent me anything in two days. I am not going to smother. Lets see what happens.

What do you guys think of the text and the strategy?

#4R Had a really great time in the club. She did just about everything she could do to me in there and it is a no touch club. She told me several times that was just for me. DFK very intimate. Invited her out of the club. But she did not respond. I believe she is thinking it over. Space for this one too.

Lots of space.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1654180]I think some of subCmdr's luck is rubbing off on me. MsOxyMoron (aka young hottie #2) left the SA site. Says that she was too busy working and just not up for all it took to manage. She just wasn't finding what she wanted. Now I did not take this personal as I never offer the big money they are looking for. Up to this point, I'm giving $ per meet (plus paying for hotel). We get to talking about her bills, etc and her desire to move. I ask, how much per month is she short to move into a place that she wants. She say $300 per month. I ask how much does she need to quit the 2nd job. She says $800. I'm like wow, that's a hefty monthly sum.

So I propose the following. She finds a place of her own and I'll foot the $300 per month difference. We'll have to talk about it in advance and agree on a 6 month or 12 month arrangement to coincide with the lease term. She was so excited and says that she'd even give me a key and I can see her as much as I can get free. I apologized that I could not help with the 2nd job, but I'm 100% in on helping with the place.

Now this probably could be slippery ground for some. But I feel pretty cool about this arrangement. I was spending more than this monthly just seeing her twice a month. I'm guessing, including meals and entertainment, I'll be looking at $500 or less per month and getting drained up to 2 to 3 times a week. Plus, no restrictions on my other activities.

Ok my brothers, I've given my word that if she finds a place, I'll do my part. So I'm not looking for advice. But I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

BigTigg[/QUOTE]I would jump on that immediately. I'm spending twice that a month and not getting anything close to what that would bring. And she's looking extremely good to me.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1654348]So I have been reading alot. And I joined SA and I even got a profile up. And even recieved a few winks 5.

I am just curious about a few things. What do you guys and girl think of the ads with $1000 to $3000 per month, and the $3000 to $5000 etc. Do you go after these or do you just go after the negotiable ones?

What about the ads that haven't been logged on in a month or two. Do you send emails to these? Does that do any good?

What about the ones without pictures. Do you ever respond to the ones without pictures?[/QUOTE]Well, first, it depends somewhat on where you are and what the going rate for your area has worked out to be. In the expensive areas with lots of big-money SDs in the pond, $3K a month may be average; in most smaller places with few big fish, a few hundred a month should net a decent selection of babies, despite what they advertise. Many start off thinking that if a girl can get $3K in New York City they can get it in Winnamucka, but reality sets in eventually. I live in one of the latter areas, so consider that with what I say.

Many of the girls that list the $1k-$3K range can be talked down to reasonable amounts, especially if they've been on the site for some time. As I said, many start off with unrealistic expectations and then learn the lay of the land. The ones that list higher amounts ($3K-$5K or above) have in my experience been far less likely to negotiate realistic amounts; they have their standards, and they're not going to change, which is their right. But only the truly exceptional ones get that kind of money, because in most areas there are relatively few men that can afford that.

On the ads: I think you can consider any profile that hasn't logged on in 3 or 4 weeks or more to be an abandoned profile. Either the girl has found a daddy, she's given up the search in that particular pond, or she realized that she wasn't cut out for the game. That's especially true if their sign-up date is close to their last-logon date. You have to be careful in the other direction too. For example, I know one girl in my area that has at least 4 different profiles; 3 of them are fairly similar but use different pictures (the pics are of her but in different outfits and all hide her face) , and the other is a dom / sub style profile where she thinks she can get a lot more per month. She checks every one of them every day, too. It's mighty gamey, in my view.

I check the overview of every profile, pic or not, for the basics. If she generally fits my criteria for age, size, race, etc, I'll read the description. If she sounds like a possible, I'll write. You can't catch anything if you don't put the hook in the water. I always require pictures before actually meeting, though. Even then, I've been fooled a couple of times. Rule of thumb: Google search EVERY pic she gives you before the meet. It can give you important info on what you're dealing with.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1654180]I think some of subCmdr's luck is rubbing off on me. MsOxyMoron (aka young hottie #2) left the SA site. Says that she was too busy working and just not up for all it took to manage. She just wasn't finding what she wanted. Now I did not take this personal as I never offer the big money they are looking for. Up to this point, I'm giving $ per meet (plus paying for hotel). We get to talking about her bills, etc and her desire to move. I ask, how much per month is she short to move into a place that she wants. She say $300 per month. I ask how much does she need to quit the 2nd job. She says $800. I'm like wow, that's a hefty monthly sum.

So I propose the following. She finds a place of her own and I'll foot the $300 per month difference. We'll have to talk about it in advance and agree on a 6 month or 12 month arrangement to coincide with the lease term. She was so excited and says that she'd even give me a key and I can see her as much as I can get free. I apologized that I could not help with the 2nd job, but I'm 100% in on helping with the place.

Now this probably could be slippery ground for some. But I feel pretty cool about this arrangement. I was spending more than this monthly just seeing her twice a month. I'm guessing, including meals and entertainment, I'll be looking at $500 or less per month and getting drained up to 2 to 3 times a week. Plus, no restrictions on my other activities.

Ok my brothers, I've given my word that if she finds a place, I'll do my part. So I'm not looking for advice. But I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

BigTigg[/QUOTE]Never put anything in your name. You will eventually regret it. $500 a month for 8 to 12 visits is awesome. You could not do that in L. A. With a hottie unless it was true love. LOL.

[QUOTE=CantWinLosin; 1654859]Well, first, it depends somewhat on where you are and what the going rate for your area has worked out to be. In the expensive areas with lots of big-money SDs in the pond, $3K a month may be average; in most smaller places with few big fish, a few hundred a month should net a decent selection of babies, despite what they advertise. Many start off thinking that if a girl can get $3K in New York City they can get it in Winnamucka, but reality sets in eventually. I live in one of the latter areas, so consider that with what I say.

Many of the girls that list the $1k-$3K range can be talked down to reasonable amounts, especially if they've been on the site for some time. As I said, many start off with unrealistic expectations and then learn the lay of the land. The ones that list higher amounts ($3K-$5K or above) have in my experience been far less likely to negotiate realistic amounts; they have their standards, and they're not going to change, which is their right. But only the truly exceptional ones get that kind of money, because in most areas there are relatively few men that can afford that.

On the ads: I think you can consider any profile that hasn't logged on in 3 or 4 weeks or more to be an abandoned profile. Either the girl has found a daddy, she's given up the search in that particular pond, or she realized that she wasn't cut out for the game. That's especially true if their sign-up date is close to their last-logon date. You have to be careful in the other direction too. For example, I know one girl in my area that has at least 4 different profiles; 3 of them are fairly similar but use different pictures (the pics are of her but in different outfits and all hide her face) , and the other is a dom / sub style profile where she thinks she can get a lot more per month. She checks every one of them every day, too. It's mighty gamey, in my view.

I check the overview of every profile, pic or not, for the basics. If she generally fits my criteria for age, size, race, etc, I'll read the description. If she sounds like a possible, I'll write. You can't catch anything if you don't put the hook in the water. I always require pictures before actually meeting, though. Even then, I've been fooled a couple of times. Rule of thumb: Google search EVERY pic she gives you before the meet. It can give you important info on what you're dealing with.[/QUOTE]Go for big numbers of girls to meet and offer less than you are willing to pay

Big Tigg, you are the deal maker of the board. I am impressed! The economics works out big time. The only downside is if you tire of her and you honor the agreement anyway. But it looks pretty easy to force yourself to enjoy her for 6 months.

Revvo " I am just curious about a few things. What do you guys and girl think of the ads with $1000 to $3000 per month, and the $3000 to $5000 etc. Do you go after these or do you just go after the negotiable ones?"

The $ 1 to 3000 generally settle on $1000, which is $250 / pop. This is an average escort cost / hr but hopefully with a true SB and not a hooker in disguise you can spend many hours if not the whole night together.

$3 to 5000 / month and above are GPS and should be avoided as arrogant or ignorant. Rarely they are exceptional and some rich SD will pay them. There is certainly not as much competition for the GPS girls.

No pictures? Pursue them if they sound good My ATF HCG had no pics, and when she put up pics they were not good, but I saw her anyway and had a wonderful 1 1/2 yrs.

No recent log in? They are taken. Just be patient and keep checking. The according to SA bloggers the avg lifespan of an arrangement is 4 months. Your fav will be back most likely looking for another. Anyone off for 2 weeks or more are taken or quit trying.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1654954]Never put anything in your name. You will eventually regret it. $500 a month for 8 to 12 visits is awesome. You could not do that in L. A. With a hottie unless it was true love. LOL.[/QUOTE]I concur with never putting anything in your name. However, these women can do the math just like the rest of us and my guess is that a 6 to 12 month time frame is like planning a lunar landing. She probably can't think much past next week. Your money comes out up front and then what? Hope you are lucky and come back here with great stories and photos but I have tried similar arrangements and it just has not worked out. I think your unit cost (price / pop) will go up. Just my prediction.

Good luck Ol' Buddy!

LL

Hi Guys,

I found this thread a couple of months a go and find it one of the most informative discussions on this site. I have partaken in the Strip Club scene for a long time across the US as I had a job that forced me to travel every week all across the country. But that is no longer. I am back in my home area in Central Ky. For the last almost 5 years. I am just considering getting into the SB arena.

I currently have an ongoing SB like relationship with a MILF stripper that has been going for the last 4 years. It did take me a while to get her to agree to it since she had not done this before. If you have the time to spend and like the challenge it can work out. This relationship works for the both of us. We both are married but her SO is a Trucker and is never home. She is in her mid 30's, at her sexual peak and loves DATY. We have had sessions at her house, my house and occasionally at a hotel when she has a stripper friend in town working that is not using the room. This has had it's ups and downs due to things we both go through but normally we see each other about 2 to 3 times a month and can be initiated by either one of us which works great. It just does something for a 50 year old guy when a hot stripper sends you a text wanting to know when you are available to play. The play time usually lasts about an hour or two and she is VERY multi Orgasmic (is that even a word?)

Our latest meeting was one of the best ever. She text me on Monday wanting to know my availability for the week, I sent her back I would be off on Tuesday as usual (which she cannot remember for some reason). She sends back a few minutes later that she will have a room available after 12:30 Tuesday afternoon when a friend goes to work. I sent back Great and the conversation drops I guess because we both got busy or something. I thought about our meeting as the day went on and on Tuesday morning and was planning on calling her Tuesday afternoon. As I am running errands at about noon she calls and is very chatty which is a little unusual because we usually just set things up by text. As the conversation goes on she reveals that she has been up all night reading a book that she could not put down once she got into it. To make a long story shorter she stayed up all night reading 50 Shades of Grey or as she put it Pron. You can buy at Wal-Mart. I think the total on her O meter that afternoon was at least 5 or 6 (I actually lost count). I know I had a lot of fun and hope she reads her book again.

As we were getting ready to part ways she let me know she is on a new med to help her loose weight and quit smoking which one of the side effects is a increased sex drive (thank you modern medicine). I have to say she is looking good and has lost down from a size 10 to size 5 pants, which makes her small C's up top look even better.

If you are wandering my donation to her is 60. 00 each time we meet and I never have to pay for a room.

I have had success with two other girls from the local Strip Clubs but this is the only one that has lasted. One of those is now a regular on the local BP scene and the other I have lost contact with completely.

So the Strip Baby can work out but usually takes a lot of time and money in the beginning and also I recommend that once you get the meeting started outside the club that you cut back on going to that club as they still expect you to spend as much on them when you are at the club as usual and that is not my goal once the outside meetings are going.

To comment on some of the things below I think if I were to give a small gift to a SB on first meeting it might be a certain Book. LOL.

I do need a little help also. I am having a problem finding the SA website could someone share the URL.

Good Luck Guys and keep up the post.

Kyman

I had a question about the experiences of the many master SD Mongers on here. When you post your profile on the SA site how many winks do you get vs how many emails and winks you send out? I am assuming this process requires you to go find them and then get them to bite correct?

Also I have noticed that I have about 39 girls have read my profile. Now I am in a very large market Florida and seem to be a lot of Sugarbabies in this market. But I do not have any sort of picture up yet. What has been you all's experience. Do I really have to have a picture to get noticed, or to get real responses?

Also I have read through the entire forum front to back but there are too many gems on here to remeber it all. Is there a way to flag certain golden posts for future posterity?

Update:

RSCSB#1: My first strip club baby is still on the line and willing. However after last times lackluster performance, and asking for more money I am going to hold off for a while besides she is expensive. I still text her hello every few days to stay in touch.

POT#2: She is C. Looks real good for this Sunday. We have been missing each other a lot. Both our faults but more her. She has always indicated that she wants to see me and sends me enccouraging texts. No stripper shit at all and no mention of money. Also never has tried to get me into the club. This one I think maybe is more likely than the others willing to meet. But the flake factor is high. Our wires crossed for yesterday afternoon and I was left blue and dry. But the warden is going to be out for Sunday and we are scheduled to meet then. I will be locked and loaded.

POT#3: M. The hottest looking one. But just giving her radio silence at this point. I am giving her space but will check in with her next week. Any ideas on how long for a potential baby you should give them between contacts when you are still trying to get them on the hook. She has already taken the bait, (agreed) to some sort of arrangement, but not agreed to a time and place. Should I just offer a M&G first?

POT#4: R. Second hottest and sexiest. She is all over me in the two short club meetings we have had, amazing chemistry and she has tried to break every rule in the club and probably half a dozen local statutes. I know the difference I have been with a lot of strippers. But have not had a lot of luck getting her out of the club. She says she is anxious to do this. And I have called her and texted. But her responses on the phone and text have been kind of weak. She has not talked money or asked me to come into the club also. No stripper shit or any hard luck stories, no nando 1 sympoms yet. I have offered in a very polite and non graphic way to help her out. And she told me no. She might just be into this without the money? Or she might just be having a problem accepting that this is about P4P? Not sure. I even thought of asking her outright. What do you guys think?

I love this thread. I have to be careful that this does not consume me.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1652725]She is coming back over tonight sans partner.[/QUOTE]New ATF. SD4m. 26, 5'5' 3 hole access, Bisexual, has own apartment, unlimited visits, no set $ amount ("A Sugar Daddy gives what he wants!")

I love Southern California.

Chief of the Boat "Prepare to dive!"

SubCmdr out!

[QUOTE=Ky Man629; 1655458]I do need a little help also. I am having a problem finding the SA website could someone share the URL.

Kyman[/QUOTE]Google 'seeking arrangement' and you'll see the URL

[QUOTE=Revvo;1655741]Any ideas on how long for a potential baby you should give them between contacts when you are still trying to get them on the hook.[/QUOTE]What do Daddy's want? PUSSY What do garden tools want? MONEY.

Don't beg these garden tools to take your money. Once you put the offer out there, she will call / text / email when she is ready to get paid!

SubCmdr out!

[QUOTE=Revvo;1655741]Also I have noticed that I have about 39 girls have read my profile. Now I am in a very large market Florida and seem to be a lot of Sugarbabies in this market. But I do not have any sort of picture up yet. What has been you all's experience. Do I really have to have a picture to get noticed, or to get real responses?[/QUOTE]I have pictures that are not public. So I show them when I initiate. I've found that not many hit my inbox without a photo. So you have to send more emails and let them see your private photos to get their attention. I can be a lot of work, but definitely engaging.

*Check your PM Box*

BigTigg

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1655801]Google 'seeking arrangement' and you'll see the URL[/QUOTE]Thanks for the help. It worked like a charm today, I did that a few day a go and got nothing.

Thanks again

If you look at sdfm there is a space for age preference. I noticed that most of the HCG twenty somethings want someone in the under 40 age range, more specifically 20 to 30. Rarely a SB puts 30 to 80. My guess is that unlimited age requirements mean that SBs are more into the Sugar alone rather than finding someone who might also be a potential partner. This explains why older SDs do not get any response from some likely candidates. If HCBs are not your preference then you have no problem. I have not noticed this as much on SA. Perhaps there are more sophisticated girls there who appreciate age and wisdom (not to mention a bigger bank account)

[QUOTE=Hernando;1658521]If you look at sdfm there is a space for age preference. I noticed that most of the HCG twenty somethings want someone in the under 40 age range, more specifically 20 to 30. Rarely a SB puts 30 to 80. My guess is that unlimited age requirements mean that SBs are more into the Sugar alone rather than finding someone who might also be a potential partner. This explains why older SDs do not get any response from some likely candidates. If HCBs are not your preference then you have no problem. I have not noticed this as much on SA. Perhaps there are more sophisticated girls there who appreciate age and wisdom (not to mention a bigger bank account)[/QUOTE]I don't see a field on SA that states Age Preference so I believe the SBs don't really think about it until they are contacted. Leaves them more open-minded in my opinion.

It is 3:23AM and I am writing this report just so I can get some sleep. I have been posting on this site for a short while and I have been attempting to get into the sugar bowl down in FLA. I am transitioning over from the Strip Club world but not without a few rough patches along the way.

So last week I was into Stripclub POT Baby named C. very nice 7 head 8. 5 very athletic body. Studying physical therapy in the University of Central Florida. She has texted me repeatedly and always responded to my texts and last week she complained about money and I told her I could help her out if she could help me out. She said yes. Then everything went south. If you think young SB's are flaky that is nothing compared to Strippers. But I always try to stick with the ones that have something going on. Either another job. Actually going to college etc. But still no luck. She just quite answering my texts.

Then there is R. She is my favorite POT Baby at the moment. So hot melado light skinned black girl with white girls hair. Absolutely beautiful. The couple of times I have been in the club with her she has done just about everything you could do without fucking in there. And I have hardly ever paid her much. Student new to the club. Perfect natural perky breasts. Her idea to meet outside of the club. But when I get her on the phone text or voice. She does not seem so anxious. I honestly think she may have a problem with the P4P thing and want to just see me straight up. I actually offered to help her last week and she refused on the phone. She is a fickle one she is. Need to let a little more line out. Frustrated. Tempted to reel in my line and head for another reef. (we fish for real fish down here, the kind that are as big as you).

So I called my first and only real SB her name is F. and she readily agreed to meet me. Now F is a Strip club SB but she has no drama to speak of. Other than always hinting around about more money. But we get along great and no complaining no stripper shit, nothing. She has kids and takes care of them and lives in a decent neighborhood and a nice house. She is divorced. She is always on time and reliable. So it's hard to classify her as a Nando1. Beautiful head, nice body. So we got together went to lunch and had a truly pleasant time. Lots of interesting conversation. She has also cut down on the smoking and drinking. No BS. Honesty like Scott says is truly liberating. I can say anything I want to her and she does the same. And she fucked my like a $2 working girl. In fact my dick was sore after this. And she was bleeding afterwards. She says she has polyps on her ovaries or something like that. She worked my dick over like it was gumby. I waxed that ass every way I could think of. Both came twice. It was quite a day. But she is very expensive. First one, paying way too much. Need to get some more fish in the boat.

Then we come to today. Traveling to Austin and I go to my favorite SC in Austin. And there is the knockout AA chick that is a dead ringer for Tyra Banks. And just as tall as her except very small titties. So you know how beautiful she is. We get some dances and she gets my number and promises to meet me at my hotel after 2:00 Am to fuck me. No talk about money. And so as I am leaving I am accosted by this other stunning little thing that is Cajun Puerto Rican. Those mixed race girls are so gorgeous. Student at UT, physical therapy. See a pattern here. Perfect pierced breasts, an ass you could serve a beer on and a head like an angel. With these deep dark eyes that look right through you. We start talking and I tell her to come see me at my hotel. She immediately talks money. We settle on $300 and I tell her multiple pops she says yes. I go back to hotel to wait all excited that I am going to get me some first class Cajun / Peurto Rican pussy tonight. Boner all the way back to the hotel. She calls me on my cel and texts me no kidding about 12 times within the next 2 hours, several times asking about the money. Finally she gets to the hotel and wow is she even better in the light of the hotel lobby. Well now she asks me to pay the cab. I say ok. Jake the one eyed snake says what the fuck is another $20? Ok I tell him. But you better not get in this fine pussy and just get all excited and throw up right away. You got to make this pussy last.

Gets to the room and starts asking for the money. I said relax about the money. She says I have been burned before. I said I will put the money on the table. And she says ok. Then she starts talking about a tip. I let out a big sigh. And rolled my eyes. Then we get naked. OMG what a body. She is all over my cock. And Jake is yeah suck me dry, revvo give her what ever she wants and shut up. But I stop her because she can suck a dick like no one else I have ever seen. She is sucking it perfectly. I mean no teeth not even gums. Lots of sloppy spit. But one thing. She literally stops mid suck and starts talking about a tip. FUCK, FUCK, FUCK. Fucking strippers. Someone needs to teach these crazy bitches something about customer service.

I tell her to forget about the money. Suck my cock and don't stop. Until I come in your mouth. You know what she does. She goes down on Jake even better. Now she is really working on him OMG. She is deep throating Jake, and she is making this noise this gagging gurgling sound like she is going nuts. I was astounded. It was like I was watching a porno. But it was my dick I was watching. Here is a stone cold solid 9. 5 deep throating my dick like in a porn movie. You have to understand this does not happen to me. I am a married man. So I can't take it anymore and I explode. She swallows it and keeps on sucking. She is now milking me dry. It was wonderful. We lay down on the bed and cuddle. Nice moment. Until wait for it. SHE STARTS TALKING ABOUT A FUCKING TIP AGAIN! Oh my fucking god! I am going to loose my mind.

Now you have to understand. I am going nuts inside. But on the outside we are having the most pleasant conversation. I don't get angry. And she is not mean or bitchy she is quite pleasant. And intelligent. She just will not stop with the money talk. I tell her forget about the money. She brings it up again. I say. Make my dick hard again. I figure that should shut her up. And she does. She starts deep throating me again. This time I got to get Jake into the pussy. He needs to see the inside of the pussy. It has been two days since F. We go through the major positions. I splooge again. She is all excited but I doubt she ever came. Her mind is just on the money. She sends me some pictures of herself naked and clothed. Maybe I will post one on here if I can protect her anonymity. I gave her a $40 tip. It is all I had left. I would have given her a $400 tip if I had it just to shut her up. I told her I come to Austin often. If she can chill about the money I will call her and no one else. She agreed. We will see. She is a world class cocksucker.

Damn these strippers. I will send another report about my little bit of experiences on SA so far.

Good job Rev. What you lose in bedding % you make up for in enthusiasm. Strippers really seem to be the consummate tip oriented providers since they are paid by the dance. They never really lose that mindset. In my experience the absolute best girls are those single students who have their own apartment and who's financial needs are covered by the parents. Your funds go for extras and they are still young enough to be impressed by a simple dinner out. My former HCB loved chain restaurants so dinner and drinks were only $50 and she liked Walmart. Gee I miss those days!

Re: Age preferences

The majority of new enrolees (again talking SDFM since they list age preferences) desire men in the 20 to 32 age groups I observed before. I have a question for the Board. How many of you gents are under 40? How many under 30? I'm just wondering how many under 30 yr old guys can afford to " blow" (pun intended) $ 1000 to 3000 / month on Sugar plus entertainment costs, hotel, etc? I know there are plenty of totally loaded young guys, but I would think the average Joe is not.

Nando,

I hear ya brother. This is a complex and fluid sport we have signed up for. There were some frustrating times this past week. To use the fishing narrative a little more. There was a couple of times I felt like taking my rods and breaking them over my knee, and throwing them and all of my fishing tackle overboard. And saying fuck it. But I put it in perspective and realize I need to give this a real serious try and learn from these mistakes that many times are mine.

I agree on the stripper mentality. I am in the process of transitioning from the strippers to real full time SB's. However the kind of sort of scratch the itch in the meantime. It wasn't all bad last night. It was something watching L do the porn star thing on my dick. And there were times I sat in amazement at how she pranced around my hotel suite completely buck naked such a beautiful creature. Without any modesty at all.

Yeah. You had a winner there. She covered all of the basis. But they all go eventually. In fact there is a quote that says "in every relationship someone will always get left".

When you really think about that. And accept it. It is very liberating. It kind of mutes the need for attachment.

Anyway thanks for the words,

Revvo

Well it is 3:03 AM this time and my sweet little Cajun delicacy L, just left. Man that girl can fuck. So after our last visit she started texting me the next morning and throughout the day. Of course she wanted to get together again. She is going to UT and runs track but only as a walk on. Her mother kicked her out of the house when she was 18 and she is 21 now. She is hurting for money. Needs to pay $2k for sorority dues. I am debating if she would be characterized as a Nando type 1. I don't think so. She does not do drugs, she does not smoke or drink. She is a stripper, so I guess she would classify as a semi pro? And is financially strapped.

So anyway I told her yesterday that look. I like her and she is truly a beautiful girl. So exotic looking you cannot imagine. Huge almond shaped eyes, lips as full and succulent as a peach. But oh I digress. Any way I said. We can get together on Thursday, and I will take care of you and pay you the $$$, but you got to shut up about the money. And she happily agreed. And seemed kind of contrite since I had corrected her just a little. You have to understand she has never said a foul word to me or me to her, or even any attitude. In fact with this entire group of girls I have been working on. Not one hard word or action has come from this. And I pride myself on this. Because these type girls can be very volatile at times. I think picking the right ones and using lots of humor and never treating them like a working girl or a ****. And I think the fact that I truly like them all helps a lot.

Anyway she came over and instead of asking about money 37 times she told me she would behave so she only brought up money about 17 times! And once again at one point I told her to put my cock in your mouth just to shut her up. And of course she did. She is without a doubt the best dick sucker I have ever encountered. Truly amazing this act alone is worth the price of admission. Deep throat sucked on my balls until I thought they were going to come out. I am a truly lucky man.

We fucked for about two hours with breaks in between and I threw her around this hotel suite like a rag doll, and she loved it. I believe she came twice. At least that is what she screamed. I got two pops out of it before I cramped up my back. I was feeling pretty cocky and young up until then. What with her repeatedly telling me how handsome I am and all the girls in the club were jealous and all. Now I don't really believe this, I just chalk it up to good customer service.

I must be on multicultural kick lately. Because Jake the one eyed snake is loving all these different kinds of pussy. I am going to have to write my own book. 50 shades of brown. With all the different types I am working on.

As a good AA friend of mine once told me. You got to bust them down and fuck them rugged! And you know come to think of it. I don't think I have ever fucked any woman that did not like to get really pounded hard.

On the SA front. Not so good. I am not sure what I am doing wrong. I put a picture in the private area. Made more adjustments to my profile and offer letter. I have sent letters to 34 girls over the last week. And will send more tomorrow. Only have one quality response a couple of good winks who never responded again. And about 7 undesirables. And about 99 looks at my profile.

I think I need help getting traction with this part of the process. If anyone has any suggestions please help?

Also where is everyone. There most be more stories out there. I love to read these things.

Gentlemen,

Things have been puposefully slow in my Bowl since my return from New Orleans and Asheville, as I wanted to concentrate on the holidays, and now getting work projects going again in the new year. I did have time for a romp with Naughty Brit, and reacquaint myself with just how erotic all that dirty talk can be when said with a posh British accent! At this point, since the departure of my ATF, she and I have the most natural, normal relationship I have had with a baby. We text, talk or email once a week or so, often nothing more than "thought of you last night as I was falling asleep." She also has started to send me funny pictures from the web that relate to things we have talked about at lunch, or in bed. While I love a good one-off as much as the next, I have to admit that the level of connection, and attendant comfort and pleasure, that comes with an on-going relationship with an intelligent, beautiful, sexy 20 something is the goal of the Bowl, at least in my opinion. I would defend anyone's right to think otherwise, but I would also deal harshly with anyone who chose to call my Brit a working girl. I'm sure she has other arrangements, but I am also sure of the connection that exists which goes beyond sex and money. 'Nuff said. You either get it or you don't, and I for one do not judge, unless I find myself judged.

I also have had a moment to meet the baby whose SO came home early on our first visit, necessitating a hasty, half-dressed exit of yours truly while said SO was peeing. I nicknamed her Bond Baby, if you recall, and recently met her, this time in a nice boutique hotel downtown, for a few hours of spirited playtime. She is still just as sexy as before, and in fact, after a few minutes of wonderful making out, suggested that she draw us a bubble bath, an idea I instantly agreed with. More groping and kissing went on as the tub filled, and we got in facing each other and she then sat on my lap. God, the girl has a gorgeous body. Thin, toned, completely unblemished. I think the guys her age just don't realize how lucky they have it. Well, I guess we SDs now are the lucky ones, but anyway. It was quite erotic, with one exception. The whole time we were in the tub, she kept trying to sneak Scottie inside her, and he wasn't dressed yet for the occasion. As I have stated many times before, I always play safe, so I really wanted none of it, but after the sixth or seventh time of her sitting down directly on top of him, it did start to seem like not such a bad idea after all. Fortunately, the big brain had an ounce of strength left in it, and I moved onto the rim of the tub for a glorious BJ, no teeth or hands, and reciprocated with my Super Secret Oral Speed Orgasm Treatment for her, by which time the water was cold and we moved to the bed.

As Rev, I believe, has observed, these babies have no sense of shyness or modestly about their bodies whatsoever, and really, why should they? They are hot and they know it, and they know we know it, and I think it is a turn-on for both parties. These are not normal girls, nor are they pros (if you screen well enough) , but rather some kind of uber-girl who likes sex and is not getting what she needs from guys her own age. This is a recurring theme in a lot of the profile texts I read, and it may be a little bit of marketing on their part, but I think there is a grain of truth to it. Any of the babies I have spent time with could easily have all the sex they want, and probably get guys their own age to buy them shit, but instead they are on SA looking for an older guy. It is more complex, I believe, than we in our collective wisdom have yet to detail. Mandy, weigh in on this, please. I believe all your daddies have been older, though some not much. What is the dynamic at work there?

Back to Bond Baby for just a moment, I have been thinking for a few weeks about her having no second thoughts about going bareback with a guy she had met a total of three times. And she is not the only one I have encountered like that. Polo was ready to ride without a saddle the first time we got together, as were a few others I may not have posted about. Has anyone else encountered such a phenomenon? Do they not know what kind of world we live in these days? Back when I was in college, it was Standard Operation Procedure, but that was way before all this scary shit that's going around now. I'd be interested to hear what others have encountered, and how you handled it.

I'm still infatuated with my NOLA baby, and we are still in very frequent, though no longer daily, contact. I am trying to figure out a way to either get myself down there again, or her up here, without arousing the suspicions of my parole officer. It is not easy, but I just have to see her again. As I said before, some days she's all I can think about.

Onward, my brothers,

Scott

Awesome!

Any repeats?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1652725]HG's methods work. I got more $ SB's than I have time for. And I stumbled upon a 24/26 year old bisexual couple. They are both smoking hot solid 8's. Lipstick lesbians. Revealing outfits and four and five inch heels respectively. They decided they needed some money and some real dick. We had some conversation over wine. I told them, I felt more of a connection with the 26 year old, but I'd really like to have them both. They were like "let's go upstairs". Best threesome I've ever had in my life! And I've had a lot of threesomes. It's amazing the difference when the women are truly bisexual and into each other. It was a full on three hole affair with nothing off limits. Real kissing, pussy licking and orgasms all the way around. In fact, I made a real connection with the 26 year old. We took her partner home after round one and she came back to continue play time and spend the night. She is coming back over tonight sans partner. Chemistry is everything gentlemen. Don't ever discount it.

Now this was a pair of true sugar babies. They told me what their needs were before playtime. But said "we will not ask for money or tell you an amount because that would make us prostitutes. A Sugar Daddy gives what he wants to give." They get it. And even better I do too.

Chief of the Boat."Prepare to Dive."

SubCmdr Out!

P. S. I actual thought about not even reporting it. Forgiveness is requested if this is considered bragging.[/QUOTE]

I know it is not PC, but I will always bareback unless forced to by a responsible SB. Now I must admit that I no longer see Nando 1s or Pros (that I know of) , but I know that even a classy looking girl can carry STDs. I no longer am able to enjoy normal function with latex in the way. I have some knowledge of ovulation timing for what that's worth, so the pull out method is employed from time to time.

Scotty, I admire your responsible behavior.