"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

It's been interesting to read HWG's step process for pursuing SB's. I've developed my own process over time and have found I need to stick to the steps to remember where I am at in the process with the number of Pot's.

My steps (without my specific wording):

1) Introduction: grab their attention and get them to view my profile.

2) Photo exchange: confirm mutual physical attraction.

3) Sugar Dating Experience: build my credibility. Check for their confidence or apprehension.

4) Reasons for being on the site: continue to build my credibility and confirm they are not desperate.

5) Type of Relationship: confirm similar interests (duration, attraction, type of activities, etc).

6) Benefits: confirm interest in benefits beyond financial.

7) Terms of M+G: no pressure M+G with connection between intimacy and financial support.

If a pot is too desperate or has GPS it will shake out in the discussion and I move on.

This has worked very well for me and has many similarities to HWG's steps.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2485510]It's been interesting to read HWG's step process for pursuing SB's. I've developed my own process over time and have found I need to stick to the steps to remember where I am at in the process with the number of Pot's.

My steps (without my specific wording):

1) Introduction: grab their attention and get them to view my profile.

2) Photo exchange: confirm mutual physical attraction.

3) Sugar Dating Experience: build my credibility. Check for their confidence or apprehension.

4) Reasons for being on the site: continue to build my credibility and confirm they are not desperate.

5) Type of Relationship: confirm similar interests (duration, attraction, type of activities, etc).

6) Benefits: confirm interest in benefits beyond financial.

7) Terms of M+G: no pressure M+G with connection between intimacy and financial support.

If a pot is too desperate or has GPS it will shake out in the discussion and I move on.

This has worked very well for me and has many similarities to HWG's steps.[/QUOTE]So in step 7 are you confirming the sugar amount prior to meeting?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2485545]So in step 7 are you confirming the sugar amount prior to meeting?[/QUOTE]No. In step 7 I am making it clear that I will cover the expenses for the M+G, but that financial support comes with intimacy. If a pot is too focused on sugar amounts early on, I write her off as either GPS or desperate and move on. If they aren't willing to exchange several e-mails and get impatient they are either desperate or a pro and I move on.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2485562]No. In step 7 I am making it clear that I will cover the expenses for the M+G, but that financial support comes with intimacy. If a pot is too focused on sugar amounts early on, I write her off as either GPS or desperate and move on. If they aren't willing to exchange several e-mails and get impatient they are either desperate or a pro and I move on.[/QUOTE]I was just wondering if you talk about a predetermined amount of sugar prior to the M&G or wait to get face to face to get specific about the amount. Not the cost of a no sex M&G.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2484938]Ok. So I know that in the past some of our comrades have frowned upon the Exchange of information on pots and SBs. The reasons are many, but like FM, I am finding a deluge of summertime pots that is becoming unmanageable. I have received more messages from pots looking to meet without me ever even looking at their profiles or trying to contact them. Historically I would get a lot of messages from AA women, but this past week I have been messages from others, including two hot young Asian spinners.

Like FM, my time is limited. I don't want to waste time on pots that are Gps or that are interested in "platonic" friendships only.

I am happy to share info on prior SBs who I no longer see, and on pots I've met but didn't connect with. Of course since we know that the SBs read this forum as well, I am proposing to exchange info via pm to other trusted senior members.

I am currently mainly playing in the DC / VA / MD and Baltimore areas but also have some very limited info on pots in the Tristate region of Philly / S. Jeez / and DE.

Trusted senior members, looking to share info in those regions, please pm me.

As an aside, after renewing my account a few days ago, and being out of commision for the entire memorial day weekend taking care of real life matters, I completed one m&g which resulted in agreement for a FC trip (date tbd because of my crazy schedule), have one m&g scheduled tonight, plans for a FC trip this Friday, and messages with multiple pots interested in a m&g.

I need to be more efficient with my time, since it is so valuable. Others have to be feeling the same way.[/QUOTE]ILuv,

I am having a similar experience. As a 50 yo AA male in Raleigh, I am being literally overwhelmed with POTs! Some of which are way out of my league in any other forum, to the point I am either ignoring or 'blowing off' more than a few. I am finding the wording of one's profile the key.

[QUOTE=FirstHalf;2483557]You should be able to "report" the post by clicking the link in the bottom left corner of it. Select that's it's yours and put why you want it gone. Admin should oblige. I've done this before.

.[/QUOTE]Thanks but apparently someone was able to do it for me.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2484576]I met a stunning little 20 why / o Asian co-ed (could be Asa Akira's younger sister) last June from SA. Met her for lunch and we hit it off so well it was off to the FC right after. It did not take long to figure out she was very new to not only being a SB, but to sex in general. Being the loving, caring SD that I am, I quickly decided to take on teaching this young lady the ways of pleasing a SD. She went from awful in the FC to a superstar in the FC in a matter of weeks. A young lady who was eager to please, submissive in nature, and who took direction very, very well. Eventually all holes were available. And, all this for $150 + the SS. Usually went for 3 hours and as many loads as I could muster up. I could have fallen in love had we been closer in age. Today, I get the text message we all hate to get. She's not going to be able to see me anymore because she is now in a relationship. I wished her well, told her I was happy for her, and if at some point she is no longer in a relationship and wants to get together, just let me know.

It was great while it lasted. Rarely do we get someone so green that we can mold them into the exact girl in the FC that we want. I will miss her, but as I always say, NEXT![/QUOTE]As much as some of these women are on here to "hit the lottery" you in effect hit the lottery by getting her. Good work. I'm jealous, because I prefer the Asian spinners.

Since I can't put all of HWG's key concepts into texting is it a risk to put the "questionaire" and the "pre-qualify the dollar amount" into the SA message reply box?

Smelly, I am having the same experience in the DC / VA / MD as well. Still quite a few AA women, but also quite a few others. I know I don't have senior status but happy to share my experiences. I'll send you a message with a couple of leads so you at least know who is a sure thing.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2484938]Ok. So I know that in the past some of our comrades have frowned upon the Exchange of information on pots and SBs. The reasons are many, but like FM, I am finding a deluge of summertime pots that is becoming unmanageable. I have received more messages from pots looking to meet without me ever even looking at their profiles or trying to contact them. Historically I would get a lot of messages from AA women, but this past week I have been messages from others, including two hot young Asian spinners.

Like FM, my time is limited. I don't want to waste time on pots that are Gps or that are interested in "platonic" friendships only.

I am happy to share info on prior SBs who I no longer see, and on pots I've met but didn't connect with. Of course since we know that the SBs read this forum as well, I am proposing to exchange info via pm to other trusted senior members.

I am currently mainly playing in the DC / VA / MD and Baltimore areas but also have some very limited info on pots in the Tristate region of Philly / S. Jeez / and DE.

Trusted senior members, looking to share info in those regions, please pm me.

As an aside, after renewing my account a few days ago, and being out of commision for the entire memorial day weekend taking care of real life matters, I completed one m&g which resulted in agreement for a FC trip (date tbd because of my crazy schedule), have one m&g scheduled tonight, plans for a FC trip this Friday, and messages with multiple pots interested in a m&g.

I need to be more efficient with my time, since it is so valuable. Others have to be feeling the same way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2484576]I met a stunning little 20 why / o Asian co-ed (could be Asa Akira's younger sister) last June from SA. Met her for lunch and we hit it off so well it was off to the FC right after. It did not take long to figure out she was very new to not only being a SB, but to sex in general. Being the loving, caring SD that I am, I quickly decided to take on teaching this young lady the ways of pleasing a SD. She went from awful in the FC to a superstar in the FC in a matter of weeks. A young lady who was eager to please, submissive in nature, and who took direction very, very well. Eventually all holes were available. And, all this for $150 + the SS. Usually went for 3 hours and as many loads as I could muster up. I could have fallen in love had we been closer in age. Today, I get the text message we all hate to get. She's not going to be able to see me anymore because she is now in a relationship. I wished her well, told her I was happy for her, and if at some point she is no longer in a relationship and wants to get together, just let me know.

It was great while it lasted. Rarely do we get someone so green that we can mold them into the exact girl in the FC that we want. I will miss her, but as I always say, NEXT![/QUOTE]Sorry it's over, but man, did you hit the jackpot there. That's one of the few disappointments about living where I do. Very few Asians around here.

IluvSmelly and GuyInTheCorner.

I also play in DC / VA / MD and Baltimore areas, and I have TONS of details.

Let's exchange throuigh PM. I just realized I have PM ability. Dang. Good news.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2484938]Ok. So I know that in the past some of our comrades have frowned upon the Exchange of information on pots and SBs. The reasons are many, but like FM, I am finding a deluge of summertime pots that is becoming unmanageable. I have received more messages from pots looking to meet without me ever even looking at their profiles or trying to contact them. Historically I would get a lot of messages from AA women, but this past week I have been messages from others, including two hot young Asian spinners.

Like FM, my time is limited. I don't want to waste time on pots that are Gps or that are interested in "platonic" friendships only.

I am happy to share info on prior SBs who I no longer see, and on pots I've met but didn't connect with. Of course since we know that the SBs read this forum as well, I am proposing to exchange info via pm to other trusted senior members.

I am currently mainly playing in the DC / VA / MD and Baltimore areas but also have some very limited info on pots in the Tristate region of Philly / S. Jeez / and DE.

Trusted senior members, looking to share info in those regions, please pm me.

As an aside, after renewing my account a few days ago, and being out of commision for the entire memorial day weekend taking care of real life matters, I completed one m&g which resulted in agreement for a FC trip (date tbd because of my crazy schedule), have one m&g scheduled tonight, plans for a FC trip this Friday, and messages with multiple pots interested in a m&g.

I need to be more efficient with my time, since it is so valuable. Others have to be feeling the same way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2485690]I was just wondering if you talk about a predetermined amount of sugar prior to the M&G or wait to get face to face to get specific about the amount. Not the cost of a no sex M&G.[/QUOTE]I try avoid discussion about specific sugar amounts. I let them know there are bigger spenders than me, but I offer other benefits and that previous SB's were very happy. The girls that are okay with this probably fit better with what I am looking for. The girls that push for specific amounts and agreements are usually not a good match.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2486193]I try avoid discussion about specific sugar amounts. I let them know there are bigger spenders than me, but I offer other benefits and that previous SB's were very happy. The girls that are okay with this probably fit better with what I am looking for. The girls that push for specific amounts and agreements are usually not a good match.[/QUOTE]Thanks and I agree that girls usually pushing the amount are over my budget. But since I am on one I always tell them what it is. Thanks Again.

I had been working with a SB in San Diego because I knew I would be in town. We texted, talked, Skyped for almost a month.

She was supposed to spend 3 nights in a row with me once I got to town. About a week and 1/2 out, she stopped communicating. I was so busy, I actually didn't notice.

Then two days before my trip, it hit me that she had flaked out.

So literally the day before I was supposed to leave, I hit up a number of POTS on SA.

My basic line was simple. "I'm in town for 3 nights starting tomorrow, I can't be your full time SD, but you will have fun, I'll cover all expenses and provide minimal spending money. If things go well, we could probably meet once every other month, read my profile and let's chat".

I did not expect it would work with the short notice. I was actually very surprised that ended up hitting on two real hotties.

First was a 35 year old beautiful single mom, divorced Latina, 5'5. Body was a 7, face a 9. 5.

Second was 30 years old, white, cute & nerdy, blonde, 5'2, a slim body and natural big boobs.

Had early dinner with one and late M&G with other when I got in the first night. Both dates ended with some serious kissing at the car and some good feeling each other up. That laid the groundwork for the 2nd dates.

Did the TiggaBounce overnight with the hot blonde on 2nd night. She was very much in to sports so the overnight date started at a local sports bar watching games and eating bar food.

Had a super spicy TiggaBounce with the Latina the 3rd night. She was awesome. Started with dinner at a very casual local restaurant. Walked over to a bakery for dessert, then to the room for the grand ending.

San Diego has impressed me. I may have to come back and visit. Reminded me of my St. Louis trip. Both young ladies would like to come visit once I get back to my area.

Like normal, the First meeting I gave small gifts and gas money, 2nd night more of a regular donation. No complaints by either.

I never did hear from the original sb and I had an old flame fly in for the weekend to top the trip off the right way.

BigTigg.

As a side note. Was referred to the "Tinder" app by a sb. I've browsed, not sure I'm going to take the plunge, but it has potential.

A brand new SA member, a reasonably hot 19 year old SB, popped up on my scan tonight. Claims to be a single mother and just divorced and she favored me after I viewed her profile, so I dove right in.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ee102eae/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

Got to step 3 of the 5 step process ie.

"So let me ask you another question. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me. I am sure you are. Or will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them) . And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it. But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work".

Most of the time the response is "what did you have in mind" or something like that.

Her response was "How much do you typically pay per date? My price tag usually runs at $800, but I drop it for some".

I'm stumped on how to respond. I'm assuming that my standard offer in step 4 of $100 per date will be laughed at. Should I go ahead and offer her the standard and see?

[blue]We have the same problem down here in Argentina. I always tell them I only wanted a couple hours, I wasn't planning on taking them away for a week. It never works, but it makes me feel better. GPS is GPS and chicks that charge that much rarely are worth it. Most of them are convinced that they are so hot, and you are so lucky to just have them there that showing up is all they need to do.

Mis dos centavos

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