"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

What a difference a couple of weeks make. I have to say I now understand what some of you were saying a little bit more. My first few months in the bowl were like a kid in a candy store. Especially because I was playing two cities -- many options, many leads, and my first few experiences ranged from good to mind-blowing. However, the last month has been more sobering. I've had a couple of flakes, a couple of women who were outright deceptive (when I called one out on her changes in location she totally banned me), and more than a few women who gave me a bad feeling.

I also met a couple of women who were less than great (though at least to my credit I managed to schedule them on the same hotel room). I did also pull off a freebie with a younger woman. So that was kind of cool. (Though really, it felt justified to me because (a) I picked up the hotel tab and (b) she definitely got the better end of the orgasm tally.).

Finally, now that I've been at this for a few months, I see how the newcomer supply is limited.

Still loving it but maybe a little more realistic about its limitations. I find DC (my home base) to be challenging. Tough to arrange hotels at a reasonable price and I worry about the paper trail. Lots of trashy looking girls that I am just not into. But Boston still seems like a great place for when I travel and the built in hotel makes things more convenient. Even if it limits the search radius.

Anyway thanks to all for the tips.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2466760]I see that a lot these days, but it's all because how the system is rigged to give all the power to the female in a marriage. The man has no choice. If he wants out then he loses many assets, and gets set back financially for long time in some situations.[/QUOTE]I live in a fairly upscale neighborhood. And when I see these guys with their horrendous looking wives I just want to shake them. At least when I was married I had a slender sexy wife, (even if she was a handful). But these guys (who obviously have good jobs) and maybe they arent don juans, but damn I almost feel sorry for them. Even the guy across the street from me, who is young and very good looking, fucks these slightly above average babes. I want to shake him too. LOL.

But I was there too. It was actually my first SB (pictured) that clued me in to my potential (a real nando 1) but a 10 in looks. My self esteem was low and she took advantage of that. But at the same time she was gold digging the crap out of me (I paid for those beverly hills boobs and a lot more) she helped point me in the right direction. And I slowly started to see the light.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2466770]I live in a fairly upscale neighborhood. And when I see these guys with their horrendous looking wives I just want to shake them. At least when I was married I had a slender sexy wife (even if she was a handful). But these guys (who obviously have good jobs) and maybe they arent don juans, but damn I almost feel sorry for them. Even the guy across the street from me, who is young and very good looking, fucks these slightly above average babes. I want to shake him too. LOL.

But I was there too. It was actually my first SB (pictured) that clued me in to my potential (a real nando 1) but a 10 in looks. My self esteem was low and she took advantage of that. But at the same time she was gold digging the crap out of me (I paid for those boobs and a lot more) she helped point me in the right direction. And I slowly started to see the light.[/QUOTE]Yeah I see that all too often too. The guys look fit and together, but you look at their wives and they have big asses and generally don't look good. My wife too was a hot Chinese woman 20 years younger than me, but took amazing good care of herself and had the best tasting pussy you would ever have. She is 34 now. Last night I'm with my 20 year old SB for the second time in the FC and I couldn't get over the smell of her pussy. It was a complete dick softener for me. I got spoiled on clean sweet tasting pussy for too long I guess, but without that I still cannot take a woman who doesn't take good care of her stuff. I will be firing this young one.

Having said that my ex was hot and the sex was great, but still at a certain point I got tired of it. Men were not born to be with one pussy. It's not in our nature, at least for most of us I would guess. I'll speak for myself. I can enjoy a 10 for a while and maybe for a year or two, but there still comes that point that I will tire of that pussy.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2466789]Yeah I see that all too often too. The guys look fit and together, but you look at their wives and they have big asses and generally don't look good. My wife too was a hot Chinese woman 20 years younger than me, but took amazing good care of herself and had the best tasting pussy you would ever have. She is 34 now. Last night I'm with my 20 year old SB for the second time in the FC and I couldn't get over the smell of her pussy. It was a complete dick softener for me. I got spoiled on clean sweet tasting pussy for too long I guess, but without that I still cannot take a woman who doesn't take good care of her stuff. I will be firing this young one.

Having said that my ex was hot and the sex was great, but still at a certain point I got tired of it. Men were not born to be with one pussy. It's not in our nature, at least for most of us I would guess. I'll speak for myself. I can enjoy a 10 for a while and maybe for a year or two, but there still comes that point that I will tire of that pussy.[/QUOTE]The funny thing was for me, I never got tired of the sex with my SO. After 15 years it was still the best I had had up to that point. It was her I got tired of. And I also am kinda picky. No girl is going to get past a few dates with out a pussy like cherry pie. Or for the very few that do, due to other skill sets, I just don't go down there, and I don't care if they are sad about it or not. But I doubt any guy on here gets in a LTR with any SB that isn't way above average. No reason to do it any other way.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2466459]Ditch her. Till she crawls back. And if she doesn't. On to the next. I don't like mind games. Its pay to play and you paid. I have overpaid here and there and in the long run its a bad policy unless all the cards are on the table.[/QUOTE]Thanks hollywoodguy! She's been really flaky lately and only blows me up when she needs something. I've been around her enough for her to know exactly what to say to get what she wants. I give her the cash and then silence. The funniest thing is that she claims to have been on her rag for about a month now bahaha. It's always some lame ass excuse about why she can't play, why she can't meet, or if she says she'll meet she won't show!

Bachatas. You have encountered crazy in its truest female form. The kind of crazy that thinks she loves you because you have money and are probably a nice guy.

If the honeymoon phase is over, its time to cut off all contact and get back into the game. The fact that she expected you to help with her $600 is a sure sign that you are generous with your babies. She may have the body of a porn star, but there are too many new pots and new flavors to sample to be dealing with crazy.

Besides, you have your ATF sororiety girl in the background. You'll have two more slumbers to replace that sort of crazy you're currently dealing with.

[QUOTE=Bachatas13;2466304]Hello fellow bowlers.

Well it's been a while since my last post. I've been in the bowl for about 2 yrs now and have been able to meet many young ladies and have had a blast with every single one of them. Now I am in need of a little advice from the seniors and those that have been in the bowl for a while.

I still stay in touch with my atf sorority girl and have hard a great sb / sd relationship with her with absolutely no complaints. I see her every two weeks and she always manages to keep things fresh and fun.

My problem is with a girl that I've seen for about 9 months. As many of you are aware we have now past our honeymoon phase and things have gotten way way more complicated than I thought. About two months ago she claimed she had feelings for me and she was ready to be exclusive. The problem is that I am married and obviously doesn't understand the concept of a side chick. She would get mad and get the point where she would almost cry when I left because as she put it "it was hard to watch me leave knowing I would be going back her" I tried to give her space so she could think of what she really wanted and that pissed her off too! Well come to find out she had a boyfriend the whole time she had been seeing me! Which was a complete surprise to me. Obviously it's not my problem and honestly I don't really mind if she did or not.

Lately she's been throwing his name in our conversations and telling me about him and what he does. Again I couldn't care less so I made that really clear to her. Since she claimed to have feeling for me and me given her space she hasn't been willing to give up the sugar because according to her it's now so much harder because of the feelings she has and it would only trigger more feelings! She's a total hottie and has a body of a porn star!! I have been willing to keep my end of our arrangement but she has been unwilling to keep her end!! I'm getting to the point where I feel it has become a one sided relationship where I'm dishing all the cash in return for nothing.

This is the last text I got from her after I refused to help her with $600 she needed:

"after last night. You clearly don't really care. It's just all about the money to you. When you told me you wanted to help me with it. I didn't think about money. I thought about the feelin of someone havin my back and encouraging me to do something new. Something I might really enjoy. But I guess I took it wrong. Cause you make it out to be so difficult. And it's all about "money".

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]

Bachatas: come to find out she had a boyfriend the whole time she had been seeing me!

She is using you and pulling out all the stops to make you feel all soft and fuzzy. She is probably in on this with the BF who is using your allowance to blow up his nose. By one sided I assume that means she isn't putting out? That is a 100% deal breaker right there assuming you haven't let her get away with it. My guess is that she will create drama for you when you try to get rid of her. That will be part of the end game where she extorts you by threatening to tell the wife. Get out!

Based on past experience, cville isn't a good market to be in for any hobbying activities in any form. Competition in all its forms increases quality across the board and drives down prices. Unless of course the competition is coming from the other side.

West coast seems to be where its at for this kind of lifestyle, and all hobby activities. Lots of hot young ladies from all over the country flock there with dreams of making it in entertainment. The next step of going into porn, joining the bowl, p411, or backpage is just a different way of making a living based on your looks, and pays a heck of a lot better than a waitress job. Besides, its just another way to make ends meet until they hit it big right?

I've found that local college markets with lots of state schools within a few hours from big cities are best. UVA being the exception of course. Towson, VCU, Vtech, you Del, are great. Cities with high concentrations of private schools (boston, dc, NYC) tend to have co-eds with high expectations. Co-eds from state schools tend to grow up in homes with parents of less means, and so I've found these young ladies are more appreciative even at lower allowance ranges.

My hypothesis on UVA is that because of its academic reputation, it attracts a lot of out of state students. The out of state tuition is on par with private schools, which means many of these young ladies come from backgrounds where their parents have money. A few hundred dollars isn't going to make or break them. Also, because the school is so competitive for in state students, the in state students UVA gets come from parents who invested in their child's education, which again means these young ladies aren't as strapped for cash.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2465997]Are you in Richmond? Cville has very different market dynamics -- have yet to find anyone here that is at least a 8/8 that will visit the FC for less than $250, and that is a few hours max. And Its not just me. A few gents in market are finding the same price points.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bachatas13;2466967]Thanks hollywoodguy! She's been really flaky lately and only blows me up when she needs something. I've been around her enough for her to know exactly what to say to get what she wants. I give her the cash and then silence. The funniest thing is that she claims to have been on her rag for about a month now bahaha. It's always some lame ass excuse about why she can't play, why she can't meet, or if she says she'll meet she won't show![/QUOTE]My top two girls and my new booty call girl are all on the rag this week. I think it's part of a vast right wing conspiracy against me.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2466789]Yeah I see that all too often too. The guys look fit and together, but you look at their wives and they have big asses and generally don't look good. My wife too was a hot Chinese woman 20 years younger than me, but took amazing good care of herself and had the best tasting pussy you would ever have. She is 34 now. Last night I'm with my 20 year old SB for the second time in the FC and I couldn't get over the smell of her pussy. It was a complete dick softener for me. I got spoiled on clean sweet tasting pussy for too long I guess, but without that I still cannot take a woman who doesn't take good care of her stuff. I will be firing this young one.

Having said that my ex was hot and the sex was great, but still at a certain point I got tired of it. Men were not born to be with one pussy. It's not in our nature, at least for most of us I would guess. I'll speak for myself. I can enjoy a 10 for a while and maybe for a year or two, but there still comes that point that I will tire of that pussy.[/QUOTE]Just remember, when you look at any hot chick, there is always someone out there that determined as hot as she is she's just not worth it.

I've heard something like that before:

Show me a hot chick, and I'll show you a guy tired of fucking her.

It's [B]always[/B] true.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2467460]Just remember, when you look at any hot chick, there is always someone out there that determined as hot as she is she's just not worth it.[/QUOTE]

Last night I'm with my 20 year old SB for the second time in the FC and I couldn't get over the smell of her pussy. Mike.

This can be treated so do her (and the SDs to follow you) a favor and tell her to go to her Gyn. If she's great in every other way maybe it's fixable.

Fellow bowlers,

Not sure where else to ask, so I will ask you guys.

I finally decided to get some Viagra to deal with the horny 23-year old SB.

I went to CVS today.

My cardiologist ordered 8 Viagra pills, 25 mg dose. Total cost $329 !

8 for $329 ?
One 25 mg Viagra for $41.00 ?

And I know 25 mg doesn't do anything for me I asked for 100 mg and he sent for 25 mg.

I thought it was more like $15/20 depending on the dosage.

How much are you guys paying for a 100 Mg or 50 mg Viagra?

Also, does anyone have a recommendation to get it cheaper from Canada?

Let me know, I could use some help here, she gets so god damn horny. But I am not paying $40 for a 25 mg that dos nothing for me.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2467983]Fellow bowlers,

Not sure where else to ask, so I will ask you guys.

I finally decided to get some Viagra to deal with the horny 23-year old SB.

I went to CVS today.

My cardiologist ordered 8 Viagra pills, 25 mg dose. Total cost $329 !

8 for $329 ?
One 25 mg Viagra for $41.00 ?

And I know 25 mg doesn't do anything for me I asked for 100 mg and he sent for 25 mg.

I thought it was more like $15/20 depending on the dosage.

How much are you guys paying for a 100 Mg or 50 mg Viagra?

Also, does anyone have a recommendation to get it cheaper from Canada?

Let me know, I could use some help here, she gets so god damn horny. But I am not paying $40 for a 25 mg that dos nothing for me.[/QUOTE]Get 5 mg cialis. Its coverd by insurance.

[QUOTE=Bachatas13;2466967]Thanks hollywoodguy! She's been really flaky lately and only blows me up when she needs something. I've been around her enough for her to know exactly what to say to get what she wants. I give her the cash and then silence. The funniest thing is that she claims to have been on her rag for about a month now bahaha. It's always some lame ass excuse about why she can't play, why she can't meet, or if she says she'll meet she won't show![/QUOTE]I would ditch that in a New York minute.