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FC yesterday w / a married baby, InlandMILF. I'm watching out the window of the hotel, she pulls up in a German sports car. She's got horses & wears nice jewelry. Not poor. I think she's in the bowl b / c she's defiant / subversive to her jerk of a controlling husband, who works in 'security' (good enough to fly around the world doing it, leaving her alone to play) and is ex-military. This did give me pause, and I have maintained my usual high level of OpSec; not worrying about her, she's bright but not savvy in many ways of the bowl, but in fear hubby could suspect and try to track her / us down.

So I set up an account this past Sunday and started shooting off messages to the newer Latina girls on there. Tried to chose wisely and stayed away from the ones who were clearly out of my league. I have had a good number contact me back and went ahead and set up a couple of meet and greets for Thursday and Friday. One already flaked on our meeting for Friday.

I did communicate that the first meeting was sans sugar. Used the tips and suggestions I found on the Richmond thread. Many of these girls I've set up m&g's with gave me their real number and I was quickly able to find out more about them.

But I was shocked with how many wanted to be "pampered", treated like "queens", and the general level of GPS I came across. At this point in my life I should know better but nonetheless it's sobering seeing how many of these SB have unrealistic expectations. But so far I'm learning a lot. And trying to stay ambivalent to the whole thing and not get caught up.

Maybe it's because I'm ugly, or maybe I'm just too impatient. SA has not been good to me. Lots of girls flake at the last minute or develop GPS at the last minute (or right away). I'm also pretty sure there are tons of fake accounts that send messages just to entice you to join.

This is too much like dating. Except more expensive. I need to stick to straight-up professionals.

Had some girls on the hook and struck out with all of them because I don't want to pay $500 to $1000 when I'm used to banging Jenna Besos for $160 or PrincessK for $180. They don't care if I'm ugly.

Do you want to spend $1,000 to have dinner and "hang out" at the mall? This is your girl.

Bro,

Hear you. I had similar experience in San Diego area, and that's why I am no longer dealing w / SBs. Too much time and effort, and not particular less expensive than high-quality escorts.

[QUOTE=WHM69;3347816]Maybe it's because I'm ugly, or maybe I'm just too impatient. SA has not been good to me. Lots of girls flake at the last minute or develop GPS at the last minute (or right away). I'm also pretty sure there are tons of fake accounts that send messages just to entice you to join.

This is too much like dating. Except more expensive. I need to stick to straight-up professionals.

Had some girls on the hook and struck out with all of them because I don't want to pay $500 to $1000 when I'm used to banging Jenna Besos for $160 or PrincessK for $180. They don't care if I'm ugly.[/QUOTE]

How about a woman who looks like she's in her 50's but insists she's in her 30's? $300 just to have dinner but no touching.

And a gigantic attitude problem, you'll get to hear over and over that she's done this before and knows what she's worth.

[QUOTE=DogRice;3347849]Bro,

Hear you. I had similar experience in San Diego area, and that's why I am no longer dealing w / SBs. Too much time and effort, and not particular less expensive than high-quality escorts.[/QUOTE]I've had decent experiences with SA a few years ago, but it's just not happening for me now. Even fat girls want $300.

[QUOTE=WHM69;3347816]Maybe it's because I'm ugly, or maybe I'm just too impatient. SA has not been good to me. Lots of girls flake at the last minute or develop GPS at the last minute (or right away). I'm also pretty sure there are tons of fake accounts that send messages just to entice you to join.

This is too much like dating. Except more expensive. I need to stick to straight-up professionals.

Had some girls on the hook and struck out with all of them because I don't want to pay $500 to $1000 when I'm used to banging Jenna Besos for $160 or PrincessK for $180. They don't care if I'm ugly.[/QUOTE]We're fishing in the same pond, and I've seen a couple of those profiles, and also knew those were no-gos. I am contacting a different type, or getting responses from a different type, and am doing OK.

[QUOTE=WHM69;3347816]Maybe it's because I'm ugly, or maybe I'm just too impatient. SA has not been good to me. Lots of girls flake at the last minute or develop GPS at the last minute (or right away). I'm also pretty sure there are tons of fake accounts that send messages just to entice you to join.

This is too much like dating. Except more expensive. I need to stick to straight-up professionals.

Had some girls on the hook and struck out with all of them because I don't want to pay $500 to $1000 when I'm used to banging Jenna Besos for $160 or PrincessK for $180. They don't care if I'm ugly.[/QUOTE]Yeah its not for everyone and if that's what works for you and its probably the best route to take.

[QUOTE=WHM69;3347816]Maybe it's because I'm ugly, or maybe I'm just too impatient. SA has not been good to me. Lots of girls flake at the last minute or develop GPS at the last minute (or right away). I'm also pretty sure there are tons of fake accounts that send messages just to entice you to join.

This is too much like dating. Except more expensive. I need to stick to straight-up professionals.

Had some girls on the hook and struck out with all of them because I don't want to pay $500 to $1000 when I'm used to banging Jenna Besos for $160 or PrincessK for $180. They don't care if I'm ugly.[/QUOTE]It definitely takes a long time to find your groove on SA. Lots of trial and error. I would say it took me years to get to where I can slam dunk for a $. And I don't even go for $$. That would be just too easy (and expensive). Looks, personality, etc, do play a part.

In the beginning (sounds ominous), I way overpaid. But I was determined to learn this game (and develop some of my own). I had been in one LTR or another from HS to the age of 52. So you could say I had no game when I started in the bowl.

[QUOTE=WHM69;3347816]Maybe it's because I'm ugly, or maybe I'm just too impatient. SA has not been good to me. Lots of girls flake at the last minute or develop GPS at the last minute (or right away). I'm also pretty sure there are tons of fake accounts that send messages just to entice you to join.

This is too much like dating. Except more expensive. I need to stick to straight-up professionals.

Had some girls on the hook and struck out with all of them because I don't want to pay $500 to $1000 when I'm used to banging Jenna Besos for $160 or PrincessK for $180. They don't care if I'm ugly.[/QUOTE]Any gal on SA who is fooking for $100 is a pro. You might as well cut through the drama and go to backpage.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;3348000]It definitely takes a long time to find your groove on SA. Lots of trial and error. I would say it took me years to get to where I can slam dunk for a $. And I don't even go for $$. That would be just too easy (and expensive). Looks, personality, etc, do play a part.[/QUOTE]I noticed he's going after white / asian girls is $100 in there price range? That might be the problem. Also, do same day meetings help with the flaking?

[QUOTE=Zman429;3348134]I noticed he's going after white / asian girls is $100 in there price range? That might be the problem. Also, do same day meetings help with the flaking?[/QUOTE]People have to realize that the $100 slam dunks are almost always black (and sometimes latina) girls. Going for cute white / asian girls at the $100 price range is just asking for a waste of time.

[QUOTE=Stolper;3348226]People have to realize that the $100 slam dunks are almost always black (and sometimes latina) girls. Going for cute white / asian girls at the $100 price range is just asking for a waste of time.[/QUOTE]I can agree with that.

[QUOTE=Hundred;3348019]Any gal on SA who is fooking for $100 is a pro. You might as well cut through the drama and go to backpage.[/QUOTE]I disagree with this. But the girls at $ will be black (could be hotties) or latina (not as hot) or less than perfect white girls (could stand to loose a few lbs).

Holy shit that looks like Kelly Anne Conways sister! Can't sh eget a job sucking dick at the White House? .

[QUOTE=WHM69;3347856]How about a woman who looks like she's in her 50's but insists she's in her 30's? $300 just to have dinner but no touching.

And a gigantic attitude problem, you'll get to hear over and over that she's done this before and knows what she's worth.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WHM69;3347856]How about a woman who looks like she's in her 50's but insists she's in her 30's? $300 just to have dinner but no touching.

And a gigantic attitude problem, you'll get to hear over and over that she's done this before and knows what she's worth.[/QUOTE]If she "knows what she's worth" I hope you have change for a dollar.

[QUOTE=BigBadNut;3349293]Holy shit that looks like Kelly Anne Conways sister! Can't sh eget a job sucking dick at the White House? .[/QUOTE]Thats a trans girl.

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What I'm Looking for.

I just want to be treated like a princess and getting choked on occasions.

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Thats my kind of princess. lol

1. I just got blocked by a trashy-looking (but sexy) black girl after I offered her $300. She sent the message "I'm not that cheap" right before blocking me.

2. $300 seems to be the going rate for most girls who are down with casual fucking on a per-meeting basis. At least the ones I'm interested in. Relatively attractive, thin / athletic.

3. $500 will open the door to some of the really high quality girls that are serious lookers and head-turners. I have one girl I'm meeting soon who is a published model and youtube / instagram star. She doesn't advertise herself as such, but she got a little sloppy with some of the info she gave me and I figured it out. I won't let her know that I know.

4. Attractive light-skinned college girls won't even talk to me unless I bring $1,000 per night to the table. I did get one to compromise, but she's flaky and has an attitude problem.

5. Some girls will proposition me with their rate after 1 or 2 messages. Others are too shy to ask until the very last moment, after days of conversation and logistical planning. I can't decide which I like best.

There are exceptions to all of this, of course. But this has been my experience after the last week of intense S. A. Hunting.

[QUOTE=WHM69;3350412]1. I just got blocked by a trashy-looking (but sexy) black girl after I offered her $300. She sent the message "I'm not that cheap" right before blocking me.

2. $300 seems to be the going rate for most girls who are down with casual fucking on a per-meeting basis. At least the ones I'm interested in. Relatively attractive, thin / athletic.

3. $500 will open the door to some of the really high quality girls that are serious lookers and head-turners. I have one girl I'm meeting soon who is a published model and youtube / instagram star. She doesn't advertise herself as such, but she got a little sloppy with some of the info she gave me and I figured it out. I won't let her know that I know.

4. Attractive light-skinned college girls won't even talk to me unless I bring $1,000 per night to the table. I did get one to compromise, but she's flaky and has an attitude problem.

5. Some girls will proposition me with their rate after 1 or 2 messages. Others are too shy to ask until the very last moment, after days of conversation and logistical planning. I can't decide which I like best.

There are exceptions to all of this, of course. But this has been my experience after the last week of intense S. A. Hunting.[/QUOTE]You reap what you sow. You're treating them like BP hookers. You spend no time cultivating them as sugar relationships - these take time - even HWG does this. You are risking getting banned from the site, since you are clearly offering sex for $ - this will eventually bring down sugar dating sites and SA in particular. If a girl makes a specific $ proposal / demand, I'd report her. There is an excellent discussion of this topic on the Richmond sugar thread over the past few days. I recommend it.

FF away

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3350454]You reap what you sow. You're treating them like BP hookers. You spend no time cultivating them as sugar relationships - these take time - even HWG does this. You are risking getting banned from the site, since you are clearly offering sex for $ - this will eventually bring down sugar dating sites and SA in particular. If a girl makes a specific $ proposal / demand, I'd report her. There is an excellent discussion of this topic on the Richmond sugar thread over the past few days. I recommend it.

FF away[/QUOTE]I make my dollar amount offer on SA for what I refer to as a date. When they ask me what a date is, I tell them to email me, and then I will spell it out for them. I never discuss sex and money together on SA directly unless they bring it up and even then I only talk about the money but never any specific sex act.

In the past I didn't do much cultivating, but since my funds went down I have had no choice but to do so. The results have been OK, meaning the frequency and variety of girls have been less, but it's all I can afford, so it has fulfilled my needs (i.e. used up my budget). My super spinner who I saw yesterday for date # 2 had been conversing with me for weeks. I am sure in the past I would have just blown her off due to her not committing in a timely fashion. But she has been well worth the wait, and most likely I can now ditch my ATF thanks to her.

My ATF is a super spinner, but a much taller version, which has been fine but doesn't compare to a 5'5" height girl of actually better proportions and some equally and in some aspects sexier features. Plus she likes it really rough. I finally pushed her to her pain limit and even then I only stopped when she politely asked me too. Which was so sweet on her part. So, the bottom line. Being forced to converse for much greater lengths of time has yielded some good results and also helped fill up my time (which I have so much more of these days). Also my new little girl came about in a similar way. After multiple times flaking and missed communications we finally met up and it all worked out fine.

Also I have only reported one "girl" on SA. It was just some guy who non stopped harassed me for money for 3 days before I finally got their profile removed. Otherwise I would advise not going there. There are hundreds of pros on SA and it can only get worse as the gov keeps shutting down the real pro sites. I like to think of SA as a way to relax, and so getting all hot and bothered about anything that goes on in there would spoil the experience for me.

My new little girl is just adorable. I wish my x would stop hating on her.

I pay attention to expectation levels, but don't let it stop me. I've found many of the younger girls have no understanding of the value of a dollar and can't translate 10,000 a month to a per meet number. Others, set the expectations high hoping to win the lottery, but quickly accept something reasonable if the connection is there. Still others, claim to use the higher expectations as a way to weed out the low ballers.

I usually start by expressing my interest, but letting them known if their expectations are above my budget. Very few decline to continue the conversation because of my limited budget.

I almost always delete any girls with the "I know my worth" claim. That is almost always a "pain in the ass" red flag.

Also, any girl that presses for what my budget is also is red flag that she is only about the money.

My best experiences have been with SB's interested in an experience beyond the maximize dollars they can make. If their focus is on maximum dollars, they are just expensive BP girls IMHO.

[QUOTE=Venator;3341476]I keep my filter set at negotiable but I've had some fun with a couple of "practical" girls over the holidays. It seemed that the college lovelies need some extra Christmas/New Years Eve money so I was willing to help out. Seems the ladies quickly come back out of the stratosphere when they realize guy's aren't going give them what they want. I just take Kevin Hart's advice and stay in my lane. LOL.[/QUOTE]

Too bad my chemistry with this one wasn't what I had hoped for. Her body is bangin. But I just wasn't feelin it as much as I wanted too. Not all bad, a nice 18 year old freshman, just missing the mark a little. We still talk, but my plate is pretty full right now. Maybe next month. I need a little more lovin these days, like the emotional kind.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;3354467]Too bad my chemistry with this one wasn't what I had hoped for. Her body is bangin. But I just wasn't feelin it as much as I wanted too. Not all bad, a nice 18 year old freshman, just missing the mark a little. We still talk, but my plate is pretty full right now. Maybe next month. I need a little more lovin these days, like the emotional kind.[/QUOTE]I had a massage from this girl two months ago at international house.

[QUOTE=Hundred;3354708]I had a massage from this girl two months ago at international house.[/QUOTE]Really? I went there, and all I got were pancakes!

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Exchanged a couple of messages and then texts with this Latina from sylmar. Set up a M&G, she backed out because I wasn't going to pay for a M&G. But from every indication she can host, and isn't interested in developing a relationship beyond the money aspect. I'm sure one of you guys can come at her the right way cause she's a lock for the FC. Just I couldn't make it work. Offered $100, and she was down for that. Good luck.

[QUOTE=BearWithMe;3354967]Really? I went there, and all I got were pancakes![/QUOTE]I go to Dennys for pancakes.

I'm kind of new to the game on this website, but I decided to pull the trigger by purchasing a premium membership. As soon as I became a premium member, I was finally able to see the sugar babies pm's. I met up with this sb a few days ago at a public place and she did tell me that she was basically looking for a Captain Save-A-Hoe type of guy that will provide and take her out of the trap lifestyle of dancing at the local strip club. So I set up an arrangement a few days later and we both agreed to the $ donation and what I should expect for her service. When she arrived to meet me at my FC, she wanted the $ donation up front and proceeded to give me a HJ. I was board and disappointed with her actions and told her that I expected more from her. She then tells me that if I want more intimate services, then I would have to pay her an additional $$ I told her that we agreed to $ and the additional $$$ is not what we agreed on, so I ended the session with her and kicked her out of my place. She looks good on her photos, but she is about 60 lbs overweight in person and I felt that it was not worth giving her additional $$ But feel free to try her out if you don't believe me.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/5cfdc796-7275-4e00-b2ea-ff92d38b522a[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigBear818;3356116]I'm kind of new to the game on this website, but I decided to pull the trigger by purchasing a premium membership. As soon as I became a premium member, I was finally able to see the sugar babies pm's. I met up with this sb a few days ago at a public place and she did tell me that she was basically looking for a Captain Save-A-Hoe type of guy that will provide and take her out of the trap lifestyle of dancing at the local strip club. So I set up an arrangement a few days later and we both agreed to the $ donation and what I should expect for her service. When she arrived to meet me at my FC, she wanted the $ donation up front and proceeded to give me a HJ. I was board and disappointed with her actions and told her that I expected more from her. She then tells me that if I want more intimate services, then I would have to pay her an additional $$ I told her that we agreed to $ and the additional $$$ is not what we agreed on, so I ended the session with her and kicked her out of my place. She looks good on her photos, but she is about 60 lbs overweight in person and I felt that it was not worth giving her additional $$ But feel free to try her out if you don't believe me.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/5cfdc796-7275-4e00-b2ea-ff92d38b522a[/URL][/QUOTE]First off you got to know the difference between the sb and a sex worker. You could have picked this girl off of CL, BP or out of the club. Lots of sex workers are posting on SA now and because they have a profile up guys go crazy over the new sb. You got to make better choices or some guys are happy getting a recycled sex worker with a sb title.

I'm new to this but I have had an ok experience so far. I have tried to develop a rapport and treat all the ladies with respect. But some of them are all about the money. And for some reason think I'm automatically enamored with the idea of spending time with them. I set up a m&g with a AA girl yesterday in Downtown LA but turns out she flaked at the last moment. Had this happen a couple of times where I get to the point of a m&g with the understanding of $100 per meet up afterwards. But the girls never follow through. And I'm being very conscientious on which girls I contact. I'm trying to stay in my Lane and it's a good learning experience. Worth the one month subscription I signed up for.

It's eye opening seeing the unmitigated GPS that most basic girls have. Trust me, the girls I've contacted are no where near 9's or 10's. But still there's always a tinge of GPS present. I'm glad I decided to try this out because I'm​ learning a lot. And I am slowly reading through all the great info on the Richmond thread.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3356247]First off you got to know the difference between the sb and a sex worker. You could have picked this girl off of CL, BP or out of the club. Lots of sex workers are posting on SA now and because they have a profile up guys go crazy over the new sb. You got to make better choices or some guys are happy getting a recycled sex worker with a sb title.[/QUOTE]Very generally speaking girls from the west valley are going to be GPS unless they are students at CSN. And even then they won't be inexpensive but at least reasonable.

[QUOTE=ScConnoisseur3;3356915]I'm new to this but I have had an ok experience so far. I have tried to develop a rapport and treat all the ladies with respect. But some of them are all about the money. And for some reason think I'm automatically enamored with the idea of spending time with them. I set up a m&g with a AA girl yesterday in Downtown LA but turns out she flaked at the last moment. Had this happen a couple of times where I get to the point of a m&g with the understanding of $100 per meet up afterwards. But the girls never follow through. And I'm being very conscientious on which girls I contact. I'm trying to stay in my Lane and it's a good learning experience. Worth the one month subscription I signed up for.

It's eye opening seeing the unmitigated GPS that most basic girls have. Trust me, the girls I've contacted are no where near 9's or 10's. But still there's always a tinge of GPS present. I'm glad I decided to try this out because I'm​ learning a lot. And I am slowly reading through all the great info on the Richmond thread.[/QUOTE]I also don't know where you are trolling, but if you already have a broad impression that they ask for the moon, based on the many many you have contacted, maybe your approach is contributing to that. I never, ever talk $ other than in generality (like the SA lifestyle #s) until after meeting them. In my view, if a girl needs to have that $ in specificity, she's just an escort. She is quoting you a price to have sex with you sight unseen. If you are talking hard numbers online without ever having met her, she's going to ask you for top dollar, + - why wouldn't she? She is taking a big risk b / c she knows nothing about you, and if you go for it she scores. There is nothing in her equation about whether you might be someone she'd be interested in seeing. To cut these costs, you have to invest sweat equity. There's a huge amount of info on this on the Richmond thread, both the active one and the Highlights.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3357499]I also don't know where you are trolling, but if you already have a broad impression that they ask for the moon, based on the many many you have contacted, maybe your approach is contributing to that. I never, ever talk $ other than in generality (like the SA lifestyle #s) until after meeting them. In my view, if a girl needs to have that $ in specificity, she's just an escort. She is quoting you a price to have sex with you sight unseen. If you are talking hard numbers online without ever having met her, she's going to ask you for top dollar, + - why wouldn't she? She is taking a big risk b / c she knows nothing about you, and if you go for it she scores. There is nothing in her equation about whether you might be someone she'd be interested in seeing. To cut these costs, you have to invest sweat equity. There's a huge amount of info on this on the Richmond thread, both the active one and the Highlights.[/QUOTE]Sure, I've been using the Richmond thread highlights as a road map since the beginning. And I've never explicitly discussed sex for money on SA. I've just used it to frame where I stand and what my budget is.

Hey all. Fir those who come to OC to play, I know of a 18 year old NP who I met on one of the SB sites who is looking for others and have asked me to help. She will not do anal. Likes it a little rough. BJ for 80 and all for 140. Will only share photos of her with those who have a woman to share. She is in the FV area, PM me. The photo is just a preview.

She was very quick to tell me she needed $$$. Not my cup of tea.

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This girl is down for a $. Can't say exactly what for. Gave her my standard pitch. She wanted to do a M&G first. I,ll try to find a way to see her. Timing is good for anyone near santa ana or HB. I just can't get down to the OC right now.

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My new little girl looks damn cute in this pic.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;3361504]My new little girl looks damn cute in this pic.[/QUOTE]You have hit the jackpot once again.