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[QUOTE=Subak77;6713157]All that to say, even though everyone loves to say "it's as easy as supply and demand" (because it's a good sound bite), it's actually always a little more complex.[/QUOTE]Again nope I'm not fcking theorizing, its not complicated, its pretty simple. You're either HYA or you're not, and if you're true HYA, you will stay busy enough over a long period of time in LA without needing to move cities IN SPITE of seasonality and all the other factors I've mentioned before (wives, gfs, recessions, LE busts, covid, stds), because BROS can't GET ENOUGH OF HYA. The house and agency have overhead. You think theyre going to let a slow girl take up a room in mid wilshire, where typically popular girls work or where they can test new girls?

"Whenever Lady moon comes back through town" Hmmm I wonder why girls like Moon and Baby Joo need to consistently circulate to other cities like OC and Vegas, then back to LA. If only they were busy enough to STAY in LA, as other top tier girls hmm. The fact that you think Chloe Kim, who has a flat, fat pancake face, is cute, DQs you having any credible judgement on attractiveness. And I think its funny that you've been backtracking on Haven, only saying she's cute now. Only if there was an acronym for Cute Young Asian. Facts are facts. The LA market has spoken on Haven. We unleashed our loads during her first tour but most of us didn't go for more during her second tour. She's just another ho, don't get in your feelings. Maybe she'll come back when she's slow in OC.

Hot and young is a combination of attributes that represents the top tier sub-category of physical attractiveness. It's meant to be a small club.

You saying OC and LA are the same is the most clown thing you've said. Let me guess, you're both a dogers and angels fan lmao. I forget who said this before but someone made a good analogy. OC is JV and LA is the pros.

Bro your example of the j-girl influx exactly proves my point. If they were top tier girls in their homebase, do you think they would have to resort to trying tricks in LA?? Sure economy is bad in Japan, but did the porn or escort industry completely shut down? BTW I'm talking about LA market within the US landscape. Did I ever say the hottest working girls in the entire world are in LA?? And let's see what has happened with all the j girls that have come to LA. 95% vanished after short attempt and even the higher reviewed ones like Baby coco or Baby momo have gone to other cities.

I guess Haven is whoring out of the goodness of her heart and she's here as part of a christian missionary. Bro I brought up NG simply as an example to show there are levels to this and she's a girl that has been consistently highly reviewed by many people to be HYA, and stayed busy enough to STAY IN LA. And why do the non-physical traits of NG discount her being HYA, but for Haven, her so-called HYA label is inclusive of her personality? Ever thought her acting cute is a way to make you come back and hustle your ass?

Yeah, unfortunately for the girls, the vast majority of this is just work. They generally don't get to pick whom they see. Just like our jobs, we have our good clients / experiences, and we have the clients / experiences that we hate and detest. And most of the time, we have to just deal with it.

There have been countless times a girls has told me a story about a monger they saw who stank, had a bad attitude, or wasn't clean, etc. And a few times, based on what the monger wrote here, I'll know it was that guy. And of course, he writes about it like it was an amazing time (which I'm sure it was, for him). Most of these girls do a fantastic job of making us believe that they really like being with us. That doesn't mean they can't enjoy it every once in a while, with the right people. But most of the time, it is still just a job to them.

Once girls start giving you freebies / discounts, or want to hang out with you for free outside, you know that they actually like you. Maybe not enough to date you, but at least enough to want to spend time with you to have some fun outside of work.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;6718013]Will leave the girl's name out of it, but just a general rant real quick. Apologies in advance if this describes any of you but I need to vent a sec.

Saw a girl but I'm quite sure that I ran into the monger before me and. This dude was fuckin GROSS looking.

Holy shit. Imagine Danny Devito but add 150 lb. (Not sure of ethnicity).

I walked into her room and damn it smelled like a Jamaican curry joint.

None of this girls reviews ever stated there was smells or anything. So I can only surmise it was from another monger.

The smell & just the mere thought I was going after that "THING" I saw. Will give me nightmares tonight.

Pretty sure it affected her mood as well. And who can blame a girl? She just fucked a monster..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AsianAssEater;6720158]Yep, some of the dudes that visit Kgirl are gross. I have a story similar to this as well. I had just finished destroying Kelly while she was Cindy's roommate and we were heading out but Cindy had just finished and me and Kelly were peeking thru the door while the guy was leaving and I kid you not this guy was like over 300 pounds and had sweat stains on his shirt idk how because he had prob just showered Cindy finally got him to leave all smiles until she shut the door her face did a total 180 it was a face of total disgust I felt bad for her. Me and Kelly walked out and Cindy was still there saw me and Kelly glued together basically and told me in her broken English that why I hadn't seen her before that she prefers to see young handsome men I just smirked and said maybe next time. Kelly said something In Korean and Cindy pulled me over pulled my pants down and was shocked at my size while I was soft she asked me how much bigger it got when hard I told her to stoke me a bit to find out so here I am in the living room with Cindy stroking my dick and Kelly fondling my balls. Until I was full mast Cindy let out a little yelp and Kelly started laughing and Cindy said to not see her because she would not be able to handle me. Then looked at Kelly and asked her how she could take me and Kelly just laughed and said that she loves big dick and started walking me to door. I told her to chill a bit because I was still hard until I started going soft and I headed out. I walk out and I kid you not the guy that just had Cindy still hadn't made it down the hall so I decided to take the stairs instead to avoid them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phazze93;6718013]Will leave the girl's name out of it, but just a general rant real quick. Apologies in advance if this describes any of you but I need to vent a sec.

Saw a girl but I'm quite sure that I ran into the monger before me and. This dude was fuckin GROSS looking.

Holy shit. Imagine Danny Devito but add 150 lb. (Not sure of ethnicity).

I walked into her room and damn it smelled like a Jamaican curry joint.

None of this girls reviews ever stated there was smells or anything. So I can only surmise it was from another monger.

The smell & just the mere thought I was going after that "THING" I saw. Will give me nightmares tonight.

Pretty sure it affected her mood as well. And who can blame a girl? She just fucked a monster.

I hate to say it. But for younger / top talent, either the girl or agency should start placing stricter restrictions on clients.

Age, weight, race..[/QUOTE]It may be gross to think about getting sloppy seconds right after a physically repulsive monger, but if you think about it, they likely are having much less sex than the average male, so in terms of STD vectors for our pool of K girls they must be a statistically lower risk.

The K-girls are probably like those gang bang girls who do 300-500 guys and don't much care for the dude's physique.

[QUOTE=TempletonRat;6721683]It may be gross to think about getting sloppy seconds right after a physically repulsive monger, but if you think about it, they likely are having much less sex than the average male, so in terms of STD vectors for our pool of K girls they must be a statistically lower risk.

The K-girls are probably like those gang bang girls who do 300-500 guys and don't much care for the dude's physique.[/QUOTE]You should see the dudes that walkout of Kgirls appts on the westside!

5'0-5'3, super duper coke bottle glasses, tummy hanging down below shirt (probably hasn't seen his of penis in many years when he looks down), pushing 300 lbs for being 5'3 under and even some.

Dudes 5'5-5'7. Man tiities size of c cups, greasy ass hair, when he walks he breathing like he just ran a marathon, looks dept 5, etc.

[QUOTE=Nessant;6726296]They have so much experience, whether it be negative or positive is their perception of things but it leans more towards negative, that it has to mold the way they think, talk, act, move about, etc. You can't live a lifestyle for a certain amount of time and it not become apart of you to some extent, at least imo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SolarisMan;6726288]It is proven fact that the behavior change is extremely challenging and requires consistent effort and intentional modification of habits. Cognitive dissonance, the power of habit, homeostasis, and the desire for immediate gratification can make behavior change difficult. It requires taking small steps towards behavior change is crucial, and patience and persistence are essential in achieving self-improvement goals and when the hoe gets a huge sense of entitlement and does not believe that there is anything wrong with what she has done in past, good luck to any man who mingle with these hoes.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what everyone is saying, and I would just add that everything we say about "them" can actually perfectly describe "us" as mongers, including the two statements above. Our own participation in this stuff has molded our lifestyles and likely damaged us in ways that maybe not everyone among us is ready to recognize and really grapple with. This includes stuff like our entitlement to women's bodies (implicit in the transaction even if we're adamant that we would never), our objectification of women here (the reviews process almost requires it), and our own desires for immediate gratification. I'm complicit in this too, so I'm not even like absolving myself so much as trying to name a hard truth that no one here seems to be calling out directly. Everyone's philosophizing on how "hoes will be hoes," which I do agree with in general, but we seem to also be avoiding the harder work of critiquing ourselves and our roles as mongers in all of this. It's kind of hard to do the work of thinking about the shit we're responsible for in this whole cycle, too.

Notably, too, we generate the demand that keeps girls here or keeps them coming back for more money. We know this deeply: without us, these girls would not be here (or there or wherever there are men. Some of us enable by buying gifts (small or large) for girls, showering them with attention, and even simping for them (I'm not condemning or endorsing these actions here, by the way). So I think that we (at least in part) help produce the conditions that produce "hoes. " Not that it doesn't mean we can't all get together in an online circlejerk and lament how all they want is money, but we should also maybe think about how we give them the money to enable it.

And finally, if all women are hoes, then what does that make the men who cheat on their girlfriends and wives? What does it make the men who pay for and measure sex and intimacy by the hour? It'd be remiss to say we're not implicated or kinda f*cked up in this process too. I'd make the argument that we're certainly are not the beneficiaries we think we are. Like I'm grateful to bang hot girls but I know almost inevitably this is messing up expectations of really settling down with someone in the future. That's the nature of this hobby and this work. Two sides of the same coin.

[QUOTE=Subak77;6726636]I agree with most of what everyone is saying, and I would just add that everything we say about "them" can actually perfectly describe "us" as mongers, including the two statements above. Our own participation in this stuff has molded our lifestyles and likely damaged us in ways that maybe not everyone among us is ready to recognize and really grapple with. This includes stuff like our entitlement to women's bodies (implicit in the transaction even if we're adamant that we would never), our objectification of women here (the reviews process almost requires it), and our own desires for immediate gratification. I'm complicit in this too, so I'm not even like absolving myself so much as trying to name a hard truth that no one here seems to be calling out directly. Everyone's philosophizing on how "hoes will be hoes," which I do agree with in general, but we seem to also be avoiding the harder work of critiquing ourselves and our roles as mongers in all of this. It's kind of hard to do the work of thinking about the shit we're responsible for in this whole cycle, too.

Notably, too, we generate the demand that keeps girls here or keeps them coming back for more money. We know this deeply: without us, these girls would not be here (or there or wherever there are men. Some of us enable by buying gifts (small or large) for girls, showering them with attention, and even simping for them (I'm not condemning or endorsing these actions here, by the way). So I think that we (at least in part) help produce the conditions that produce "hoes. " Not that it doesn't mean we can't all get together in an online circlejerk and lament how all they want is money, but we should also maybe think about how we give them the money to enable it.

And finally, if all women are hoes, then what does that make the men who cheat on their girlfriends and wives? What does it make the men who pay for and measure sex and intimacy by the hour? It'd be remiss to say we're not implicated or kinda f*cked up in this process too. I'd make the argument that we're certainly are not the beneficiaries we think we are. Like I'm grateful to bang hot girls but I know almost inevitably this is messing up expectations of really settling down with someone in the future. That's the nature of this hobby and this work. Two sides of the same coin.[/QUOTE]All that bullshit of the work we have to do goes out the fucking window when they put a price tag on their pussy. Please post this shit elsewhere. It's a transaction, I give them money they give me service. Yes it should be respectful, agreed, but fuck all that 4th wave shit.

Seriously, don't post that shit on a review thread again.

A2.

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[QUOTE=PriscillaM;6727596][URL]https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ant/eve/d/palmdale-crossdresser-bottom-for-hiv/7700896082.html[/URL][/QUOTE]What the hell are you trying to do to us here on Christmas Eve, Priscilla?!

[QUOTE=Phazze93;6731634]YMMV as always bruh.

Can you blame any of these girls for having an off day considering their line of work, volume of mongers & all types of mongers they got to put up with?

Especially the type of mongers as I mentioned before. Rude mongoloid deformities that threw even me off just by catching a glimpse of them.

Imagine having to do the deed with them. LOL.[/QUOTE]Here we go again, trying to elicit pity for girls by putting down fellow mongers. Why?

These girls made the choice to do what they do.

They girls may be close to Hollywood geographically, but George Clooney, Matt Damon and Ryan Gosling ain't walking through that door. And everyone including them knows it.

Why does anyone have to imagine to do the deed with mongers? Do we get paid? Many guys wouldn't mind getting paid 300/ hr for sex with a big woman who is ugly. Some guys pay for such sex so I'm pretty sure they wouldn't mind getting it AND the $$.

And as far as "off days" go, most instances it's not really one off day, it's multiple if you collect all the data points. Also, if I go fix my car at a car shop and then a wheel falls off while I'm driving, how much will I care that the mechanic had an off day? Not much. I'm going to rip him a new one on yelp. We all do our jobs. If we can't do our jobs, we take actual days off where we don't do our jobs. Seems simple and straightforward concept.

Why is there a need to rag on fellow mongers' appearance to defend a drop in service? Why is there no accountability but rather deflection of blame to something irrelevant?

[QUOTE=RocketManP;6732277]Here we go again, trying to elicit pity for girls by putting down fellow mongers. Why?

These girls made the choice to do what they do.

They girls may be close to Hollywood geographically, but George Clooney, Matt Damon and Ryan Gosling ain't walking through that door. And everyone including them knows it.

Why does anyone have to imagine to do the deed with mongers? Do we get paid? Many guys wouldn't mind getting paid 300/ hr for sex with a big woman who is ugly. Some guys pay for such sex so I'm pretty sure they wouldn't mind getting it AND the $$.

And as far as "off days" go, most instances it's not really one off day, it's multiple if you collect all the data points. Also, if I go fix my car at a car shop and then a wheel falls off while I'm driving, how much will I care that the mechanic had an off day? Not much. I'm going to rip him a new one on yelp. We all do our jobs. If we can't do our jobs, we take actual days off where we don't do our jobs. Seems simple and straightforward concept.

Why is there a need to rag on fellow mongers' appearance to defend a drop in service? Why is there no accountability but rather deflection of blame to something irrelevant?[/QUOTE]Dog, you couldn't get me to fk a big ugly gal for a million $.

I'd need retirement money to do that LOL.

So to each their own.

Accountability runs both ways. Common courtesy amongst mongers. Like NOT going raw with a chick if you even THINK you have an STD.

Even if its Ryan Gosling. Just take a damn shower. Use soap, not pizza grease. And put on some clean clothes.

I don't think this is asking for much.

I did not say all mongers are mongoloid monstrosities.

Its not 100% pity for the girls, its for ME as well. I PERSONALLY don't want to see Shrek 2. 0 coming out before me.

Your analogy of wheels falling off is not comparable. 1st step is to just go back to the shop and ask them to fix it & there are methods of recourse in this case.

Whereas mongering offers nearly none.

What I'm describing is like buying a used prius and getting mad at the prius that it aint running properly because the previous owner ran it up 100 k miles off-roading the thing.

[QUOTE=PounderMC;6707859]Met her at the ***** club, went to her pad at Wilshire, waited 15 minutes for her to get ready. So only had 40 minutes of time. Parking sucks at that location. She is just not into it.

Looks=7. 8.

Service=5.

Spent upcharge=1 full upcharge.

Not worth it spending bottles for her. No repeat, I had better with the full upcharge bottles I spent. YMMV.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PounderMC;6734870]To me it would be worth it just to hard XXX her small box and maybe wreck it, LOL.[/QUOTE]Uhhh people always ask what's wrong with LA mongers. Ain't exactly salt of the earth type mfs out here.

[QUOTE=Subak77;6735313]Uhhh people always ask what's wrong with LA mongers. Ain't exactly salt of the earth type mfs out here.[/QUOTE]It is part of the game, don't hate the player. So chill out.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;6733390]Dog, you couldn't get me to fk a big ugly gal for a million $.

I'd need retirement money to do that LOL.

So to each their own.

Accountability runs both ways. Common courtesy amongst mongers. Like NOT going raw with a chick if you even THINK you have an STD.

Even if its Ryan Gosling. Just take a damn shower. Use soap, not pizza grease. And put on some clean clothes.

I don't think this is asking for much.

I did not say all mongers are mongoloid monstrosities.

Its not 100% pity for the girls, its for ME as well. I PERSONALLY don't want to see Shrek 2. 0 coming out before me.

Your analogy of wheels falling off is not comparable. 1st step is to just go back to the shop and ask them to fix it & there are methods of recourse in this case.

Whereas mongering offers nearly none.

What I'm describing is like buying a used prius and getting mad at the prius that it aint running properly because the previous owner ran it up 100 k miles off-roading the thing.[/QUOTE]What does going raw with std have to do with the rest of your post?

You tried eliciting sympathy for the girl when she was criticized, by deflecting blame onto mongers and attacking their looks.

Now you're moving goalposts to stds.

Girls CAN and should be criticized, they're selling a product / service that is evaluated and open for criticism. Think of a performance review oor a critic's review.

But for some people, the girls can do no wrong, they don't fart etc. And the moment they get criticized, a deus ex machina is brought up and blame is deflected.

Um no, if a wheel falls off while I'm driving, there is no taking it back to the shop. I'm ripping the shop a new one on yelp, I'm suing them, and I'm publicly recommending everyone else I know or don't know, to stay the fuck away. And when the shop closes I'm popping bottles. Its your responsibility to do the job properly if you consider yourself able to do the job.

If a doctor fucks up my surgery, I'm doing the exact same thing. I'm not going back and say oh no the poor thing had little sleep let me try to get him to operate on me again, maybe next time it will get better. He's getting his shit pushed back publicly and I won't mnce words. If my Uber driver gets into an accident that hurts me, I'm not giving them five stars and saying oh no he just had an off day.

You fucked up, take accountability for it.

You didn't say all mongers are monstrosities, right. I didn't say you did. But you claimed some are in order to deflect blame.

I am pro-monger and just like many people have sympathy for girls, I have sympathy for mongers. Blaming them for their looks and then trying to absolve blame from the seller, is low and extremely unfair to fellow buyers / mongers. I wish people would stop doing this and accept that sellers have accountability too. But I guess many think just because providers sling pussy they must be worshipped or something and all their faults deflected to someone else.

Subak77 thinks I am too rough with his future wife ESME. LOL A 2024 greetings.

[QUOTE=PounderMC;6735749]Subak77 thinks I am too rough with his future wife ESME. LOL A 2024 greetings.[/QUOTE]? I'll keep this short before we all get sent to the LA bullshit thread. It's more about you than you seem to acknowledge bruh. Who hurt you? You articulated your intention to hurt a girl (Esme) and make a joke of it. Makes one wonder why another girl (Freesia) would have kicked you out early or given you a bad session. Yes girls are engaging in a transaction but customers are not entitled to them.