"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Castlerae; 1352306]Not from your area, but a fellow hobbyist crusing this thread and saw your post. I bought and used a pre-paid a couple of years back to make a purchase I didn't want on my regular credit card statement. You pay for the card, then you have to "activate" it by contacting the company that issued it. When you do this, the first thing they ask you for is a bank account that the card can be linked to. So, if you want a pre-paid that has no connection to you, you'll have to figure out some way to set up an account in another name you can make deposits to. Not easy. For myself, I found that some hotels need a credit card, but if you pay after you leave with cash, nothing appears on your card, so the whole transaction is more or less a "ghost" transaction. You probably know that though, so I hope the info on pre-paid cards is helpful. This is an interesting concept, and one I'm giving serious thought to investigating further (there being a large university not too far from where I live). Any advice in a PM would be greatly appreciated.

Good luck and good hunting.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info Castle. I suppose a single transfer for $500 to a pre-paid card on a bank statement is less suspicious than 5 charges on different dates from Motel 6 on a credit card statement. But there must be a statement for the pre-paid card's transactions somewhere, right? In my case I've just found it easier to bury the transactions in an unconcealed card and restrict access to the statement. Others have also recommended cash at hotel checkout and I should probably do that.

Setting up an account in another name can be done of course as a business, but you have to apply for a new taxpayer identification number from the IRS before you can open a bank account. You'll want to avoid doing anything that has tax reporting implications, like earning interest. It might work for some, but for me it would just be another difficult-to-explain complication.

In general, I believe as you ramp up complex security schemes you become more likely to break some law of banking or the hotel business or tax law or some other damn law you never heard of (think John Edwards) and that invites attention from leo.

I favor keeping things as simple as possible.

Good luck penetrating some choice university vaginas. There are lots of helpful posts here. Let us know how it goes.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1352418]I set up a lunch meeting with SB1. I don't know the area where she wants to meet. I ask her to suggest a place (error 1). I don't like where she picks. Sh tells me to pick one. So, I do. Sends me an email. She doesn't like where I picked. Well, I'm waiting for her when I get the email. Ok, already, I'm not liking this. As I roll out, I get a phone call from her. She has a work emergency and can't make it to lunch, but if I'm willing to come by her work she will run out and meet me (Really). So I show up in the office parking lot, call her and lo and behold she comes out. Dressed in her business attire complete with numerous corporate badges and security cards, looking much better than her photos. Hops in the car and we have a 5 minute conversation about nothing. Tells me she has a meeting and will call me in two hours. No call. Guess I failed my chemistry test. No joy for the Cmdr. LOL![/QUOTE]Unless it's a safety or anonymity issue, I've always felt that it's best to meet a potential SB at a place they suggest. It's all about making them feel comfortable with the process. Many of them are already in uncharted, unfamiliar territory stepping into the SB realm. Anything you can do to increase their comfort level also increases your chances of making a connection.

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1352275]For what it's worth, I'm for it, Scott. Call it something like "Legal Security Measures," or somesuch. I'd read every post.

I think this thread would remain as the chronicle of fucking sugarbabies. How to do it, how I did it (aka chest thumping) , the one that got away, how to do it better, all that stuff.

But security measures are applicable to all kinds of mongering.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]I trust I did it correctly. Can pertinent posts from this thread be moved over to the new one, or is it a cut and paste process?

I eagerly look forward to learning!

Scott

So, as I said, I've been out of the game for a while, my experimentation with consuming pretty sugarbabes having climaxed, so to speak, with a multifuckfest with my 23 year old sb18, after which I more or less dropped out of the scene.

Reading about the exploits of you mongers has gotten some of my sparkplugs firing and of course I want to see if I can still fuck a few young pussies if I feel like it. Every old monger does, right?

But I'm starting off the easy way, by contacting some of my former sbs.

I tried contacting the 23 year old, so far no response and its been some weeks. I think she's done with me.

Next I emailed sb9 and sb4, both of whose pussies you've seen in my uploaded pix early last year (although not very clearly, I admit).

No response yet from atf sb4. I think she's mulling whether I am worth it.

I haven't been in contact with sb9 since last summer and haven't seen her since last spring, but she immediately emailed back she's eager to see me. Has lots to tell me, etc. As always, no mention of sugar. If things go well I'll see her in about three weeks or so and fuck her brains out.

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Scott, I don't know the answer to your question. I assume you can cut and paste. I don't know if you can transfer posts.

I got a pm from a new sugarbabe monger who wants to know if HYBs or MILFs should get more sugar.

It's the kind of question where more than one opinion is valuable I think so I'm responding publicly.

My belief is that its best not to mention any specific amount before you have actually had your dick in her pussy and in many cases you won't have to. Golf has written extensively on this point. If she insists on a negotiation up front, you are on your way to paying more and enjoying it less.

HYBs have better looking assets but MILFs may be tougher negotiators. A rule of thumb is to figure out what a comparable escort would charge and use that as a starting point. If you have six pack abs and look like a movie star you can probably get away with less. If you're a decrepit overweight geezer, you'll probably need to up the ante if you want her to return for a repeat fucking.

But every situation is different, because the girls are all different.

Others have much better thought out procedures than I do so I hope they respond to this question as well.

Gentlemen,

I have tried and tried to keep the discussion of an amount of sugar out of the first fuck equation, but it has only worked like that for me three times out of 16 babies. I have established an amount in my head that I am comfortable with, and when the topic arises, that is what I tell them I have done in the past. Could I have gotten away cheaper? Possibly, but I don't want to think about it, and certainly don't want to dwell on it.

My thought process is this: I know how long I have to work to make that amount, and I ask myself if I am willing to trade it for an all-area access pass to the HYB that is standing before me? If the answer is yes, then I put it out of my mind. I want to get panties on the floor as quickly as possible, honestly, and endless back-and-forthing is distracting.

Lit's good benchmark, that of a mid-level escort in one's particular region, is sound, and what I have used to determine my own amount. That said, when I am on the road I do a little homework and have found that in some of the smaller or mid-size southern or mid-western cities, pussy can be had at a somewhat lesser cost than on my home turf.

I don't discount or add on for MILFs. Everyone gets the same amount. Only one baby has ever complained, and that was the hot artist / model, and only until I reminded her that it was the amount she had agreed to less than 12 hours earlier. Beauty and brains did not come together in that little package.

In the end, figure out what you are comfortable paying, and then just pay it. In my experience, more sugar did not get me a better fuck the few times I have acquiesced to a higher amount. It just made me crabby afterwards.

Scott

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1352724]So, as I said, I've been out of the game for a while, my experimentation with consuming pretty sugarbabes having climaxed, so to speak, with a multifuckfest with my 23 year old sb18, after which I more or less dropped out of the scene.

Reading about the exploits of you mongers has gotten some of my sparkplugs firing and of course I want to see if I can still fuck a few young pussies if I feel like it. Every old monger does, right?

I haven't been in contact with sb9 since last summer and haven't seen her since last spring, but she immediately emailed back she's eager to see me. Has lots to tell me, etc. As always, no mention of sugar. If things go well I'll see her in about three weeks or so and fuck her brains out.[/QUOTE]Lit,

Glad to read that you are on the prowl again. Fountain of Youth, my brother!

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1352782]Gentlemen,

I have tried and tried to keep the discussion of an amount of sugar out of the first fuck equation, but it has only worked like that for me three times out of 16 babies. I have established an amount in my head that I am comfortable with, and when the topic arises, that is what I tell them I have done in the past. Could I have gotten away cheaper? Possibly, but I don't want to think about it, and certainly don't want to dwell on it.

My thought process is this: I know how long I have to work to make that amount, and I ask myself if I am willing to trade it for an all-area access pass to the HYB that is standing before me? If the answer is yes, then I put it out of my mind. I want to get panties on the floor as quickly as possible, honestly, and endless back-and-forthing is distracting.

Lit's good benchmark, that of a mid-level escort in one's particular region, is sound, and what I have used to determine my own amount. That said, when I am on the road I do a little homework and have found that in some of the smaller or mid-size southern or mid-western cities, pussy can be had at a somewhat lesser cost than on my home turf.

I don't discount or add on for MILFs. Everyone gets the same amount. Only one baby has ever complained, and that was the hot artist / model, and only until I reminded her that it was the amount she had agreed to less than 12 hours earlier. Beauty and brains did not come together in that little package.

In the end, figure out what you are comfortable paying, and then just pay it. In my experience, more sugar did not get me a better fuck the few times I have acquiesced to a higher amount. It just made me crabby afterwards.

Scott[/QUOTE]Scott's reply is exactly why I took the question out of pm and posted it for comment. We have different experiences with the sbs. There's no quarreling with success and Scott's method obviously works and should be considered by everyone.

All I will say is that in my case, the 12 sbs in 5 months last year, more than half never asked about sugar. Golf has similar experience as you will see if he decides to chime in or you can go back and read his posts.

Golf's approach is more gentlemanly than mine however, he does do meet and greets, and mine is less overtly mercenary than Scott's ("mercenary" only in the sense that it means "talking about money").

I don't talk about sugar unless I absolutely have to. I prefer not to do meet and greets if I don't have to. In either case, my goal is to get the young lady into a room alone with me. I've been able to do this without a meet and greet several times. If she enters the room, she knows she is going to get fucked (with her consent, of course) and she won't bring up sugar at that point because she doesn't want to feel like a pro.

So if you focus on getting her into the Fucking Chamber, why, to borrow a phrase from Golf,"the clothes will come flying off."

Just my views. Great topic. More comments, please.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1352950]I don't talk about sugar unless I absolutely have to. I prefer not to do meet and greets if I don't have to. In either case, my goal is to get the young lady into a room alone with me. I've been able to do this without a meet and greet several times. If she enters the room, she knows she is going to get fucked (with her consent, of course) and she won't bring up sugar at that point because she doesn't want to feel like a pro.[/QUOTE]No meet and greet? No sugar talk? And if I remember correctlly, no photo? And still 12 babies bedded? Good God, Lit, you must be one eloquent SOB! Teach me some of that magic, please!

Seriously, though, your point about multiple approaches, with no single one being the exclusive technique, should be remembered. One must stay focused but fluid. Each baby is her own unique puzzle.

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1353004]No meet and greet? No sugar talk? And if I remember correctlly, no photo? And still 12 babies bedded? Good God, Lit, you must be one eloquent SOB! Teach me some of that magic, please!

Seriously, though, your point about multiple approaches, with no single one being the exclusive technique, should be remembered. One must stay focused but fluid. Each baby is her own unique puzzle.

Scott[/QUOTE]Scott, your success proves that your approach works. I don't dispute that at all. In fact, I'm glad to know it does. With several babies when I first started I spend endless emails talking about sugar. It didn't seem to result in mutual satisfaction.

Now I don't talk sugar usually at all but in the setup emails I talk about a relationship and benefits. I lead them on to think there will be more than one time. They may think they will get a regular income.

By the time I get to the third email exchange, after I've established she want to meet, I ask whether she'd like to meet in some public place or meet in a hotel. Several have chosen to come straight to the hotel and start the relationship.

In fairness, the majority have opted to meet outside the hotel room (or their home) just so they can see what I look like. Only three have wanted me to buy them a drink or something to eat. Only two wanted to see me and then delay a week before they came to the fucking chamber. My belief is they just want to be sure I'm not totally disgusting. I doubt they would date me if I tried to pick them up in a regular way. My theory is that all you have to be to fuck a sugarbaby is clean and have all your teeth.

Yes I post a photo, but it is lo resolution and obscure. I'm thinking about posting a photo of someone else who resembles me (a trick I read about in one of the posts here).

I just find it helpful to focus on getting her into the fucking chamber. It's like a puzzle. Or maybe trapping a bird. Once she is in the chamber she knows what's going to happen so it's easy.

SB2. (MILF. 40, HWP, Average Looks) Met with her for coffee. Made small talk. Passed my chemistry test. Meeting in the FC scheduled for next week. No sugar talk.

I appreciate the advice posted here. We all have to find the methods that work best for us and the particular baby. In the end it is all about putting the moisture seeking missile on target.

Cmdr out

Thanks for all the encouragement. Did I fuck up?

Tried the intown for a short period and quickly found a SB. Met at a bar and plied her with drink and food. Get's around to Sugar. No seems low but no definate no. Asks if I will provide Sugar for meeting her. No, dinner and drinks is all. Call her later. Now no answer. Assume SB is less than going Escort rate but maybe wrong. Advice guys? If SB is same as escort why do I want them?

This is an interesting question, so I studied my notes. Here are the results for my sbs:

Sb1. Agreed to hotel in advance, picked her up, took her to hotel and fucked her.

Sb2. Met her for meet and greet, fucked her a week later.

Sb4. Met her for lunch, drove to her place afterwards and fucked her.

Sb5. Met in parking lot, walked to her place and walked right out when she asked for too much sugar for FS but offered BJ, she emailed me to come back, fucked her the next week.

Sb6. Met her in my hotel room and fucked her.

Sb8. Met her at her home, she was too heavy for me, so I fingered her, took pussy pix and left.

Sb9. Met her for 5 minutes at a bar, fucked her a week later.

Sb12. Met her in my hotel room and fucked her.

Sb14. Met her in my hotel room and fucked her.

Sb16. Met her at my hotel bar, took her to room and fucked her.

Sb18. Met her in my hotel room and fucked her.

Sb3. Met her for meet and greet, fucked her three months later.

Sb11. Agreed to hotel in advance, picked her up, took her to hotel and fucked her.

Conclusion: Formal meet and greets are usually not necessary. Most sbs do prefer to check you out briefly before they enter the fucking chamber. Some sbs will agree to meet in your hotel room. There are variations, but that summarizes my experience.

I get horny just studying this data.

Unfortunately no sugarbaby pussy for Mr Johnson for the next several weeks. On the plus side, sb4 (my atf with a perfect ass) replied to my email and wants me to come fuck her again after all, so there's that to look forward to, as well as sb9, when I can get free. I wonder if atf sb18 will ever reply. It will be difficult for me to get to her if she does, but a whiff of sb pussy can pull a monger a long way down the road.

So I'm looking forward to a few good sessions with girls I've been with before. But it's not the same as the excitement you get chasing a new girl.

Anyway, that my opinion. Others may differ.

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1353369]Conclusion: Formal meet and greets are usually not necessary. Most sbs do prefer to check you out briefly before they enter the fucking chamber. Some sbs will agree to meet in your hotel room. There are variations, but that summarizes my experience.

I get horny just studying this data.

Unfortunately no sugarbaby pussy for Mr Johnson for the next several weeks. On the plus side, sb4 (my atf with a perfect ass) replied to my email and wants me to come fuck her again after all, so there's that to look forward to, as well as sb9, when I can get free. I wonder if atf sb18 will ever reply. It will be difficult for me to get to her if she does, but a whiff of sb pussy can pull a monger a long way down the road.

So I'm looking forward to a few good sessions with girls I've been with before. But it's not the same as the excitement you get chasing a new girl.

Anyway, that my opinion. Others may differ.[/QUOTE]I've bedded 12 SB's from 18/40 years old. I've never had a meet and great and I don't supply a picture. Only a detailed description. I've met them in the parking lot of the fucking chamber and some come directly to the room. I usually have extensive Email conversation where I make them comfortable with the concept. I let them know that the looks issue takes 10 nano seconds to resolve and if I'm not acceptable then No harm. No foul. Lit is right that they just want to know you're not horrible. They're not looking for a 20 something hard body. They can get that at any bar they go to. They meet with us for financial support and hopefully some good sex. My latest was Tuesday. She pulled into the parking lot, jumped out of the car, hugged me and started crying. I asked her why. She said;"You're not ugly." I laughed, took her to the FC and for the next three hours fucked every orifice in her body except her eyes and ears. (and I thought about the ears). For me; so far so good. Anyway, that's my experience.

Coolhand

Cool, thanks for your data about meet and greets. We are contributing to the good work that has been done before by other mongers in this group.

Another interesting question is, do you have to talk a specific amount of sugar in advance with a sb?

Here's my data:

Sb1. No.

Sb2. No.

Sb4. Yes.

Sb5. Yes.

Sb6. No.

Sb8. No.

Sb9. No.

Sb12. Yes. Long negotiations took a couple months.

Sb14. No.

Sb16. No.

Sb18. No.

Sb3. Yes. Long negotiations took three months.

Sb11. No.

Conclusion: Most of the time you don't have to talk about a specific amount of sugar in advance. You just give the baby what you feel like after you've fucked her. However, I believe she is more likely to open up again if you sugar her adequately the first time. Some sbs do like to negotiate. In my experience, this usually means a delayed penetration.

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Here's an extreme example of the delaying effect of talking sugar in advance. A pretty Euro model type listed on sd4me early last year wouldn't agree to meet without talking sugar. I think she was sb7 (I forget). We emailed back and forth for months. She insisted $1K was her rock bottom. Obviously this girl is more like a high end escort than a true sb. I ordered Mr Johnson to stay the hell out of it, but he agreed to the $1K anyway. Luckily for me, sb9 came along and diverted Johnson's attention so there was no contact. Sb7 then left the country. This was last March. She just landed back in the US yesterday and emailed me. I am not going to give this beauty $1k. But goddam Johnson has set her expectations way high now. I have to find a way to lower them. I have a feeling this haggling will go on for several more months. I need a creative strategy.