Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=DNut;3663173]I don't know why some guys leave to head to an Incall location without an exact address. When I am told to go to some generic location and wait for further instructions, I just say that I don't do that. It's not Mission: Impossible where you have to go to certain stops. If they insist, I just say, "It's not going to work. I am calling someone else. ". You have the power of the cash, and with it comes the "No BS leverage". Use it.[/QUOTE]This is EXACTLY right. And once you get an address and show up, don't wait more than 10 min, and that's generous. There's plenty of decent girls, whether UTR or on USASG that will take care of you without all the bullshit.

I passed because the face pic she sent me didn't really do anything for me. Different strokes for different folks. I was only trying to answer a question that someone asked. I thought that was what this forun was for?

[QUOTE=BTBear;3662931]If $250 an hour is too much, then keep calling the BP ads or Craigslist. Be the third, fourth or seventh guy she sees that day. Be the second or third run to the dealer for her fix. With Suzie you might. Underscore might. Be the only one for the day, and it is because she truly likes sex and figures "WTF, I guess can pay for a Christmas present or two while cumming twice. " From my past experience with Suzie you probably are at the worst only the second of the day.

I have been doing the Hobby too long. I remember when NO ONE offered Half Hours, let alone QVs. Quality talent gives more value than what you pay in price. I last saw Suzie in '14. It has been so long, I don't remember what I paid. I can tell you she was worth every penny I spent. She was so stringent in screening that we first met at a bar and then went from there. I guess I passed the "meet for drinks" test because I saw her probably 7 times and each time was fantastic. Never a clock watcher. Treated me like a king. Always offered two pops. She is not a twenty-something, but that brings a certain sense of sexuality that only a woman who really understands her own body AND yours can bring to the bed.

Suzie, if you read this, I hope you remember Profromdover / Willy Loman / BTBear fondly. It isn't your rate that keeps me away. I just really don't have the time. You are / were great.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3663790]This is EXACTLY right. And once you get an address and show up, don't wait more than 10 min, and that's generous. There's plenty of decent girls, whether UTR or on USASG that will take care of you without all the bullshit.[/QUOTE]Yes there are plenty of UTR or USASG girls who don't play games. And I didn't think this one would either based on a recent rave review by a senior member. He has since posted a second one so I'm sure she is great. But where I screwed up was asking two questions in the same text message. Her age and her address. Not all, but some of the girls can't seem to handle that. She was getting in the shower so I thought she'd send the address afterward. Considering the review, I had no reason to think she wouldn't. Lesson learned.

LL.

Hey Bear,

We've gotten on pretty well and I'm not trying to change that, but. I remember many years ago I joined USASG (under a different ID) and the 1st review I posted got pretty well lambasted by several "seniors". They didn't even attempt to be polite or constructive about it, just basically told me that my review was shit. As a newbie, it really made me not feel all that comfortable posting. Kind of felt like I was infringing on a good ole boy network or something. It was a few years later before I came back to try again. So I'm just sayin'. I didn't see anything in Dlr1421's post that put the lady in question down, he just stated that he wasn't into paying that kind of money for it. I have more than enough money to spend on the hobby, and to be honest I see very few providers in the Cincy area that I consider worth that. Maybe it wasn't your intention to come off that way, but he looks fairly new, and the more posters we get, the better. Let's not chase them off.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3662931]If $250 an hour is too much, then keep calling the BP ads or Craigslist. Be the third, fourth or seventh guy she sees that day. Be the second or third run to the dealer for her fix. With Suzie you might. Underscore might. Be the only one for the day, and it is because she truly likes sex and figures "WTF, I guess can pay for a Christmas present or two while cumming twice. " From my past experience with Suzie you probably are at the worst only the second of the day.

I have been doing the Hobby too long. I remember when NO ONE offered Half Hours, let alone QVs. Quality talent gives more value than what you pay in price. I last saw Suzie in '14. It has been so long, I don't remember what I paid. I can tell you she was worth every penny I spent. She was so stringent in screening that we first met at a bar and then went from there. I guess I passed the "meet for drinks" test because I saw her probably 7 times and each time was fantastic. Never a clock watcher. Treated me like a king. Always offered two pops. She is not a twenty-something, but that brings a certain sense of sexuality that only a woman who really understands her own body AND yours can bring to the bed.

Suzie, if you read this, I hope you remember Profromdover / Willy Loman / BTBear fondly. It isn't your rate that keeps me away. I just really don't have the time. You are / were great.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuvnLivn;3665306]Yes there are plenty of UTR or USASG girls who don't play games. And I didn't think this one would either based on a recent rave review by a senior member. He has since posted a second one so I'm sure she is great. But where I screwed up was asking two questions in the same text message. Her age and her address. Not all, but some of the girls can't seem to handle that. She was getting in the shower so I thought she'd send the address afterward. Considering the review, I had no reason to think she wouldn't. Lesson learned.

LL.[/QUOTE]Ha! I have learned to keep the questions to one at a time. A lot of these young chicks can't deal with a paragraph or more than a single line of text.

Merry Christmas, everyone, and don't forget to leave the cookies and MILF out for Santa!

CFG.

[QUOTE=DaddioDoc;3665413]Hey Bear,

We've gotten on pretty well and I'm not trying to change that, but. I remember many years ago I joined USASG (under a different ID) and the 1st review I posted got pretty well lambasted by several "seniors". They didn't even attempt to be polite or constructive about it, just basically told me that my review was shit. As a newbie, it really made me not feel all that comfortable posting. Kind of felt like I was infringing on a good ole boy network or something. It was a few years later before I came back to try again. So I'm just sayin'. I didn't see anything in Dlr1421's post that put the lady in question down, he just stated that he wasn't into paying that kind of money for it. I have more than enough money to spend on the hobby, and to be honest I see very few providers in the Cincy area that I consider worth that. Maybe it wasn't your intention to come off that way, but he looks fairly new, and the more posters we get, the better. Let's not chase them off.[/QUOTE]I guess I over reacted and did not mean the reply to be as sarcastic as it turned out. Everyone has their budget. But to me a public statement about a provider's rate being too high is unnecessary. Some can only afford a Quarter-Pounder, while others think nothing about spending $60+ for a steak at a Ruby's Steakhouse. I think that many of the providers open themselves up to criticism and bottom feeders by not posting a rate for "their time. " I have a budget. I don't knowingly contact any woman outside of my budget. Just like I wouldn't ask for that steak at Ruby's for $40. Negotiating wastes time for both parties. My simple reply to the woman who did not post her rate in her ad, when the woman's reply about her rate is too high is always, "Thank you for your swift reply, but you are outside of my hobby budget. Have a nice day. " Some come back with a "Well, what is your budget?" That reply always makes me go "Hmmm". If I tell her and she accepts, I am always skeptical about the "value" I will get when a woman is so willing to negotiate. Will I get the same value from a lady who is willing to cut her $350 rate down almost 50% so quickly?

If you talk with any of the women you see, they will you privately tell you that the rate of hagglers and bottom feeders has increased since BP has changed their ad format. And these "gentlemen" are asking more and more about activities that they will get for the money. For most of the ladies these are both things that screams LEO and will generally get them ignored in the future.

Bottom line to this long post is, I am sorry that I came down too hard on the original poster.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3665562]I guess I over reacted and did not mean the reply to be as sarcastic as it turned out. Everyone has their budget. But to me a public statement about a provider's rate being too high is unnecessary.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Only if you're white knighting her.

Every time you put up a post where you're saying a guy is wrong and the chick is right you're white knighting. Don't do it. You can review the chick, if you think she's worth 250 then say so, don't attack his to say so, just say so.

A2[/BLUE]

[QUOTE=Dlr1421;3663959]I passed because the face pic she sent me didn't really do anything for me. Different strokes for different folks. I was only trying to answer a question that someone asked. I thought that was what this forun was for?[/QUOTE]And that is exactly what the forum is for. I appreciate the intel because I don't want to waste any time pursuing a chick asking $250 if I'm not going to like the way she looks.

Got a great quote in a PM the other day:

[highlight][i]Far too many guys on here would fuck a pig, in a pigsty, and write a glowing, wonderful review.[/i][/highlight]

That is a true statement, and it's why we often wind up somewhere we don't want to be. I'm not saying Soccer Mom reflects that remark, but it's not a negative to say she's not your type, and there's no call for a bunch of finger-wagging over it.

From Nicole, Manda and Glockman. Merry Christmas to all the monger and providers in the Queen City from the City On The Bluff.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3662931]
Suzie, if you read this, I hope you remember Profromdover / Willy Loman / BTBear fondly. It isn't your rate that keeps me away. I just really don't have the time. You are / were great.[/QUOTE]Dude, she most likely doesn't remember you at all.

It's all good Bear. Like I said, you always came off as a good dude. The post just kind of brought back memories of my experience that made me leave the site for awhile. Not because my feelings are easily hurt, hell I've been married with children for 37+ years, I don't think I have any feelings left to hurt. More just thinking about trying to keep posters who are willing to share around. You do make valid points.

[QUOTE=BTBear;3665562]I guess I over reacted and did not mean the reply to be as sarcastic as it turned out. Everyone has their budget. But to me a public statement about a provider's rate being too high is unnecessary. Some can only afford a Quarter-Pounder, while others think nothing about spending $60+ for a steak at a Ruby's Steakhouse. I think that many of the providers open themselves up to criticism and bottom feeders by not posting a rate for "their time. " I have a budget. I don't knowingly contact any woman outside of my budget. Just like I wouldn't ask for that steak at Ruby's for $40. Negotiating wastes time for both parties. My simple reply to the woman who did not post her rate in her ad, when the woman's reply about her rate is too high is always, "Thank you for your swift reply, but you are outside of my hobby budget. Have a nice day. " Some come back with a "Well, what is your budget?" That reply always makes me go "Hmmm". If I tell her and she accepts, I am always skeptical about the "value" I will get when a woman is so willing to negotiate. Will I get the same value from a lady who is willing to cut her $350 rate down almost 50% so quickly?

If you talk with any of the women you see, they will you privately tell you that the rate of hagglers and bottom feeders has increased since BP has changed their ad format. And these "gentlemen" are asking more and more about activities that they will get for the money. For most of the ladies these are both things that screams LEO and will generally get them ignored in the future.

Bottom line to this long post is, I am sorry that I came down too hard on the original poster.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaddioDoc;3667086]It's all good Bear. Like I said, you always came off as a good dude. The post just kind of brought back memories of my experience that made me leave the site for awhile. Not because my feelings are easily hurt, hell I've been married with children for 37+ years, I don't think I have any feelings left to hurt. More just thinking about trying to keep posters who are willing to share around. You do make valid points.[/QUOTE]Not me. If she is asking it's because she is still hoping to do business.

I've been free to say what I think 'market value' or what my budget is and doubt she's going to give me 50% less service.

[QUOTE=DaddioDoc;3672767]Saw these 2 on CL.

[URL]https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/crs/d/come-let-us-help-you-warm-up/6441523215.html[/URL]

Emailed and got quick responses,[b]but no reviews and no references[/b], and I am just not the TOFTT type unless I can get more info. They sent me 2 pics.

4 handed massage is a bucket list item that I've yet to fulfill.

[b]I directed them to the USAAC site. We'll see if they go there.[/b][/QUOTE]Perhaps I have been doing things wrong because I have only invited providers to advertise on USAAC once I know that their level of service matches the expectations of the members here. There has been enough riff raff that has found their way here, particularly since the changes made by BP, without extending invitations to unknown parties who are currently advertising on CL.

[QUOTE=DaddioDoc;3672767]Saw these 2 on CL.

[URL]https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/crs/d/come-let-us-help-you-warm-up/6441523215.html[/URL]

Emailed and got quick responses, but no reviews and no references, and I am just not the TOFTT type unless I can get more info. They sent me 2 pics.

4 handed massage is a bucket list item that I've yet to fulfill.

I directed them to the USAAC site. We'll see if they go there.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ceenote;3673385]Perhaps I have been doing things wrong because I have only invited providers to advertise on USAAC once I know that their level of service matches the expectations of the members here. There has been enough riff raff that has found their way here, particularly since the changes made by BP, without extending invitations to unknown parties who are currently advertising on CL.[/QUOTE]As much as I can sympathize with Ceenote with trying to keep the standard high on USAAC, it is also the revenue generating site that keeps this board free for us mongers. The advertisers pay to be on there, and those fees is what enables A2 and the gang to keep the lights on here.

It's a double edged sword and you have to take the bad with the good. Do your homework, report bad experiences, and together we can minimize the risk of a bad session.

[blue]We aren't charging the chicks on the USAAC at this time.

A2[/blue]