Rants Raves and Stupid Shit in Seattle.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6310104]Just in case some from the other sites read this (I know they do), if you don't have rates in your ad / profile, you either overcharge or play games and I ignore you.

If you have nothing listed in both ad / profile for menu, I'll ignore you. If you have a page worth of hates, why are you even working. You don't have to put everything into likes too, just omit it.

At least vaguely imply what VIP means so I or everyone else don't have to assume or ask you. VIP is annoying as it is to deduce. Also put GFE in ad title or something if you do it.

Longer sessions should generally have a length discount. I always see longer sessions are prioritized / preferred but then the rates don't encourage it. The funniest rates to me are when 2 separate appointments are equal or less than 1 long appointment.

The combination of ad, profile, and a cursory look at reviews should give a solid indication of what's provided and if it isn't, you're doing something wrong.

I think I've already seen some of the best the state has to offer without going the SB route and very few are worth the average rates I'm seeing currently. There's zero correlation between rate and quality of service after a certain point and funny enough the best I've seen were on the lower end of rates.

Personal thing, but I really like the ones that offer reasonable specials and / or give some kind of incentive to returning clients. Shows that they think about the long term and encourages you to be a regular despite a lot of guys preferring variety. Doesn't have to be through any site, but can be discussed face to face.

Put your damn payment methods somewhere as that could save people trips too.

I think I'm getting bored due to the amount of research involved in this hobby.[/QUOTE]Well said!

So WTF?! First skipthegames doesn't work with ProtonVPN, and now this site appears to be broken with it as well. What is going on?

1. 1. 1. 1 still works, but that's not the best security. Any admins around who can answer?

Thanks!

Agree 100%.

I always get a good laugh when I see chicks ask for a deposit or demand a cancellation fee. What the fuck is this? Enterprise Rent A Car? The combination of shit atittude and sky high rates without the looks, it is helping me save a lot of money.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6310104]Just in case some from the other sites read this (I know they do), if you don't have rates in your ad / profile, you either overcharge or play games and I ignore you.

If you have nothing listed in both ad / profile for menu, I'll ignore you. If you have a page worth of hates, why are you even working. You don't have to put everything into likes too, just omit it.

At least vaguely imply what VIP means so I or everyone else don't have to assume or ask you. VIP is annoying as it is to deduce. Also put GFE in ad title or something if you do it.

Longer sessions should generally have a length discount. I always see longer sessions are prioritized / preferred but then the rates don't encourage it. The funniest rates to me are when 2 separate appointments are equal or less than 1 long appointment.

The combination of ad, profile, and a cursory look at reviews should give a solid indication of what's provided and if it isn't, you're doing something wrong.

I think I've already seen some of the best the state has to offer without going the SB route and very few are worth the average rates I'm seeing currently. There's zero correlation between rate and quality of service after a certain point and funny enough the best I've seen were on the lower end of rates.

Personal thing, but I really like the ones that offer reasonable specials and / or give some kind of incentive to returning clients. Shows that they think about the long term and encourages you to be a regular despite a lot of guys preferring variety. Doesn't have to be through any site, but can be discussed face to face.

Put your damn payment methods somewhere as that could save people trips too.

I think I'm getting bored due to the amount of research involved in this hobby.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MitchCor;6315319]So WTF?! First skipthegames doesn't work with ProtonVPN, and now this site appears to be broken with it as well. What is going on?

1. 1. 1. 1 still works, but that's not the best security. Any admins around who can answer?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Also broken with NordVPN and Surfshark.

Same. Sometimes I'll switch to TOR but that's slow as hell.

[QUOTE=JayHawkFan;6315481]Also broken with NordVPN and Surfshark.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gamper;6303200]
Topics I hate discussing:

69, BB Anything, BBBJ, BBBJCIM, BBFS, BDSM, Bisexuality, BLS, BNG, Bondage, Choking, CIM, COB, COF, DATO, DATY, DFK, DT, Facials.

Topics I hate discussing continued:

FC, FIA, Fisting, FIV, Foreplay, French, Gagging, GFE, Greek, Group (4+), Kissing, Lactation, LFK, Pegging, Prostate Massage, Rimming, Russian.

Topics I hate discussing continued:

Spitting, Squirting, TF, Water Sports.[/QUOTE]This shit irritates the fuck out of me, I stare at shit like this wondering "well what the fuck do you do" and its seeming like most of the providers are turning there menu into this with a high ass rate.

[QUOTE=MitchCor;6315319]So WTF?! First skipthegames doesn't work with ProtonVPN, and now this site appears to be broken with it as well. What is going on?

1. 1. 1. 1 still works, but that's not the best security. Any admins around who can answer?

Thanks![/QUOTE]ProtonVPN is a commercial virtual private network provider, encrypting your Internet traffic and masquerading its source to remote servers.

1. 1. 1. 1 is a free Domain Name Server provider to translate your FQDN requests into IP addresses.

These are two completely separate technologies. Using a third party DNS provider only hides the names of the websites you visit from your ISP (because you'd otherwise be using their DNS servers). It does nothing to shield your identity from the Internet services you use.

[QUOTE=IncogNegro69;6315577]This shit irritates the fuck out of me, I stare at shit like this wondering "well what the fuck do you do" and its seeming like most of the providers are turning there menu into this with a high ass rate.[/QUOTE]Protip: They don't do anything. Literally. Nothing. The best case scenario for a lot of these girls is some small talk and let you insert that's considered "full sex".

Would be nice if there were more reliable rbgfe providers up north, say in Lynnwood / Everett area instead of driving to Seattle or Bellevue for 95% of them.

I have a lot of non-GFE's and low quality ones blocked and there's barely anything left. On a similar note, CBJ's are the biggest travesty in this hobby.

I know some that do tours and visit north but that's not much for consistency.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6318548]Would be nice if there were more reliable rbgfe providers up north, say in Lynnwood / Everett area instead of driving to Seattle or Bellevue for 95% of them.

I have a lot of non-GFE's and low quality ones blocked and there's barely anything left. On a similar note, CBJ's are the biggest travesty in this hobby.

I know some that do tours and visit north but that's not much for consistency.[/QUOTE]Yeah. It is sad that the concentration of the RBGFE seems to be in the city or east-side for the most part. Good observation, I wonder if this was always the case, I am guessing back in the day (15 yrs) the northern burbs like Everett and Lynwood had more action, but Boeing leaving maybe the east-side picked up the slack. Either way there needs to be more selection and that selection needs to be better distributed across the metro area. I would love to go to different areas to taste the talent and culture.

<Rant I really don't get this concept from a client's point of view from a cost perspective. Unless if you're a 1 percenter, why would a client spend the money to fly and board a provider? This is like paying Fed-Ex to mail some sand to the beach. </ End Rant .

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;6318636]Yeah. It is sad that the concentration of the RBGFE seems to be in the city or east-side for the most part. Good observation, I wonder if this was always the case, I am guessing back in the day (15 yrs) the northern burbs like Everett and Lynwood had more action, but Boeing leaving maybe the east-side picked up the slack. Either way there needs to be more selection and that selection needs to be better distributed across the metro area. I would love to go to different areas to taste the talent and culture.[/QUOTE]Boeing leaving? They're looking to add workers up there and ramp up production.

I am watching Michael Vick interview Andy Reid.

Painful.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;6318636]Yeah. It is sad that the concentration of the RBGFE seems to be in the city or east-side for the most part. Good observation, I wonder if this was always the case, I am guessing back in the day (15 yrs) the northern burbs like Everett and Lynwood had more action, but Boeing leaving maybe the east-side picked up the slack. Either way there needs to be more selection and that selection needs to be better distributed across the metro area. I would love to go to different areas to taste the talent and culture.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm finding as I get older that I have less desire to make the drives to cities to meet up with someone. Sure there's a few gems over there, but who wouldn't prefer a good rotation / selection within a short drive instead. Most of the ones in the AMPs are 50+ and not for me. At this point I wouldn't mind being a regular to someone who is close, clean and decent looking, rbgfe, and reliable. I don't think business is all that great around here though so they all flock and compete down south.

Sometimes I feel like time and money is better saved just rubbing one out.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6336449]Sometimes I feel like time and money is better saved just rubbing one out.[/QUOTE]LOL. My favorite pastime. I cannot argue with the fact that no matter how much pussy I get, I still do enjoy rubbing one out when I get the time.

Anyone else hate the waiting game on getting a response when giving timeslots? Doesn't have to be immediate but a response within the hour even saying one is too busy is better than nothing. I usually just assume a non response means booked, but it makes me appreciate agencies somewhat or those that have their shit together with scheduling. Good communication is sexy af.

There's some I know that always let me know eventually if they can or can't do certain times and I appreciate them for it because I know they get bombarded with texts.

It's like pulling teeth with others but you keep trying anyway because it eventually probably works and you're a horny idiot.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6338897]Anyone else hate the waiting game on getting a response when giving timeslots? Doesn't have to be immediate but a response within the hour even saying one is too busy is better than nothing. I usually just assume a non response means booked, but it makes me appreciate agencies somewhat or those that have their shit together with scheduling. Good communication is sexy af.

There's some I know that always let me know eventually if they can or can't do certain times and I appreciate them for it because I know they get bombarded with texts.

It's like pulling teeth with others but you keep trying anyway because it eventually probably works and you're a horny idiot.[/QUOTE]I hear you. I've had times I planned ahead and then the girl flakes out and I'm left scrambling last minute. Usually I end up getting screwed. I've started reaching out to multiple providers at once and go with the one who responds and commits first. The other girls hate that but I'm tired of having my time wasted. Sometimes I have only one or two windows in a week to make it happen. They get all bent out of shape with me at times but I'm the one working 50-60 hour weeks while they are sitting on their ass in a motel room.

[QUOTE=BillyKlub;6338928]I hear you. I've had times I planned ahead and then the girl flakes out and I'm left scrambling last minute. Usually I end up getting screwed. I've started reaching out to multiple providers at once and go with the one who responds and commits first. The other girls hate that but I'm tired of having my time wasted. Sometimes I have only one or two windows in a week to make it happen. They get all bent out of shape with me at times but I'm the one working 50-60 hour weeks while they are sitting on their ass in a motel room.[/QUOTE]Never say that! They are busy doing important stuff and you should be grateful they take time out of their busy day to take your money.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6336449] Most of the ones in the AMPs are 50+[/QUOTE]80% of the providers in Seattle AMPs are pushing 60+, not 50+.

15% are 35-50 year old While at least 30 lbs overweight and not attractive.

5% are under 25-35 year old, not fat, reasonably attractive, but have major GPS demanding 300+ for limited CFS. When you give them what they're actually worth (200) they provide crap rushed service.

Recently discovered the 'ignore' option and added a bunch of different new obvious shill accounts to the ignore list, but then realized just how inactive this site actually is.

I've mongered all over the USA And moved to Seattle about 1 year ago and still can't believe how awful the AMP scene is here.

To make it even more odd Tacoma a city with 10% of the population and GNP of Seattle actually has a real regular AMP scene. If it wasn't such a long fucking drive that would be a decent solution to Seattle's pathetic AMP scene.

I have two phones, one is AT&T the other verizon. I cannot log into this site on my Verizon phone unless I switch over to wi-fi. No problem using the AT&T phone. Has anyone else had this problem? I did notice another thread with mrmbers saying similar things.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1314-Login-amp-Posting-Problems-Member-Discussions-amp-Advice&p=6321513&viewfull=1[/URL]#post6321513.

[QUOTE=WarpFactor69;6344239]I have two phones, one is AT&T the other verizon. I cannot log into this site on my Verizon phone unless I switch over to wi-fi. No problem using the AT&T phone. Has anyone else had this problem? I did notice another thread with mrmbers saying similar things.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1314-Login-amp-Posting-Problems-Member-Discussions-amp-Advice&p=6321513&viewfull=1[/URL]#post6321513.[/QUOTE]Swap your phones DNS and / or use a VPN. Probably soft blocked by Verizon.

[QUOTE=Gamper;6344962]Swap your phones DNS.[/QUOTE]This dude said he's off the grid which probably means 4 g. So this isn't possible on that network. And also very difficult to do at the phone if he not using WiFi.

CW.

[QUOTE=MauiGuy1980;6322505]<Rant I really don't get this concept from a client's point of view from a cost perspective. Unless if you're a 1 percenter, why would a client spend the money to fly and board a provider? This is like paying Fed-Ex to mail some sand to the beach. </ End Rant .[/QUOTE]😂 you are correct. However, the 1%ers do this all the time. Sadly, many women when in their young 20's have had a taste of luxury and this really fucks with their expectations.

Now so many just compare this and think they still got it.

Many of these traveling ladies claiming the "European" tag, girls from Brazil, Spain, Ukraine, Russia, etc were at one time considered models at their local level, do a little traveling for photoshoots, stay at fancy hotels, give in to rich guys offering that luxury 3 or 4 days. This for some reason transpires into their 30's and still waiting and thinking their the most beautiful girl.

But yeah, the fly me to you happens but extremely rarely, but I can see why girls will put it up as an option to heighten their fantasy of reality.

If you can afford it, then guys tend to fly away and meet whoever they want in that country.

We've been blessed though of having these beautiful girls visit here without paying them to fly here.

But you can get lucky now and then and actually meet someone that just wants to get away and without asking $10 k for the weekend.

I've been lucky to have a couple girls come here, cost me $2 k, round trip, 2 nights and 3 days with me and she was happy take $1 k cash. And yes, she was hot and 25.

Now my expectations are fucked. LOL.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6338975]Never say that! They are busy doing important stuff and you should be grateful they take time out of their busy day to take your money.[/QUOTE]Well I never say it to THEM. It's just ridiculous how they act like they aren't sitting on their phones and are doing all this other important stuff. Also some of them feel they can respond to my text 3 days later and I will just be standing by idle waiting for them to call. I'll probably end up with some time waste alerts LOL.

Most of these women are managed.

Get over it.

How do you know?

1) Check traveling partners. Usually Managed.

2) Asian Massage Providers. Managed.

3) Streetwalker. Managed.

4) Similar Ads. Managed.

5) Hot new young provider. Managed.

6) Duo Partners are a clue of being managed.

7) No AA. Managed.

8) Ultra Hi Volume Traveling Girl. Managed.

9) Traveling to far off places like Tysons Corner VA or Minneapolis, MN. Managed.

& those that are not managed likely were at some point. In fact, every woman in the IPO thread is managed.

For the few that are not managed, they are likely supporting some low life bf or baby daddy or both.

Not bragging, but I'm flying out tomorrow and lucky enough to get back to DE and sample the FKK clubs throughout Western Rhineland. On top of that, the local scene if you sprecken sie Deutsche, the swing clubs there are wide open for entertainment. Believe it or not, they love Americans there if you just try a little language skills. FKKs are pretty amazing, usually CFS but the rest open, and for a 60-100 entrance fee, you get all day access to the club with food, drink and beer included. Thirty min is between 50-80 usually, hour 100-130 at the typical places. I've heard of Globe in I think Zurich where the women are goddesses, and prices are higher, but truly the women are Swiss / Austrian / German goddesses, and their hour is max 200-300. Not going that far south. Samya is in my plan for next week, but I'm intrigued by all the Belgian AO swinger clubs filled with MILFs. These chicks ride bikes all fucking day and are in great shape, love to fuck, and have no pent up Puritan BS that the new country has infected us with.

Check the international version of this page if you get a chance to travel. Need to pay to join so I cannot post reviews there, but so much 411 is available there.

Note to self, get to both Berlin and Switzerland one of these days and partake. My buddies went to Prague right after they joined the EU and the stories are epic, burned into memory.

Hotels are cheap there, look around. Flights can be had for less than $1 k. Make a week out of it and get memories of a life time.

Rave over.

The vpn seems to be working now.

[QUOTE=BimForFun;6349651]Not bragging, but I'm flying out tomorrow and lucky enough to get back to DE and sample the FKK clubs throughout Western Rhineland. On top of that, the local scene if you sprecken sie Deutsche, the swing clubs there are wide open for entertainment. Believe it or not, they love Americans there if you just try a little language skills. FKKs are pretty amazing, usually CFS but the rest open, and for a 60-100 entrance fee, you get all day access to the club with food, drink and beer included. Thirty min is between 50-80 usually, hour 100-130 at the typical places. I've heard of Globe in I think Zurich where the women are goddesses, and prices are higher, but truly the women are Swiss / Austrian / German goddesses, and their hour is max 200-300. Not going that far south. Samya is in my plan for next week, but I'm intrigued by all the Belgian AO swinger clubs filled with MILFs. These chicks ride bikes all fucking day and are in great shape, love to fuck, and have no pent up Puritan BS that the new country has infected us with.

Rave over.[/QUOTE]Listen, I don't disagree that Germany is awesome because it legalized and regulated sex work. But it's not all roses, either. The global economy and the war in Ukraine is changing things.

I was in Hessen FKKs last Fall and the biggest club there was 90% roma girls. Some are stunning but generally speaking they're sweet as honey until they get your money. Bring a wrist watch because as soon as you pop, they'll start pushing you out the door. No HH rates, only 150 euro and upsell for DFK. I got in three ladies in one long afternoon. Alcohol was not free, but the buffet / sauna / pool were incredibly pleasant.

Sadly, it's still WAY better in Europe than here. My favorite place was Budapest, if you love brunettes it's a paradise.

[QUOTE=BimForFun;6349651]Not bragging, but I'm flying out tomorrow and lucky enough to get back to DE and sample the FKK clubs throughout Western Rhineland.[/QUOTE]This was my favorite spot when I was stationed in West Germany back in the 1980's.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drei-Farben-Haus[/URL]

As some rates get higher, do the providers who charge 600+ even realize that the daily atm limit from most places is 500?

It's already a pain in the ass to go to ones who don't accept digital payments, but taking 2 trips for the amount (who even goes to a teller), then a trip to the incall is ridiculous.

The client base most likely to spend that much also probably likes to have money be put to good use rather than just sitting around on hand.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6350291]As some rates get higher, do the providers who charge 600+ even realize that the daily atm limit from most places is 500?

It's already a pain in the ass to go to ones who don't accept digital payments, but taking 2 trips for the amount (who even goes to a teller), then a trip to the incall is ridiculous.

The client base most likely to spend that much also probably likes to have money be put to good use rather than just sitting around on hand.[/QUOTE]They've never thought about it, nor have they thought of much else, besides taking whatever we are willing to hand over. I happen to think that anything over 250 is stupid, so I don't pay it. I've been stupid before, and I will be again. But I'm not forking over anything close to 600 for a hooker that doesn't deserve a third of it!

As with any server, when I'm impressed with the service, I always tip generously. I've given thirty percent or more for hard work well done, and I'll keep right on doing that, even if it's stupid to do so. But I'm not paying seventy percent to some hooker before service even occurs. No sir.

Show me the service, and I'll reward you every time. But only then. Rant over.

This post is funny because I was literally thinking the same thing today. Last night I was in contact with a provider on STG and she agreed to BB service for an additional charge. When I inquired as to what that additional charge would be she said it would be $300. Plus her normal rate. That would be over $600. First of all, hell no to that, not for a half-hour when I can find it cheaper by seeing a regular provider of mine for much much less, but also because I told her that I wouldn't even be able to get the cash due to my daily limit. Of course she said I could do it via Venmo and other cash services and I said "no I can't. Or rather I won't". This is a cash-only transaction IMO. Yeah I know that makes me a Boomer and at some point cash apps and services will become more of a thing, but until that day I'm only doing cash.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6350291]As some rates get higher, do the providers who charge 600+ even realize that the daily atm limit from most places is 500?[/QUOTE]

A milking table is more or less a horizontal glory hole.

[QUOTE=ScotchYoke;6350898]A milking table is more or less a horizontal glory hole.[/QUOTE]The year will end on 123123.

[QUOTE=GinVermo;6350760] But I'm not forking over anything close to 600 for a hooker that doesn't deserve a third of it![/QUOTE]Tech bros paying more than 200 for a poor service hookers (95% of Seattle providers) are glorified code monkeys with room temperature EQs and untreated autism.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6350291]As some rates get higher, do the providers who charge 600+ even realize that the daily atm limit from most places is 500?

It's already a pain in the ass to go to ones who don't accept digital payments, but taking 2 trips for the amount (who even goes to a teller), then a trip to the incall is ridiculous.

The client base most likely to spend that much also probably likes to have money be put to good use rather than just sitting around on hand.[/QUOTE]I don't make a ton of money, but am I the only one who keeps 2-5K in cash handy at home?

[QUOTE=Spectacular;6351405]Tech bros paying more than 200 for a poor service hookers (95% of Seattle providers) are glorified code monkeys with room temperature EQs and untreated autism.[/QUOTE]Code monkeys made pretty much every part of this coversation possible: every single hop between your device, your router, your ISPs routers, USAG's server, my ISP's routers, my router, and the phone on which I'm typing this. Don't blame the code monkeys for your inability to afford the hooker you want.

And please tell me more about these autism treatments you reference. Exactly which drugs and / or procedures are you implying are effective against an executive function deficit?

Myself, I don't leave cash sitting around like that. All of my money is at work for me at all times in a variety of ways. It's constantly generating more money. If I get to a point where a wad of cash is sitting around not doing anything, it's going into an investment somewhere. I have one single credit card for emergencies, which I never use in the normal course of my daily life, in case I need to do something quickly while waiting for a withdrawal to come out of an account. I've built-up quite a bit of personal wealth living this way.

[QUOTE=Efurufe;6352063]I don't make a ton of money, but am I the only one who keeps 2-5K in cash handy at home?[/QUOTE]

I actually disagree, I'm not sure that so-called "tech bros" are the ones screwing it up. In the past couple of years I'm encountering a lot of providers who are very willingly holding a line and sticking to it. I really like cruising the stroll and I'll meet attractive SWs who quote $150 or higher and I'll turn then down. I'll watch them turn guys away all night and they don't seem to care that they aren't making money. They put-off an image of "I don't actually need you" and unlike what I've seen in the past this time they seem to be emboldened by it. They will and do hold that line these days. I don't know that any amount of men sticking together will get rates to come down. For that to happen, there would have to be a very serious and organized boycott which will never occur. My opinion, of course, but rates always go up, they rarely come down.

[QUOTE=Spectacular;6351405]Tech bros paying more than 200[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hoballer;6352732]I actually disagree, I'm not sure that so-called "tech bros" are the ones screwing it up. In the past couple of years I'm encountering a lot of providers who are very willingly holding a line and sticking to it. I really like cruising the stroll and I'll meet attractive SWs who quote $150 or higher and I'll turn then down. I'll watch them turn guys away all night and they don't seem to care that they aren't making money. They put-off an image of "I don't actually need you" and unlike what I've seen in the past this time they seem to be emboldened by it. They will and do hold that line these days. I don't know that any amount of men sticking together will get rates to come down. For that to happen, there would have to be a very serious and organized boycott which will never occur. My opinion, of course, but rates always go up, they rarely come down.[/QUOTE]I'm of the opinion now that only increased competition will temper rates. Just look at Vancouver which has so many agencies and women to work with. Unfortunately for here, there's basically only a couple kgirl groups and then a site that heavily skews towards providers colluding.

The CT girls that visit and get overloaded with bookings is basically 1 girl vs the 12+ that are at Luxxxe in Vancouver at any given time.