"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2488741]A brand new SA member, a reasonably hot 19 year old SB, popped up on my scan tonight. Claims to be a single mother and just divorced and she favored me after I viewed her profile, so I dove right in.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ee102eae/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

Got to step 3 of the 5 step process ie.

"So let me ask you another question. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me. I am sure you are. Or will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them) . And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work".

Most of the time the response is "what did you have in mind" or something like that.

Her response was "How much do you typically pay per date? My price tag usually runs at $800, but I drop it for some".

I'm stumped on how to respond. I'm assuming that my standard offer in step 4 of $100 per date will be laughed at. Should I go ahead and offer her the standard and see?

[/QUOTE]I have chatted with Lan** awhile ago on AF before she enrolled on SA. She gave me her number: (208)*4495. Google tells me that's a Burley, Idaho number. She is either a fairly loose UTR or possibly something a little worse. I recommend you proceed with caution.

BAM.

My experience on SA has been pretty good overall. Utilizing the 5 step process, modified just a bit, has increased my results and lowered my date amounts. Props to Hollywoodguy!

There's still the occasional flake / no show, but that's common even in the "regular" dating world.

Felt like I had to share a recent experience, as this girl ended up being off the top of the charts in just about every way.

Started talking to her a coule weeks ago. No discussion of sugar amount though, admittedly on this one I didn't utilize the 5 steps. She contacted me first. Straight to texting after a couple messages on SA. Quickly escalated to playful sexy type conversations. We setup for this Wednesday to meet. Which she had to change Wednesday morning. Red flag popped up assuming she was flaking. That thought was relieved for me a bit after she gave me a sexy show via Skype. Rescheduled for Friday.

Now for the good part. Still no sugar discussion to this point. Picked her up early Friday morning, and first impression was damn she is better than her pics. AA girl, just 19 yrs old. 5'6-5'7, 36 d's and an ass that is unreal! If there's a more amazing site than 36 d's on a 19 yr old body, I'm not sure what it would be. Booty that's Not too firm / muscular, and not too soft. Tiny waist with a tight flat tummy. Beautiful face too. Maybe 8 face, borderline 10 body, and in the bed, well I'll get to that part.

Picked up coffee, and straight to the FC. We're in the room maybe 10 minutes before she's stripped down to bra and panties and.

She's clawing at my crotch. Without getting into too many details, the next 6 hours was a blur of sex that I'd say was top 3 I've ever had. I haven't experienced her kind of enthusiasm in a while. Every position imaginable. And now the unicorn part, she's a squirter, loves to be choked (which I really dig) can deep throat like a champ, zero gag reflex, and I'm not small by any measure. AND she wanted to be tied up, (which she had mentioned in texts). Good thing I had a few extra ties with me. All that plus a body that is worthy of a magazine spread. Amazing.

We fucked in just about every location I could think of in the room. I'm surprised management didn't show up she was so loud. Really was into calling me daddy. Finally wore her out and had her begging me to fuck her more and begging me to stop at the same time.

After a shower and a final pop for me in the shower, from her amazing oral skills, I dropped her at her work. She asks if I can give her a few bucks for her to get something to eat. I gave her a $20. She already texting me asking when she can have more of daddy's dick.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2488741]Got to step 3 of the 5 step process ie.

"So let me ask you another question. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me. I am sure you are. Or will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them) . And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work".

Most of the time the response is "what did you have in mind" or something like that.

Her response was "How much do you typically pay per date? My price tag usually runs at $800, but I drop it for some".

I'm stumped on how to respond. [/QUOTE]Wow. It's great that you get that much per date, but that's out of my league. Thanks for responding and good luck in your search.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2488741]A brand new SA member, a reasonably hot 19 year old SB, popped up on my scan tonight. Claims to be a single mother and just divorced and she favored me after I viewed her profile, so I dove right in.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ee102eae/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

Got to step 3 of the 5 step process ie.

"So let me ask you another question. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me. I am sure you are. Or will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them) . And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work".

Most of the time the response is "what did you have in mind" or something like that.

Her response was "How much do you typically pay per date? My price tag usually runs at $800, but I drop it for some".

I'm stumped on how to respond. I'm assuming that my standard offer in step 4 of $100 per date will be laughed at. Should I go ahead and offer her the standard and see?

[blue]We have the same problem down here in Argentina. I always tell them I only wanted a couple hours, I wasn't planning on taking them away for a week. It never works, but it makes me feel better. GPS is GPS and chicks that charge that much rarely are worth it. Most of them are convinced that they are so hot, and you are so lucky to just have them there that showing up is all they need to do.

Mis dos centavos

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]We've discussed this before on the board, but GPS is a disease with only a few causes I can think and only one reason can be cured, but they need to make that decision. There is little we can do to help. Just be polite and hope they see the light and return at a later date.

The only good reason I can think of is that they are new and believe some of the articles and testimonials they have seen making girls believe there is a young good looking billionaire (ie Christian Grey) waiting to spoil them. Eventually most realize this isn't realistic. Some will adjust their expectations. Others will disappear disillusioned.

I usually tell them I'm sorry that they are beyond my budget and wish then the best on their search. Several have come back weeks or months later willing to meet and appreciative that I was so polite.

How does the saying go? "Do no harm".

Add her to the "ignore" list and move on. No way that coochie is worth $800.

Check back in with her in a month after GPS has worn off.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2488741]A brand new SA member, a reasonably hot 19 year old SB, popped up on my scan tonight. Claims to be a single mother and just divorced and she favored me after I viewed her profile, so I dove right in.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ee102eae/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

Got to step 3 of the 5 step process ie.

"So let me ask you another question. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me. I am sure you are. Or will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them) . And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work".

Most of the time the response is "what did you have in mind" or something like that.

Her response was "How much do you typically pay per date? My price tag usually runs at $800, but I drop it for some".

I'm stumped on how to respond. I'm assuming that my standard offer in step 4 of $100 per date will be laughed at. Should I go ahead and offer her the standard and see?

[blue]We have the same problem down here in Argentina. I always tell them I only wanted a couple hours, I wasn't planning on taking them away for a week. It never works, but it makes me feel better. GPS is GPS and chicks that charge that much rarely are worth it. Most of them are convinced that they are so hot, and you are so lucky to just have them there that showing up is all they need to do.

Mis dos centavos

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2489194]Wow. It's great that you get that much per date, but that's out of my league. Thanks for responding and good luck in your search.[/QUOTE]If the girl counters with something like, "well how much are you offering".

I always reply with "I don't really negotiate and here's why. I feel every girl is worth what she perceives her value to be. , whatever that is. If I tell you that you are worth less, then your opinion of me is going be less as well. And I don't see that as an ideal place to start a relationship of any kind".

I see no value in trying to talk to girls with real GPS or that are clueless or wishful thinkers. By the looks of the girl in the profile that started this I would say she is more on the clueless wishful thinker side. When they look like SI swimsuit models I get it. They are used to guys offering them all sorts of things from a very young age. But this girl is not in our universe.

This exchange is more typical than you may imagine. Without trying to overthink things I just stick to the script and it works time and time again. This is a slam dunk, but I get a lot of those.

ME. Sent my intro message (step 1).

HER REPLY. How are you? You wanted me to email you so I'm doing it.

ME. Sent my 3 reasons message and my pics (step 2).

HER REPLY. Well, that was all very well explained. I liked the pictures by the way! I would say I need 1 and 3. Also, I can meet you in June. What do you need?

ME. Sent step 3 message prefaced by "you mean besides a pretty girl at my side?

HER REPLY. Well how much are you thinking then?

ME: Sent step 4 message.

HER REPLY. Well that makes sense. It's a fair amount. We could meet next week.

ME: Sent step 5 message prefaced by "btw... I only date 18-22 pretty girls like you. It's just my preference".

HER REPLY. In short she says she is comfortable with my M&G and FC plans if it goes that far.

I realize that in my area I have an ocean to fish in. But girls are girls from coast to coast.

I want to thank everyone here for their advise and council. Here is how this went down after she mentioned $800.

I give her the standard step 4 answer "I offer a gift of $100 a date once we reach an arrangement. Blah blah blah".

She says "I can do $200 & yes baby, I completely understand. & I want to build a chemistry between us. ".

I say "That's out of my league. But good luck in your search".

She says "I can do $100 a date".

So I give her my step 5 speech.

This morning I texted her about setting up a m&g and she says, I'm busy now but 6 or 7 o'clock at 2**00 Dixie Highway works for me. So I put the address into Google and It's a hotel, a local Bed and Breakfast. Go figure.

So in a few short hours she went from out of reach to suggesting we go right to the FC.

God, I love this job.

I know I'm used to providers, UTR and flagrant. I was going back and forth with a girl, go frustrated and dumped her over the side. Then I added this to my profile:

[I]If you're just putting your toe in the water and don't know what you want, please don't contact me. I'm sure you'll have plenty of suitors but I'm not interested in endless texts, messages or other bullshit. [/I]

Now all I get are UTR and Pro. Guess I shouldn't be surprised. I just don't have the time you guys have. Maybe next year.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2489493]I want to thank everyone here for their advise and council. Here is how this went down after she mentioned $800.

I give her the standard step 4 answer "I offer a gift of $100 a date once we reach an arrangement. Blah blah blah".

She says "I can do $200 & yes baby, I completely understand. & I want to build a chemistry between us. ".

I say "That's out of my league. But good luck in your search".

She says "I can do $100 a date".

So I give her my step 5 speech.

This morning I texted her about setting up a m&g and she says, I'm busy now but 6 or 7 o'clock at 2**00 Dixie Highway works for me. So I put the address into Google and It's a hotel, a local Bed and Breakfast. Go figure.

So in a few short hours she went from out of reach to suggesting we go right to the FC.

God, I love this job.[/QUOTE]They used to say "all the good men are taken" then they started saying "well he's probably gay". Now it's "well he's probably just paying for it". Damn straight. Unless they are headed to eHarmony I don't see how any girl over 30 is going to get any guy with a decent job and an ounce of game. Unless the guy just happens to have a MILF fetish or seriously wants to get married.

No offence but after reading this thread and putting in at most a few months time (even from ground zero), if you aren't scoring you must really be boring. Because looks, size and skills are all important on some level, but sugar + personality = pussy. And with enough sugar you dont even need that. But this thread is for guys that want to leverage some of their good qualities and a reasonable amount of sugar to get what they want. So if you have those qualities, no matter how under appreciated you may have been by someone in your past or present, dont let that stop you from venturing out of your comfort zone. Because these girls are desperate (and i repeat, desperate) to have fun.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2489654]
No offence but after reading this thread and putting in at most a few months time (even from ground zero), if you aren't scoring you must really be boring. Because looks, size and skills are all important on some level, but sugar + personality = pussy. And with enough sugar you dont even need that. But this thread is for guys that want to leverage some of their good qualities and a reasonable amount of sugar to get what they want. [/QUOTE]I have to agree that with the right approach this is automatic. Not with every girl, at every sugar amount, but with more than enough to keep me in fresh young pussy, without spending close to what you'd need to pay a comparable pro, for the same experience.

I found out at noon yesterday that I am being assigned to a 5 month project outside of Detroit. I have already gotten 4 numbers of promising candidates. The first one to text me is a 22 year old white girl, 8/8/7/?. I don't get a hint of UTR off of her. She says she had one SD in the past but he stopped finding time to see her. She wanted 300 per meet. I countered with some of the same logic HG uses in his approach (I don't follow his script word for word but the underlying philosophy is solid). I explained that I am going to be there for 5 months, and I am looking for someone to see on a regular basis for that time (which is true, I like to have a steady go-to). I explained that someone might offer her more, but they would probably do exactly what the first guy did, which was carve a notch and move on. She is locked in at 150. I went a little higher than my norm (120) because I don't have a fallback there (yet), and she really is sweet. I did tell her that this is contingent upon meeting face to face and on our having the right kind of connection. We're going to dinner when I get in town next week and I expect to go straight to the FC. If that all goes well I will see her the whole time I'm there. If not, I still have 3 more numbers to text.

I may meet her for dinner and find she is not what I'm expecting, or is UTR, or the performance may not be what I need, but for the minimal amount of effort I put in it is well worth the time.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2489728] but for the minimal amount of effort I put in it is well worth the time.[/QUOTE]A week or so ago I was in a mini-dry spell with GPS all around, and my regular girls out of touch. I went on BP to see if there was a morsel to tide me over. When I got to thinking about my experiences with BP girls, versus SA girls, I could not bring myself to pull the trigger, even though I had the itch.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;2488006]
So literally the day before I was supposed to leave, I hit up a number of POTS on SA.

My basic line was simple. "I'm in town for 3 nights starting tomorrow, I can't be your full time SD, but you will have fun, I'll cover all expenses and provide minimal spending money. If things go well, we could probably meet once every other month, read my profile and let's chat".

San Diego has impressed me. I may have to come back and visit. Reminded me of my St. Louis trip. Both young ladies would like to come visit once I get back to my area.

Like normal, the First meeting I gave small gifts and gas money, 2nd night more of a regular donation. No complaints by either.[/QUOTE]I travel to San Diego occasionally for work, and usually see a few escorts while I'm there. Saw your earlier posts on travel SBs and did start to think that might be something worth trying. Have another trip coming up here in a couple months, and after this report, yeah, I'll definitely have to give this a shot.

I have emails and leads from three other bros who fish in my area.

I am collecting the info in a list and will do an email blast Monday night to them.

If you happen to be fishing in this area and want to be added, please PM me w at least two good leads and your email address. We need all to pitch in.

Please don't be surprised that there is some overlap, in that I am, for example, more than familiar w some of the ladies mentioned in PMs.

I'm glad I found this site. My Sugar experience has been pretty good. It's a little more expensive, but a whole lot more entertaining.

One question I've got. What's the best way to score with the more mature ladies. Most of the info I've seen on here, even HWG steps, is geared towards the younger (under 25) crowd. Anyone have any tips for scoring with the Divorcee's or older single moms. I enjoy them more in bed and they're not quite as flaky.

Thanks.

Z.