"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Finally had a M&G with a long term email and text SB. I recall she's the only SB to refer to me as "Daddy" in every correspondence and every text. It's our first time meeting in person and I'm quite impressed. She's a 21 yr old spinner. Has no dating experience and her father is very strict. I'm trying to get insight on the daddy dynamic. It was our first night hanging out and she told me that this is her first real date. We only bar-hopped a bit tonight, but she explained she has a curfew. This girl is pretty damn sexy and I doubt there's any mileage on the pu $$why. I came across a gold-mine. Any advice on how to place this guys? Her hug and kiss for the night left a lot to the imagination.

I, like you, have found the young ones to be skittish and shy. Getting them to the m&g and beyond takes a lot of work, but often well worth the trouble.

My recommendation is to talk about the past great sd / sb relationships that you've cultivated, how those girls have benefited and how you are still friends with them to this day. Often times these young ladies want a guy with lots of experience, and if you can convince them with examples of how enjoyable the experience can be, many will be eager to please.

Once you establish trust, often times curiosity will get the better of the cat you are trying to tame. If she has limited dating and no SD experience, this is a pot that will likely be one to remember.

You have found a gold mine brother. Good luck in mining that gold!

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2513438]Finally had a M&G with a long term email and text SB. I recall she's the only SB to refer to me as "Daddy" in every correspondence and every text. It's our first time meeting in person and I'm quite impressed. She's a 21 yr old spinner. Has no dating experience and her father is very strict. I'm trying to get insight on the daddy dynamic. It was our first night hanging out and she told me that this is her first real date. We only bar-hopped a bit tonight, but she explained she has a curfew. This girl is pretty damn sexy and I doubt there's any mileage on the pu $$why. I came across a gold-mine. Any advice on how to place this guys? Her hug and kiss for the night left a lot to the imagination.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgowtoplayit?r;2513438]Finally had a M&G with a long term email and text SB. I recall she's the only SB to refer to me as "Daddy" in every correspondence and every text. It's our first time meeting in person and I'm quite impressed. She's a 21 yr old spinner. Has no dating experience and her father is very strict. I'm trying to get insight on the daddy dynamic. It was our first night hanging out and she told me that this is her first real date. We only bar-hopped a bit tonight, but she explained she has a curfew. This girl is pretty damn sexy and I doubt there's any mileage on the pu $$why. I came across a gold-mine. Any advice on how to place this guys? Her hug and kiss for the night left a lot to the imagination.[/QUOTE]Don't overthink it Hoya, just tell her the next date is at the FC -in delicate terms, and set up a romantic situation -a candle or two, etc. If she asks what you are going to do -tell her you can't wait to pleasure her.

Got a date #2 with my 23 yr old wf 7/8/7/7/ in an hour. 1st date was full on bare back but no CIV. Today I think we will CIV and hopefully get her a little more engaged in the process.

SB#2 has gone dark. I hope it is reversible because she could be my #1 She is verging on Nando 1 status though. 26 wf 7/8/9/9/. She was pretty into it and a spinner. She was full on CIV bareback. I committed the cardinal sin of Sugaring and advanced her some unanswered funds. My little head was thinking. It looks like she is larcenous. They spin a story and run I guess. Stupidly, they pass on a long term source of a lot of easy money to score a small victory. Go figure?

FM, I agree that a more direct approach might pay dividends. Based on my prior experience though, the direct approach has the potential to make a skittish SB go dark.

Not a big deal if she is not at the top of your list or on the bottom of the pots you're working.

In my experience, many of the new ones want to feel special. They have a fuzzy idea in their head of how this thing should go, but don't know the specifics. A SD has the potential to garner a lot of mileage by filling in those blanks and convincing the pot that he should be the one filling her.

Getting straight to the point is also effective, but the only concern there is the risk that the skittish pot might need a little more pruning before being pumped.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2513859]Don't overthink it Hoya, just tell her the next date is at the FC -in delicate terms, and set up a romantic situation -a candle or two, etc. If she asks what you are going to do -tell her you can't wait to pleasure her.

Got a date #2 with my 23 yr old wf 7/8/7/7/ in an hour. 1st date was full on bare back but no CIV. Today I think we will CIV and hopefully get her a little more engaged in the process.

SB#2 has gone dark. I hope it is reversible because she could be my #1 She is verging on Nando 1 status though. 26 wf 7/8/9/9/. She was pretty into it and a spinner. She was full on CIV bareback. I committed the cardinal sin of Sugaring and advanced her some unanswered funds. My little head was thinking. It looks like she is larcenous. They spin a story and run I guess. Stupidly, they pass on a long term source of a lot of easy money to score a small victory. Go figure?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2512326]Well, I did it.

I actually told this brand new girl as we were making out right before the bedroom that I need to be done and take her home, and I did. Dang, big head wins!

We just met tonight and she was so paranoid, lot of rules, a bit annoying.

I patiently worked through the rules and the allowance. Finally, we are kissing on the couch right before moving to the bedroom and my hands are deep in there. And she says "one last thing, I want to see the money", with her hand on my cock over the pants.

She wanted to see the money up-front and put it somewhere she can see.

I wasn't comfortable with that. So, I suggested a compromise where I show her the money so she knows I have it but keep it till the end.

She wasn't OK with that.

And I said, that's it, you have too many rules, this is supposed to be fun. This is not fun anymore. I am done, let me take you home. I showed my wallet with the money so knew I had the cash. I drove her home, what a fun ride.

Total cost = 0. Thinking with the big head = PRICELESS.

I had many dates and this is the first time this was a problem.

BIG HEAD WINS.

I am the boss. I make the rules.[/QUOTE]So similar to a situation I had about two weeks ago. At one point I had to stop and say "you sound like an escort" which she took personal, but my desire for her fizzled and I stopped it. No cost to me. I am the King.

Highlight at end was a free FC with a 22-year old nursing student at a prestigious area university and my alma mater. , who is totally into all the kinks I am, and is already asking about our next date.

Made up for a lousy start with a couple of semi-pro girls, a lunch date and drinks with a POT that ended up being pretty disappointing when she was aiming much higher than I had been previously led to believe (and who guilted me into some sugar thought I at least negotiated for some fun in the car in exchange), a couple of POTs that were promising but couldn't offer a place (I don't like arranging for FC because of paper trail), and a super promising meetup that got scuttled when she "forgot" to tell me that she was in a different city an hour away until the morning of the date. (My guess is she is a pro girl looking at the sum total of the exchange, and just bounces around the area.).

So right now I have two girls. One college and one law student. Both free, both my body type and kink type, and both totally insatiable.

I sent out some messages on SA in advance of an upcoming trip a month ago. I talked to a few girls but it twindle down to two prospects. One of the females a 20 year old. I sent her a message the same day she joined, sent messages back and forth via SA within a 5 day period. She stated this was all new to her and she wanted to feel comfortable before giving out her phone number. Within a week she was gone, her reason being that she was creeped out. She was like a lot of crazies are on that site and she felt totally uncomfortable talking to them. She deleted her account. The good part about it was that I managed to get her email and sent her a few pictures and eventually she give me her number. The bad part is she was totally spook out, but we kept on talking through text messages. Things went slowly with this one, I didn't get to meet her but we still talk. I know this one will take some time but I feel the reward will be great. A true non pro first timer, her expectations are low on the financial end and she's beautiful. Nothing is expected until we actually meet. She's not looking to take someone's money because she employed. A mentor someone to provide advice and guidance. Someone she could talk to whose going to be there for her no matter what. And all she wants is help with minor expenses. Those were her words in a nutshell. I'll keep this one going, I'm trying to get her as comfortable as possible before making my next trip to the area.

Special thanks to TravelingSd, he provided some good advice in response to a message that posted a while ago. On what to look for on the females profiles to increase the chances of success for someone whose traveling to an area with limited time. I ended up talking to this female for about three weeks prior to my trip daily communication via texting. So she felt real comfortable with me, she was like I feel like I've known you for a long time. I try to stick to one of my stronger points, which is good conversation. When I arrived she came directly to me. We talked for a while, eventually I went in for the kiss and her clothes was off within a few minutes. I put on my rain coat and we went at it. Afterwards we just laid in bed and talk for a while before she left. Non exchange of funds, however a few days later she did mention having a traffic ticket that I took care of for her. We met up again before I left. When I arrive back home, I got message stating how much she enjoyed her time with me and the next time I'm in town she wanted to please me. We still communicate via texting and talking. Mainly for advice and things she may want to talk about.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2515418]So similar to a situation I had about two weeks ago. At one point I had to stop and say "you sound like an escort" which she took personal, but my desire for her fizzled and I stopped it. No cost to me. I am the King.[/QUOTE]The golden rule: He with the Gold rules.

Happy Guy 2.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2510117]Send her my way. LOL.[/QUOTE]With your health issues and any other obstacles you run in to. I have followed your exploits and even took a stab at trying my hand (unsuccessfully) by following your methods.

Seems I simply do not have the patients to wear them down. Stay safe and enjoy the fruits of your labor. Ragtop66.

[QUOTE=RagTop66;2516015]With your health issues and any other obstacles you run in to. I have followed your exploits and even took a stab at trying my hand (unsuccessfully) by following your methods.

Seems I simply do not have the patients to wear them down. Stay safe and enjoy the fruits of your labor. Ragtop66.[/QUOTE]At the moment, I am on crutches. Some kind of sciatica or something. Not sure yet.

I'm pretty livid right now. I had plans to meet up with the hottest sugar baby that I have ever seen on the site and then she sends me a text that said I forgot today was fathers day and went radio silent. Argggggg! I had a backup plan with another sb who was willing to go bareback, but I'm so mad that I cancelled my date with her.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2516037]At the moment, I am on crutches. Some kind of sciatica or something. Not sure yet.[/QUOTE]We know how you threw your back out -but what a way to do it! Get well soon. Your ladies will just have to do all the work.

[QUOTE=Donwhite;2516366]I'm pretty livid right now. I had plans to meet up with the hottest sugar baby that I have ever seen on the site and then she sends me a text that said I forgot today was fathers day and went radio silent. Argggggg! I had a backup plan with another sb who was willing to go bareback, but I'm so mad that I cancelled my date with her.[/QUOTE]C'Mon. Don -you passed on a FC opportunity just because a spoiled child doesn't think you are her Daddy? Never go home with a dry stick Brother!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2516507]C'Mon. Don -you passed on a FC opportunity just because a spoiled child doesn't think you are her Daddy? Never go home with a dry stick Brother![/QUOTE]I know, but the girl who flaked on me was pro sports player wife hot.

Both my big and little head would have told me to bang the backup. I rarely relay my anger if a pot flakes, but in this instance if I were that pissed, I would have probably taken a money shot pic with the backup SB, with her allowance on the bed (purposely in $20 and $10 bills to make it look like more money) and then would've texted the pic to the one that flaked.

But at the end of the day these girls flake all the time. For the really hot ones, its almost like a game they enjoy playing. Nothing to get upset about. Remember, that's why you had a backup.

[QUOTE=Donwhite;2516366]I'm pretty livid right now. I had plans to meet up with the hottest sugar baby that I have ever seen on the site and then she sends me a text that said I forgot today was fathers day and went radio silent. Argggggg! I had a backup plan with another sb who was willing to go bareback, but I'm so mad that I cancelled my date with her.[/QUOTE]