"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I normally don't ask so bluntly. I just lean in and go for it. For the most part these girls aren't professionals and they'll be more than willing to make out a bit and if they're into it one thing will lead to another. My signature move is a tug at their neckline and ask if I can peek or a hand on the breast and ask if it's ok to feel. I assume if they've entered the FC they planned to go for it so a gentle push in the right direction isn't out of order.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2533684]I've been texting this 21 yr AA coed spinner for the past week, that had agree to 600-800 per month allowance, and finally set up a MG at the FC today. Usually, these meetings end up with plenty of action. She's 5'5 slim, with a nice booty. I think HWG would approve. LOL.

So, I went there, got the room and waited for her to show up. She was about 15-20 late. She texted me when she finally show up and I cam out to her car to greet her and we walk back to the room together. I had a huge grin on my face when I saw her. She had on a tight, low cut black dress and from what I can tell no bras nor panties. I was thinking, damn I am going to be working extra hard today. She was actually prettier than the pics she sent me.

We spent about half an hour in the FC room talking, and having some good laughs. So, the dumb me asked her: "So, are you ready to have some fun? And I think that sort of caught her by surprise, and she pause for a while and slowly says something along the line of "I think we should wait until the next meeting".

Now, this is partly my fault because I did leave her the option of just meeting and talk and getting to know each other, however what I failed to clearly state (which I almost always do) is that sugar won't come until we have intimacy. So, we chatted for a few more minutes and she asked if she will be getting her allowance of 100 today and I had to explain to her that she won't be getting her allowance until we fuck (in a nice way). And this part of the conversation was not pleasant at all and I could see the dissatisfaction in her. I ended up giving her 40 for gas, and parted ways.

Now, 99% of my MG at the FC ends up with POF and after some chit chat and when I am ready for action, I just tell them to stand up, show me what they got (and that's usually the cue for them to get undress). And then the fun would start. But this time, the stupid me had to ask the question if she's ready to play.

A few hours later I text her to say that it was a pleasure to meet her, and I apologize I didn't make it clear and that I own her an apology. She replied back that yea, I owes her an apology and that it was also nice to meet me. So, I guess that's a positive.

So, did I have a brain fart moment? A girl shows up at the FC in a dress with no bras and panties is definitely begging to be fuck right?

Trying to set up that next meeting, so we'll see. BTW, she had not been back on the site for about 5 days now, so at least she's not actively looking or too busy talking to other SDs.[/QUOTE]

Ok, I've been active on SD4 M and WYP for a while, decided to pay the dues on SA, MUCH BETTER results. More babies than time. A ton of GPS and pro's, but doing some weeding. Several m&g's, one to FC (her place) on 2nd date, several lined up this week. Busy busy. Anyway, chatting with this 30 something, yeh, a little over my target range but cute so I continue. We are back and forth on the site, I get her number. So I text her, and find out I already have it in my burner phone. Under a different name of a 19 yo I "met" earlier. I text the 30 something that I'm a bit confused. She responds "about what", and rattles off the other girls name. Other girl is daughter. Thats a first for me, and we all remember the scene from Animal House with god on one shoulder, devel on the other, well, I haven't talked to either since. Messed up, I just want a goog friend out of this!

This evening I noticed that POT#1 has deleted her profile on SA. As has been pointed out earlier, nothing says "I love you Daddy" more than seeing them do that.

Really been sidelined the last couple of months because of no alone time. What's been bad is there were some very good POTs in my area that I couldn't seal the deal with do to time constraints. So I whiffed on some seemingly quality ones. I was also a little bummed that my 19 year old UTR girl had gone off the grid. I have a week or so of freedom, I wanted to experience quite a bit, but it was looking grim.

So what to do, fresh prospects bailing because they don't think I am serious, so I mined the old field. Been in contact with a 19 year old who I met let summer for a one and done and we tentatively have plans for a day. Rekindled talks with 31 year old MILF, also set up tentative meeting. Been talking to an 18 with some extra weight, but I have a hard time turning down any 18 year old and she is on board. And lo and behold, my 19 year old utr resurfaces and will be here in about 30 minutes.

Now, something interesting about the 19 year old utr. She is not on OCs. So I wrap it up every time. This will be the 8th time I have been with her, and she is requesting that I go hatless, insisting it will be ok, that she has timed it right. I don't trust this at all and wonder if she wants to get pregnant. Anybody else experience such a request?

[QUOTE=DandyDon;2534047]Really been sidelined the last couple of months because of no alone time. What's been bad is there were some very good POTs in my area that I couldn't seal the deal with do to time constraints. So I whiffed on some seemingly quality ones. I was also a little bummed that my 19 year old UTR girl had gone off the grid. I have a week or so of freedom, I wanted to experience quite a bit, but it was looking grim.

So what to do, fresh prospects bailing because they don't think I am serious, so I mined the old field. Been in contact with a 19 year old who I met let summer for a one and done and we tentatively have plans for a day. Rekindled talks with 31 year old MILF, also set up tentative meeting. Been talking to an 18 with some extra weight, but I have a hard time turning down any 18 year old and she is on board. And lo and behold, my 19 year old utr resurfaces and will be here in about 30 minutes.

Now, something interesting about the 19 year old utr. She is not on OCs. So I wrap it up every time. This will be the 8th time I have been with her, and she is requesting that I go hatless, insisting it will be ok, that she has timed it right. I don't trust this at all and wonder if she wants to get pregnant. Anybody else experience such a request?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't trust a 19 year old to tell me anything about timing her fertility cycle. Be wary of going in raw and having her grab you and pull you in so you can't pull out either.

So after ditching my first attempts in the bowl (3 of which were sucessful FC visits, 2 didn't pan out), have 4 pots lined up right now I'm working on:

#1 35 year old MILF. We negotiated a rate of 275/ visit up front, she clearly knew what she was doing and was easy to talk to. Little higher than I like, but she has a gas guzzling SUV and I'm pretty sure on our first visit I'm going to be smashing her ass from behind in the backseat area of said SUV so I'm ok with it. 7/7 in the looks department from pictures, I have the feeling in person might be better. Long distance trip for this one so I plan to only see her once a month, maybe twice tops. Hope the payout is worth it, if it isn't I might cut her loose due to the cost and the distance.

#2 29 year old - 8/6, she put on some weight that she's trying to burn off and I can respect that. Has natural red hair, a big+ for me. We traded dirty pictures back and forth, she wants to get to know me better before FC so we've already gone on one date. Had some real chemistry and I hope this one works out. Have not discussed funds yet, I'm getting the vibe that she just wants a fuckbuddy and I am ok with that.

#3 19 year old. Very large breasted young girl that is very submissive. We were texting back and forth to talk about what we're looking for and she left an opening for me to ask about pictures, she pretended she didn't like doing them then sent me some rather exquisite photos of her uncovered DD chest while biting her lip. I proceeded to tell her to take a few more for me in various poses and she responded 'yes sir'. We have a meetup scheduled for Thursday, she was very open about wanting some daddy dick so I will hopefully be drained shortly after dinner. Funds haven't been discussed yet, plan to do so at the meetup. I haven't had luck discussing funds up front with most of the young girls, the older ones are usually easy to talk to about it.

#4 19 year old. Very inexperienced girl looking for daddy to teach her about life and sex, said she has only been with one boy in high school. Sent me some pictures (are you seeing a trend here?) after I asked for them and she has the sweetest looking pussy I've seen in a while. Very receptive to comments and suggestion, going to try to visit her this week somehow and see if I can get a sample. Isn't asking for much, cares more about guidance and mentoring than money. Has the potential to be The Dream, the young one you can mold to be what you want.

Definitely in the feast part of 'feast or famine', I've been actively turning away contacts at this point. 2 of the 4 pots I have right now contacted me, not vice versa, which I found amazing.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2533684] A girl shows up at the FC in a dress with no bras and panties is definitely begging to be fuck right?.[/QUOTE]Never assume, because we all know what that pseudo acronym means.

[QUOTE=DandyDon;2534047]Really been sidelined the last couple of months because of no alone time. What's been bad is there were some very good POTs in my area that I couldn't seal the deal with do to time constraints. So I whiffed on some seemingly quality ones. I was also a little bummed that my 19 year old UTR girl had gone off the grid. I have a week or so of freedom, I wanted to experience quite a bit, but it was looking grim.

So what to do, fresh prospects bailing because they don't think I am serious, so I mined the old field. Been in contact with a 19 year old who I met let summer for a one and done and we tentatively have plans for a day. Rekindled talks with 31 year old MILF, also set up tentative meeting. Been talking to an 18 with some extra weight, but I have a hard time turning down any 18 year old and she is on board. And lo and behold, my 19 year old utr resurfaces and will be here in about 30 minutes.

Now, something interesting about the 19 year old utr. She is not on OCs. So I wrap it up every time. This will be the 8th time I have been with her, and she is requesting that I go hatless, insisting it will be ok, that she has timed it right. I don't trust this at all and wonder if she wants to get pregnant. Anybody else experience such a request?[/QUOTE]Yes I have experienced that, but in my case having a Vsec takes all the worries away. I would be careful if I were you. A baby's perception of having a rich guy pay her child support for 18 years is an enticing thought.

[QUOTE=DandyDon;2534047]Really been sidelined the last couple of months because of no alone time. What's been bad is there were some very good POTs in my area that I couldn't seal the deal with do to time constraints. So I whiffed on some seemingly quality ones. I was also a little bummed that my 19 year old UTR girl had gone off the grid. I have a week or so of freedom, I wanted to experience quite a bit, but it was looking grim.

So what to do, fresh prospects bailing because they don't think I am serious, so I mined the old field. Been in contact with a 19 year old who I met let summer for a one and done and we tentatively have plans for a day. Rekindled talks with 31 year old MILF, also set up tentative meeting. Been talking to an 18 with some extra weight, but I have a hard time turning down any 18 year old and she is on board. And lo and behold, my 19 year old utr resurfaces and will be here in about 30 minutes.

Now, something interesting about the 19 year old utr. She is not on OCs. So I wrap it up every time. This will be the 8th time I have been with her, and she is requesting that I go hatless, insisting it will be ok, that she has timed it right. I don't trust this at all and wonder if she wants to get pregnant. Anybody else experience such a request?[/QUOTE]DANGER WILL RODGERS!

All kidding aside, that can ruin your life for a very, very long time. It may be tempting, but unless you have been clipped it's risky. Think with the big head my friend. Remember, these girls have no problem lying about such things.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2534430]DANGER WILL RODGERS!

All kidding aside, that can ruin your life for a very, very long time. It may be tempting, but unless you have been clipped it's risky. Think with the big head my friend. Remember, these girls have no problem lying about such things.[/QUOTE]It may well be she is telling the truth. That she IS timing it right. To get pregnant.

Given that the pregnancy rate for people using condoms as their sole method of contraception is about 15% per year for a couple (compared to 85% for no contraception), even using a hat is risky IMHO.

It's one of the reasons I prefer married SBs. Someone who has a partner has someone who will double check that their wife has taken the pill. And if there is a mistake, much less likely to be my problem.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2533684]I've been texting this 21 yr AA coed spinner for the past week, that had agree to 600-800 per month allowance, and finally set up a MG at the FC today. Usually, these meetings end up with plenty of action. She's 5'5 slim, with a nice booty.

So, did I have a brain fart moment? A girl shows up at the FC in a dress with no bras and panties is definitely begging to be fuck right?

.[/QUOTE]You are just doing what we do. I think we get action so often that we ass-ume that every chick who shows up at the FC is down with the one eyed snake trick. It never hurts to be specific in the prelim discussions. Hope you found a backup to cover the FC.

@DandyDon
she is requesting that I go hatless, insisting it will be ok, that she has timed it right.
Go for it if you are incognito. If she is coming to your home and knows where to find you then be careful.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2533684]I've been texting this 21 yr AA coed spinner[/QUOTE]Thanks for the responses fellow. I guess not all is lost, we have exchanged a few texts since yesterday and I have decided to up the offer to 150 per date and she happily accepted. Now, some of you guys may scream, but I think this baby is worth it. She really does have a banging petite body and a cute face to go with it. And also, 100 per date is really tough to sell in my market.

I am trying to set up the second date in the FC again, with clear expect that panties will hit the floor this time. But with her working two summer part time jobs, getting our schedules align is a bit tough. More to come on this.

Anyway, I am meeting my MILF SB again this Friday and I will be going in the back door. First time for me, LOL. I will create a new post to ask for tips on this.

So, my MILF SB allow me entry in the back door on our next meeting. I hate to admit it, but I'be never done back door. But hey, I got to try it at least once.

I will be diving in raw, no cover.

So, what tips can you fine gents offer? I see we do have some very experienced back door'ers in here.

- How you you prepare for this?

- How do you properly clean up after?

- Which lube to use? Water based or silicone based? How to apply it? What's the best brand to buy?

Anything else you can throw at me to help guide a newbie to that back door, please do. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2534520]Thanks for the responses fellow. I guess not all is lost, we have exchanged a few texts since yesterday and I have decided to up the offer to 150 per date and she happily accepted. Now, some of you guys may scream, but I think this baby is worth it. She really does have a banging petite body and a cute face to go with it. And also, 100 per date is really tough to sell in my market.

I am trying to set up the second date in the FC again, with clear expect that panties will hit the floor this time. But with her working two summer part time jobs, getting our schedules align is a bit tough. More to come on this.

Anyway, I am meeting my MILF SB again this Friday and I will be going in the back door. First time for me, LOL. I will create a new post to ask for tips on this.[/QUOTE]I'm in the same market and $100 is a tough sell but doable. I'm pretty much refusing to go over $150 these days.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2534430]DANGER WILL RODGERS!

All kidding aside, that can ruin your life for a very, very long time. It may be tempting, but unless you have been clipped it's risky. Think with the big head my friend. Remember, these girls have no problem lying about such things.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with this. There has been an emerging trend over the last decade or so of "sperm seekers" whose single focus and goal in the game is to have a child. I learned more about this in civy dating than the bowl could ever teach me.

Their motives vary, some are young and just have a strong maternal urge and they see "having a baby" as the best way to deal with lack of career options or whatever. Sometimes, they hit their late 20's-early 30's and feel the clock ticking and decide that having a kid is the thing that matters most to them. Some of them are lesbians that just aren't going to get the seed from their actual partner.

They then start coming up with a plan to have a kid using whatever methods are available to them. Because the days of the old "Leave it to Beaver" type family are gone, there are MANY methods available to them, and one of the more attractive options is to simply find a man who has the means to support the kid and take some of the career stress for the mom off for the next 18 years or so, who is also willing to be a donor of free sperm.

18 years of financial support just for spreading your legs for a few minutes is a really good deal for anyone, even if you're a lesbian that doesn't particularly care for cock, it's well worth it to them.

I once had a fuck buddy friend -- a real stunner actually, who said she was thinking about just being a single mom and raising a kid on her own (she actually had a good job and the means to do it). She said she wasn't sure if she wanted a man in her life permanently, just the kid and the career. She then started discussing the possibility of paying me to get her pregnant (no, I'm not kidding -- legal paperwork and all). And no, I did not take her up on it.

Just be careful. How careful you need to be depends on your own situation. To one of these sperm-seekers, a sugar daddy is a prime target to achieve what they want, not only having to pay the donor but turning the tables so that the income is pointed the other way.

Just my two cents here. I am sure others have their tips and preferences for backdoor play.

If this isn't her firstime you should be fine. She will know to make sure her bowels are empty. If not, make sure they are by either an enema (cold coffee since the caffine will be a diaruetic). That is on the extreme end of course, so long as she has relieved herself you should be fine. Mainly you want to avoid her losing control of her bowels while you are inside if her. Depending of your size, some girls lose control because the pain and the fact that there is a hard penis spreading their starfish. If a lot of lube is used, that doesn't help with bowel control either. Basically, unless you don't mind poop on the bed and on your Johnson, make sure her bowels are empty. Of course some guys get off on that kind of stuff. I'm not one to judge.

Lube is whatever your preference is, since you've indicated you're going in uncovered. I personally don't have a prefernce one way or the other and have used spit and a girls juices as lube. Avoid at all costs those lubes that give extra sensation. If this is her first time, handling you inside of her might be hard enough. Apply the lube liberally to her starfish and use your fingers to work the lube inside her. Apply it liberally on your little head before entry.

I like to work slow and get the starfish ready. Starting out with the shocker is a nice way to begin to work her way up to handling something bigger. Then increase the fingers and finger sizes until the are the size of the girth of your little head.

I like to go slowly at first. Some girls I've met like to be on top so they can control the speed. Some girls prefer anal mish (put a few pillows under her to provide easier access), or the other alternative is to go with the porn scene, from behind action. I've found that to be my favorite.

I normally go in backdoor covered to avoid getting a uti (yes, men can get them) until she becomes used to the routine and makes sure she's empty back there. (once she gets used to it though its great since you can unload without any fear of pregnancy) . It also makes cleanup much easier. Put a few towels down on the bed beforehand to avoid having to wash your sheets. If she does have an accident you will want to save your mattress.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2534528]So, my MILF SB allow me entry in the back door on our next meeting. I hate to admit it, but I'be never done back door. But hey, I got to try it at least once.

I will be diving in raw, no cover.

So, what tips can you fine gents offer? I see we do have some very experienced back door'ers in here.

- How you you prepare for this?

- How do you properly clean up after?

- Which lube to use? Water based or silicone based? How to apply it? What's the best brand to buy?

Anything else you can throw at me to help guide a newbie to that back door, please do. Thanks.[/QUOTE]