Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=DarkClouds;6951135]I will say that most of them (actually all of them) change their behavior depending on what's in front of them. So, if they sense that you're a pushover or inexperienced, then they will definitely try to take advantage. It's really no different from parenting. There's a lot you can sense from the interaction before you even decide to meet. And then how you structure the meeting has a lot to do with success or failure of the meeting. I've been through my set of bad experiences and have the scars to prove it. Any monger on this forum who talks down to you and suggests that it was your fault is just being arrogant. Anyone who has mongered has had both good and bad experiences. Experience does matter. That's how you learn. You're not at an Apple store at the mall where everyone gets the same deal. This is the unregulated world. You have to fend for yourself. Finally, not everyone is cut out for this. So, sometimes you have to come to terms with your limitations and quit this lifestyle and choose a different path like a relationship with one trusted person. But even then, as we know, how well do you ever really know the person you're with? Life isn't easy.[/QUOTE]I think dudes are being to hard on him though, you take an L and move on and don't let it happen again, that's my philosophy.

I have been lined up before and I never let it happen again.

that being said, what your saying is straight facts

It's not that simple. It's more nuanced than that. She was already in the room and threatening to scream and frame him and what not. There are many other precautions that should have been taken. If he had met her at a public setting first (or at least in the parking lot), he could have seen the vibe. Most scammers will not smile and will not be friendly because they are scheming inside. Also, he would have noticed that she has a driver. These are things you learn from experience. If they seem in a rush or overly aggressive, you should just make an excuse and bail. Never make it obvious that you're bailing because the true scammers will just double up on you and chase you to your car. You have to find a way to dodge them and make your escape. No one is born with these instincts. I'm sure you've been scammed a few times, although I doubt you will ever admit it because you like to pose here as mister know it all.

[QUOTE=AcknowledgeMe;6951235]You don't give money upfront to anyone and then this doesn't happen. Not hard stuff.[/QUOTE]

Karma is a *****, hoping she meet it soon.

[QUOTE=Np36781;6951152]She said she lives in Randolph.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KangTheMonger;6951697]I think dudes are being to hard on him though, you take an L and move on and don't let it happen again, that's my philosophy.

I have been lined up before and I never let it happen again.

that being said, what your saying is straight facts[/QUOTE]Yes. Let's not be so hard on people willing to report or they won't do it. It's great to get the intel. Would be better to give people advice on what they could do to avoid it happening again not slam them.

[QUOTE=Bran2025;6951522]I will also add that this is a "numbers game" meaning statistically speaking, if you meet enough people, you'll meet some bad ones.

Now as DC says, there are many things you can do to improve your odds -- things that help weed out the scammers and worse before you meet them. But in the end. . . It can still happen despite objectively doing everything "right. ".

I never, ever, meet someone from Seeking for the first time in a hotel room. Never. It's not just risk reduction, it's also about the "type" I seek.[/QUOTE]Bran, like DC, comments wise and admirably from the standpoint of it is a "numbers game", a very important thesis in this game. Don't place too much importance on any one event. In the long term it should render a bell curve of sorts. Two extreme ends with most lying in the middle as good providers. I don't think that Seeking girls and hotels are a good match. It indicates the "type" of girl, the type of arrangement, moreover. Not promising IMO. Just as charging for meet and greets. The arrangement set up can inform you about the girl and her desirability. M & Gs are an immediate non starter, easy peasy, as it shows entitlement and poor form.

Do the best you can. Sometimes the only way to learn is to get burned, and not just once. Try to apply what you've learned, try to use your big head a little more a la DC.

Quitting? Sometimes you quit mongering, sometimes it quits you when you can see its negatives from an objective vantage point, and you enjoy a break from it with a non pro.

We are fortunate to not suffer celibacy as a life sentence.

I get why many don't pay up front even though I did and believe it is the right thing to do. Looking back, it was the outlying cases when I got burned. Long game.

I don't review girls but some of the sagest voices here warrant recognition.

Sorry for having bothered some of you.

[QUOTE=AcknowledgeMe;6951235]You don't give money upfront to anyone and then this doesn't happen. Not hard stuff.[/QUOTE]The crux of the matter with the reported situation was not that he 'gave money upfront. ' The problem was that he met up with a criminal scammer / robber in a venue where he could be robbed somewhat easily.

If better pre-screening could have weeded her out entirely and he'd never met her, that would have mitigated the risk entirely. Without reading the chat logs we don't know if he ignored red flags, etc.

If a meet and greet outside of a hotel room could have weeded her out such that they'd never get to a room, we'll never know that either. Our experiences tell us it well could have, although some of these criminals / scammers are quite good and can fake it there.

But his fate was sealed before the hotel room closed with the 2 of them inside of it; that's for sure.

Thanks for kind words. I posted this so people are aware of these bad actors. I'm not upset about harsh words. I'm going to learn from these experiences. I've had so many more successful connections than failures on SA. It is a numbers game for sure.

[QUOTE=DarkClouds;6951135]I will say that most of them (actually all of them) change their behavior depending on what's in front of them. So, if they sense that you're a pushover or inexperienced, then they will definitely try to take advantage. It's really no different from parenting. There's a lot you can sense from the interaction before you even decide to meet. And then how you structure the meeting has a lot to do with success or failure of the meeting. I've been through my set of bad experiences and have the scars to prove it. Any monger on this forum who talks down to you and suggests that it was your fault is just being arrogant. Anyone who has mongered has had both good and bad experiences. Experience does matter. That's how you learn. You're not at an Apple store at the mall where everyone gets the same deal. This is the unregulated world. You have to fend for yourself. Finally, not everyone is cut out for this. So, sometimes you have to come to terms with your limitations and quit this lifestyle and choose a different path like a relationship with one trusted person. But even then, as we know, how well do you ever really know the person you're with? Life isn't easy.[/QUOTE]

Another one that deserves full membership in the hall of shame.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c053407c-3bc2-4e1e-9161-9da2aa70843a[/URL]

[QUOTE=DarkClouds;6930413]I'm starting a hall of shame thread. Not going to share the goodies publicly (it creates an overwhelming situation for the goodies and ruins a good thing) but I've shared privately with many of you. However, the duds ought to be shared widely. Again, I'm not talking about online scammers and such, of which there are too many to list and they are dead easy to identify. The ones I'm posting are real ladies who will meet up with you. They just aren't worth your time though for various reasons. I won't post separately in each forum so I'm just going to piggy back on this thread to share duds from across New England as I find them and remember to post them here. Also, I won't provide any commentary, take it or leave it. If you are really curious, feel free to message me. I'll start with this one. Many more to come.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c7b6adf9-62ea-4271-b2eb-74d3099aa403[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DarkClouds;6952735]Another one that deserves full membership in the hall of shame.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c053407c-3bc2-4e1e-9161-9da2aa70843a[/URL][/QUOTE]What did she do?

Think many of you maybe aware of Kay from the Escort thread, and she has reviews on the oThER site as well. Had seen her a couple of times, before she started raising the prices. She is an amazing lay, really gets into it and allows BBFSCIP.

Saw her profile on seeking, and thought I will hit her up for fun and see what she is quoting on seeking. After 4 or 5 messages, she moves to texts and quotes me 700 for an hour. Even after negotiating, she would not budge below 600. Seriously, wondering if people on Seeking pay 600 and up for an hour with her.

Anyways, found it hilarious how STG posters and escorts quote insane amounts on seeking.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ef586394-1d6e-449a-a7d9-95fb0f311d8a[/URL]

Yes I discovered her Seeking profile the other day by accident because she is paired up with a girl I've seen before and happened to be chatting with. The friend quoted the same amount (700 each) to do a double date. Quite incredible the fantasy world they live in even though I believe they are both homeless now. Kay's friend usually also has GPS so they make a good pair, although I saw the friend for a lot less after going back and forth with her for almost a year. And she was barely worth it.

[QUOTE=Sasuke9015;6952985]Think many of you maybe aware of Kay from the Escort thread, and she has reviews on the oThER site as well. Had seen her a couple of times, before she started raising the prices. She is an amazing lay, really gets into it and allows BBFSCIP.

Saw her profile on seeking, and thought I will hit her up for fun and see what she is quoting on seeking. After 4 or 5 messages, she moves to texts and quotes me 700 for an hour. Even after negotiating, she would not budge below 600. Seriously, wondering if people on Seeking pay 600 and up for an hour with her.

Anyways, found it hilarious how STG posters and escorts quote insane amounts on seeking.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ef586394-1d6e-449a-a7d9-95fb0f311d8a[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DarkClouds;6953000]Yes I discovered her Seeking profile the other day by accident because she is paired up with a girl I've seen before and happened to be chatting with. The friend quoted the same amount (700 each) to do a double date. Quite incredible the fantasy world they live in even though I believe they are both homeless now. Kay's friend usually also has GPS so they make a good pair, although I saw the friend for a lot less after going back and forth with her for almost a year. And she was barely worth it.[/QUOTE]I hope no one is actually going to come anywhere close to that. She must still be figuring out the pricing on seeking. I think she'd be lucky to get 200. It's possible to find non-pro girls in their 20's for 300-400 with some work.

[QUOTE=Sasuke9015;6952985]Think many of you maybe aware of Kay from the Escort thread, and she has reviews on the oThER site as well. Had seen her a couple of times, before she started raising the prices. She is an amazing lay, really gets into it and allows BBFSCIP.

Saw her profile on seeking, and thought I will hit her up for fun and see what she is quoting on seeking. After 4 or 5 messages, she moves to texts and quotes me 700 for an hour. Even after negotiating, she would not budge below 600. Seriously, wondering if people on Seeking pay 600 and up for an hour with her.

Anyways, found it hilarious how STG posters and escorts quote insane amounts on seeking.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ef586394-1d6e-449a-a7d9-95fb0f311d8a[/URL][/QUOTE]She could pay me $600 and I would still not want to see her.

Why a basic Google search is a must. Two ladies on SA that I was messaging with occasionally. One redhead that from the S pics is def. My type (redhead) and another who seemed a good potential (single mom; free daytimes only). Both have numbers linked to escort ads. No sex work shaming from me, but given profile content and the chat, it was a bit surprising! Ya never know!

Oasis in the City -- NC number and old escort ad. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d143e1a9-f6c3-4170-a1d3-84ead2968183[/URL]

Ginger -- Local number and it pops up in an ad in a review site but nowhere else. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/574f7221-1895-4a12-90d2-1f5bfa0ceb9d[/URL]

Unusual for SA -- her profile says she "escorts. " Her pics don't look like escort ad pics. Does she actually escort around here?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/84bf2ef5-cfbf-4f44-a4df-2763f2827038[/URL]