Arrangement Reports

Here's another rookie move I made last week: letting a girl drink way too much. Not only more likely she'll start acting stupid, complaining about her life, get sloppy. But chances good the sex will suck as well. I am somewhat conflicted on this one, since a little bit of alcohol can help her feel more comfortable. You just want to make sure she doesn't over do it. You end up with a harder to handle chick. Plus, you're only running up your bill for the drinks. Silly reminder: LEARN FROM MY MISTAKES.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f35927fa-648f-4ad2-98c6-afeeaa826715[/URL]

Never talked to her before, but messaged me "scammer scammer scammer" and blocked me LOL.

So probably best to avoid.

[QUOTE=MrCharmo;5424375]Work usually keeps me busy, so I had gone along with her pick on where to go for dinner. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but the bill with drinks afterward was almost 2 bills. I'd want to avoid spending too much on a p4 p girl. Shoot, even if we're fucking for free. Our next date will be at her house. I'll just pick up a 6 pack and order a pizza.[/QUOTE]Obviously you need a decent level of game, which is more or less true of SA in general. But how do you lead the conversation to get to that meetup and fuck while sidestepping explicit talk of arrangements, expectations, and benefits? Do you just treat it like any other dating site or is there more to it?

[QUOTE=JonnyRyall;5423944]I know someone else she did this to. Exactly the same. Pleasant first meeting with really deep hardship stories. Keeps the psychopath well hidden, then come threats, extortion, deadlines, etc.[/QUOTE]I think they operate on the same level as those scammer on social media that try and trap guys into video chat "sex" and then attempt to extort money saying they were talking to an underage girl and all the rest. 99% of them are all bluster and if you just refuse to engage and block them, move on to their next target. They are preying on guys who panic or think "OMG! What am I going to do, let's pay to see if this stops or goes away". Except like that, if you pay. They never go away. The threats keep coming and it just escalates. There are stories out there of guys killing themselves after getting caught up in this kind of stuff. I'm taking advice from LEO on this one and just refusing to engage, blocked her, and saving EVERYTHING just in case she decides to actually go thru with the threats.

Hi,

I haven't been on SA for like 4 years and thinking of getting back in the game. Is it still worth it to join? I know they are banning users now not like before. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Silver6933;5424942]Hi,

I haven't been on SA for like 4 years and thinking of getting back in the game. Is it still worth it to join? I know they are banning users now not like before. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I was on SA a couple years ago and recently reactivated. You can still strike gold, but it feels like a lot more work, and the girls are more flaky, entitled, and shameless than ever. Avoid the strippers.

[QUOTE=MrCharmo;5424375]When meeting up a girl for first time, meet up for a coffee or a quick bite. Avoid going out for dinners, it can get expensive. Especially if you're not even sure of the outcome afterward. I'm only posting this in case it is of any use to any newbies. Surely all you experienced hobbies know this as "common sense. ".

I am definitely a bit rusty, finally connected with a girl last week. We had been chatting a few months ago. The girl is gorgeous, had a cute dress that showed off her great body very nicely. Convo was enjoyable. We fucked at the end of the night, so everything was on point.

Work usually keeps me busy, so I had gone along with her pick on where to go for dinner. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but the bill with drinks afterward was almost 2 bills. I'd want to avoid spending too much on a p4 p girl. Shoot, even if we're fucking for free. Our next date will be at her house. I'll just pick up a 6 pack and order a pizza.[/QUOTE]If you've never met, dinner can be a long time to suffer through a bad meet. Coffee is great. It's in the morning so if she's into bad shit it is tough to hide. Less expensive than dinner and you can end it as soon as it goes awry.

My best first meet was with one that looked like a young Robin Wright Penn. I must have been drooling during the whole talk and I might have even proposed. The record skipped once the subject of my marriage came up.

In topic but I think it's not worth the effort to hide your relationship. In fact I think a lot of these girls are actually turned on by the idea of being the other woman. This one wasn't, not because of any moral dilemma just didn't want to have to sneak around. She was in her 30's but I think girls in their 20's enjoy the game. Maybe some of you disagree but I kind of feel this way.

I found that even that's a waste. I offer to meet them in public. They like that. Then I tell them to lets meet in the parking lot and we can chat in one of our cars without having to whisper. 90% of the time they are ok with that. I usually push for a motel parking lot and say that if you are not comfortable we don't have to go further. If you are, here we are.

[QUOTE=DynoJr;5425309]If you've never met, dinner can be a long time to suffer through a bad meet. Coffee is great. It's in the morning so if she's into bad shit it is tough to hide. Less expensive than dinner and you can end it as soon as it goes awry.

My best first meet was with one that looked like a young Robin Wright Penn. I must have been drooling during the whole talk and I might have even proposed. The record skipped once the subject of my marriage came up.

In topic but I think it's not worth the effort to hide your relationship. In fact I think a lot of these girls are actually turned on by the idea of being the other woman. This one wasn't, not because of any moral dilemma just didn't want to have to sneak around. She was in her 30's but I think girls in their 20's enjoy the game. Maybe some of you disagree but I kind of feel this way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Randolph;5425966]I found that even that's a waste. I offer to meet them in public. They like that. Then I tell them to lets meet in the parking lot and we can chat in one of our cars without having to whisper. 90% of the time they are ok with that. I usually push for a motel parking lot and say that if you are not comfortable we don't have to go further. If you are, here we are.[/QUOTE]All this discussion of dinners and cofee reminds me of one of my earliest attempts to meet someone on SA. Reasonably attractive younger redhead, polite and friendly at first. We decide to meet in public, so I suggest a particular coffee place that's central to both of us and isn't going to be full of people I know. Immediately the dismissive attitude and whining starts in about how she deserves a nice dinner and an upscale place, etc. Etc. There's no way in hell I'm taking any of these chicks out to dinner or lunch or anything else on a first meeting. Said it before, it sucks enough going on a real date and trying to get through it with someone you actually might want to get to know a bit. Someone my age taking a 21 year old who looks nothing like she could be my daughter to a fancy dinner not only looks creepy as hell, but spending $$ to sit there and be so bored I want to commit seppuku? And she'd probably be just as bored? No thanks.

I'd consider meeting for coffee someplace, but mostly I'm with you. We all know why we're here, the fake "spend a bunch of money on clothes / dinners" thing is bullshit. Definitely one of the downsides of SA. Just fuck me and I'll give you the $ to go get whatever food and clothes you want. We'll both be happier.

[QUOTE=Chicago41;5424032]She's a moron. Screenshot all of her texts and save them to a folder somewhere along with all of the personal info you might know (phone #, where you met her, real name if you know it). Extortion is a Class 4 Felony and she just gave you all the evidence you need for a defense as well as to get her convicted. Uncle LEO will be much more interested in an extortion felony than someone fucking a chick he met on a site where everyone goes to meet people to fuck.[/QUOTE]I would have actually let it go one step further so you have the info on how she wanted the money sent. Once they've exposed their CashApp, Venmo, whatever, now there's a hard trail from their communications with you to their personal financial information, at least if they actually intended to get their hands on the money. Reporting directly to those services could get their accounts & funds frozen almost immediately, well before a police report saw any results. But that info would certainly jump start a police investigation much faster than just their social media info, and if they turned out to be based in another state when they tried to extort you, that opens them up to Federal charges too. I'm sure I'd want to get them blocked and out of sight as quickly as possible too, but would love to see someone put all that legal and financial hurt on one of these scammers!

[B]HeatherFeather[/B] in [B]Antioch[/B].

Antioch is in northern IL near the WI border. Use caution with this one. I can't message her because I don't have a paid SA account, but I did some detective work online and found her full name, home address, place of work, Facebook, Instagram, along with her court & arrest records. I didn't find her phone number though.

According to FB, the pics in her profile are around 7 years old. She has open court cases for traffic violations and for being in possession of drugs. There are some news articles about her that talk about her arrests for drugs and assault.

Use caution if you meet her.

https://www.seeking.com/member/dde2012e-e6de-4eeb-a1ba-0a1dc08fd847

My rule is 10 minutes and 10 bucks. We both meet for coffee for about 10 minutes. I buy. You honestly have decided by then if your going to have sex.

[QUOTE=Randolph;5425966]I found that even that's a waste. I offer to meet them in public. They like that. Then I tell them to lets meet in the parking lot and we can chat in one of our cars without having to whisper. 90% of the time they are ok with that. I usually push for a motel parking lot and say that if you are not comfortable we don't have to go further. If you are, here we are.[/QUOTE]

The only thing that concerns me here is the pics are 7 years old 😂.

[QUOTE=Zimbler;5427080][B]HeatherFeather[/B] in [B]Antioch[/B].
According to FB, the pics in her profile are around 7 years old. She has open court cases for traffic violations and for being in possession of drugs. There are some news articles about her that talk about her arrests for drugs and assault.

Use caution if you meet her.

https://www.seeking.com/member/dde2012e-e6de-4eeb-a1ba-0a1dc08fd847[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FafaFooey;5426057]I would have actually let it go one step further so you have the info on how she wanted the money sent. Once they've exposed their CashApp, Venmo, whatever, now there's a hard trail from their communications with you to their personal financial information, at least if they actually intended to get their hands on the money. Reporting directly to those services could get their accounts & funds frozen almost immediately, well before a police report saw any results. But that info would certainly jump start a police investigation much faster than just their social media info, and if they turned out to be based in another state when they tried to extort you, that opens them up to Federal charges too. I'm sure I'd want to get them blocked and out of sight as quickly as possible too, but would love to see someone put all that legal and financial hurt on one of these scammers![/QUOTE]Yes. She did the same thing to someone I know. Specific threat of extortion with very clear instructions, deadlines and cash transfer instructions including her cashapp account. This person has screenshots of all of it. Anyone can pm me for details. Throw the book at her.

[QUOTE=ChrisHansen92;5427448]My rule is 10 minutes and 10 bucks. We both meet for coffee for about 10 minutes. I buy. You honestly have decided by then if your going to have sex.[/QUOTE]That's one way to go. One of my best arrangements started this way. On the other hand, four of my worst lays on Seeking started this way. A girl who agrees to meet you in a Dunkin Donuts for 10 minutes right before you fuck in the motel next door may or may not be a good time. But the odds are a lot higher that she's a hustler, semi-pro, desperate because of her circumstances or sees me just as a source of cash and nothing else. That can be hot. I'd love to see a girl who turned 18 last week and is exploring her wild side with me a month before she decides to get into porn. And it would be exciting to see a 25 yo married chic who is desperate for just enough money to hire a divorce lawyer. But in reality, in my experience these kinds of very transactional arrangements are just like seeing an escort, which doesn't really do it for me.

The best sex with the hottest girls have been in arrangements where we went to a nice dinner to meet and she wouldn't go to a hotel with me until date two. And there's been a bunch of girls who went on a nice dinner with me and wouldn't go to a hotel with me ever, despite my best sales pitch. It's not wasted money. It's an investment. Some of these girls I'm still thinking about when I jerk off 10 years later. That's life changing sex and I can't wait to put in the investment to have more of it.

Sometimes I'm traveling and horny and I take what I can get. But the difference in how much I enjoy A) "This girl is cute and says she's basically DTF, but in her snapchat she's clearly been up for 24 hours and it looks like there's a gun in her backseat?" and B) "That Purdue cheerleader was with me two weeks ago and I just saw her on ESPN. " . Is tremendous.