"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

This index / TOC is a great idea and a good start toward solving an increasing issue with this thread. You might consider creating a new thread that serves no other purpose other than to index specifics of interest in this one (assuming you are committed to keeping up with it). I wish I could contribute something to the effort other than the occasional post, some of which may be decent enough to index, but the reality is that I don't even read this thread every day. I check in every few days and for the most part quickly scan new content, if I have time I try to post something detailed (but most days I don't).

By putting the index in a separate thread, it will be easy to get to the latest / greatest index of salient posts. Admin would appreciate it too, I'm sure, since it would be much easier on his bandwidth demands.

I've always thought the thread needed something like an official FAQ, and this is a great start toward the same goal.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;2475760]Posts on how to handle contacting girls, setting up profiles, and handling initial negotiations. Note that these are in the order I found them, not chronological order:

John G Smith [POST=1580125]post #2285[/POST]: red / green / pro flags in profiles.

F Scott [POST=1579946]post #2288[/POST]: more red flags.

GuyWoodson [POST=1455478]post #1687[/POST]: general SA guidelines / approach.

John G Smith [POST=1509876]post #1898[/POST]: getting additional info via FB profiles, and unequal identity concerns.

HollywoodGuy [POST=1553685]post #2088[/POST]: First version of his stock contact message.

John G Smith [POST=1574111]post #2233[/POST]: screening guidelines and approaches.

HollywoodGuy [POST=1575503]post #2246[/POST]: direct approach and what girls want.

John G Smith [POST=1576019]post #2250[/POST]: caution with message wording.

SubCmdr [POST=1622449]post #2409[/POST]: blunt approach to intentions.

Obx Fun [POST=1113937]post #15[/POST]: general approach.

ThudPucker [POST=1120458]post #24[/POST]: honesty in intentions.

Literal2 [POST=1157063]post #75[/POST]: filtering time wasters.

Literal2 [POST=1188718]post #233[/POST]: general approach.

Literal2 [POST=1196733]post #294[/POST]: more approaches.

F Scott [POST=1198710]post #300[/POST]: thoughts after posting a fake SB profile.

BigTigger [POST=1221918]post #405[/POST]: approach for using the AM site.

Literal2 [POST=1353075]post #914[/POST]: getting an agreement.

Coolhand2 [POST=1353667]post #918[/POST]: first-time meetings right at the FC.

F Scott [POST=1354496]post #941[/POST]: contact using words from their profile.

HollywoodGuy [POST=1756019]post #3320[/POST]: approaching sugar as a salesperson.

HollywoodGuy [POST=1843896]post #4222[/POST]: looking for a "friendly handshake" on the sale.

Revvo [POST=1886986]post #4711[/POST]: adjusting your approach to match their expectations.

F Scott [POST=1916017]post #5015[/POST]: polishing your profile and first message.

Revvo [POST=1933910]post #5116[/POST]: being patient with an "abundance mentality".

Pats Fan1 [POST=1968223]post #5340[/POST]: confidence and contacts.

UKnowWho [POST=2022844]post #5583[/POST]: avoid "spoiled" and "pampered".

John G Smith [POST=2079759]post #5997[/POST]: asking for pics to help filter prospects.

JeezLizard [POST=2090641]post #6101[/POST]: organizing and tracking prospects.

DirtyDeeds38 [POST=2097811]post #6189[/POST]: filtering and contacting approach.

DirtyDeeds38 [POST=2114380]post #6395[/POST]: mentioning sugar and handling expectations.

FredMoore [POST=2114428]post #6396[/POST]: making expectations clear.

John G Smith [POST=2114890]post #6397[/POST]: caution with negotiating money.

FotoGuy1970 [POST=2143215]post #6693[/POST]: answers to approach questions.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2173253]post #6956[/POST]: Second version of his stock contact message.

ThirdCoaster [POST=2176203]post #6974[/POST]: consistency between profile and message.

F Scott [POST=2291922]post #7787[/POST]: quickly contacting new additions to the site.

JeezLizard [POST=2350423]post #8243[/POST]: explanation for girls saying "I won't do. " in their profiles.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2350764]post #8252[/POST]: Third version of his 5 Steps message.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2357362]post #8296[/POST]: templates for mentioning donations.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2422013]post #8850[/POST]: selectiveness and negotiating.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2442186]post #8978[/POST]: Responding to a GPS request.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2476991]This index / TOC is a great idea and a good start toward solving an increasing issue with this thread. You might consider creating a new thread that serves no other purpose other than to index specifics of interest in this one (assuming you are committed to keeping up with it). I wish I could contribute something to the effort other than the occasional post, some of which may be decent enough to index, but the reality is that I don't even read this thread every day. I check in every few days and for the most part quickly scan new content, if I have time I try to post something detailed (but most days I don't).

By putting the index in a separate thread, it will be easy to get to the latest / greatest index of salient posts. Admin would appreciate it too, I'm sure, since it would be much easier on his bandwidth demands.

I've always thought the thread needed something like an official FAQ, and this is a great start toward the same goal.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think there's general agreement on some kind of FAQ or index. The big issue is location. Admin objected to me actually pasting post contents on an external site, but just links might be acceptable. Still, ultimately the issue is that there's no "HERE'S THE FAQ" link hanging at the top of the thread, and any index posts like that one will themselves get pushed back in the archives and become non-obvious.

Wasn't specifically looking to keep adding new stuff on an ongoing basis, but since I did all this bookmarking and excerpting during my readthrough, figured I might as well share.

Open to suggestions. In the meantime, I'll keep trying to put these together when I have time.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;2477091]Yeah, I think there's general agreement on some kind of FAQ or index. The big issue is location. Admin objected to me actually pasting post contents on an external site, but just links might be acceptable. Still, ultimately the issue is that there's no "HERE'S THE FAQ" link hanging at the top of the thread, and any index posts like that one will themselves get pushed back in the archives and become non-obvious.

Wasn't specifically looking to keep adding new stuff on an ongoing basis, but since I did all this bookmarking and excerpting during my readthrough, figured I might as well share.

Open to suggestions. In the meantime, I'll keep trying to put these together when I have time.[/QUOTE]I fully understand the reasons Admin wouldn't want external links. But if you posted the index in a new user blog section as a new thread, it would sit in the same area as the "Stupid Bullshit that has nothing to do with getting laid" link, yet be of infinitely more use. Even if you labeled the thread something obscure, and it was occasionally referenced here, it is still better than the only alternative that comes to mind, which is posting the index once every week or two (and yes unfortunately I've seen that happen in USASG threads simply for lack of ideas of an alternative). Having the table of contents in a separate thread makes it easier to find the latest and greatest TOC post.

I would like to verify some statements that I have been told by my SB. She is in the Southwest VA area, her profile on SA is now deleted. Profile name: double fun 2015 . She would do doubles with a friend and singles. Profile said they were in the Wytheville, VA area. I would appreciate a PM from anyone that met or had contact with them / her. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2476066]Now that is something I totally don't get, I don't care how much money you have. There are hot girls everywhere, why would anyone ever need to import someone? Orlando is not a small town. I get contacted a lot by girls from San Diego, which is 4-5 hours away. I figure most of them are scams, but even if they aren't I could never meet all the girls in my area, why add the extra layer of expense of trying to bring someone in from out of town?[/QUOTE]I agree, but if he was looking for Asians only then that narrows the pool down quite a bit. I know there are probably still a considerable amount of Asians in Orlando. I do know this guy is Asian and owns several hotels. What I know about Asian men with money is they will throw it around without blinking an eye.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2476213]We all know everyone has a price (who is on SA anyway) . At these prices most of us would have 100% success with any SB here. I suspect that guys who pay that kind of dough have to. Imagine a fat, bald, unattractive guy with no game. What would it take for a 22 yr old hottie to hit that? Lots of money.

Auction fever (HG) makes sense . Perhaps some loaded guy will throw out a number to capture and awe some Princess . His penis(and wallet) is bigger than ours LOL . I guess if i had an extra $10 K /month that I wouldn't miss I would do it too .[/QUOTE]The funny thing was when she got back I asked "well how did it go?" She reply was meh it was okay. You see the thing is this woman is from China and doesn't like how the men treat the women there. She grew up in that culture and now that she is out she can't see herself ever settling down with an Asian man for that reason. This guy pretty much had her stay at the hotel until he wanted to see her. He was a busy guy in his career according to her.

His deal to her was that he would give her $1500 per month and he would fly her down there once or twice per month. After six months the allowance would move to $2500 per month. He had this deal with a prior Asian student over from China until her student visa expired and she had to do back.

If you're wondering how I know about his situation is because it is my hot ex-wife who I introduced to SA LOL. I talked to HG recently about not tiring of the pussy just the person. That is her. We're still good friends and she actually wants to marry and have a child. I did not want any more kids with what I've experienced in family court, so we amiably got a dissolution. This was one Asian not out for blood in family court like th American mother of my children.

FM, very logical reasoning. I think it holds true often. As an aside, based on my experience, many (but not all) women fail at logical reasoning. More often than not, I've found women to be driven by emotion. This is how I explain how some of these babies have no problem passing up what would otherwise be an arrangement that works in their favor. It also explains why some will often offer to give up their allowance to stay with a SD when they feel him slipping away.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2476418]What happens to most of us, a SB accepts a reasonable amount of allowance and goes on to enjoy a long term relationship for each other's mutual satisfaction. They are ultimately the winners because they can amass a nice savings account or at least pay a few recurring bills. The losers who are looking for the pie in the sky home run mostly collect NO (0) money and sit on the computer waiting for Prince Charming to show up. Few and far between I'm sure, but it does happen. Some girls on the SA blog I lurk on from time to time hit the lottery. One posts regularly and is now married to some gazillionaire software SD and is living the dream (so she says) . I tell my Pots all the time that if they had come to me early on they would have been piling up the $$-and having some fun to boot. Shoot! If someone was giving me $1000/ month for minimal time investment just to get laid 4 times / month I would love it. If I had to pop a fat 50 yr old lady for that I'd probably put on my acting shoes, take a pill and do my duty.[/QUOTE]

What a great compilation. I know for one the search function on this board is at best passable. WELL DONE!

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;2475760]Posts on how to handle contacting girls, setting up profiles, and handling initial negotiations. Note that these are in the order I found them, not chronological order:

John G Smith [POST=1580125]post #2285[/POST]: red / green / pro flags in profiles.

F Scott [POST=1579946]post #2288[/POST]: more red flags.

GuyWoodson [POST=1455478]post #1687[/POST]: general SA guidelines / approach.

John G Smith [POST=1509876]post #1898[/POST]: getting additional info via FB profiles, and unequal identity concerns.

HollywoodGuy [POST=1553685]post #2088[/POST]: First version of his stock contact message.

John G Smith [POST=1574111]post #2233[/POST]: screening guidelines and approaches.

HollywoodGuy [POST=1575503]post #2246[/POST]: direct approach and what girls want.

John G Smith [POST=1576019]post #2250[/POST]: caution with message wording.

SubCmdr [POST=1622449]post #2409[/POST]: blunt approach to intentions.

Obx Fun [POST=1113937]post #15[/POST]: general approach.

ThudPucker [POST=1120458]post #24[/POST]: honesty in intentions.

Literal2 [POST=1157063]post #75[/POST]: filtering time wasters.

Literal2 [POST=1188718]post #233[/POST]: general approach.

Literal2 [POST=1196733]post #294[/POST]: more approaches.

F Scott [POST=1198710]post #300[/POST]: thoughts after posting a fake SB profile.

BigTigger [POST=1221918]post #405[/POST]: approach for using the AM site.

Literal2 [POST=1353075]post #914[/POST]: getting an agreement.

Coolhand2 [POST=1353667]post #918[/POST]: first-time meetings right at the FC.

F Scott [POST=1354496]post #941[/POST]: contact using words from their profile.

HollywoodGuy [POST=1756019]post #3320[/POST]: approaching sugar as a salesperson.

HollywoodGuy [POST=1843896]post #4222[/POST]: looking for a "friendly handshake" on the sale.

Revvo [POST=1886986]post #4711[/POST]: adjusting your approach to match their expectations.

F Scott [POST=1916017]post #5015[/POST]: polishing your profile and first message.

Revvo [POST=1933910]post #5116[/POST]: being patient with an "abundance mentality".

Pats Fan1 [POST=1968223]post #5340[/POST]: confidence and contacts.

UKnowWho [POST=2022844]post #5583[/POST]: avoid "spoiled" and "pampered".

John G Smith [POST=2079759]post #5997[/POST]: asking for pics to help filter prospects.

JeezLizard [POST=2090641]post #6101[/POST]: organizing and tracking prospects.

DirtyDeeds38 [POST=2097811]post #6189[/POST]: filtering and contacting approach.

DirtyDeeds38 [POST=2114380]post #6395[/POST]: mentioning sugar and handling expectations.

FredMoore [POST=2114428]post #6396[/POST]: making expectations clear.

John G Smith [POST=2114890]post #6397[/POST]: caution with negotiating money.

FotoGuy1970 [POST=2143215]post #6693[/POST]: answers to approach questions.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2173253]post #6956[/POST]: Second version of his stock contact message.

ThirdCoaster [POST=2176203]post #6974[/POST]: consistency between profile and message.

F Scott [POST=2291922]post #7787[/POST]: quickly contacting new additions to the site.

JeezLizard [POST=2350423]post #8243[/POST]: explanation for girls saying "I won't do. " in their profiles.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2350764]post #8252[/POST]: Third version of his 5 Steps message.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2357362]post #8296[/POST]: templates for mentioning donations.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2422013]post #8850[/POST]: selectiveness and negotiating.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2442186]post #8978[/POST]: Responding to a GPS request.[/QUOTE]

I just spent the last 24 hours with my little friend. I think she is so sweet and adorable. I can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with her. Hey dude, if you're reading this, you better take a crash course on how to treat your woman like the hottie she is before she finds someone else that will. And there is no need to worry about me because as you know I've already got my hands full.

[QUOTE=CaneBay;2477308]I would like to verify some statements that I have been told by my SB. She is in the Southwest VA area, her profile on SA is now deleted. Profile name: double fun 2015 . She would do doubles with a friend and singles. Profile said they were in the Wytheville, VA area. I would appreciate a PM from anyone that met or had contact with them / her. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I had contact with them. Emailed several photos of themselves that matched their stories, profiles and other details. Too far / pricey for my area.

Told a fellow SD about them, he felt they were bona fide, set up meet with them in 'noke, but they had to resked. No further info.

Decided to move on from my main SB (was getting in too much of a routine with her, and her needs keeps growing as our arrangement progressed). Based on our last exchange, I left things open ended with her. I noticed that she has since put her profile on SA back up. I wish her the best, but suspect she will probably be one of those babies I see once every few months when I am in need of a change, but am too busy to play the game.

With some future openings in my schedule, I scheduled something with a SB that I keep in rotation because its easy with her and drama free but decided to re-up the SA account, to see if I could maximize my hotel expenses. I also went back to one or two prior pots from the winter.

Lots of new pots, but plenty of old profiles as well. Many of these girls have it down to a science and I saw plenty of old profiles that were complete tear down and rebuilds. Some of these babies love to adverise that they are new to the bowl, when they are not (in the the / m / v area I've noticed that "activebby" has gone through three iterations of her account, and can't remember what her last two screen names were. Although she doesn't pretend to be a fresh new innocent thing. I guess these babies can become quickly jaded when playing in the bowl for to long. Even at the young age of 18). Old wine in new wineskins I guess.

Sent out about twenty messages last night and spent the morning trading messages with four new pots. Should be interesting to see if seasonality plays a role in the bowl. With summer here and the economy still less than booming, I'm untreated to see how many of these young college coeds might end up in my rotation.

And for all the newbs on the board, the advice has been provided time and time again, but seriously, be nice to these babies on both the front and the back ends (literally and figuratively). I've found that kindness goes a long way in keeping a black book with a long list of options.

I had not seen one of my longest running SB's in several months, because of my travel and things going on in her life. We kept in touch occasionally through email, but I wasn't sure if we would hook up again. A couple of weeks ago I sent her a note and asked if she wanted to get together, and she enthusiastically agreed. When she came by my place we hugged and sat down to catch up for a few minutes. She told me it had been awhile since she had any good sex and that she was really glad to see me. Being a gentleman, I obliged. As she was leaving I pressed my usual gift into her hand and she said "Not necessary, I think we are past that". I went ahead and put it in her purse but after she left I thought about what she had said. A few days later when she was back to see me I just gave her a big hug as she was leaving and no mention was made of allowance. We have plans to see each other again next week, and I don't plan on any cash then either. I'm curious to see if she is really serious about getting off the payroll or whether this will change things.

It really is interesting how the tide goes in and out in the Sugar ocean. I have the SB who is being weaned from the payroll I mentioned before and one new girl who wants to just hang out, have drinks on the patio and do sleepovers, for a very modest allowance, so things are good, but I see a dry spell of new babies coming on. A month or so ago I couldn't schedule all of the M&G's that were to be had because there were just too many. In the last week or so the responses to my intro have pretty much stopped, and the couple of girls that I have chatted up have been completely off the wall in their expectations. One of my long time girls has gone silent, and my favorite little Latina teen has completely rebuffed me. I guess a SD's work is never done, and one should always be cultivating the next little flower.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2479268]We have plans to see each other again next week, and I don't plan on any cash then either. I'm curious to see if she is really serious about getting off the payroll or whether this will change things.[/QUOTE]I have only had, and still see here and there, one girl off an SD site that absolutely has refused payment from the very first date. She isn't totally my type but gives the best oral of any girl I have ever known. On other threads I have read of a few mongers that after a few months with a girl, she then refused payment. Every girl wants a to be in a "real" relationship. For my girl she says it would ruin it for her if she took my money.

Well it finally came up in convo last night that my ATF doesn't feel like she is my GF because all we do is fuck and never hang out. I started calling her that a few months back because I knew its what she needed to hear. She says I don't treat her any different than any other girl I fuck. Which isn't totally true, because I fuck her far more than any other girl and she knows that. But it took an hour and a half of txting over 2 days to smooth things over. Well worth the effort in her case. Plus I am still hurting from my last X that I really wanted to be my dream GF. That I hung out with all the time. And she was my GF. But her inability to satisfy ended that dream. This is why I fuck so many different girls. As awesome as they may be in one way, they are lacking in another. And I accept that. And I suspect that I am not alone in this scenario.

I will be seeing my little church girl tonite for date number nine. Every girl I see is usually a 10 in one way or another. And her ass is a 10 without a doubt. And she cant get enough of it. My ATF now says she absolutely wants a 3 some with her. And she knows she is an anal freak (something my ATF can live without). She says she wants to see just how into her ass I am. My worry is this is gonna start something I am not going to like. I personally am not a jealous person and I detest it in other people.

Cant we all just get along?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2477153]I fully understand the reasons Admin wouldn't want external links. But if you posted the index in a new user blog section as a new thread, it would sit in the same area as the "Stupid Bullshit that has nothing to do with getting laid" link, yet be of infinitely more use. Even if you labeled the thread something obscure, and it was occasionally referenced here, it is still better than the only alternative that comes to mind, which is posting the index once every week or two (and yes unfortunately I've seen that happen in USASG threads simply for lack of ideas of an alternative). Having the table of contents in a separate thread makes it easier to find the latest and greatest TOC post.[/QUOTE]Just tried hitting the New Thread link here in the Richmond forum, and got a permissions error message. Might be because I'm still a moderated newbie, but not sure.

I've got the remaining posts ready to go (with the process made easier thanks to a little bit of code automation). If someone wants to start a new "Sugarbaby Thread Highlights, Index, and FAQ" thread, I'll put all my posts up in there. If not, I can just go ahead and post them in here, and maybe a mod can move them later or something.