"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Nice499;2506347]I'm trading posts with a SB who claims she doesn't want a financial arrangement. She is young and very attractive. She is saying all the right things to make me believe it will be a sexual relationship. She wants to meet on Monday. This all seems too good to be true to me. Pretty young lady who posted on a SD website but wants to have a relationship with this old man for free. Have any of you found yourself in a situation like this?

Call me crazy but I kinda prefer a financial arrangement. At least it sets pretty clear boundaries for an arrangement.[/QUOTE]It's not very common, but this type does exist. "No financial arrangement" shouldn't be mistaken for "free" though. This type of SB will probably expect to be taken out to expensive / upscale restaurants, or on shopping trips, or on vacations (or all of the above). My current main SB (going on 8 month) falls into this category, so I'd say this is my favorite type. It's a lot more fun for me to go shopping with her occasionally and buy her around 100-300 worth of things she wants (usually art supplies or clothes) versus just handing her the cash. I don't know if there's such a thing as a shopping fetish, but if there is, she has it. She definitely gets more than a little excited while shopping, which is always a lot of fun after we get back.

[QUOTE=BlueFalcon123;2505738]Well, location is Richmond, VA. Small fun city with one major-sized college.
This college has about 30 K students, let's say 15 K are female students. If you search by age (18-26), you get a result of 900 potential SBs. That's just 6% of the female student population. That number is nowhere near any major city like Los Angeles or New York.
[/QUOTE]Well one thing to keep in mind is that not all SBs are college students, so that doesn't mean 6% of female VCU students have their pie on the buffet, and larger percentage numbers would more likely indicate a larger number of "non-academically affiliated freelancers", because ultimately it's just a representation of the ratio of female gold-diggers to population of local colleges.

There are certain cities you're going to see spikes of SBs in: LA, NYC, Vegas, Miami, etc. , but the reason for those spikes has little with textbooks, student loans and the pythagorean theorem.

It's because those are all hugely populated "dreamer-towns". They are notorious for luring young ladies to them with stars in their eyes, dreams of fame and riches, and so forth. And, because those towns are both magnets for dreamers, and simultaneously the city itself is a dream-crushing factory, they end up with a surplus of struggling damsel in distress type. High cost of living, higher lifestyle expectation, yet no where to go for a want to-be except waiting tables or fucking for dollars.

That's not to say that VCU doesn't account for a large portion of the SB population (I'm sure it does). I just wouldn't compare it to other cities for meaningful conclusions. I personally find things differ greatly in different markets, and that the results and type of girls you find in one, as well as their attitudes and motivations, do not necessarily carry over to another city. That's been my experience, at least.

I lost count, but I must have about 7 babies / pot in play right now. This is so much fun. I feel a bit of an addiction starting, or just getting deeper in the present addiction. I'm getting texts left and right while setting up days and times and negotiating. Out of all of them I have this extreme hankering for one 22 year old I'm meeting tomorrow. 8/9. The others are nice too, but something about this one with her looks and personality. Maybe I'm sensing she is kind of green in the sex department and needs teaching, also she is new to the site. I can't entirely put my finger on it, but I want to pound that pussy like there is no tomorrow.

Living in one of the richest states in the country, I have to deal with this a lot.

This is a typical SA response to my Step 1 from HWG's guide.

[B][I]"Ok 10,000 is my expectation and 1,000 per week will be good for me"[/I][/B]

I don't want to even waste time with this, but considering it's a lazy Sunday afternoon, I want to have some fun with it.

What is a good response to this? Taking any, and all, suggestions.

Smoke.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2507534]Living in one of the richest states in the country, I have to deal with this a lot.

This is a typical SA response to my Step 1 from HWG's guide.

[B][I]"Ok 10,000 is my expectation and 1,000 per week will be good for me"[/I][/B]

I don't want to even waste time with this, but considering it's a lazy Sunday afternoon, I want to have some fun with it.

What is a good response to this? Taking any, and all, suggestions.

Smoke.[/QUOTE]Tell her you will pay her 6000 Rupees / week with a 10,000 R sign on bonus.

Speaking of Indians ,anyone have any success with lovely ladies from that country ? Or is their culture not amenable to this type of seditious behavior ?

It's been a while since I've posted in this forum but I've been very active in the sugar world. I've been taking the advise of some of the more experienced players and trying to lower my cost per pop. I've overpaid a bit in the past and I appreciate this forums sage advise.

Anyway, I travel to a mid size midwestern city quite a bit and since I'm in a hotel anyway and on an expense account I use it as an opportunity to jump in the sugar pool. Every time I go out I find a new friend. Sometimes it's just a dinner date with a college cutie, sometimes it's an all night romp with a cougar. This time I was working a 19 yo mom.

She listed "substantial" on her profile but I figured giving it a shot couldn't hurt to give it a shot. We went back and forth for a few hours via text and you could tell she was very new to this. We settled on she would come to visit my hotel and we would order some room service drinks because she couldn't order at the bar. A couple hours prior she asked if she could bring her friend because she was a little nervous having not met anyone before. Of course I said "sure" is she looking for an arrangement also. That was answered affirmatively followed by "she won't do anything sexual". Yea right.

A bit before I sent a cab to pick them up (neither drove) the subject of an allowance was brought up to which I gave my standard sugar for sugar answer but told her they were welcome for drinks and if more happened sugar would flow. Some back and forth ensued and I committed to $100 if there was some making out and such and if anything more happened than I'd show my appreciation.

When they arrived I was greeted by 2 bubbly teens ready to have fun. I took the liberty of finding out their favorite drinks and had bottles, mixers, and ice all ready to go. It didn't take long to start making out with the original one, slightly longer to get them both topless, and only a few minutes after that until we all were making out together. Have to say it was pretty much of a shit show.

As things progressed and more clothes hit the floor I found out what "no sexual stuff means" apparently neither of them fuck on the first date but I guess oral sex doesn't count as sex. Had the 2 of them licking each other then taking turns on me. Unfortunately didn't last too long with all the excitement but fun times were had.

As they departed the room for the Uber ride home we kissed a the door and I put $150 in the ring leaders hand. She smiled and thanked me and they went on their way. Got a text from her right after the cab pickup thanking me for being so generous and how they can't wait to do it again next time I'm in town.

I love this game.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2507534]Living in one of the richest states in the country, I have to deal with this a lot.

This is a typical SA response to my Step 1 from HWG's guide.

[B][I]"Ok 10,000 is my expectation and 1,000 per week will be good for me"[/I][/B]

I don't want to even waste time with this, but considering it's a lazy Sunday afternoon, I want to have some fun with it.

What is a good response to this? Taking any, and all, suggestions.

Smoke.[/QUOTE]Below is a reply I sent to a GPS recently regarding what she is looking for in her profile. I don't usually waste my time, but one day I felt compelled to waste my time.

"I don't want sex but give me money and open my business for me. BUUUUHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA".

And she further stated in her profile " Important: will only meet if you are background checked if you are not I will you have something to hide".

MyHobby that is an excellent encounter. Congratulations.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2507534]Living in one of the richest states in the country, I have to deal with this a lot.

This is a typical SA response to my Step 1 from HWG's guide.

[B][I]"Ok 10,000 is my expectation and 1,000 per week will be good for me"[/I][/B]

I don't want to even waste time with this, but considering it's a lazy Sunday afternoon, I want to have some fun with it.

What is a good response to this? Taking any, and all, suggestions.

Smoke.[/QUOTE]I never burn a bridge by being too smart-ass with someone with GPS. I use a modified version of an earlier answer by HWG. Here is a recent sample to a woman asking $500/ date:

"This is to follow up on my conversation from this morning. First, I think it should be mandatory to have a lunch or coffee meeting before reaching any final agreement. Some of the women here I might pay $500/ week; others I would not date for free. I am sure you feel the same about the men. Since personal chemistry is such a big part of that equation, I need some conversation in person before making a commitment. If we don't sparkle, it won't work for me regardless of what is offered.

Second, one of my rules is to never offer allowance amounts by text or even in a phone conversation. There are risks for both sides in doing so.

I'm sure you will get offers of $200 to $300 to $500 a date (maybe even lots of them). And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for a woman to keep seeing me for a $100 to $200 a date she has to like me. At higher amounts, I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?

Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar, that won't be me. But if you're willing to take less to be with a more sophisticated, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. I typically offer between $100 and $200 a week with the higher amount going to women who trust me enough to host at their place. What do you think? Is there room for us to form an arrangement?

Thoughts?

BAM.

With a lot of thought put into it. Thanks for sharing I think I will steal shamelessly!

I know I have had SB accept less from me than others as they enjoyed the company. It's real!

[QUOTE=BradAM;2509013]I never burn a bridge by being too smart-ass with someone with GPS. I use a modified version of an earlier answer by HWG. Here is a recent sample to a woman asking $500/ date:

"This is to follow up on my conversation from this morning. First, I think it should be mandatory to have a lunch or coffee meeting before reaching any final agreement. Some of the women here I might pay $500/ week; others I would not date for free. I am sure you feel the same about the men. Since personal chemistry is such a big part of that equation, I need some conversation in person before making a commitment. If we don't sparkle, it won't work for me regardless of what is offered.

Second, one of my rules is to never offer allowance amounts by text or even in a phone conversation. There are risks for both sides in doing so.

I'm sure you will get offers of $200 to $300 to $500 a date (maybe even lots of them). And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for a woman to keep seeing me for a $100 to $200 a date she has to like me. At higher amounts, I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?

Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar, that won't be me. But if you're willing to take less to be with a more sophisticated, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. I typically offer between $100 and $200 a week with the higher amount going to women who trust me enough to host at their place. What do you think? Is there room for us to form an arrangement?

Thoughts?

BAM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BradAM;2509013]I never burn a bridge by being too smart-ass with someone with GPS. I use a modified version of an earlier answer by HWG. Here is a recent sample to a woman asking $500/ date:

"This is to follow up on my conversation from this morning. First, I think it should be mandatory to have a lunch or coffee meeting before reaching any final agreement. Some of the women here I might pay $500/ week; others I would not date for free. I am sure you feel the same about the men. Since personal chemistry is such a big part of that equation, I need some conversation in person before making a commitment. If we don't sparkle, it won't work for me regardless of what is offered.

Second, one of my rules is to never offer allowance amounts by text or even in a phone conversation. There are risks for both sides in doing so.

I'm sure you will get offers of $200 to $300 to $500 a date (maybe even lots of them). And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for a woman to keep seeing me for a $100 to $200 a date she has to like me. At higher amounts, I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?

Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar, that won't be me. But if you're willing to take less to be with a more sophisticated, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. I typically offer between $100 and $200 a week with the higher amount going to women who trust me enough to host at their place. What do you think? Is there room for us to form an arrangement?

Thoughts?

BAM.[/QUOTE]Copied and saved. LOL.

[QUOTE=BradAM;2509013]I never burn a bridge by being too smart-ass with someone with GPS. I use a modified version of an earlier answer by HWG. Here is a recent sample to a woman asking $500/ date:

"This is to follow up on my conversation from this morning. First, I think it should be mandatory to have a lunch or coffee meeting before reaching any final agreement. Some of the women here I might pay $500/ week; others I would not date for free. I am sure you feel the same about the men. Since personal chemistry is such a big part of that equation, I need some conversation in person before making a commitment. If we don't sparkle, it won't work for me regardless of what is offered.

Second, one of my rules is to never offer allowance amounts by text or even in a phone conversation. There are risks for both sides in doing so.

I'm sure you will get offers of $200 to $300 to $500 a date (maybe even lots of them). And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for a woman to keep seeing me for a $100 to $200 a date she has to like me. At higher amounts, I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?

Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar, that won't be me. But if you're willing to take less to be with a more sophisticated, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. I typically offer between $100 and $200 a week with the higher amount going to women who trust me enough to host at their place. What do you think? Is there room for us to form an arrangement?

Thoughts?

BAM.[/QUOTE]Dude. You should give credit where credit is due. That's HWG's shit.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2509273]Dude. You should give credit where credit is due. That's HWG's shit.[/QUOTE]I think he does in the first sentence Mike.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2509273]Dude. You should give credit where credit is due. That's HWG's shit.[/QUOTE]If you read the first paragraph, you will find the following:

[QUOTE] I use a modified version of an earlier answer by HWG. [/QUOTE]BAM.

First off the crazy SB:

I'd been seeing this girl off and on and was a bit horny and called her up. I soon realized why I don't reach out to her for a hookup. She's money hungry. She works full-time, but her pay only covers living expenses. I'm not a fan of the desperate SB. It's not a good vibe. We're at my place and the FC is a possibility, but midway I'm no longer interested. I tone things down a bit and the conversation leads towards sugar. It wasn't the best communication I've had before, but I told her something to the the effect that I'm not interested in exchanging sugar for anything that she could provide. I tell her we'd be better off just friends. She felt insulted and then became enraged. I prayed she'd leave without tearing my shit up. She eventually asked for me to pay for her taxi home. I paid extra. It was more like paying her to leave. Cute girl, but the one thing that sealed the deal for me was an odor coming from her cooch while she was trying to seduce me.

Freaky SB:

I like this girl a lot. The sex is super XXX-rated. She comes whenever I call. She's very eager to please. She balks at my $. 20 allowance, but for so long she was my free SB $0. I made the decision to pay her out, because each time after a freebie she'd call me a few days later with some type of need. Eventually she tells me she wants a regular allowance. I like her, but she not the type of girl you can take out in public. She's an art student and very fashion forward. There's times we've gone out and it's absolutely embarassing. One time she wore a pair of shorts, which looked more like denim panties. It's totally not my style, but this girl cums at the drop of a dime and gives the wettest, sloppiest BBBJ ever. She wants LTR, but she's a lot to put up with. She's being removed from my rotation. 5'11", thin, face is a 10, body 9, skills 10 - very immature though.

Nerdy broke SB:

I like this girl she's smart, but I sensed a mean street. She appreciates the per date $. 20 allowance, but she desperate for cash. She has one of those fancy liberal arts degrees and has a job that pays at the poverty level. She also has a boyfriend as well. We had FC a few times and it's good, but not great. She's cute and is a good girl for the most part. She wanted to know why I'm not forking over serious cash for her. I didn't break it down, but these girls have to realize for the premium SB's they are more well-rounded. She's being removed from the rotation mostly due to boredom.

New SB:

We had M&G several months ago. Neither of us followed up. I hit her up for a date for food and drinks. Things lead to my place and it's too late to send a cab home. We're in bed and we both went for it. She's a spinner. 21,5'9", AA, dark flawless skin. Face 8, body 9, skills 9. Firm body, loud moaner. I didn't move toward BJ, which was different and fulfilling actually. It was just straight up condom FC. I think this will end up more NSA. I say that because after FC, she may have texted once a few days later. She's brief and not a clingy girl. I can see her coming over to watch TV, grab a beer and FC.