"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2524250]Had an interesting M&G. She was a 25 year old Asian. We met at a local Italian restaurant. Her profile on SA led me to believe she was a pro but I will let you decide. She arrived early at the bar and we had a glass of wine. I cleared the tab and we went to our table on the patio. After a while there was mutual caressing on the arms, shoulder and back. She had a strong Asian accent that required her to repeat her sentences. Maybe I'm just deaf. Toward the end of our dinner she started asking about the arrangement. Frequency, time, and amount. We settled on an allowance for a few times a month. At the end of our dinner she started talking about how she likes to do oral and other things. The little head was getting very excited, I asked her if she liked to use toys and she said yes. I offered to buy her a toy at a local store and she agreed. As we were heading to the toy store she pulled my hand over her thigh so I could stroke her leg. She pulled up her skirt up and was going commando. It was nice rubbing that sweet clam as I was driving down Broad Street. It was weird walking into the store with a hot Asian women to pick out a dildo. She selected a jack rabbit that I had suggested and we went to the counter to make sure it worked OK. After we got in the car she pulled the toy out and started to look at it. She wanted to use it right away so I pulled into an alley. Once in the alley she started to use the jack rabbit while I caressed her nice tits and had some DFK. After she came I asked her if she wanted to come to my house. She politely said that she did not want to come to my place on the first date because it would it seem like she was a * We are scheduled to meet next Saturday. I was fortunate to find a young lady from my mongering side to take the pressure off later that evening.[/QUOTE]I don't know if she's a pro due to limited about information within your post. But I've been battling the though that I maybe dealing with a pro myself. I usually only participate in the bowl when I'm traveling. But I travel to the same areas regularly. I've been talking to this 20 year old college student through texting mainly. I call her once when she ask, when will we talked on the phone. I replied we could speak now but she suggested we speak she took a bath. She never called, a few days later I set her a message and she text back and she said we could talk now. The conversation was short. Now I text her a few days later again and she was telling how her house was broken into and thieves took her TV set, red bottoms and a few other material things according to her. She even mentioned how you really know whose down for you when things are bad. Now, through our communication I was told she's a full time student taking online courses. She recent move to my target area and she don't anyone in area. She wants to move to another state and that she plans to go shopping for either a condo or apartment. I don't know how a full-time online student manage to do all this. I know you could rent but really believe she's pro or she could just be telling a lie. I get random pictures from sometimes, her profile have few professionals looking photos.

Bought my sa subscription on Monday and the messaging action has been off the chart.

First m&g Friday with a sweet looking singel mom newbie, No car so yea I had to pick her up.

Right away I was thinking really cute face, but to much to love on the regular. Not get out of car bad, but just in the last 5 days my bandwidth has narrowed considerably. (There are hot young bitches to be had in the bowl).

Anyway drove around for a while, her first encounter in the bowl as well. We found a very nice out of the way bar and in we went.

We had some preliminary lfk in the car before we went in so I knew things would progress as planned.

After a bite and a couple of drinks back in the car to leave, the action heated up. She agreed to the FC but I didn't want to throw down for a room so I told her not enough time.

I had her unbutton her pants so I could do some clam digging and put her hand on my unit. After a bit I asked her if she wanted to see it. Mind you its broad daylight. So I stop the action and pull the car around back of the bar.

My pants slide down and down she goes. I figure this is one and done so I try for the full paint can* She wasn't fulling embarrassing that but hung in there.

Until I dropped my load. She spit it out the window and chuckled when I said " I told you I liked it rough" I gave her 80 when I dropped her off, and she's all about getting together again.

Not really going to happen unless she drops 25 lbs or so. Anyway so ends my first encounter in the bowl.

* Imaging shaking a full paint can in your lap.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2524358]She definitly knows the game, maby a utr? Clearly not a lost young innocent soul! Since you are an experienced monger, roll with it and see how it unfolds (pun intended).

I'm 3 weeks into my SA account, ton of chatting, several m&g's, several pro's from VERY low level to high end, but pro non the less. A couple strong possibilities. Damn this is getting interesting. Should have done the SA thing from the start.[/QUOTE]I forgot to mention that when I dropped her off she drove off in a Mercedes. She has to be a pro. Will find out Saturday.

It's been an 18 month hiatus from the bowl, but my rotation has slowly dwindled down.

I've read the last month of the thread, and it looks like Hollywood contributed sure fast way to success in the bowl! Is this the next genre of PUA? .

Looking forward to catching-up with old friends and making new ones.

BR.

[QUOTE=Falar;2524368]I don't know if she's a pro due to limited about information within your post. But I've been battling the though that I maybe dealing with a pro myself. I usually only participate in the bowl when I'm traveling. But I travel to the same areas regularly. I've been talking to this 20 year old college student through texting mainly. I call her once when she ask, when will we talked on the phone. I replied we could speak now but she suggested we speak she took a bath. She never called, a few days later I set her a message and she text back and she said we could talk now. The conversation was short. Now I text her a few days later again and she was telling how her house was broken into and thieves took her TV set, red bottoms and a few other material things according to her. She even mentioned how you really know whose down for you when things are bad. Now, through our communication I was told she's a full time student taking online courses. She recent move to my target area and she don't anyone in area. She wants to move to another state and that she plans to go shopping for either a condo or apartment. I don't know how a full-time online student manage to do all this. I know you could rent but really believe she's pro or she could just be telling a lie. I get random pictures from sometimes, her profile have few professionals looking photos.[/QUOTE]Perhaps not a pro, but she's definitely a player. Be careful.

Just got a huge laugh out of the girl who said that I need to prove to her that I'm not broke, so I need to send her money before she'll even consider a M&G. She got really belligerent when I politely declined. Got to love the scammers that are polluting our pool of sugar baby sites.

LOL, I was chatting with a beautiful mixed girl, posted in my town but come to find out she is at "grandmas" 2 hr away and needs gas money! She claims that she will head straight to whoever givers her the money first. Needless to say, I opened my wallet and I sent her everything I have. Boy, I can't wait till she gets here! Damn these girls.

Keeping my utrs in the rotation to fill in the slow times. Met with my MILF recently, destroyed the poor girl, it was a while I guess. Need to find a good regular sb fast. Still looking.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2524911]Just got a huge laugh out of the girl who said that I need to prove to her that I'm not broke, so I need to send her money before she'll even consider a M&G. She got really belligerent when I politely declined. Got to love the scammers that are polluting our pool of sugar baby sites.[/QUOTE]

Well due to my foot still killing me I only made it to the FC 8 times this month (so far). The only upside is I wore my girls out every time from all the pent up energy. Got to stay positive. Its also given me some time to get caught up on work and reflect a little about my life in general. Nice to see a lot of posting from some new folks.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2524988]LOL, I was chatting with a beautiful mixed girl, posted in my town but come to find out she is at "grandmas" 2 hr away and needs gas money! She claims that she will head straight to whoever givers her the money first. Needless to say, I opened my wallet and I sent her everything I have. Boy, I can't wait till she gets here! Damn these girls.

Keeping my utrs in the rotation to fill in the slow times. Met with my MILF recently, destroyed the poor girl, it was a while I guess. Need to find a good regular sb fast. Still looking.[/QUOTE]I had an 18 year old with some absolutely massive tits and 'substantial' listed as her needs try to shame me because I didn't offer her a massive allowance at a M&G. It was rather comical, she said I was a really nice guy but that she had to have that level of allowance. GPS at its finest, I'm sure she would have been a dead fish in bed too but I'd have at least had fun with those tits. Oh well.

So a couple of questions for the vets:

1) How do you actually go about releasing a baby? I've seen one a couple of times and the last time it felt more like an escort session than an arrangement. Part of that is my fault as I told her I didn't have a lot of time and I broke my own 'no straight to FC' rule, but I really didn't like the vibe I got from her. I have the standard security rules in place, but I prefer not being an asshole and I don't want to just ignore her. Plus I'd like to leave open a quickie in the future if I have the need.

2) Have you ever had a baby on a site share nude photos (unprompted, I don't ask for nudes) with you very early in discussions? This girl lives in a relatively expensive part of town by herself, I was somewhat amazed she shared those type of photos. Feels like a UTR but I'd prefer a second opinion.

The last week I've been working a couple new ones and had a 2nd and third encounter with my little latin princess. Before her the other 2:

One is a definite stay away, my Sipdey senses were way up on this one as a TGTBT. After 2 days of back and forth on SA and texting I ended up bailing out. She's running some kind of scam, can't figure it out but somethings up. As I was bailing she actually got to the point of offering it for free she was so desperate to meet. Here is the profile to watch out [URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e0094faf/view?search-created-new[/URL].

The second was "Mary Jane" she uses that pseudonym because she likes weed so much. Because I can always go for a romp, and a little smoke, we took off for the local FC to imbibe. She's a willowy strawberry blond with perky A's and the most tasty little shaved pussy. I'll probably hold her for when my ATF isn't available as kissing was a bit limited and the BJ as all about getting me off without delay. I like to take it slow. I'd put her in the UTR category, she's definitely done this before. I suspect she's done some stripping based on the tattoos and her willingness to jump out of her clothes and into her Victorias Secrets within 30 seconds of the door closing behind her. Considering it was $150 and she supplied the smoke I'll most definitely repeat.

Last and certainly not least is my new ATF, the 18 yo PR princess. Just got back from session #3 and I'm quite frankly dizzy. This girl is so into kissing it reminds me of back seat make out sessions in high school. As soon as you touch a fun part the moaning starts. The first 2 times we stopped at BJ's, this time after dining at the why for a good 30 minutes I couldn't resist diving in when she moaned "I want you inside me". I can't quite put into words what it was like sticking it into a 4'-11" 96 lb. 18 year old. Of course tight and wet come to mind but words for the exact quality of the experience evades me.

My last 2 meetings were marred by her gag reflex. Both times she needed to stop in the middle. We texted about it prior to #3 and as she put it she's "not used to it" as she said she hasn't has sex too many times. I don't really believe that but I sure want to! This time she gobbled it like a pro, I suggested she come up for air every now and again so maybe that helped.

[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2525428]I had an 18 year old with some absolutely massive tits and 'substantial' listed as her needs try to shame me because I didn't offer her a massive allowance at a M&G. It was rather comical, she said I was a really nice guy but that she had to have that level of allowance. GPS at its finest, I'm sure she would have been a dead fish in bed too but I'd have at least had fun with those tits. Oh well.

So a couple of questions for the vets:

1) How do you actually go about releasing a baby? I've seen one a couple of times and the last time it felt more like an escort session than an arrangement. Part of that is my fault as I told her I didn't have a lot of time and I broke my own 'no straight to FC' rule, but I really didn't like the vibe I got from her. I have the standard security rules in place, but I prefer not being an asshole and I don't want to just ignore her. Plus I'd like to leave open a quickie in the future if I have the need.

2) Have you ever had a baby on a site share nude photos (unprompted, I don't ask for nudes) with you very early in discussions? This girl lives in a relatively expensive part of town by herself, I was somewhat amazed she shared those type of photos. Feels like a UTR but I'd prefer a second opinion.[/QUOTE]If you don't want to keep it open for a future meeting just change your number, get a new google voice one or a textfree app that is just what it implies, I think on that one you have to pay for minutes if you want to actually talk on the phone but you're good to go texting. Now if you don't want to change your number just tell her the boss is getting a little suspicious these days so you're going to have to say close to home a bit until she cools down a little bit (if she questions you still being on sa just say you prepaid because it was cheaper that way which is true so it won't look odd).

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2524988]LOL, I was chatting with a beautiful mixed girl, posted in my town but come to find out she is at "grandmas" 2 hr away and needs gas money! She claims that she will head straight to whoever givers her the money first. Needless to say, I opened my wallet and I sent her everything I have. Boy, I can't wait till she gets here! Damn these girls.

Keeping my utrs in the rotation to fill in the slow times. Met with my MILF recently, destroyed the poor girl, it was a while I guess. Need to find a good regular sb fast. Still looking.[/QUOTE]I'm always curious as to whether or not they'll keep their word and show up once they have the funds they're requesting. Obviously future sugar does not matter to someone who is attempting to scam you but seems to me it certainly would be to someone that is in it for the right reasons, it's a catch 22. I do like to have a level of trust w / them, as I do with the 2 I see but it took a while to weed out the rest to say the least.

[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2525428]

1) How do you actually go about releasing a baby? I've seen one a couple of times and the last time it felt more like an escort session than an arrangement. Part of that is my fault as I told her I didn't have a lot of time and I broke my own 'no straight to FC' rule, but I really didn't like the vibe I got from her. I have the standard security rules in place, but I prefer not being an asshole and I don't want to just ignore her. Plus I'd like to leave open a quickie in the future if I have the need.[/QUOTE]I find there are two generic strategies that work:

1) "My wife (SO / GF) almost caught me and is now watching very closely. I need to protect you from any drama by abstaining for awhile. ".

2) "Can you see me without an allowance for a month or two? My portfolio / investments took a big hit this month and I am not going to have any free cash until the markets recover. I promise to make it up to you later? Can you? Please?" If she says Yes, well, win-win.

Both preserve the option of returning while also getting you free in the short term.

BAM.

[QUOTE=ReaperGuy;2525428]
1) How do you actually go about releasing a baby?

2) Have you ever had a baby on a site share nude photos (unprompted, I don't ask for nudes) with you very early in discussions? This girl lives in a relatively expensive part of town by herself, I was somewhat amazed she shared those type of photos. Feels like a UTR but I'd prefer a second opinion.[/QUOTE]1. Most of the time I just let the texts dwindle off, say I'm busy, etc. Honestly most of these girls have some aspect of their personality that I find annoying, so if I'm in the state of mind where I want to make a point sometimes I just start using that to their disadvantage. It's generally better not to make waves though, especially if you play close to home or are at alimony risk (neither of those are true for me). Sometimes making waves leads to an argument and great anger-sex or make-up sex after the fight, but when that happens its usually accidental with me rather than part of a plan. Getting in the habit of never answering your phone (just never talk voice, always text) helps when its time to break off, because then you can just start spacing the timing of your texts farther apart to wean her off of you more gradually.

2. Yes, nude photos are surprisingly common in modern days of mobile phones, online dating in general etc. If an SB does this very early, even before first meeting then yes I would tend to regard them as a bit more on the UTR side than what I consider a true SB. But it's not a guarantee.

I'm new to the SD scene and I'll I'm encountering is golden pussy. 2-3 k a month, 1000 per time with no oral. I'm really new but good god where's the 150 200 per time low 20 year olds. I'm in the Blacksburg Roanoke area.