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EroticPrimate is headquarters central for the gift card scammers. A site that allows, or even encourages that kind of thievery cannot be taken seriously. I never use that site to find hookers, but I do use them to check the hookers I already found by some other means to see if she posted the same pictures and digits there. But as far as their reviews, they are about as useless as tits on a bull.

Steak.

[QUOTE=KingOfFours;4758013]Erotic Monkey Shit Whoreshit . That site is crooked thru and thru![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KingOfFours;4758013]That site is crooked thru and thru, and I've posted before about how they stole my T. E. are reviews and put some of them under different handles, etc.

But up until now, they had a policy where, if you submitted a review, they gave one week of VIP access. So I use that as an opportunity to see the reviews, such as they are, which I always read with much distrust and suspiscion, because of their dishonesty and fakery. But SOME reviews are indeed real and accurate. (Such as my own.).

But the last two times I submitted reviews, they published them, but they did NOT give me VIP access. One can't even write to them though, to see what's going on, without having the VIP status in the first place, just to communicate with these assholes!

So I'm wondering if any other gents, who use them like I do (that is, submit a review and get a week's full access) are experiencing the same problem? Because if they changed their policy about the free week of reading reviews, then I'm fully done with Monkey Shit. Because I'm not paying one single red cent to read their mostly fake and stolen reviews![/QUOTE]I kicked them to the kick many moons ago. Complete garbage. All you need is USASG!

[QUOTE=SteakTartare;4758090]EroticPrimate is headquarters central for the gift card scammers. A site that allows, or even encourages that kind of thievery cannot be taken seriously. I never use that site to find hookers, but I do use them to check the hookers I already found by some other means to see if she posted the same pictures and digits there. But as far as their reviews, they are about as useless as tits on a bull.

Steak.[/QUOTE]Some are useful. If you know the author, and if you know that he is really the author! There are several that I know are legit. Because I've checked with the authors OFF site. Some who I indeed know personally. As I said, they previously offered free access for a week, if you submit a review. Otherwise, I agree, most of those reviews are less than useless. But if this is their new policy--that is, no more free access, then I am forever done with them. And I'd encourage everyone to also to NOT support their dishonesty and shady whoreshit. And I would discourage anyone from EVER paying that crooked site anything!

Erotic Monkey Business.

Erotic Monkey posted my review from The Erotic Review without my knowledge a few years back. The most annoying thing was that they've truncated my review, and my review was not complete.

I also came across quite a few reviews that were stolen from TER. Some of them were copied as a whole and others were truncated.

And some reviews were exact copy of another provider. I don't know if someone was just reposting same fake reviews multiple times just to have free one-week membership or they were doing it to promote themselves.

I always read their reviews with skepticism and I always thought two- or three-sentence-review as complete BS. TER at least had their standard back then, and would not post such reviews.

Anyway, they deleted a lot of reviews from their site beginning of this year. Complete deletion of whole profile, no name, no picture and no trace of them. A lot of popular providers were simply gone.

So, I requested a refund my of membership, and they refunded $200, a prorated amount of what was left on my membership. At least they were prompt and honorable about the refund.

Still, I don't trust them, and I would avoid them. This forum is great because not only we can review someone, we can also add comment, upload photos and ask questions. Plus, the vast collective knowledge of senior members keeps everyone in check.

[QUOTE=KingOfFours;4758013]That site is crooked thru and thru, and I've posted before about how they stole my T. E. are reviews and put some of them under different handles, etc.

But up until now, they had a policy where, if you submitted a review, they gave one week of VIP access. So I use that as an opportunity to see the reviews, such as they are, which I always read with much distrust and suspiscion, because of their dishonesty and fakery. But SOME reviews are indeed real and accurate. (Such as my own.).

But the last two times I submitted reviews, they published them, but they did NOT give me VIP access. One can't even write to them though, to see what's going on, without having the VIP status in the first place, just to communicate with these assholes!

So I'm wondering if any other gents, who use them like I do (that is, submit a review and get a week's full access) are experiencing the same problem? Because if they changed their policy about the free week of reading reviews, then I'm fully done with Monkey Shit. Because I'm not paying one single red cent to read their mostly fake and stolen reviews![/QUOTE]OK, gents, I managed to reach the criminals who run that site using their cryptic "contact" link, and directly from the whorse's' mouth, they have indeed discontinued the "write a review, get 7 days free" policy. I STRONGLY suggest that you NEVER pay a cent to them, and now, I recommend that you not feed the troll--that is to say, don't submit reviews to those brain dead dishonest fucktards! Instead, post them here on USA!

If any TRUSTWORTHY, cuntribulting USASG seniors, or, those I already know well, and trust, want to read my reviews on there, which of course are 100% honest (lthough some, like me, are quite old. LOL), let me know, and I will send you my screen name on that crooked erotic monkey vomit site. I have about 70 reviews on there under that handle, all fairly detailed, and, although not always explicitly stated, all bareback full service of course. I don't review them otherwise. Because, truth be told, I really don't like to have to write such bad reviews.

Of course, do to their new assinine policy, you won't be able to read any reviews on there unless you already have a paid account. So this really is only relevant for those who have already been burned by that crooked site.

[QUOTE=KingOfFours;4759652]OK, gents, I managed to reach the criminals who run that site using their cryptic "contact" link, and directly from the whorse's' mouth, they have indeed discontinued the "write a review, get 7 days free" policy. I STRONGLY suggest that you NEVER pay a cent to them, and now, I recommend that you not feed the troll--that is to say, don't submit reviews to those brain dead dishonest fucktards! Instead, post them here on USA!

If any TRUSTWORTHY, cuntribulting USASG seniors, or, those I already know well, and trust, want to read my reviews on there, which of course are 100% honest (lthough some, like me, are quite old. LOL), let me know, and I will send you my screen name on that crooked erotic monkey vomit site. I have about 70 reviews on there under that handle, all fairly detailed, and, although not always explicitly stated, all bareback full service of course. I don't review them otherwise. Because, truth be told, I really don't like to have to write such bad reviews.

Of course, do to their new assinine policy, you won't be able to read any reviews on there unless you already have a paid account. So this really is only relevant for those who have already been burned by that crooked site.[/QUOTE]Yeah, they had a big purge some time ago, and blocked me. When I asked why, I got stonewalled. So I set up a new profile and contacted them to ask why, blocked me again. I never wrote a bogus review, no idea what the problem was.

Fuck them.

[QUOTE=KingOfFours;4758349]Some are useful. If you know the author, and if you know that he is really the author! There are several that I know are legit. Because I've checked with the authors OFF site. Some who I indeed know personally. As I said, they previously offered free access for a week, if you submit a review. Otherwise, I agree, most of those reviews are less than useless. But if this is their new policy--that is, no more free access, then I am forever done with them. And I'd encourage everyone to also to NOT support their dishonesty and shady whoreshit. And I would discourage anyone from EVER paying that crooked site anything![/QUOTE]Reviews on any board are all about the source and their track record. If you can detect the patterns then you can interpret if they are fact or fiction. Having a trusted network of those that will tell the truth when called upon is the best way to navigate the "hobby" IMHO.

Genital warfare.

So, first anyone who has been dealt with Cancer sucks!

But, when a working girl posts a GoFundMe to help support her or her relative to donate $ for her treatment or etc.

During this health issue pandemic that has everyone across the board out of a job or in this case the working girl is not getting a lot of appointments due to guys be scared or just careful!

And, there income has dropped to basically 1 or 2 appointments a week is not going to cut it. So, they need to come up with ways to get $.

SunkissedKayla posted a pic on hx saying support my sister for her cancer.

I honestly don't believe it and she 's just trying to get $. That is my opinion and "yes" I know I will get bad comments but many other girls have tried to do this on hx and got caught.

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;4764242]So, first anyone who has been dealt with Cancer sucks!

But, when a working girl posts a GoFundMe to help support her or her relative to donate $ for her treatment or etc.

During this health issue pandemic that has everyone across the board out of a job or in this case the working girl is not getting a lot of appointments due to guys be scared or just careful!

And, there income has dropped to basically 1 or 2 appointments a week is not going to cut it. So, they need to come up with ways to get $.

SunkissedKayla posted a pic on hx saying support my sister for her cancer.

I honestly don't believe it and she 's just trying to get $. That is my opinion and "yes" I know I will get bad comments but many other girls have tried to do this on hx and got caught.[/QUOTE]I donated. Didn't even occur to me that it might be fake. Ha ha.

[QUOTE=Christophe1;4763752]Genital warfare.[/QUOTE]I'd cream that kitty. Just saying.

[QUOTE=NickSgv;4766880]I donated. Didn't even occur to me that it might be fake. Ha ha.[/QUOTE]Have you seen the pathology reports? What Stage cancer is it? What adjuvant therapy has she received? What is the survivability and prognosis? You saw a hot chick shed tears, post a heartwarming family style photo, and your first reaction was to open up your wallet? Do you want to buy my property in Des Moines? It has a view of both the Pacific and Atlantic oceans, and also comes with the Brooklyn Bridge. As long as there are dumbasses, there will always be scammers.

Steak.

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;4764242]I honestly don't believe it and she 's just trying to get $. That is my opinion and "yes" I know I will get bad comments but many other girls have tried to do this on hx and got caught.[/QUOTE]I shared your opinion as soon as I saw it. The first thought that came to mind was the story of the blonde chick who supposedly got the last few dollars from a homeless man to buy gas for her car, long story short the entire nation donated almost half a million dollars to the GoFundMe they created to supposedly help that homeless man, and everything turned out to be fake asf.

Steak.

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[URL]Rubratings.com[/URL] is clinically acceptable as a site.

The pros:

The girls list actual locations, not just los angeles, but downey, westwood, beverly hills.

The outcalls all post late at night and are all fake. I called one once and they knew I was calling from a burner phone. I was just curious, but as they say "I do outcall because I am not real. ".

The pictures are generally representative and real.

It seems like the girls are not managesd. Although the girls in westwood, westwood adjacent and beverly hills all have bookers or are part of some rooskie outfit and the pics are not legit on the rooskie ones.

The bad.

They apparently rate mongers. I saw a gal in texas and she said I had bad reviews, one girl said I demanded more than what I paid for, another one said I was crazy. The girl in texas saw me anyway and then said she had reviewed me and that I should review her.

The outcall ads drive me nuts.

There are ads for girls in the wrong cities.

There are ads with area codes like 279 that probably lead you to a cam site or to a marketing site for life coaches.

All these fucken sites should just copy backpage.

As far as I can tell, the escorts section of this website is as useful implementing social distancing on figueroa. At least 80% of the ads are text message ads for who the fuck knows, maybe life coaching.

The body rubs section has some genuine girls, but mostly morbidly obese girls of all races and some repeats from other sites.

I check it on weekends just to make sure I did not miss nothing.

Been noticing on different sites for the last couple weeks or so that it's becoming a ghost town with the usual girls posting ads etc & or responding to repeat client texts. First thought was lot of them have decided to lay low but over the last 24 hours been hearing rumblings through the grapevine stings.

[QUOTE=NoMaam94;4777632]Been noticing on different sites for the last couple weeks or so that it's becoming a ghost town with the usual girls posting ads etc & or responding to repeat client texts. First thought was lot of them have decided to lay low but over the last 24 hours been hearing rumblings through the grapevine stings.[/QUOTE]I doubt the feds are doing any stings. Look at this collosal possum fuck:

[URL]https://reason.com/2020/05/14/ice-agents-fight-sex-trafficking-by-paying-potential-victims-for-hand-jobs/[/URL]

Can you imagine the affidavit by attesting witness. "Suspect then stroked my erect penis while I was able to touch her over her clothes. It appeared she was impressed by my touching skills and the size of my member because suspect said "oh, you superman".

Hey guys, Is there a risk in sending out your photo to the provider for screening?

Some providers want it, they don't reply until they get it.

Any recommendations or suggestions? On what you do to get with these providers?

[QUOTE=DreamFreez;4792095]Hey guys, Is there a risk in sending out your photo to the provider for screening?

Some providers want it, they don't reply until they get it.

Any recommendations or suggestions?[/QUOTE]Uh, yah! Never send a pic of yourself.

Some guys are not very smart and will send a pic and of themselves and that pic or pics they sent they've used for they're social media platforms like fb and ig.

Few girls told me that they've even google imaged there pics and "bam" there personal facebook and real name pops up. Another girl told me some guys used his work pic and when she google imaged his work popped up at a car dealership. SMH.

If one is single young and dumb than do it. But, if you're older, married, care about the security of your personal space than don't do it!

[QUOTE=DreamFreez;4792095]Hey guys, Is there a risk in sending out your photo to the provider for screening?

Some providers want it, they don't reply until they get it.

Any recommendations or suggestions? On what you do to get with these providers?[/QUOTE]I've done it before I am sure that if you do your due diligence and know this girls isn't fake its okay.

[QUOTE=DreamFreez;4792095]Hey guys, Is there a risk in sending out your photo to the provider for screening?

Some providers want it, they don't reply until they get it.

Any recommendations or suggestions? On what you do to get with these providers?[/QUOTE]I have a few pictures of duds who look like me that I send. I never have gotten caught using them. Or, you can grow a little beard, take a photo of yourself then, and then shave. Do not use a photo that is on the net tied to your name.

[QUOTE=DreamFreez;4792095]Hey guys, Is there a risk in sending out your photo to the provider for screening?

Some providers want it, they don't reply until they get it.

Any recommendations or suggestions? On what you do to get with these providers?[/QUOTE]Stupid thing to do. It's bad enough that they get your phone number. Imagine what a wacko can do to you with both your phone number and your photo.

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;4792317]I have a few pictures of duds who look like me that I send. I never have gotten caught using them. Or, you can grow a little beard, take a photo of yourself then, and then shave. Do not use a photo that is on the net tied to your name.[/QUOTE]I was going to suggest putting a pic of yourself into google pic search and use something it kicks out. Or walk away. Can't think of any pussy worth the potential of your ID being blown like that.

[QUOTE=DreamFreez;4792095]Hey guys, Is there a risk in sending out your photo to the provider for screening? Some providers want it, they don't reply until they get it. Any recommendations or suggestions? On what you do to get with these providers?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;4792118]Uh, yah! Never send a pic of yourself.[/QUOTE]Yeah what he said. So I text back a picture of HapaBoy86 instead and have had no problems setting up dates with providers so far. These chicks can't wait to meet the handsome devil! I knock on their door, they open it, and the confused look on their faces is fucking priceless LOL. They were expecting Leonardo DiCaprio and they got Leonardo DaVinci instead ha ha ha.

Steak.

[QUOTE=DreamFreez;4792095]Hey guys, Is there a risk in sending out your photo to the provider for screening?

Some providers want it, they don't reply until they get it.

Any recommendations or suggestions? On what you do to get with these providers?[/QUOTE]There are several pictures of me out on the internet in various professional settings. If I can't get away with not sending a picture, or, if the prospects of being coupled with her is too overwhelming, I will send her one of those public pictures that I have heavily redacted and cropped. I also have a non de plume, so my real name isn't connected to the picture. When you download your picture off the internet, save it on your computer and (assuming it's Windows 10) right click on it to get to properties. You can delete all of the date, time, and location information. That's what you send to your future parammour using a VPN of course.

At least, in the current environment, you can take a pic of yourself, wearing a mask.

I like the way you talk, you definitely sound intelligent and sophisticated, and wondered why I never noticed your activity before. I scanned your previous forum posts and got my answer.

You are correct about the deleting stored information on any picture downloaded from the internet. That is one way. The other option is to take a cropped screenshot of whatever picture you downloaded from the internet. You are essentially starting from scratch. It is the same picture but without all the EXIF info that was inherently tied to the original picture. I further manipulate the screenshot and do all kinds of digital alterations to it using Photoshop before uploading it on the internet just to fuck with Google and Tineye. Any forensic investigation on my pictures will lead nowhere as the internet thinks it is a virgin photo and never before seen by Mark Zuckerberg.

Steak.

[QUOTE=Max#01;4793135]There are several pictures of me out on the internet in various professional settings. If I can't get away with not sending a picture, or, if the prospects of being coupled with her is too overwhelming, I will send her one of those public pictures that I have heavily redacted and cropped. I also have a non de plume, so my real name isn't connected to the picture. When you download your picture off the internet, save it on your computer and (assuming it's Windows 10) right click on it to get to properties. You can delete all of the date, time, and location information. That's what you send to your future parammour using a VPN of course.[/QUOTE]

I'm proud to be scammed and share my missteps to the group.

Beware of this chick: [URL]https://losangeles.rubratings.com/172284[/URL].

Awesomex90.

She's been posting adds for a while. Pics attached.

We made arrangements to get together today for FBSM and FS, $200 hh, reasonable.

Here's how she works:

She asks you your location first.

Then she posts an address in your city (I told her I was in Pasadena and she sent me the address to the Westin).

She says she prefers to be paid via cashapp or via gift cards since she's been scammed in the past, but agrees to let you pay her once you arrive.

(so the red flags didn't go off. Yet since I figured this might be a way around a "cash transaction".

I texted once I arrived and she asked for me to cashapp 1/2 of our agreed fee--saying she's trying to be careful. Sob story. She even offered to cashap $50 back to me. More sob story.

Since I had gift cards to give her, I offered $50 and the rest at the door.

Yadda, yadda, yadda.

She kept asking for the balance and then I never heard from her again.

I have 2 cell phones, so I reached out to her again and she gave me the same lines of bullshit. BUT. The next time I said I was in Rosemead and she gave me a Rosemead hotel address--saying she was there at the same time.

Anyways. Stay safe, my friends. I'll gladly take one for the team if it helps a fellow monger.

Stay away from Cashapp. It's a scam. You will know right away if they're only asking for a hundred dollars. And then if you ask her to lower her price down even more, then you really know it's a scam. They'll say that they've been ripped off before when she's used cash. Don't go for Cashapp ever.

There were a million red flags and you should have stopped at the very first one--her pictures. A chick who looks like that will not be on "rubratings" LOL. Chicks who look like that are usually UTR and by word of mouth only and advertised to a very select clientele. The second red flag was her price. Add one more zero to her posted rate and that would be a good starting point. Why is it so hard for mongers here to understand that the girl of your dreams simply do not exist in the $$ world of Backpage and SW's? The scammers are playing on your unrealistic and outright delusional expectations.

Hard lesson learned.

Steak.

[QUOTE=PropLA;4795104]I'm proud to be scammed and share my missteps to the group. Beware of this chick: [URL]https://losangeles.rubratings.com/172284[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PropLA;4795104]I'm proud to be scammed and share my missteps to the group.

Beware of this chick: [URL]https://losangeles.rubratings.com/172284[/URL].

Awesomex90.

She's been posting adds for a while. Pics attached.

We made arrangements to get together today for FBSM and FS, $200 hh, reasonable.

Here's how she works:

She asks you your location first.

Then she posts an address in your city (I told her I was in Pasadena and she sent me the address to the Westin).

She says she prefers to be paid via cashapp or via gift cards since she's been scammed in the past, but agrees to let you pay her once you arrive.

(so the red flags didn't go off. Yet since I figured this might be a way around a "cash transaction".

I texted once I arrived and she asked for me to cashapp 1/2 of our agreed fee--saying she's trying to be careful. Sob story. She even offered to cashap $50 back to me. More sob story.

Since I had gift cards to give her, I offered $50 and the rest at the door.

Yadda, yadda, yadda.[/QUOTE]It appears you did not get scammed, just time sucked. Did you give her the 50 bucks.

I posted on this type of scam before, which ever dud is doing this, I admire, he now asks where you are and the incall is near you. In my case, he said the incall was in a building that I know all the residents of because there is a poker game there, and the landlord would use any excuse to kick out tenants if there was a sublet to a massage therapist. So I knew it was bs and I did what you did and used another number, now the gal was 15 miles away. So be aware of the new "location" scam. And never send any money up front.

[QUOTE=PropLA;4795104]I'm proud to be scammed and share my missteps to the group.

Beware of this chick: [URL]https://losangeles.rubratings.com/172284[/URL].

Awesomex90.

She's been posting adds for a while. Pics attached.

We made arrangements to get together today for FBSM and FS, $200 hh, reasonable.

Here's how she works:

She asks you your location first.

Then she posts an address in your city (I told her I was in Pasadena and she sent me the address to the Westin).

She says she prefers to be paid via cashapp or via gift cards since she's been scammed in the past, but agrees to let you pay her once you arrive.

(so the red flags didn't go off. Yet since I figured this might be a way around a "cash transaction".

I texted once I arrived and she asked for me to cashapp 1/2 of our agreed fee--saying she's trying to be careful. Sob story. She even offered to cashap $50 back to me. More sob story.

Since I had gift cards to give her, I offered $50 and the rest at the door.

Yadda, yadda, yadda.

She kept asking for the balance and then I never heard from her again.

I have 2 cell phones, so I reached out to her again and she gave me the same lines of bullshit. BUT. The next time I said I was in Rosemead and she gave me a Rosemead hotel address--saying she was there at the same time.

Anyways. Stay safe, my friends. I'll gladly take one for the team if it helps a fellow monger.[/QUOTE]What did Gordan Gekko say? "A fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place. " This definitely applies to you. Sorry for the harsh judgement, but it's idiots like you that promulgate these broads into running these scams.

If you're using Google Chrome, you can right click on a picture and select "Search Google for Image". If a lot of results come back, that aren't on the website you're using, it's probably a fake ad.

This doesn't always work 100%, but it saves a lot of work.

[QUOTE=PropLA;4795104]I'm proud to be scammed and share my missteps to the group.

Beware of this chick: [URL]https://losangeles.rubratings.com/172284[/URL].

[/QUOTE]

I don't know who runs this site, but it's really great. Whoever he or she is, they do a good job. Just a shout out to "admin. ".

[QUOTE=BobWilliams696;4795660]If you're using Google Chrome, you can right click on a picture and select "Search Google for Image". If a lot of results come back, that aren't on the website you're using, it's probably a fake ad.

This doesn't always work 100%, but it saves a lot of work.[/QUOTE]There are free extensions available for any browser application so that you can just right click on the image and select the search type. I use "Search by Image" on Firefox. It gives you several image search options including Tineye, Google Image, and Yandex and 30 others. I find that Yandex usually but not always provides the deepest search results followed by Google.

[QUOTE=FredFourLess;4795947]There are free extensions available for any browser application so that you can just right click on the image and select the search type. I use "Search by Image" on Firefox. It gives you several image search options including Tineye, Google Image, and Yandex and 30 others. I find that Yandex usually but not always provides the deepest search results followed by Google.[/QUOTE]My fast trick of avoiding being discovered is to flip the image horizontally.

[QUOTE=PropLA;4795104]I'm proud to be scammed and share my missteps to the group.

Beware of this chick: [URL]https://losangeles.rubratings.com/172284[/URL].

Awesomex90.

She's been posting adds for a while. Pics attached.

We made arrangements to get together today for FBSM and FS, $200 hh, reasonable.

Here's how she works:

She asks you your location first.[/QUOTE]I clicked on the link you provided and right there, just above her self description is the warning:

Important: Never send payments in advance! Requests for CashApp, PayPal, Venmo, gift cards, etc are scams. <.

Next time, maybe pay a little bit closer attention to things but do appreciate you sharing and taking one for the team. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Domino727;4795336]What did Gordan Gekko say? "A fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place. " This definitely applies to you. Sorry for the harsh judgement, but it's idiots like you that promulgate these broads into running these scams.[/QUOTE]You never see the provider, so why assume it's a female? My guess is it's some guy (s) that are just a little smarter than about half the mongers.

[QUOTE=JamesD2004;4796490]My fast trick of avoiding being discovered is to flip the image horizontally.[/QUOTE]There's no absolute way to track things. Sometimes, that same flipped image being used on multiple websites is what then lends to it's searchability. My personal observation is that the more reputable ladies use consistent images and phone numbers BECAUSE of that good reputation. So if it's difficult to verify if someone is real, they are less likely to be so.

For me it was just $50, but I'm sure she's scammed way more from others. I hope this scammer gets shut.

That being said, I've seen some beautiful girls through RR! But I won't make the same mistake. More than 4-5 times. LOL.

[QUOTE=SteakTartare;4795183]There were a million red flags and you should have stopped at the very first one--her pictures. A chick who looks like that will not be on "rubratings" LOL. Chicks who look like that are usually UTR and by word of mouth only and advertised to a very select clientele. The second red flag was her price. Add one more zero to her posted rate and that would be a good starting point. Why is it so hard for mongers here to understand that the girl of your dreams simply do not exist in the $$ world of Backpage and SW's? The scammers are playing on your unrealistic and outright delusional expectations.

Hard lesson learned.

Steak.[/QUOTE]