"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2474360]That logic is priceless, and pure female. I just lost one of my favorites, a 19 year old latina who was absolutely stunning and wild in bed. In her break up text she told me that she thought I wanted something too serious (hah) and oh, by the way, she had met someone willing to pay her 300. I was giving her my standard 120, and when we started she was ecstatic about it. I just wish guys would stop overpaying these girls.[/QUOTE]I have one special girl that could be GF material. Occasionally she flakes or wants to be alone. She says that's all there is. I never make a point to ask about other SD's or even guys she may date regularly. My guess is she has another SB and may juggle around depending on what she needs. I think for me, it's more a GF / BF need and the $$ is a plus. I can tell sometimes she needs me for emotional support. Each time we meet up she'll randomly give me strong, locking hugs. As of late, I mostly take care of some small travel needs or pocket cash.

In short, whoever the guy is that's spoiling my SB could you please stop! I'd prefer to spend my time with her only; but this prick is causing me to pull SB's from the backup roster. LOL. I jokingly told my SB it was her fault I renewed my membership.

After following a few months of your SA advice / posts (led by HWG. Thank you) I have entered the sugar bowl after 2 years in the hobby. Some of the responses are replying back to my SA message, not my email address. I noticed today that SA is putting this statement on their message page -.

"To ensure your privacy, do not share your account email or password with anyone under any circumstances. " So far I have just messaged them a second time to email me, but I am wondering if many have not responded at all due to the email request. Has anyone come up with an innocent reason to give a POTS why they need to respond to my email address as opposed to thru SA?

Also, for those who have responded to my email address with their email I have not been able to find their address through facebook. In my line of work I subscribe to some inexpensive background search engines such as [URL]www.spokeo.com[/URL], [URL]www.peoplesmart.com[/URL] and www. Intellius. These have been very helpful in researching my typical BP providers, but oddly have come up blank on the first 3 or 4 SB responses.

BTW guys I know most of the acronyms but what is GPS?

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;2475027]After following a few months of your SA advice / posts (led by HWG. Thank you) I have entered the sugar bowl after 2 years in the hobby. Some of the responses are replying back to my SA message, not my email address. I noticed today that SA is putting this statement on their message page -.

"To ensure your privacy, do not share your account email or password with anyone under any circumstances. " So far I have just messaged them a second time to email me, but I am wondering if many have not responded at all due to the email request. Has anyone come up with an innocent reason to give a POTS why they need to respond to my email address as opposed to thru SA?

Also, for those who have responded to my email address with their email I have not been able to find their address through facebook. In my line of work I subscribe to some inexpensive background search engines such as [URL]www.spokeo.com[/URL], [URL]www.peoplesmart.com[/URL] and www. Intellius. These have been very helpful in researching my typical BP providers, but oddly have come up blank on the first 3 or 4 SB responses.

BTW guys I know most of the acronyms but what is GPS?[/QUOTE]A big part of having them email you is setting a pattern of control. If you can't control them from the get go that's a red flag for me. Occasionally I will start sending them the steps through the site (if they insist) but after a few affirmative responses I will take them back to email. Absolutely step 5 has to be via email. Any girl that refuses I drop.
I have never made an exception to that rule. He who owns the gold makes the rules.

As promised, I'm going to put together some collections of links to useful posts earlier in the thread. We'll start with some definitions, a link to an earlier attempt to index useful posts, and some tips on formatting posts:

[B]Common Acronyms and Phrases on the USASG SB Richmond Thread[/B]

(collected by HollywoodGuy on his "Five Steps" page at [URL]http://coach4ula.wix.com/fivesteps[/URL]):

BCG. Booty call girl.

The Bowl. Short for sugar bowl.

FC. Fuck chamber.

GPS. Golden pussy syndrome.

HCB. Hot college babe.

HYB. Hot young babe.

M&G. Meet and greet.

Nando 1 - lowest level girl with a lot of drama.

POT. A potential SB.

SA - [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL].

SD4 M - [URL]sugardaddyforme.com[/URL].

SO. Signifigant other.

UTR. Under the radar (a pro on the down low).

[B]Girl Rating System[/B]

(per [POST=1858939]post #4363[/POST] and [POST=2224439]post #7265[/POST]).

Four numbers: Face / body / personality / skills or body / face / personality / skills.

Three numbers: face / body / skills (having the personality and skills in one number).

[B]Previous Index Posts[/B]

SubCmdr [POST=1694021]post #2773[/POST]. Points back to earlier posts on terms, security, rating systems, and gifts.

[B]Post Formatting Help[/B]

USA uses the vBulletin forum software, which allows posts to be formatted using a set of tags called BBCode. There's at list of formatting tags at [URL]https://www.vbulletin.org/forum/misc.php?do=bbcode[/URL]. Note that the "URL option" format doesn't seem to work on this board. I also have no idea why the board adds extra blank lines and mangles single-letter words.

On the other hand, there's a very useful tag for linking to specific posts on the board without using an entire URL. Enter it like this:

[NOPARSE][post=1694021]link description text here[/post][/NOPARSE] , where the post number is found at the end of the link you can copy from the upper-right corner of each post (like [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=1694021&viewfull=1#post1694021[/URL]).

There are some useful tools for writing formatted posts out there. I'm writing this in BBCEditor from [URL]http://fenixproductions.dcmembers.com/bbc/[/URL] , and there's others as well.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;2475027]After following a few months of your SA advice / posts (led by HWG. Thank you) I have entered the sugar bowl after 2 years in the hobby. Some of the responses are replying back to my SA message, not my email address. I noticed today that SA is putting this statement on their message page -.

"To ensure your privacy, do not share your account email or password with anyone under any circumstances. " So far I have just messaged them a second time to email me, but I am wondering if many have not responded at all due to the email request. Has anyone come up with an innocent reason to give a POTS why they need to respond to my email address as opposed to thru SA?

Also, for those who have responded to my email address with their email I have not been able to find their address through facebook. In my line of work I subscribe to some inexpensive background search engines such as [URL]www.spokeo.com[/URL], [URL]www.peoplesmart.com[/URL] and www. Intellius. These have been very helpful in researching my typical BP providers, but oddly have come up blank on the first 3 or 4 SB responses.

BTW guys I know most of the acronyms but what is GPS?[/QUOTE]The SA login uses an email address and a password. So if they give you the email address, that's one half of the equation. And some people use really simple passwords. So I'd suggest it isn't anything sinister from SA. If there's a problem, just ask if they have another email address that you can use. In fact, they might have another email address which they normally use, and that's why you can't find them on facebook with the SA login email.

GPS = Golden Pussy Syndrome.

Posts on how to handle contacting girls, setting up profiles, and handling initial negotiations. Note that these are in the order I found them, not chronological order:

John G Smith [POST=1580125]post #2285[/POST]: red / green / pro flags in profiles.

F Scott [POST=1579946]post #2288[/POST]: more red flags.

GuyWoodson [POST=1455478]post #1687[/POST]: general SA guidelines / approach.

John G Smith [POST=1509876]post #1898[/POST]: getting additional info via FB profiles, and unequal identity concerns.

HollywoodGuy [POST=1553685]post #2088[/POST]: First version of his stock contact message.

John G Smith [POST=1574111]post #2233[/POST]: screening guidelines and approaches.

HollywoodGuy [POST=1575503]post #2246[/POST]: direct approach and what girls want.

John G Smith [POST=1576019]post #2250[/POST]: caution with message wording.

SubCmdr [POST=1622449]post #2409[/POST]: blunt approach to intentions.

Obx Fun [POST=1113937]post #15[/POST]: general approach.

ThudPucker [POST=1120458]post #24[/POST]: honesty in intentions.

Literal2 [POST=1157063]post #75[/POST]: filtering time wasters.

Literal2 [POST=1188718]post #233[/POST]: general approach.

Literal2 [POST=1196733]post #294[/POST]: more approaches.

F Scott [POST=1198710]post #300[/POST]: thoughts after posting a fake SB profile.

BigTigger [POST=1221918]post #405[/POST]: approach for using the AM site.

Literal2 [POST=1353075]post #914[/POST]: getting an agreement.

Coolhand2 [POST=1353667]post #918[/POST]: first-time meetings right at the FC.

F Scott [POST=1354496]post #941[/POST]: contact using words from their profile.

HollywoodGuy [POST=1756019]post #3320[/POST]: approaching sugar as a salesperson.

HollywoodGuy [POST=1843896]post #4222[/POST]: looking for a "friendly handshake" on the sale.

Revvo [POST=1886986]post #4711[/POST]: adjusting your approach to match their expectations.

F Scott [POST=1916017]post #5015[/POST]: polishing your profile and first message.

Revvo [POST=1933910]post #5116[/POST]: being patient with an "abundance mentality".

Pats Fan1 [POST=1968223]post #5340[/POST]: confidence and contacts.

UKnowWho [POST=2022844]post #5583[/POST]: avoid "spoiled" and "pampered".

John G Smith [POST=2079759]post #5997[/POST]: asking for pics to help filter prospects.

JeezLizard [POST=2090641]post #6101[/POST]: organizing and tracking prospects.

DirtyDeeds38 [POST=2097811]post #6189[/POST]: filtering and contacting approach.

DirtyDeeds38 [POST=2114380]post #6395[/POST]: mentioning sugar and handling expectations.

FredMoore [POST=2114428]post #6396[/POST]: making expectations clear.

John G Smith [POST=2114890]post #6397[/POST]: caution with negotiating money.

FotoGuy1970 [POST=2143215]post #6693[/POST]: answers to approach questions.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2173253]post #6956[/POST]: Second version of his stock contact message.

ThirdCoaster [POST=2176203]post #6974[/POST]: consistency between profile and message.

F Scott [POST=2291922]post #7787[/POST]: quickly contacting new additions to the site.

JeezLizard [POST=2350423]post #8243[/POST]: explanation for girls saying "I won't do. " in their profiles.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2350764]post #8252[/POST]: Third version of his 5 Steps message.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2357362]post #8296[/POST]: templates for mentioning donations.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2422013]post #8850[/POST]: selectiveness and negotiating.

HollywoodGuy [POST=2442186]post #8978[/POST]: Responding to a GPS request.

My mom used to always say "I don't know what you have but if you could put it in a bottle and sell it you'd be rich". I think I like the idea of giving it away for free on this site better. If I really wanted to get rich I would just target the single GILFS in beverly hills. But I'd have to get a prescription for ICP and I,m not quite ready for that. Although I have considered it. And someone mentioned 80 mg cialis strips? Still haven't found those. Its on my to do list. Boston medical here we come. And one day we all will.

When I finally discovered facebook has a phone number connection. Duh. I went back through all my phone numbers and checked. About 50% were hits and I found out all sorts of info. Some were dead ends but most provided family pics, other info that was very useful. Knowledge is power in this game.

[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2475720]The SA login uses an email address and a password. So if they give you the email address, that's one half of the equation. And some people use really simple passwords. So I'd suggest it isn't anything sinister from SA. If there's a problem, just ask if they have another email address that you can use. In fact, they might have another email address which they normally use, and that's why you can't find them on facebook with the SA login email.

GPS = Golden Pussy Syndrome.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2474360]That logic is priceless, and pure female. I just lost one of my favorites, a 19 year old latina who was absolutely stunning and wild in bed. In her break up text she told me that she thought I wanted something too serious (hah) and oh, by the way, she had met someone willing to pay her 300. I was giving her my standard 120, and when we started she was ecstatic about it. I just wish guys would stop overpaying these girls.[/QUOTE]I'll second your post. I'm seeing it too much. Here's one for you. I know this hot Asian about 34 yrs old, 5'3" 100 lbs. One guy has been seeing her about two times per month at $800 per meet for the past 2/1/2 years, and another guy in Orlando flew her down for one day and flew her back the next day for $1500. Crazy stuff. I'll say it again. It is like hitting the lottery for some of the hot ones.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2475978] another guy in Orlando flew her down for one day and flew her back the next day for $1500.[/QUOTE]Now that is something I totally don't get, I don't care how much money you have. There are hot girls everywhere, why would anyone ever need to import someone? Orlando is not a small town. I get contacted a lot by girls from San Diego, which is 4-5 hours away. I figure most of them are scams, but even if they aren't I could never meet all the girls in my area, why add the extra layer of expense of trying to bring someone in from out of town?

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2475978]I'll second your post. I'm seeing it too much. Here's one for you. I know this hot Asian about 34 yrs old, 5'3" 100 lbs. One guy has been seeing her about two times per month at $800 per meet for the past 2/1/2 years, and another guy in Orlando flew her down for one day and flew her back the next day for $1500. Crazy stuff. I'll say it again. It is like hitting the lottery for some of the hot ones.[/QUOTE]If you have ever collected any item (stamps, coins, art) and got to the auction level point in your buying. It's a similar mindset. Your brain tells you that you "must" have that. You will outbid anyone to get it. It's called "auction fever". No difference here. And you get bragging rights. It's a rich mans pastime. Cars, girls, whatever.

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption[/URL]

After the dozens of girls asking me for 1k a date on SA I have to assume some of them are getting it.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2475978]I'll second your post. I'm seeing it too much. Here's one for you. I know this hot Asian about 34 yrs old, 5'3" 100 lbs. One guy has been seeing her about two times per month at $800 per meet for the past 2/1/2 years, and another guy in Orlando flew her down for one day and flew her back the next day for $1500. Crazy stuff. I'll say it again. It is like hitting the lottery for some of the hot ones.[/QUOTE]We all know everyone has a price (who is on SA anyway) . At these prices most of us would have 100% success with any SB here. I suspect that guys who pay that kind of dough have to. Imagine a fat, bald, unattractive guy with no game. What would it take for a 22 yr old hottie to hit that? Lots of money.

Auction fever (HG) makes sense . Perhaps some loaded guy will throw out a number to capture and awe some Princess . His penis(and wallet) is bigger than ours LOL . I guess if i had an extra $10 K /month that I wouldn't miss I would do it too .

Glad to see this kind of info being posted. When I hit the link, the profile was gone. Just like they do in the BP forums, we should be sharing this kind of info to help keep quality control.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2474316]Here is a scammer.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ea76fc6e/view[/URL]

She did the whole routine of.

* my baby is sick.

* I will come over but don't have gas.

* Send me money for gas and the baby sitter with [B]Western Union.[/B].

Holy shit.

It was funny that I just read a fellow brother got scammed a few threads ago.

As soon as she said in her text, like the second text, that her baby was sick, I knew something was up.

And, no, I didn't send anything.

I just stayed polite.

These scammers are unbelievable.

Wait, wait she is texting me again. I wonder what she is going to come up with next.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2476192]If you have ever collected any item (stamps, coins, art) and got to the auction level point in your buying. It's a similar mindset. Your brain tells you that you "must" have that. You will outbid anyone to get it. It's called "auction fever". No difference here. And you get bragging rights. It's a rich mans pastime. Cars, girls, whatever.

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption[/URL]

After the dozens of girls asking me for 1k a date on SA I have to assume some of them are getting it.[/QUOTE]I have to agree some of them are getting it. I think it is very rare for a girl to get that kind of allowance for a prolonged period of time. Either the guy has more money than he needs and keeps going from one girl to the next or he has to overcome some very negative characteristics about himself (fat, ugly, poor hygiene, extreme fetishes, jealousy, etc).

Many girls get drawn into the life with promise of finding a rich handsome gentlemen willing to spoil them rotten. Most either lower their expectations or leave the lifestyle. There is very little we can do to make them lower their expectations other than to let them learn it for themselves.

I've had some success with a few girls that reduced their financial expectations after seeing reality. Others have vanished from the site. Either they found their prince charming (unlikely) or they gave up trying.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2476390]I have to agree some of them are getting it. I think it is very rare for a girl to get that kind of allowance for a prolonged period of time. Either the guy has more money than he needs and keeps going from one girl to the next or he has to overcome some very negative characteristics about himself (fat, ugly, poor hygiene, extreme fetishes, jealousy, etc).

Many girls get drawn into the life with promise of finding a rich handsome gentlemen willing to spoil them rotten. Most either lower their expectations or leave the lifestyle. There is very little we can do to make them lower their expectations other than to let them learn it for themselves.

I've had some success with a few girls that reduced their financial expectations after seeing reality. Others have vanished from the site. Either they found their prince charming (unlikely) or they gave up trying.[/QUOTE]What happens to most of us, a SB accepts a reasonable amount of allowance and goes on to enjoy a long term relationship for each other's mutual satisfaction. They are ultimately the winners because they can amass a nice savings account or at least pay a few recurring bills. The losers who are looking for the pie in the sky home run mostly collect NO (0) money and sit on the computer waiting for Prince Charming to show up. Few and far between I'm sure, but it does happen. Some girls on the SA blog I lurk on from time to time hit the lottery. One posts regularly and is now married to some gazillionaire software SD and is living the dream (so she says) . I tell my Pots all the time that if they had come to me early on they would have been piling up the $$-and having some fun to boot. Shoot! If someone was giving me $1000/ month for minimal time investment just to get laid 4 times / month I would love it. If I had to pop a fat 50 yr old lady for that I'd probably put on my acting shoes, take a pill and do my duty.