Philly Sugar

[QUOTE=HeyDuhman;6706571]This one has been around but I can't find any reviews here.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/36fe4b73-af85-40c1-8a83-cef22e247f6944[/URL]

Anyone?[/QUOTE]Man where do I begin, not only does this girl tell me she's interested on seeking a while back she sends me her number only to respond a month later. I give it a shot anyway and offer my usual 4 since it seems to be the new floor over 3. She pushes back asking if I can do double LOL. The rest of the convo you can see in the screenshot. Awful negotiator asking for even more when I want to make it worth her ask. She decides to respond the next morning and by then I don't even want her anymore and she hits me up today asking her goofy question.

I decided instead to spend 600 on a flight to Colombia and using the rest to have the trip of my life. I have made it a point to the American girls on seeking that trips abroad are probably the reason so many of them have been complaining about finding a steady local SD at the ridiculous amounts they want. Even for the men who bite, the experience obviously wasn't good enough to continue and that tells you all you need to know. Hopefully they humble themselves and drop their ask to reasonable levels but I am not holding my breath.

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6731737]She's not available weekdays. She works until 600 pm. Doesn't fit my schedule. Best of luck gents.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bca1f695-e529-4fc9-9b1e-8413996e5aa2[/URL][/QUOTE]Anyone with goddess or princess in their username or profile is usually low ROI.

I come in with low expectations on that.

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6732808]Anyone with goddess or princess in their username or profile is usually low ROI.

I come in with low expectations on that.[/QUOTE]How many girls with princess or goddess in their usernames have you hooked up with? Is this experience based or just your imagination? Very curious.

[QUOTE=EpicSD;6732823]How many girls with princess or goddess in their usernames have you hooked up with? Is this experience based or just your imagination? Very curious.[/QUOTE]This is based on personal experience.

I've used seeking for years.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1a8fdb74-6a05-41ac-b233-ebf839c997f6[/URL]

Attractive but was hard getting her attention. Expects 5 x $ to just go out to eat, if anything else happens she expects more. Lmao. I bid her good luck.

Any good recommendations in the Philly area?

Indicated she'd meet in the Trenton area. We moved to text. She wants 7 $$ ppm. Nope. Out of my range.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/94a68a4c-5de7-474c-8e88-79f463998da1[/URL]

Just for reference, I don't do M&G. I know it's not the norm here, but I just invite them over and get right to it.

Luxxrosa ([URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7bb081a5-a553-40f4-ac32-6535e02dfbe1[/URL]).

Very brief messaging. Asked for 500 ppm, I passed. Fairly rude when I offered an alternate amount.

Sweetcat ([URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f051e518-0e65-48ad-abde-788bd672d279[/URL]).

Basically the exact same story as above minus the rudeness.

PrettyBeauty ([URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/43a1f808-f2c9-4ccb-b7e8-a0c47f7c3204[/URL]).

Agreed to 250 ppm. I had to bail because something came up, but she seems pretty straightforward.

SexySavannah ([URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9a610432-4771-4559-85f3-c7192261a637[/URL]).

Asked for 600 ppm. Way outside of my range. Seems nice though.

FunForUsBoth ([URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6f11851a-3c4e-411e-bd66-ed821c2ed381[/URL]).

Met up with her a couple times for 400 ppm. Had a few drinks, talked, and hooked up. She's super nice, but we just didn't quite click imo.

This lovely lady wants 5 k a month. Best of luck.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/73075ccd-4b8f-4cd1-8906-97c06996196f[/URL]

SexySavannah was 250 and said she was clean but didn't have tests done that I know of. Wanted a cover. Which I don't argue with. If someone with no tests wants a cover. Then my thinking is maybe they are not too sure about themselves.

PrettyBeauty I texted her for a couple days. She wanted money just to meet and didn't have a car. I told her I would reimburse her for uber. She said for 100 we can meet in public. We didn't get into the ppm. I told her you are too much about the money and that our personalities wouldn't match up. She did text me again. But I ignored her. She is new so maybe she will come down to earth. I am done with seeking for know. Best of luck out there.

Have messaged back and forth with this one. Somewhat cryptic responses (may be using a translation app). I asked for her cell number and she wants to go to WhatsApp so I'm getting a pic seller / scammer vibe. Does anyone have any info on her to share?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0de8bf2f-ff44-4884-b463-490f23aa48dc[/URL]

[QUOTE=LovesToParty;6738527]Have messaged back and forth with this one. Somewhat cryptic responses (may be using a translation app). I asked for her cell number and she wants to go to WhatsApp so I'm getting a pic seller / scammer vibe. Does anyone have any info on her to share?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0de8bf2f-ff44-4884-b463-490f23aa48dc[/URL][/QUOTE]I've never had a lady who uses WhatsApp be a real SB. But, there's a first time for everything. Best of luck!!

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6737023]This lovely lady wants 5 k a month. Best of luck.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/73075ccd-4b8f-4cd1-8906-97c06996196f[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow! She's a real looker!! Did you try an initial meeting one time to see if the investment would be worth it?

LD.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/552c9b44-e74e-4a8b-a527-01e290fc83b5[/URL]

Submissiveangel11 Wants 100 up front through CashApp Wasn't going to do it abut asked for a confirmation pic with "her" doing something specific. They of course said no. Probably some loser in his mom's basement.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c1a751c1-fb96-43ca-aa4a-2c3bb2cc9efc[/URL]

Morgan Real but isn't interested in meeting only selling content. Wanted info so I inquired further. Will make personalized content. Pass but maybe some of why'all want that.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9b59502c-8408-4c2c-ba1d-709e659d577c[/URL]

Intoxicatedaries Wants to meet up and have a guy hand her 1 k for meeting. Nothing sexual- That comes the 2nd or 3rd meet for 1-2 hundo. Lmao.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ce072df1-9b97-4c1f-aa30-f38d01d04a66[/URL]

AlluringEnthusiast Chatted for a bit. Think she's a dancer and is definitely real. Forget her particulars but is affordable (especially for a dancer). Very sext and seems sane (for a dancer LOL).

[QUOTE=EpicSD;6740170][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/552c9b44-e74e-4a8b-a527-01e290fc83b5[/URL]

Submissiveangel11 Wants 100 up front through CashApp Wasn't going to do it abut asked for a confirmation pic with "her" doing something specific. They of course said no. Probably some loser in his mom's basement.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c1a751c1-fb96-43ca-aa4a-2c3bb2cc9efc[/URL]

Morgan Real but isn't interested in meeting only selling content. Wanted info so I inquired further. Will make personalized content. Pass but maybe some of why'all want that.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9b59502c-8408-4c2c-ba1d-709e659d577c[/URL]

Intoxicatedaries Wants to meet up and have a guy hand her 1 k for meeting. Nothing sexual- That comes the 2nd or 3rd meet for 1-2 hundo. Lmao.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ce072df1-9b97-4c1f-aa30-f38d01d04a66[/URL]

AlluringEnthusiast Chatted for a bit. Think she's a dancer and is definitely real. Forget her particulars but is affordable (especially for a dancer). Very sext and seems sane (for a dancer LOL).[/QUOTE]Epic, There are no sane dancers. Some are just more insane than others!

[QUOTE=EpicSD;6740170][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/552c9b44-e74e-4a8b-a527-01e290fc83b5[/URL]

Submissiveangel11 Wants 100 up front through CashApp Wasn't going to do it abut asked for a confirmation pic with "her" doing something specific. They of course said no. Probably some loser in his mom's basement.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c1a751c1-fb96-43ca-aa4a-2c3bb2cc9efc[/URL]

Morgan Real but isn't interested in meeting only selling content. Wanted info so I inquired further. Will make personalized content. Pass but maybe some of why'all want that.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9b59502c-8408-4c2c-ba1d-709e659d577c[/URL]

Intoxicatedaries Wants to meet up and have a guy hand her 1 k for meeting. Nothing sexual- That comes the 2nd or 3rd meet for 1-2 hundo. Lmao.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ce072df1-9b97-4c1f-aa30-f38d01d04a66[/URL]

AlluringEnthusiast Chatted for a bit. Think she's a dancer and is definitely real. Forget her particulars but is affordable (especially for a dancer). Very sext and seems sane (for a dancer LOL).[/QUOTE]I'm curious, how do you even get any of these women to respond, like at all? It's so weird because they don't even reply to at least discuss the arrangement, I just lie and say I'm flexible and open to chat about any arrangement and pretend like I can do their ridiculous requests but only to get info out of them to report. But a lot of the time they don't even give me the time of day to even say hi back.

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6740184]Epic, There are no sane dancers. Some are just more insane than others![/QUOTE]You're correct sensei!

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6740772]I'm curious, how do you even get any of these women to respond, like at all? It's so weird because they don't even reply to at least discuss the arrangement, I just lie and say I'm flexible and open to chat about any arrangement and pretend like I can do their ridiculous requests but only to get info out of them to report. But a lot of the time they don't even give me the time of day to even say hi back.[/QUOTE]This is the Million Dollar Question!! My armchair analysis of the sugar bowl is this:

The Millennial Generation of sugar babies is now in their early 30's. Most have retired from the game. I know 3 of my previous long term ladies are now married. 2 have children. So the Millennial options of ladies is significantly reduced!

If you are searching for a 25 YO lady, you are in Gen Z territory. The Gen Z ladies are more accustomed to Tinder and the online dating world. They bring that mentality into the sugar world. On Tinder, they only swipe right on the top 20% of dudes based on pics. Most handsome wins. The other 80% are ignored. Most of us in the sugar world are 80%ers. (I am at least.) So the challenge is more difficult than ever to attract the attention of an attractive 20 something to spend money on.

On the Men's side, many younger dudes are on SA. Since tinder is only successful for the top 20% of men, many have moved to SA for vanilla dating. That makes it more of a challenge for the dudes over 45 who are looking for a sugar partner. The younger vanilla guys are attracting attention of the hot chicks. If the hot chick wants to get paid to date, they have to weed through the younger dudes to find the ones willing to pay. They only move to the older dudes when the younger options have been exhausted.

As an older dude you have to up your photo game and use the tricks like the ladies do! Flattering angles. Filters. Bullcrap like that in order to hope to attract attention. (Unless you are in great shape or a younger dude willing to pay, who's in good shape, to get any traction with the attractive chicks. No filters necessary for those few dudes.).

Pre-pandemic it was much easier for us 80%ers to find a winning lady. Now, the playing field is crowded on the men's side and more limited on the lady's side.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6740772]I'm curious, how do you even get any of these women to respond, like at all? It's so weird because they don't even reply to at least discuss the arrangement, I just lie and say I'm flexible and open to chat about any arrangement and pretend like I can do their ridiculous requests but only to get info out of them to report. But a lot of the time they don't even give me the time of day to even say hi back.[/QUOTE]First- when searching I cast a wide net, often I search a 50 mile radius, but generally about 30 ish mile radius. I search 18-35 year olds- although the younger girls (18-21) are hard to pluck in our region. I have a standard message I copy and paste when I reach out, it contains some things about me and what I have to offer (without sounding arrogant) and I mention that I have been in successful arrangements. I alter the message to personalize it to the girl I'm hitting up. I have pics- most of them locked but when I send my opening message I almost always unlock my pics. I'm attractive and stay in shape. I have a unique look for SA so that helps. I also talk to the women like they're people and understand that the most important thing is that they feel safe and comfortable. Once chatting I ask basic questions and feel them out. If they are shy I ask them more plain questions. If they are flirty I say pretty sexual things. I also watch the wording, if it seems off, like they are using a translator I fuck with them. And if they solicit I block them, I'm not looking for a hooker.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6740772]I'm curious, how do you even get any of these women to respond, like at all? It's so weird because they don't even reply to at least discuss the arrangement, I just lie and say I'm flexible and open to chat about any arrangement and pretend like I can do their ridiculous requests but only to get info out of them to report. But a lot of the time they don't even give me the time of day to even say hi back.[/QUOTE]Interesting.

I have a different experience.

I would say about half my inbox is girls that respond to me and I just leave them on read and don't respond back.

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6743817]Interesting.

I have a different experience.

I would say about half my inbox is girls that respond to me and I just leave them on read and don't respond back.[/QUOTE]You're a hero. Please let us know how you are so good.

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6743817]Interesting.

I have a different experience.

I would say about half my inbox is girls that respond to me and I just leave them on read and don't respond back.[/QUOTE]So you messaged one that responded to you, and another one that you didn't reply back to?

Warning for all! Had a crazy encounter. I'll share with senior members in private messages.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=EpicSD;6746542]Warning for all! Had a crazy encounter. I'll share with senior members in private messages.

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]What, exactly, is the point of this place if all you're going to do is share info about a dangerous person with only select people? Defeats the entire purpose of this board. "Warning for all, but only some people will have clue what I'm even talking about despite me saying 'all. ' " Idjit.

And before you give me bs, I'm also a "senior member".

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6743817]Interesting.

I have a different experience.

I would say about half my inbox is girls that respond to me and I just leave them on read and don't respond back.[/QUOTE]I'll get us back on track.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/65376e2c-817c-4e7e-9d98-f8e69c8971a9[/URL]

Flake and rinser. She favorited me sometime ago when my sub expired, after I renewed, took her a while to even reply back despite her having put me on favorites so you can already tell how this might go. Texted her, she disappeared for some days so I made sure on a burner number she was still around. When we originally texted she said 3 bennis was ok and was hoping to set up a day. When I messaged her on the burner now she wanted 3 and a half bennis - 4 (obviously thought it was someone else) Just blocked her and tried on my regular number. She eventually replies back saying she had "curve balls in her life" and then gave me a sob story about her uncle passing cause of heart attack. Could be true, could not. I of course told sorry about that and her loss, yadda yadda. Said she is having difficulty trying to contribute to his funeral and I said I could maybe do 3. 5 roses. (remember she was ok with 3 before) she said if I could do 4. I tell her let me think about it. Next day we text a little more, and I offer a m&g she says she wants something out of it, even for just a m&g and I tell her how classy it must be to use a family member's death to get more cash, if it even happened and blocked her.

Update on "goddess" from DE [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/34c2e5a2-aac1-4c7e-9bec-0dccd693a94e[/URL].

I texted her on a burner, and yes. She's a rinser for sure. Wants pay for just hanging out and meeting and won't even do full intimacy. Will only suck dick because it's "her preference. " What a joke.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/13820293-ef59-4e55-9540-e0491dabe2c7[/URL]

Wouldn't send a verification pic but I don't think she's a scammer. But I've had almost all girls do a verification pic when asked and if she can't bother with something as something as a selfie to prove she's real, she's going to be awful in bed, not give a good time and probably ask for more. 4 and a half bennis always protection BTW. She's in Vineland now, according to her, not Mays Landing like her profile says, figured that was close enough to report here.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2a747c8f-220b-4c0b-bb88-336d75b295ce[/URL]

Ghosted me for no real reason. Didn't even get to figure out how much. Probably another rinser though because she stopped after I said I'm happy to do a m&g though some ladies want ppm even for just that so she probably decided I wasn't going to waste my money enough on her.

Not sure if this is the right place to post but if anyone wants to trade UTR info where would I post?

[QUOTE=EpicSD;6746542]Warning for all! Had a crazy encounter. I'll share with senior members in private messages.

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Smart choice. The person in question may read this board. Backchannel prevents retaliation.

[QUOTE=LurkingDog;6739969]Wow! She's a real looker!! Did you try an initial meeting one time to see if the investment would be worth it?

LD.[/QUOTE]There is no lady worth 5 k a month in this game. No reason to waste my time to meet.

With KCesar mentioning many scammers, it brought back a memory of a conversation I had with my steady SB back in 2020. She was a dime. A home run. Dudes would hit on her in WAWA all the time. Even once, when I was pumping gas for her and she was in her car, a dude walks past me to ask her for her number. It was surprising. She was always gracious but mostly annoyed by the attention.

She told me she had different responses on SA for different dudes based on how she vibes with them. If she knows from the jump she doesn't want to pursue an arrangement with a guy she will attempt some type of scam on them. If she thinks a dude has potential she will play it straight. I got lucky. She was the best partner I ever had in this game. We lasted 18 months. She's now engaged and living in a different city.

I often wonder if many ladies on the site now are taking this same approach to vetting us dudes for an arrangement? Scam for the undesirable and straight shooter for the potential.

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6747424]She told me she had different responses on SA for different dudes based on how she vibes with them. If she knows from the jump she doesn't want to pursue an arrangement with a guy she will attempt some type of scam on them. If she thinks a dude has potential she will play it straight. I got lucky. She was the best partner I ever had in this game. We lasted 18 months. She's now engaged and living in a different city.[/QUOTE]No offense to you, but that positive reinforcement is why they keep doing this so you're honestly contributing to the problem.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6747893]No offense to you, but that positive reinforcement is why they keep doing this so you're honestly contributing to the problem.[/QUOTE]I'm going to say it. I hope that cnt gets hit by a bus for that crap she tries to pull.

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6747424]
She told me she had different responses on SA for different dudes based on how she vibes with them. If she knows from the jump she doesn't want to pursue an arrangement with a guy she will attempt some type of scam on them. If she thinks a dude has potential she will play it straight. I got lucky. She was the best partner I ever had in this game. We lasted 18 months. .[/QUOTE]That's not a very smart move. A girl tells you that she scams guys, and you still pursue her? OK, she was fucking you, but she's willing to scam people, so you're lucky she didn't blackmail you, steal from you, etc. Or maybe she did steal and you don't even know.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6747893]No offense to you, but that positive reinforcement is why they keep doing this so you're honestly contributing to the problem.[/QUOTE]It's hard to resist.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c50a4a07-cb7a-46b2-97b2-f6032c9e1b8[/URL]

Scammer wants a "hello gift' before she'll meet. LMAO I explained to her that she's a rinser and she was insulted.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/163b533f-e81e-428f-9ae1-9695952acea1[/URL]

DaisyBaby- Cuter in the pics she sent. Nice body and reasonable ppm. But she insists on a condom. I have many leads with ladies that test regularly and are ok with raw if I produce clean tests. Which I can. Maybe she's someone's cup of tea.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f755c1af-61c8-46f2-86e7-b5527798a2d3[/URL]

Prettiestprincess- just a reminder. She's a meth head and willing to use any info against you if she can.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dceb1c39-9be6-444e-a062-89fb5e6c8f6a[/URL]

DreamyCutie- In the chat on seeking asked for 800-1000 per meet, but cheaper during the day. Bye bye. Pics are smokin hot but NOT THAT HOT LOL.

[QUOTE=EpicSD;6748612][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/163b533f-e81e-428f-9ae1-9695952acea1[/URL]

DaisyBaby- Cuter in the pics she sent. Nice body and reasonable ppm. But she insists on a condom. I have many leads with ladies that test regularly and are ok with raw if I produce clean tests. Which I can. Maybe she's someone's cup of tea.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f755c1af-61c8-46f2-86e7-b5527798a2d3[/URL]

Prettiestprincess- just a reminder. She's a meth head and willing to use any info against you if she can.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dceb1c39-9be6-444e-a062-89fb5e6c8f6a[/URL]

DreamyCutie- In the chat on seeking asked for 800-1000 per meet, but cheaper during the day. Bye bye. Pics are smokin hot but NOT THAT HOT LOL.[/QUOTE]The problem isn't always STD's. They're just paranoid they'll get pregnant / pregnant again. Could of course be an excuse but it's not an impossibility.

Is the second one the one you were mentioning about the "crazy encounter"?

And for the last one, did she at least verify pics? There's no verification through the site. Extremely hot pics are almost always TGTBT.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/30da582a-7b67-431d-9c35-34641b0f1b86[/URL]

Anyone know anything about her?

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6748831]The problem isn't always STD's. They're just paranoid they'll get pregnant / pregnant again. Could of course be an excuse but it's not an impossibility.

Is the second one the one you were mentioning about the "crazy encounter"?

And for the last one, did she at least verify pics? There's no verification through the site. Extremely hot pics are almost always TGTBT.[/QUOTE]PrettyPrincess is not the most recent crazy ass. But she is capable of meth head crap.

Last one did not verify pics- she just opened with a huge ppm ask.

- Also, has anyone noticed that every chick from King Of Prussia is a pro or off just a little? I've never me a woman from KOP but I have met them from NJ, Phoenixville, Delco, Montco and Bucks. Hmmmm.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6748841]
Anyone know anything about her?[/QUOTE]I know she's had a profile for over a year and it says she hasn't been with a man in 7. 😅.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6748841][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/30da582a-7b67-431d-9c35-34641b0f1b86[/URL]

Anyone know anything about her?[/QUOTE]We were chatting for a couple days. She's real but then she asked if I could send her some money for something (I forget exactly what) and I wished her luck.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2a49fdf6-7203-4a9d-a0db-ba00e8ab5931[/URL]

SadQueenM- dances somewhere. Said she got 1 k just to meet someone at a bar. Wished her well.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cd60d6ae-1a9d-4d14-9b42-c64284568748[/URL]

Mia- got right to it in the chat. Asked for 350 to meet. That shit worries me because of how men get treated by the site. I asked her to text and she said that she doesn't do chats. Well ***** I don't do getting banned for having that convo on the site.