What I learned from Gentleman 100's Links
[QUOTE=Gentleman100;3916750]Be safe everyone.
Seattle Times (2016): [URL]https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/seattle-pd-arrests-155-men-in-massage-parlor-sting-operation/[/URL].[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gentleman100;3916913]
Be safe out there.
[URL]https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Police-arrest-139-at-bogus-brothel-12310203.php[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks to Gentleman 100, we have two good published articles.
The Seattle article seems most relevant to me. It clearly said that the women were offering specific sex acts for specific amounts of money. If the customer accepted the price and services, the customer was arrested. I had believed that that practice would be grounds for dismissal in a court case. It also seems that the business transitioned from Asian providers to Caucasian providers.
In the future, I'll stick with the Asian places where the girls have a thick accent and it is difficult to understand what they are saying. I also won't negotiate specific prices for specific services, even if she gives me the price list. In that case, my big head will tell my feet to start walking out the door, but the little head just might overrule the big head.
The Seattle and Houston sting operation thingys.
Brothers, relax and take a deep breath.
These stings were in 2016 and 2017. Both were setup by the police after the existing AMPs shut down (the reason for the shutdown is immaterial), and then reopened them "under new management" or whatever horseshit slogan they used. It should have set off all kind of alarms in a brother's big head. Both police departments also used Backpage to attract customers. It's likely that those customers were many of the same ones that used the old AMPs, and were happy read they were open again, and assumed that they were the same, but "better," or New and Improved! You can't fix stupid.
Now, none of the arrests at these AMPs were because of a raid. Both were sting operations. That means that customers voluntarily and happily visited to be arrested, and the police kindly obliged. Customers undoubtedly said the wrong thing, answered one of the test questions incorrectly, and / or grabbed a handful of passion fruit, and got busted. Old habits die hard when one is in what they falsely believe to be familiar surroundings. They were not familiar, they were new. Complacency is to brothers like Kryptonite is to Superman. Both should always be avoided.
Lesson one? Never forget the rules regarding what you answer and what you ask. Be wary of new AMPs that open, especially when at or near, where an existing one was shut down or recently closed. A new AMP in a new area should also be approached cautiously. Those are exploratory, low level missions with a report of findings here on USASG.
If an AMP is getting to be too much of a problem child, LE knows that if enough outside pressure is applied, AMPs will pick up and move to where there is less pressure, no raids or arrests needed. It's cheaper, faster and more cost effective to do that than raid a place, where even if convicted, probation is more likely than jail time. If LE wants an AMP to move out of the area, they can do that by just keeping a marked unit presence nearby and visible, causing a drop in business. No business can exist for very long without a steady stream of customers. Raids are unlikely, but cutting the flow of customers at a nuisance business that is a shady operation, is doable, easy, fast, and relatively inexpensive. After a few weeks of a trickle or no customers, it's time to move on.
Lesson two? Both of those stings used Backpage to advertise. What's one of the most common complaints we read on here? Where are the service providers advertising now! Brothers, if we can't figure that out, don't expect LE to do that either. They always go for the lowest hanging fruit on the tree. By getting Craigslist and Backpage shut down, they also effectively reduced their ability to run their own sting operations. Again, you can't fix stupid.
If there is by some cruel act of the universe, a raid and you happen to be there, say nothing but that you visited to get a massage. Nothing else. You've committed no crime they can prove, and getting a massage is not a crime. While it's possible an undercover LEO visited at an earlier time and is there to arrest a provider, which would be the only reason for a raid as they can't prove customers were committing crimes, they have no charges on you if you don't confess. You have the right to remain silent. Use it. If there is a raid, you will have to give your name, etc, because you are a "witness" or non-involved party, but you're not going to be arrested unless you proclaim "I paid for sex!" Regardless, the chance of a raid is probably less than getting hit by lightning in Florida. It's more likely LE will just keep a marked unit parked across the street, on the median, or on the sidewalk (because they can do that), to drive customers away if they want shut down the AMP.
All these AMPs have good security cameras with good coverage outside. They will see "it" coming if it happens. If it does, the providers will be in their scrubs uniform in under 30 seconds, remove any wrapper, tell you to get on your tummy, drape a towel across your ass, tell you to shut up, then be working the large muscle groups when the door flies open. The dream doesn't have to be a nightmare if one stays cool. Those news stories are what LE mainly uses to keep brothers wary, as they have neither the time, money, or resources to do stings on a regular basis, especially the the penalties are so light, and Craigslist and Backpage are gone.
"That's the rest of the story" as Paul Harvey would say.
Fun Facts to Know and Tell
[QUOTE=RossJames;3917187]Despite having indulged in the pleasures of our hobby for many years both here and abroad I had never until recently had any significant negative experiences.
This all changed when earlier this year I noticed some small white spots on the head of my penis.
Long story short these were HPV warts and the results of BBBJ at GG. How do I know this for sure. Well despite using OB where the girls use covers this is the only service where I have indulged in uncovered sex.
The spots developed into small mushroom like growths which have resulted in laser surgery. I had a session a month ago and have another shortly. The surgery cost c $1000 per shot.
Now it may be that I was particularly open to these infections and others may be able to indulge with no consequences, but please be aware that this is entirely possible. S.
Ping me if you require more info.
Stay safe RJ.[/QUOTE]Here's "more info": Factually speaking, "[B]70% of Americans Are Infected with HPV[/B]. ".
[URL]https://www.livescience.com/45737-hpv-infection-prevalence.html[/URL]
More granular statistics are described in the article, such as infection percentage of various strains, etc. , but, generally speaking, this would seem to indicated that, unless GG is the ONLY place one's genitals come in direct contact with human skin of another individual, the odds are actually higher that any infection could have come from someplace else, or at least just as easily as from a single session at GG. Not disputing the cautionary warning of the activity described above, but also consider spreading that warning to at least 70% of all physical contact everywhere. Knowledge is power, and a little knowledge can be a little dangerous.
WBS License Check - Are You Sure?
[QUOTE=DrPeeper;3919730]Was dreaming of hitting a local (to me) spot but knew I wouldn't get anywhere near the fun time that could be had. SO why not drive 15-20 min further and check out this place. Parked in back, kinda strolled around to scope out the place and allow another patron to leave. Walked in, and paid for 45 min (which was the main reason I dremt of going here) I won't go to far into specifics, but same general experience as BO and GG. Sugar was her name. Fun time, and halfway decent massage. Lucky for me we were done and cleaning up when there was a license check. I walk out the front, nodded to the guy at the computer and saw two cruisers, luckily I did park in back or I would have been boxed in. Defiantly a stressfull situation.
Middle of the day on a weekday so not very busy.
Standard tip for the top tier (LOL).[/QUOTE]Inspections are done annually by the Florida Department of Health (per F. S. 480.043). Since WBS is so new, they already had their annual inspection. There never is law enforcement unless someone is being arrested.
Did you see any therapist in handcuffs or doing the perp walk? Osceola County has always been a "dry" county, so it might have been a raid. Possibly a nosy neighbor did not like the large amount of people visiting and complained. Or maybe Kissimmee Police Chief Jeff O'Dell is cracking down on Kissimmee's "nuisance" businesses.
If it was a raid, that is sad. If they stay open, they will be cautious and probably be 100% legit (at least for a while).
Be safe.
