Communication, rapport, etc.
[QUOTE=Krakatoa;3211210]The argument in favor of tipping in advance is that, in those situations where you don't know the provider, she also doesn't know you. She doesn't know for sure you are looking for HE, whether you are a cheapskate who is going to undertip, or, for that matter, whether you are LE. This leaves tension around the flip that is a distraction for both of you, diminishing your enjoyment of the first 75% of the massage.
As is often the case in life, there is a middle way. In these situations, I like to lay out what I am willing to spend but with my glasses or something else clearly belonging to me on top of it. That way we are communicating--without actually talking--and I maintain control of my money.[/QUOTE]I don't have a problem with what you're calling a middle way since, as you described, it's a form of signalling or communication rather than actually paying the tip in advance. I'm curious, however, about the specifics of how you display the $. Do you fan out or spread the bills in some way so the masseuse can clearly see whether the amount is $40/$60/$80/ etc? Just asking because that would seem to be necessary to avoid any misunderstanding. And then, if you take back some of the $ because the level of the service was less than hoped (ex. HJ only when you displayed 60/80), have you gotten any negative reactions?
It's also good to keep in mind that AMP girls see multiple clients a day and learn pretty quickly how to size up their different personalities and tendencies. From the moment you walk in the door they're taking note of your appearance, what you're wearing, your demeanor, your confidence (or lack thereof) and figuring out whether you're likely to be LE or a cheapskate or a good client. That assessment continues into the TS and is one reason that, IME, many masseuses relax quite a bit once you allow (or request) a washing of the family jewels. Then once you're on the massage table they're probing and asking (You been here before? Who did you see?) as they continue their assessment. So, again IME, there's ample opportunity to establish rapport at the beginning of the session without having to show any money. Of course, with more experience that becomes easier and it helps tremendously if you're confident, polite, decently dressed and don't look like LE.
It's also true that MMS and AMP girls talk about clients all the time. So when I'm visiting a new girl at an AMP where the MMS (or another girl) knows me, I usually hear some conversation in their native language before the girl comes into the room. While I don't know for sure, I've always guessed that the new girl is being told that I'm a good client and not a cheapskate. In one particular AMP where the MMS took a liking to me, she told me she would even tell new girls about my personal preferences.
So I can see how in scenario #1 (new AMP, unknown girl) it could be a strategy to show the cash while not actually handing it over. But I see less need for that tactic in scenario #2 situations and absolutely no need for scenario #3.
As always, YMMV, and I personally haven't seen the need but every hobbyist has to make that call and at least you're retaining control of the cash in case the service doesn't measure up.
TIPS: End. Before. Flash the cash. ?
Actually I think we are all on the same page and agree you have to play it by ear.
Yes the providers are smart about tipping, usually. Probably your experience builds expertise and confidence, and they smell that. Usually paying the upfront from a small wad of bills that is the max you are prepared to pay works as well as anything. I don't personally like money discussions during a session. Strangely, when I offer amount up front, and I put it under my glasses / watch works, and they never have just taken it and I present at end and say thank you, wonderful time (which can be a 2 way street).
Important thing is to have a fun time and levity really helps.
Someone mentioned leaving bills sticking out of his wallet. I would never bring in with you anything more than what you would be willing to pay, maybe even distributed in several pockets. Then you become a better negotiator against a sob story or a please, please. Having said that, quality of the time there is most important as I am not a wam bam type of guy and my biggest sex organ is between my ears. But everyone has different needs.
New guys, just relax and have fun. To be pretty blunt, very niely, up front, I think they appreciate and relaxes them. You set expectations. And they might set your expectations differently, right back! And also if not attractive to you, polightly ask if other provider is there or say you are leaving. (I have gotten a provider that smelled of smoke and that will never happen again.)
They DO know why we come there and they know what services they will privide, so get the cat and mouse games out of the way of having fun. Basically don't be silly, but probably all that comes with multiple experiences. I felt the same uneasyness going to an escort. I just tell them that I am a little nervous and could they help and lead me through the process and teach me. They all like to teach in my experience, even if I now don't need too much training.
Enjoy 2017 . And share the info.
DC.
Body Rubs but no Table Shower
[QUOTE=Mongeroose;3214019]When I frequented parlors I would place my maximum tip under my sunglasses or watch. Depending on the service I would tip appropriately after getting dressed. Second the advice on not bringing anything more than the money you plan to spend into the AMP. No I'd or cell (real or burner). I prefer the incall body rub providers now though. No negotiation, not a hard target for LE, no pretense, no other dudes. More relaxing IMO. To each their own.[/QUOTE]Like you, I have found the Body Rub Providers to be more consistent and high quality. The one item I miss is a good table shower. I visited on provider that gave a after rub scrub that was close, however the happiness was not that good. It would be nice to know if any of the Body Rub providers have a good substitute for the Table Shower and still provide a good haplessness at the end (or the beginning or the end or throughout! .
Never take in more than the fee.
[QUOTE=DC002;3212647]Actually I think we are all on the same page and agree you have to play it by ear.
Yes the providers are smart about tipping, usually. Probably your experience builds expertise and confidence, and they smell that. Usually paying the upfront from a small wad of bills that is the max you are prepared to pay works as well as anything. I don't personally like money discussions during a session. Strangely, when I offer amount up front, and I put it under my glasses / watch works, and they never have just taken it and I present at end and say thank you, wonderful time (which can be a 2 way street).
Someone mentioned leaving bills sticking out of his wallet. I would never bring in with you anything more than what you would be willing to pay, maybe even distributed in several pockets. Then you become a better negotiator against a sob story or a please, please. DC.[/QUOTE]You are correct to take in no more than the fee. I may take, an extra $20 with me for Superb service, but I have not had to dole out the extra $20 in quite some time.
I would not leave bills sticking out of my wallet on the counter. Taking your wallet in a spa is actually a big no no. You put the bills in a money clip on the counter. The provider will notice. Just bring your money and I'd in case the place is raided. If raided the cops will probably take down your name and let you go. If you do not have I'd, he police will probably give you a hard time thinking that you have something to hide. They will probably no let you go until you can prove who you are.
Propilot-Always check your six.
Paying before after whatever
You boys have been paying out your nose for so long you don't know what the fudge too do for a HJ from a 50's plus K gal.
Don't spend more than what you want plain and simple. JMHO In the land where they print money.
PC out.
