Could it be that the guys who USED to get their jollies in the stripjoint VIP rooms and are accustomed to paying $100 or more for that, have been forced out into the escort market and are the ones only too willing to pay these $100 QV amounts?
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Could it be that the guys who USED to get their jollies in the stripjoint VIP rooms and are accustomed to paying $100 or more for that, have been forced out into the escort market and are the ones only too willing to pay these $100 QV amounts?
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Took a chance on this one and it paid off. I'm Not sure if that her in the pics but definitely a good representation of her. Very curvy Latina with real tits and an amazing ass (for those that like big asses). She definitely was not fat. When I got in her room I was surprised on how good she looked. Very friendly but limited English. We talked in Spanish. Got comfortable and proceeded with CBJ. I asked for bb but she asked for. 3 tip and I didn't bring any more. She's great on cg and over course doggie was great. She is aggressive without rushing. Took a good pounding. I'm not sure how long she'll be in town since she's from philly. Damage was 1. 2 for hh.
[QUOTE=ChaseStar;4894742]Rational business management has never been any of these girls strong point. Not sure how the current covid effects all that. Perhaps the risk of the girls catching something from some of us has had a negative impact on supply, but then that would also work the other way and reduce the demand from guys who are concerned about catching something from the girls (and I do know of some older mongers who have curtailed or even placed their hobbying on complete hold for that reason). One would think that with many mongers belonging to a much older demographic than the typical provider that negative impact is greater on the demand side. There has also been a shift from both guys and girls who used to practice what they do in stripjoints that now have to pursue those pursuits in other ways. But again, one would think that too would work both ways.
The main thing is that, however it impacts supply and demand, the impact has to be far greater on supply. The vast majority of these girls were already on the edge economically. It is far easier for us to save our money, take fewer risks, content ourselves with our old ladies or our fists to get off than it is for providers to go without their hotel room money, money for the big mac meals and money for their drugs. The closing of the stripjoints and MP's may have driven many of their former customers to seek their jollies with escorts just as the loss of income for strippers and rub-and-tug girls may have forced some of them into the more overt escort arena but even there it is far easier for those groups of guys to stay home.
Another aspect is many of these girls have tried turning to making their money on-line (e. G. Through Snapchat Premium, OnlyFans and other webcam type sites). I'm not sure how many guys are really willing to pay that much just to look at a girl while they jack off. I suppose they're out there and may even have increased due to the less risky health aspect of it, but I can't imagine that income source could replace what these girls were making from the real thing.
One last concept that I'll throw out is "Price elasticity". Business must be off for most of these girls or at least need for money due to less being available from other means. So they raise their prices to try to make up for it. But that is self defeating because for every extra $20 they make, they're probably losing that $80 from the john who would have seen them but now wouldn't because of their higher price. The exact ratios may be a bit different but you see my point.
Maybe now with the Unemployment Benefits Bonus ending (not that most of these girls themselves directly qualified for that themselves) and the impact of that on business activity plus the ending of eviction protection, the equation may shift again to our benefit. Not that I'm hoping for that economic pain, but it could be the one silver lining in that cloud.[/QUOTE]The idea of price elasticity is perfect. How these dancers are paying their bills is beyond me, sugar daddy? UTR escort only for their regular clients at strip clubs, who knows!
I, personally, partake in this industry for stress relief for my own private life. Can a stripper get say $$ per client in a market where $- 5 is the norm. There are exceptions such as eros providers also Vanna White (No, not her, but a big bootie white chick moving here from Detroit) charges $$ for the half. Yes, I did paid that and after the experience, over charged (I do believe that I did post a review a while ago on her). I don't strippers advertising on LC. Chase star, you made a good point as due to the nature of the club, dancers / escorts expect higher money for sex in clubs (see my posts about Gold Club). Lipstixx is the exception. To me, Lipstixx is just a brothel as I have never seen a escort dance on stage. Does Harlow dance while on stage (I do think that I saw her at the ritz, but honestly, I have had way too much pussy to remember).
As for health, everyone has their own value system, have I seen SW during covid 19 outbreak, yes, but most of us have and escorts don't really care A=about their health. Do we, sort of. I am sure that some mongers have stopped, but there are more who haven't and the escorts know that. It is a 2 way street.
Yeah, that is what is worse. Most gals charging these rates seem to be like blow up dolls when it comes to performance.
[QUOTE=FlbMac31;4893832]Got to agree. Lots more of the "I don't do anything for less than $100" girls who then give lackluster performance.
I saw that a certain oral queen was back at her place around the casino. QV at 50 and ghost. Rates were always posted at 40 but now no response.
Maybe she's still pissed because one of my brother mongers reported to her that I only gave her a 4-diamond rating. That upset her. But that's a great rating if you measure by the scale.
Mac Out.[/QUOTE]
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A couple of months back I went to meet up with this girl. She answers the door in her underwear. I'm thinking awesome, its going down. I put the cash out on a desk she takes it and goes into the walk in closet in the bedroom. OK, she's putting it away, whatever. I start to get undressed, and this short black dude comes in the apartment. I'm in my underwear. He asks me what I'm doing in his apartment as I fucking RUSH to get dressed. He pulls a knife out on me. Ok, I'm not getting even in a little bit stabbed over this. I make me my exit. She texts me back that he wasnt supposed to be there for another hour and if I had somewhere else to go. I didn't take her up on it.
I felt like a Molly afternoon and contacted her. She promised to come to the house and like always was late. But after that, everything was top notch! I always have her come over for a 50/ QV, but even though I am done in 15 minutes, she always stays for an hour or more. We talk. He "on time" problem is having to ask some "friend" to drive her. But she is looking to buy a car. She also wants her own place, so invall will be an option. Molly is a BBW and very skilled in BBBJ, sucking balls, rimming and PM. I can't ask for anything more. Oh yea. She is photo friendly. See attached. Bill Ho.
LOL. Couldn't resist this one. Oral queens are hard to find but high on my needs list. I see BillHo suggests Molly so she moves up the list.
Since you copied my old post about discoteque Stephanie, I tried to see her again after another recent post. She's back so texted the previous night but no response. Quick and good comms once in town and now in an old motel not far from her first place. So drove from Brandon and found an inconspicuous place to park and check out the area before checking back in foir a room number.
We've met before and first meet was an impressive no wait moment. I like that. No attention drawn to the stranger or car. Second visit was an unexpected ghost. But this time she wants to shower while I take the 15 min drive to her place, then texts she needs another 20 on arrival.
Lots of reasons for a longer wait, but on a short time leash so had to call off and consider rescheduling and left. Besides, who needs a super shower and a 20 min makeup session for a blowjob?
Sent out a text to another call list sweetie and was surprised to get a quick response from Trinity. She's not posting but offered to meet which was nice. Regretfully she's out in Wesley Chapel.
I'll try another visit next week.
Mac OUt.
[QUOTE=JFK2016;4895043]Yeah, that is what is worse. Most gals charging these rates seem to be like blow up dolls when it comes to performance.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChaseStar;4894742]Rational business management has never been any of these girls strong point. Not sure how the current covid effects all that. Perhaps the risk of the girls catching something from some of us has had a negative impact on supply, but then that would also work the other way and reduce the demand from guys who are concerned about catching something from the girls (and I do know of some older mongers who have curtailed or even placed their hobbying on complete hold for that reason). One would think that with many mongers belonging to a much older demographic than the typical provider that negative impact is greater on the demand side. There has also been a shift from both guys and girls who used to practice what they do in stripjoints that now have to pursue those pursuits in other ways. But again, one would think that too would work both ways.
The main thing is that, however it impacts supply and demand, the impact has to be far greater on supply. The vast majority of these girls were already on the edge economically. It is far easier for us to save our money, take fewer risks, content ourselves with our old ladies or our fists to get off than it is for providers to go without their hotel room money, money for the big mac meals and money for their drugs. The closing of the stripjoints and MP's may have driven many of their former customers to seek their jollies with escorts just as the loss of income for strippers and rub-and-tug girls may have forced some of them into the more overt escort arena but even there it is far easier for those groups of guys to stay home.
Another aspect is many of these girls have tried turning to making their money on-line (e. G. Through Snapchat Premium, OnlyFans and other webcam type sites). I'm not sure how many guys are really willing to pay that much just to look at a girl while they jack off. I suppose they're out there and may even have increased due to the less risky health aspect of it, but I can't imagine that income source could replace what these girls were making from the real thing.
One last concept that I'll throw out is "Price elasticity". Business must be off for most of these girls or at least need for money due to less being available from other means. So they raise their prices to try to make up for it. But that is self defeating because for every extra $20 they make, they're probably losing that $80 from the john who would have seen them but now wouldn't because of their higher price. The exact ratios may be a bit different but you see my point.
Maybe now with the Unemployment Benefits Bonus ending (not that most of these girls themselves directly qualified for that themselves) and the impact of that on business activity plus the ending of eviction protection, the equation may shift again to our benefit. Not that I'm hoping for that economic pain, but it could be the one silver lining in that cloud.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what you just said. I think the real issue is that we as men are willing to accept substandard performance from these girls. Not only are we willing to accept it, we often pay top dollar for it. We are defeating our own selves and there is no one to blame but us. We must stop this shit. Let me try to give us all a little perspective. IMHO, there are three tiers of girls, grade A, grade B and grade C. Grade A would be your porn stars, eros girls and flawless strippers from the club. No one should ever pay more that 600 hr for grade A pussy. I personally have only paid for grade A pussy 3-4 times in my life. I fucked one of my favorite porn stars, then I fucked this girl from chocolate citi models. Almost all the girls on that site are 8's,9's and 10's. And I fucked this absolutely perfect girl from tootsies strip club in Miami. So my point is that you can get grade A pussy for 600 or less. Are there women out there who will ask for more? Sure but that doesn't mean you should pay it. If $600 cannot get the job done, then I'm not fucking her. Period.
Grade B pussy would be the attractive girls that you see on listcrawler and the other sites that we frequent. Jade would fall into this category IMHO. OG Crystal was also grade B pussy (not anymore). You should never NEVER pay more that 200 hr for grade B pussy. In fact, that might even be too much! OG Crystal was really the only one who actually deserved 200 hr. Do you guys remember the work that she put in? She would literally suck and fuck the hell out of you. Lick your asshole and everything! On several occasions she would leave me curled up in a fetal position because she had fucked me silly LOL Oh how the mighty have fallen. Anyway.
Grade C pussy is everything else, most of the girls on listcrawler fit into this category. The hot hollys of the world, the Leas of the world. These girls should only be getting no more that 150-160 an hr. Honestly, I only need hhr with grade c pussy so most of the time 100 or less will do the trick. We must stop overpaying! Now I know that some of you make a lot of money, I too fit into that category. But regardless of our respective incomes, we cannot continue to pay these ridiculous prices for substandard pussy and substandard performances. We honestly should unionize. But I know that you guys would never go for it. Oh well. I guess we will have to wait another 20,30, 40 years or more until they legalize prostitution here in the USA. Then we might be able to get some quality control. I hope my dick still works by that time so I can actually enjoy.
I saw Red a few days ago. She looks exactly like her pics, was a bit difficult to meet up with but I kept trying. First of all, she is cool as hell. She has an excellent attitude and is not a clock watcher at all. I gave her 120 for the hhr outcall and she stayed with me for at least 2 hrs+. BBBJ was average at best. The biggest negative for me was that her pussy was ripe to say the least. When I saw her, she didn't have a room so maybe that contributed to the stank pussy because she wasnt able to take a shower? Who knows. Would I repeat? Maybe. I enjoyed bullshitin with her but the sexual experience was below average overall.
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[QUOTE=DrLickAClit2;4895549]I agree with most of what you just said. I think the real issue is that we as men are willing to accept substandard performance from these girls. Not only are we willing to accept it, we often pay top dollar for it. We are defeating our own selves and there is no one to blame but us. We must stop this shit. Let me try to give us all a little perspective. IMHO, there are three tiers of girls, grade A, grade B and grade C. Grade A would be your porn stars, eros girls and flawless strippers from the club. No one should ever pay more that 600 hr for grade A pussy. I personally have only paid for grade A pussy 3-4 times in my life. I fucked one of my favorite porn stars, then I fucked this girl from chocolate citi models. Almost all the girls on that site are 8's,9's and 10's. And I fucked this absolutely perfect girl from tootsies strip club in Miami. So my point is that you can get grade A pussy for 600 or less. Are there women out there who will ask for more? Sure but that doesn't mean you should pay it. If $600 cannot get the job done, then I'm not fucking her. Period.
Grade B pussy would be the attractive girls that you see on listcrawler and the other sites that we frequent. Jade would fall into this category IMHO. OG Crystal was also grade B pussy (not anymore). You should never NEVER pay more that 200 hr for grade B pussy. In fact, that might even be too much! OG Crystal was really the only one who actually deserved 200 hr. Do you guys remember the work that she put in? She would literally suck and fuck the hell out of you. Lick your asshole and everything! On several occasions she would leave me curled up in a fetal position because she had fucked me silly LOL Oh how the mighty have fallen. Anyway.
Grade C pussy is everything else, most of the girls on listcrawler fit into this category. The hot hollys of the world, the Leas of the world. These girls should only be getting no more that 150-160 an hr. Honestly, I only need hhr with grade c pussy so most of the time 100 or less will do the trick. We must stop overpaying! Now I know that some of you make a lot of money, I too fit into that category. But regardless of our respective incomes, we cannot continue to pay these ridiculous prices for substandard pussy and substandard performances. We honestly should unionize. But I know that you guys would never go for it. Oh well. I guess we will have to wait another 20,30, 40 years or more until they legalize prostitution here in the USA. Then we might be able to get some quality control. I hope my dick still works by that time so I can actually enjoy.[/QUOTE]Then you are missing the point.
The grade C rates you describe are inflated, in my opinion. Especially those for the workers who are really grade D, that is, those which normally have worked the streets and gladly take twenty for BBBJ and are delighted to get forty for a BJ and sex. They get a smart phone and discovered the web sites that allow them to advertise and they advertise prices the same as the other ads by other workers that they see online, knowing that they can always find a sucker (one is born every minute) or they can "lower" their price back to what they usually get if their need for drugs is too much to bear.
The grade D workers are the most common.
Stop overpaying.
You may have to search longer some of the time. You would look at ads for a new appliance in more than one store. Don't buy the first thing you see.
LA1215
Anyone got her contact info?
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Yeah Right, Like He Doesn't know what He's girl is doing. That's a shame Bro. Sorry to Read that!
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A couple of months back I went to meet up with this girl. She answers the door in her underwear. I'm thinking awesome, its going down. I put the cash out on a desk she takes it and goes into the walk in closet in the bedroom. OK, she's putting it away, whatever. I start to get undressed, and this short black dude comes in the apartment. I'm in my underwear. He asks me what I'm doing in his apartment as I fucking RUSH to get dressed. He pulls a knife out on me. Ok, I'm not getting even in a little bit stabbed over this. I make me my exit. She texts me back that he wasnt supposed to be there for another hour and if I had somewhere else to go. I didn't take her up on it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LA1215;4895665]Then you are missing the point.
The grade C rates you describe are inflated, in my opinion. Especially those for the workers who are really grade D, that is, those which normally have worked the streets and gladly take twenty for BBBJ and are delighted to get forty for a BJ and sex. They get a smart phone and discovered the web sites that allow them to advertise and they advertise prices the same as the other ads by other workers that they see online, knowing that they can always find a sucker (one is born every minute) or they can "lower" their price back to what they usually get if their need for drugs is too much to bear.
The grade D workers are the most common.
Stop overpaying.
You may have to search longer some of the time. You would look at ads for a new appliance in more than one store. Don't buy the first thing you see.
LA1215[/QUOTE]So, so true. Stop over paying for crappy service. I don't think we will see legalization for more than a generation. Sadly LE has found a way to get the public behind them on this issue with the crazy way they are letting the girls say they are being trafficked by their boyfriend. Once they say this they are now victims and not arrested. Then comes the press conference about how LE is saving the children of the world.
[QUOTE=DrLickAClit2;4895549]Grade B pussy would be the attractive girls that you see on listcrawler and the other sites that we frequent. Jade would fall into this category IMHO. OG Crystal was also grade B pussy (not anymore). You should never NEVER pay more that 200 hr for grade B pussy. In fact, that might even be too much! OG Crystal was really the only one who actually deserved 200 hr. Do you guys remember the work that she put in? She would literally suck and fuck the hell out of you. Lick your asshole and everything! On several occasions she would leave me curled up in a fetal position because she had fucked me silly LOL Oh how the mighty have fallen. Anyway. [/QUOTE]I sorta agree with you but I only fuck your so-called "grade B" pussy and the only 200 hr pussy your getting is a scam or what I would deem "grade C", if you're willing to pay up to 600 hr for this "grade A" pussy your talking about (ridiculous IMO just fuck a pretty girl who's not a fkin pornstar) you can dish out the "grade B" standard rn which is 300/350 hr, BTW to the people paying upwards of 100 hr for QV on some grade C pussy you're out of your fucking mind, you're effectively paying 400 hr for some piss poor shit, and before people call me out on paying 300/350 hr for "grade B" just understand that I consider "grade B" to be girls who are young, think and are actually pretty, girls I actually want to fuck, I get that we all have different standards but some of why'all are fucking legit methheads and I can't get down with that, no disrespect to why'all just my opinion.
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