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[QUOTE=EricB;1460141]Hey. I want to get in on the fun and games but don't have a ton of cash. Any good deals out there?[/QUOTE]Whether a rate is a good deal depends on your perspective.
For some $50, others $100, while still others could be $500.
Read the ads and take someone for a spin.
I will be going there in August. I have not been since 2008. I used scorpsguide then and now its gone. This one, indys and TBD seem to be some what dead.
Any Advice would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Fitter
[QUOTE=ProFromDover;1460999]If LE wants to bust you they will no matter what you do.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but that's false.
[QUOTE=CooperCincy;1461187]Sorry, but that's false.[/QUOTE]Pro has been doing this for a very long time. I would listen to him. They CAN ARREST you any time they want, conviction however is a bit tougher odds.
Who needs the hastle. I say be smart, keep you head down low, and don't get fooled into believing your own excrement don't stink, which was PI's real downfall.
He got his head full of cotton candy and did some real dumb things. The writing has been on the wall for years. If you met the guy, like I did, you are not at all shocked as the arrest.
He began to believe his own press that he was the UBERPIMP of Pittsburgh.
[QUOTE=ProFromDover; 1460999]The Indys party that was raided was in CLEVELAND and was limited to Cleveland.
The board was never in danger.
Just be careful, follow your instincts.
If LE wants to bust you they will no matter what you do.[/QUOTE]It never was. To make matters worse he uses ISP logging software, so when his servers (WHEN not IF) are seized once the feds get involved with racketeeering charges, if you ever logged onto that site using your own ISP without a randomizer like I do, your name, location, and computer will be easily found by the IT forensic team that law enforcement uses.
This was the result of over a year of him being investigated-not just a one time screw up at a private party.
PI has been flying close to the flame for years-this time he got burnt.
Many have noted the problems concerning Olivia twenty four. Tried her number and it is associated with a woman named "Lamar Washington".
So,"let's be careful out there"
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Conrad[/url]
[QUOTE=CooperCincy;1461187]Sorry, but that's false.[/QUOTE]What do you mean that is false? There are numerous times where LE completed an appointment, then arrested the lady. I know one provider who actually had the DNA matched from the condom to the arresting officer and the judge did not care, she was still convicted.
[QUOTE=ProFromDover;1461698]What do you mean that is false? There are numerous times where LE completed an appointment, then arrested the lady. I know one provider who actually had the DNA matched from the condom to the arresting officer and the judge did not care, she was still convicted.[/QUOTE]Le in many areas to participate in full service and there is no way to beat the conviction.
Indianapolis is a city where the vice squad does whatever they want and will laugh in your face afterwards.
I know many girls who have had this happen to them in multiple cities
[QUOTE=Anonone; 1461424]Pro has been doing this for a very long time. I would listen to him. They CAN ARREST you any time they want, conviction however is a bit tougher odds.
Who needs the hastle. I say be smart, keep you head down low, and don't get fooled into believing your own excrement don't stink, which was PI's real downfall.
He got his head full of cotton candy and did some real dumb things. The writing has been on the wall for years. If you met the guy, like I did, you are not at all shocked as the arrest.
He began to believe his own press that he was the UBERPIMP of Pittsburgh.[/QUOTE]I'm just saying that you can be in this hobby and if you are careful, it would be impossible to be arrested. Yes, if police want to arrest you, they will. But someone can be under the radar in this hobby forever if they're smart about it.
[QUOTE=CooperCincy;1461860]I'm just saying that you can be in this hobby and if you are careful, it would be impossible to be arrested. Yes, if police want to arrest you, they will. But someone can be under the radar in this hobby forever if they're smart about it.[/QUOTE]Why do you have something too say on everything? And alway counter what was said. Please post reviews on ladys.
[QUOTE=Whodeyman;1461927]Why do you have something too say on everything? And alway counter what was said. Please post reviews on ladys.[/QUOTE]I have about 50 posts in 10 years so I clearly don't have something to say on everything. Please ignore my posts in the future and we'll get along much better.
[QUOTE=Fitter392; 1461042]I will be going there in August. I have not been since 2008. I used scorpsguide then and now its gone. This one, indys and TBD seem to be some what dead.
Any Advice would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Fitter[/QUOTE]It has been a while, but your best bet is to go to the version of Eros for Michigan. Look at the Detroit ladies-many of them used to routinely go up to Ann Arbor or at least the northern suburbs (so your would have about a 50 minute commute) of Detroit regularly each week.
They may be retired now, but if J-Chick or Grace are still working the region, either one will rock your boat.
PS: The cost of living is higher in that region, so be prepared for a little sticker shock-even for the mid-level providers.
[QUOTE=CooperCincy;1461860]I'm just saying that you can be in this hobby and if you are careful, it would be impossible to be arrested. Yes, if police want to arrest you, they will. But someone can be under the radar in this hobby forever if they're smart about it.[/QUOTE]How do we remain under the radar all the time?
When we go to a hotel where we are not registered and knock on the door of a guestroom, the door is opened by an internet escort who greets us like we are expected and we walk in like we are expected with a cell phone on us that has her cell number in our call directory from the two-call system minutes earlier along with her published donation in several bills spread among our several pockets, if she is a mole for a sting, are we still under the radar?
[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1462193]How do we remain under the radar all the time?
When we go to a hotel where we are not registered and knock on the door of a guestroom, the door is opened by an internet escort who greets us like we are expected and we walk in like we are expected with a cell phone on us that has her cell number in our call directory from the two-call system minutes earlier along with her published donation in several bills spread among our several pockets, if she is a mole for a sting, are we still under the radar?[/QUOTE]One day he will learn, and hopefully it won't be the hard way.
Arrest, or at least detainment, is always a possibility, so if you are actively hobbying, have a plan, even if it is to just keep quoting the song by Shaggy:
"It wasn't me."
Like I said, actual pressing of charges and conviction-not unless you are stupid and were just asking for it. It is usually when you think you are untouchable (even UTR) that you are most vulnerable. Don't spit in the wind, don't tug on Superman's cape, don't mess with Jim, and don't burry your head in Porkopolis where hunting the sexually diverse is Leo's favorite pastime.
There was a thread around here some place a few years back with good alibi / explanations / confrontation to use with Leo if detained near a hospitality:
Favorite (works best in upscale lodging) :
"Officer, first, is this a casual conversation, or am I free to go? I am a very busy man and I do understand and value my civil rights, being deeply patriotic."
IF he moves, you split and count yourself lucky. If he doesn't. .
(Loud sigh like you hate to be a jerk) : "I hate to do this, but if you are going to persist in interrupting my schedule, I need your name and badge number (grab a pen and paper from front desk) so that when I write both the mayor and the president of the Chamber and Commerce and ask them why they are bothering visitors to your city that are negotiating millions of dollars in tax revenue and thousand of jobs upstairs in this very hotel, they will know who to assign to clean the stables of the mounted patrol all summer."
WARNING: you have to be pretty much used to being an alpha male and a prick to pull it off-I have done it three times in two different cities.
Ask Delicious Dawn about the cop I belittled on the way to her incall because he was blocking the street and making me late for our session.
We had been in the middle of our second call of the two call system, when the cop approached my window and tried to tell me it would be a while. I used hobbyist Jedi mind trick number seven and 90 seconds later, he moved the vehicles blocking my way and I was there with time to spare-it was up several streets and around the block. Dawn greets me at the door laughing her ass off: "For a sweet guy, you can be one mean sonuvabitch-wow-that actually made me kind of horny listening to you tell that cop off. How do you do that?"
[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1462193]How do we remain under the radar all the time?
When we go to a hotel where we are not registered and knock on the door of a guestroom, the door is opened by an internet escort who greets us like we are expected and we walk in like we are expected with a cell phone on us that has her cell number in our call directory from the two-call system minutes earlier along with her published donation in several bills spread among our several pockets, if she is a mole for a sting, are we still under the radar?[/QUOTE]By not being explicit in email or on the phone. Showing up for conversation, company, or a massage is not illegal. Don't take out the money until you do the "cop checks". Don't give her money, leave it on a table somewhere. It could be sticky, but we are still haven't done anything that will stick.
Is a free dating site, mostly for unattractive women looking for a husband, but there are some pros working the site according to my source. Wantgenerous is in her 40's aand dances in Newport. Her Mom was a Newport stripper too. She is looking for a roommate, but will go for anything including a car date.
Splashofberries is in Richmond, IN. Meets in a bar, has a discussion. Above average in many respects, but looses points for some upselling in the middle of the session.
Cupcakeyum works out of Dayton, but hasn't been roadtested. There are others. Check the "Hospitality and Tourism" professions and you will seemany possibilities.
[QUOTE=SloganHogan;1462218]By not being explicit in email or on the phone. Showing up for conversation, company, or a massage is not illegal. Don't take out the money until you do the "cop checks". Don't give her money, leave it on a table somewhere. It could be sticky, but we are still haven't done anything that will stick.[/QUOTE]
We are not meeting women at a PTA meeting or at church. We are responding to an escort ad posted on an escort message board or adult site. The ads didn’t fall out of the Sunday paper - we had to specially look to find them. By going to this trouble and by making the initial contact, and the nature of all of it being illegal, we show our predisposition for P4P. Because we are “predisposed” we have no defense of entrapment. The police are not entrapping a willing soul when they are messing with us. Entrapment is reserved for those defendants who had an innocent mind, where the police planted the idea and offered encouragement and overcame their better judgment. Ask your lawyer about this. If he/she tells you anything differently ask a public defender.
Cop checks are worthless anyway. There is no law requiring cop checks in the first place and no law saying cops can't do a cop check. At most there may be be a department regulation against physical contact in this type of case, but that is not a bar to prosecution, not a defense at trial. It's between the department and the officer if a regulation was violated.
The only totally safe women to fuck for money are women we pick up at church, a republican rally, places that are not P4P places which, of course, would be ridiculous. It wouldn't work which is why cops don't plant decoys at such places. The internet sites, the rags by the elevator at the hotel, the escort ads have us making that first contact in response to the ads and when we do we show our predisposition and . . . . . . . . there I go repeating myself. Don' believe me. Ask the local public defender.
[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1462431]We are not meeting women at a PTA meeting or at church. We are responding to an escort ad posted on an escort message board or adult site. They didn't fall out of the Sunday paper. We had to specially look to find them. By going to this trouble and by making the initial contact we show our predisposition for P4P. Because we are 'predisposed' we have no defense of entrapment. The police are not entrapping a willing soul when they are messing with us. Entrapment is reserved for those defendants who had an innocent mind, where the police planted the idea and offered encouragement and overcame their better judgment. Ask your lawyer about this. If he / she tells you anything different ask a public defender.
Cop checks are worthless anyway. There is no law requiring cop checks in the first place and no law saying cops can't do a cop check. At most there may be be a department regulation against physical contact in this type of case, but that is not a bar to prosecution, not a defense at trial. It's between the department and the officer if a regulation was violated.
The only totally safe women to fuck for money are women we pick up at church, a republican rally, places that are not P4P places which, of course, would be ridiculous. It wouldn't work which is why cops don't plant decoys at such places. The internet sites, the rags by the elevator at the hotel, the escort ads have us making that first contact in response to the ads and when we do we show our predisposition and. There I go repeating myself. Don' believe me. Ask the local public defender.[/QUOTE]Being predisposed is not the same as performing an illegal act.
[QUOTE=SloganHogan;1462452]Being predisposed is not the same as performing an illegal act.[/QUOTE]That's true. The point of my message was missed. Nevermind.
I'm simply asking chicks if they're available to give me head.
BFDeal.
[QUOTE=SloganHogan; 1462227]Is a free dating site, mostly for unattractive women looking for a husband, but there are some pros working the site according to my source. Wantgenerous is in her 40's aand dances in Newport. Her Mom was a Newport stripper too. She is looking for a roommate, but will go for anything including a car date.
Splashofberries is in Richmond, IN. Meets in a bar, has a discussion. Above average in many respects, but looses points for some upselling in the middle of the session.
Cupcakeyum works out of Dayton, but hasn't been roadtested. There are others. Check the "Hospitality and Tourism" professions and you will seemany possibilities.[/QUOTE]
One of Velvet girls. Great time! Seniors Can get more info
[QUOTE=Upullandpay;1462935]One of Velvet girls. Great time! Seniors Can get more info[/QUOTE]You sure about that?
I heard she left there-sadly I found out too late. This Laceyloveyou character fell asleep on me during the session-even worse, arrived at incall to find door ajar, with her not here, but down the hall chatting.
Not a good scene-doubt Velvet over Tapestries would tolerate such a loose thread.
[QUOTE=Anonone; 1464720]You sure about that?
I heard she left there-sadly I found out too late. This Laceyloveyou character fell asleep on me during the session-even worse, arrived at incall to find door ajar, with her not here, but down the hall chatting.
Not a good scene-doubt Velvet over Tapestries would tolerate such a loose thread.[/QUOTE]My friend had a dream with Chenille last week. She had a total mental meltdown during the session and quit. I don't know whats going on over there.
[QUOTE=SmlqqKing;1457200]Dreamt of Nikki and had my eyes go back into my head as she made me explode like I have never had before its like the girl thinks the cure for cancer is in that hot white glue my my my and best part she wants to share the love to the guys on here she is willling to make friends on here a special dream of their own come true and share the love and was told she will cut them a special deal of their own.[/QUOTE]I really appreciate the kind word, you are great guy! When you treat a woman with respect we tend to give you our best! What can I say when you love what you do it will show!
Happy Dreams I welcome dreamers.
[QUOTE=BluBalled69;1465177]My friend had a dream with Chenille last week. She had a total mental meltdown during the session and quit. I don't know whats going on over there.[/QUOTE]I ask the girls before they start if they use any kind of drugs and they say NO. I am a very trusting person and take people on their word. Well no more of that as I have been burned a little to much! I guess they get a few bucks in hand and go back to a habit or start a habit! The money gets to their head as most have never seen this much $ in their life. Well I got the most dependable girls here and that is Velvet and Silk.
I hope they get their life together and I wanted to help, but can't help if they don't want the help. Also when they backstab you when you try and bend over backwards to help someone.
Just know we are busy and have loyal friends that know they can count on us when they need us. With loyal, relaxing, safe, and comfortable place to see us! I do reference checks and double checks! Everyone's safety is very important to me!
PS My name is finally working earlier I had to use Silk's name, but I am back now!
Huggs,
Wet Velvet
[QUOTE=Golfcart;1462461]That's true. The point of my message was missed. Nevermind.[/QUOTE]Meh, I got it. In a slightly different vein, the funniest thing about "cop checks" is that providers never seem to believe you when you tell them it's pointless. I always do it anyway because it makes them feel better, but it's always with a chuckle.
Wondering if anyone would be willing to share contact info an easy to get ahold of, with a reasonable rate, gal on the south, southwest side? Only going to be in town about 12 hours and won't have time to cruise the monger avenues. Would also be interested in any info about Riverbend Music Center. Ease of parking, getting in and out, is it possible to be there when a band arrives or any pertinent info. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Chelli4me;1466892]Wondering if anyone would be willing to share contact info an easy to get ahold of, with a reasonable rate, gal on the south, southwest side? Only going to be in town about 12 hours and won't have time to cruise the monger avenues. Would also be interested in any info about Riverbend Music Center. Ease of parking, getting in and out, is it possible to be there when a band arrives or any pertinent info. Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you are looking for someone near Riverbend, then that would be the southeast side of Cincy.
As to your questions about Riverbend, a lot depends on the band. Large parking lots, fairly easy to get in, but can take some time to get out. Generally you won't be able to be in the Pavilion or grass when the band arrives. They get there pretty early to do their sound check.
If you want southeast side, try to get in touch with Petra. She works the east side.
[QUOTE=ProFromDover; 1467249]If you are looking for someone near Riverbend, then that would be the southeast side of Cincy.
As to your questions about Riverbend, a lot depends on the band. Large parking lots, fairly easy to get in, but can take some time to get out. Generally you won't be able to be in the Pavilion or grass when the band arrives. They get there pretty early to do their sound check.
If you want southeast side, try to get in touch with Petra. She works the east side.[/QUOTE]Since Discretion is so vital due to recent events:
Do you think it wise, as a moderator from indys, to be giving advice at this time?
Brass
[QUOTE=ProFromDover;1467249]If you are looking for someone near Riverbend, then that would be the southeast side of Cincy.As to your questions about Riverbend, a lot depends on the band. Large parking lots, fairly easy to get in, but can take some time to get out. Generally you won't be able to be in the Pavilion or grass when the band arrives. They get there pretty early to do their sound check.If you want southeast side, try to get in touch with Petra. She works the east side.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the info and correction on my sense of direction! Since I won't have time to cruise I was hoping for a more direct contact. And not knowing this Petra, what she looks like or where she can be found I'd just be wandering around aimlessly!
[QUOTE=Brass1964; 1467261]Since Discretion is so vital due to recent events:
Do you think it wise, as a moderator from indys, to be giving advice at this time?
Brass[/QUOTE]I am offering a Public Apology to ProFromDover.
My leap to judgement was poorly timed given the recent events.
Discretion is vital and my concerns should have been addressed in a Private Message and not publicly.
You have my most sincere apology Pro.
Brass
It is fine. I will wait the three more months to achieve "Senior" status. No problem. Even though I have shared more than enough intel on providers. Because of the bad experiences I have had corresponding with seniors via PM's. I am far less inclined to share all of my intel on the board. Certain seniors have not been willing to share very generic harmless advice because of my lack of status. It would seem prudent for a senior to asses my posts to determine whether I have credibility, but instead that act like I should get lost until the word "regular" gets changed to "senior." I would keep posting if they were atleast polite about it, but they are not. Some of them act like neighborhood children who won't let certain kids into the treehouse club. Some of you guys are probably great I am sure, but when you aren't a lot of good intel gets suppressed. Ttyl
[QUOTE=Brass1964; 1467261]Since Discretion is so vital due to recent events:
Do you think it wise, as a moderator from indys, to be giving advice at this time?
Brass[/QUOTE]. Because ProFrom Dover is like fifty-times smarter than that mule PI.
Well it has been a long ride here at old ranch so to speak. But after who knows how long I have been a member here, I have decided to retire after one last very good experience. I trust that all of you will continue to be safe and enjoy the hobby and remember new guys here look at several of the post that point to the rules and safety and listen to your fellow members. Over the years D-Nut, Wordup, Todd in Cincy and ProfromDover have been some of the most memorable and wisest advice.
I wish you all well and the best. I am heading off into the sunset as my life is in a constant flux of change these days and my focus on life and career are changing too. Perhaps one day I will drop by for a visit and catch up. It is with good memories and knowing that I may have helped in some small way over the years some of you here. I didn't post a lot but I was sure to reply and offer my advice and professional tips and knowledge when needed. Thanks to Jackson for his unselfish dedication to running this forum for all to enjoy and stay safe. He has been our friend. Appreciate what he does for all of us. With that I bid you all goodbye.
All the Best!
Dr. Moose
[QUOTE=Anonone;1467924]. Because ProFrom Dover is like fifty-times smarter than that mule PI.[/QUOTE]I did apologize.
Brass
Saw Crissee today. She was the total package: looks and performance. I would bore you with the details but why since she has moved on. If you have a hook-up at the place she has moved to I difinetely recommend.
ITTE
Some of us on this forum got the same treatment, and we have had to have other members give us a heads up to other members. Then they know we are Okay. LE has going to after SW's in the past to see if they knew members on this site so we know never to be I'd'ed by our screen name.
Read some of the post and you can almost spot the LE post. Gave no pointers to spotting them because what works for me may not work for you.
Good intell is Aces on this site so continue on your way and member will learn you are straight up, and ligit.
Folks want no LE contact, so slow, very slow is the pace.
Assume everyone is LE. Unless you know for certain that they aren't. EVERYONE!
[QUOTE=BahamaMama;1467735]It is fine. I will wait the three more months to achieve "Senior" status. No problem. Even though I have shared more than enough intel on providers. Because of the bad experiences I have had corresponding with seniors via PM's. I am far less inclined to share all of my intel on the board. Certain seniors have not been willing to share very generic harmless advice because of my lack of status. It would seem prudent for a senior to asses my posts to determine whether I have credibility, but instead that act like I should get lost until the word "regular" gets changed to "senior." I would keep posting if they were atleast polite about it, but they are not. Some of them act like neighborhood children who won't let certain kids into the treehouse club. Some of you guys are probably great I am sure, but when you aren't a lot of good intel gets suppressed. Ttyl[/QUOTE]
I also had a dream about Crissee. It didn't start great, as she was a bit late for our appointment. But she called, let me know she was on her way, and was only a little late. So in the scheme of things no big deal.
She is better looking in person, and in my dream she was friendly, fun and had fine skills. Repeat? For sure.
So in my experience she did great with no drama or bs.
Crazykev
That is fine, I will pay my dues, but I am not sharing all of my intel until I become a senior. Why should I.
Thats all.
[QUOTE=Mr Boombastic; 1469252]Some of us on this forum got the same treatment, and we have had to have other members give us a heads up to other members. Then they know we are Okay. LE has going to after SW's in the past to see if they knew members on this site so we know never to be I'd'ed by our screen name.
Read some of the post and you can almost spot the LE post. Gave no pointers to spotting them because what works for me may not work for you.
Good intell is Aces on this site so continue on your way and member will learn you are straight up, and ligit.
Folks want no LE contact, so slow, very slow is the pace.
Assume everyone is LE. Unless you know for certain that they aren't. EVERYONE![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BahamaMama; 1471408]That is fine, I will pay my dues, but I am not sharing all of my intel until I become a senior. Why should I.
Thats all.[/QUOTE]Why wouldn't you? Seems like a selfish attitude to me.