Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3419722]You make some great points about the relative ease with which these girls can make money if they just get their shit together, but your comments would carry more weight if you'd ever had an actual, good hobby experience; granted, your stories are comedy gold, but they function more as a warning about the hobby than reviews.

If you have one good encounter out of ten, and you're paying $40 per encounter, you're actually paying $400 for one good encounter; that's not really a bargain.

I'm probably at the other extreme of "careful and selective", but I have better than a 95% success rate on sessions, and I can recall ONE instance of a girl "flaking" in twenty-five years in the hobby (and that was an OTC stripper, not a proper escort). My value to cost ratio is pretty close to 1. I've never, ever "tipped", though; I like everything fixed cost, fair, and transparent, and I can't say I ever "talk" to these girls (other than to say "uh huh" and "oh, really?" if they go on about themselves) because once we're on the clock, I focus on service delivery; that said, if someone gets off on "being friends", whatever, it has no impact on me.

But it's pretty rich for someone who pours money into the hobby on a regular basis, receiving almost literally nothing in return, to go on about other people being "man puppets" or "simps".

O.[/QUOTE]I'm willing to bet Johnny's experiences would not improve if he paid more. The image you both project is different, also I'm sure your price point is way higher. A 300 chip provider BETTER give great service.

What price point do you suggest for having a high success rate Ozy? Inform us since you are in the know.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3419872]

What price point do you suggest for having a high success rate Ozy? Inform us since you are in the know.[/QUOTE]Interestingly, it's gone down over the years.

In the 90's, and maybe very early 2000's, it was kind of understood than an hour with an escort was $300. That was the typical rate at the Brazilian incalls, for agency escorts, better spa girls (like the New Yorkers they used to import for the week at Gold Spa), etc. Independents usually billed about $250, though sometimes higher. This was before Craigslist (or Backpage) came along as a major advertiser of adult services, so girls could only become an escort if they either got hired by an agency, or if they had the moxy to hang out their own shingle and advertise themselves.

Eventually, Craigslist and Backpage happened, and it was easy for some dumb pimp to advertise his girls, flooding the market, lowering average quality, and exerting downward pressure on rates; the Lehman crisis and real estate downturn exacerbated this trend. These days, I'd say hourly? I'm thinking $150 hourly for an independent young, beautiful spinner; $100-$120 if it's a regular thing. That's everything: BBBJ, GFE, BBFS (if desired), eager and smiling, squeaky clean, nice incall. I can afford more, but why pay more than it's worth? That's what the market bears, IMHO (Atlanta pricing).

If I ran an Atlanta agency, I'd probably shoot for $200/ hour, stripper / model quality girls under 25, BBBJ, CFS, GFE.

O.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3420304]Interestingly, it's gone down over the years.

In the 90's, and maybe very early 2000's, it was kind of understood than an hour with an escort was $300. That was the typical rate at the Brazilian incalls, for agency escorts, better spa girls (like the New Yorkers they used to import for the week at Gold Spa), etc. Independents usually billed about $250, though sometimes higher. This was before Craigslist (or Backpage) came along as a major advertiser of adult services, so girls could only become an escort if they either got hired by an agency, or if they had the moxy to hang out their own shingle and advertise themselves.

Eventually, Craigslist and Backpage happened, and it was easy for some dumb pimp to advertise his girls, flooding the market, lowering average quality, and exerting downward pressure on rates; the Lehman crisis and real estate downturn exacerbated this trend. These days, I'd say hourly? I'm thinking $150 hourly for an independent young, beautiful spinner; $100-$120 if it's a regular thing. That's everything: BBBJ, GFE, BBFS (if desired), eager and smiling, squeaky clean, nice incall. I can afford more, but why pay more than it's worth? That's what the market bears, IMHO (Atlanta pricing).

If I ran an Atlanta agency, I'd probably shoot for $200/ hour, stripper / model quality girls under 25, BBBJ, CFS, GFE.

O.[/QUOTE]I think 150 is too much for the BP providers, and I've never had a good session at that price point.

Paying 150 would piss me off, especially when the service turns out to be subpar or horrible.

Well, actually, changing the subject on price point may not be such a bad idea. It's like politics or religion. No one has ever convinced anyone their beliefs are wrong. I saw a quote on Facebook a while back. "Dude! Your constant political points of view and memes have changed my thinking completely, said no one ever!" I've participated, but now I'm bored of it so on to something new.

Anyway, my rant is this:

Begin rant. Does anyone else get tired of seeing ads from these girls with a Title like, "Sweet, companion, to cater to your needs" or "I'll treat you like a King" and then in the ad, have no this and no that for half of the ad. I don't expect these girls to be advertising experts, but even an eejit should be able to see the contradictions. My favorites are the ones that state "fetish friendly" and then go on to say, everything covered, no Greek, no GFE, no AA, no no, no, no, no. I guess there is something to be said for an easy screening, but I see so freaking many. I've gotten to where I don't even bother reading the ads anymore, I scan them, when I see no this and no that, if you do xy or z you'll be blocked ostracized and persecuted. Blah Blah Blah. I don't know, it's just an annoyance I have developed. It's not just BP, it's nearly every site including personal websites. I almost want to offer consultant services for trade to teach them how to advertise and provide better service. End rant.

[QUOTE=MrHobbyist;3420687]Well, actually, changing the subject on price point may not be such a bad idea. It's like politics or religion. No one has ever convinced anyone their beliefs are wrong. I saw a quote on Facebook a while back. "Dude! Your constant political points of view and memes have changed my thinking completely, said no one ever!" I've participated, but now I'm bored of it so on to something new.

Anyway, my rant is this:

Begin rant. Does anyone else get tired of seeing ads from these girls with a Title like, "Sweet, companion, to cater to your needs" or "I'll treat you like a King" and then in the ad, have no this and no that for half of the ad. I don't expect these girls to be advertising experts, but even an eejit should be able to see the contradictions. My favorites are the ones that state "fetish friendly" and then go on to say, everything covered, no Greek, no GFE, no AA, no no, no, no, no. I guess there is something to be said for an easy screening, but I see so freaking many. I've gotten to where I don't even bother reading the ads anymore, I scan them, when I see no this and no that, if you do xy or z you'll be blocked ostracized and persecuted. Blah Blah Blah. I don't know, it's just an annoyance I have developed. It's not just BP, it's nearly every site including personal websites. I almost want to offer consultant services for trade to teach them how to advertise and provide better service. End rant.[/QUOTE]That freaking post was so on point I couldn't have written it better myself. I almost spewed coffee all over the keyboard reading it, LOL. I have noticed the same thing time and agian but you finally put it in words and I couldn't agree with it more. Damn I hate all the NO's and qualifiers. Especially after saying they are fetish friendly and willing to treat like a king. Imagine a consort of the King saying NO to anything he asked! She'd be 10 inches shorter the next minute, LOL!

You hit this RANT out of the park Hobbist. Thanks for expressing it and for the laughs!

[QUOTE=MrHobbyist;3420687]Well, actually, changing the subject on price point may not be such a bad idea. It's like politics or religion. No one has ever convinced anyone their beliefs are wrong. I saw a quote on Facebook a while back. "Dude! Your constant political points of view and memes have changed my thinking completely, said no one ever!" I've participated, but now I'm bored of it so on to something new.

Anyway, my rant is this:

Begin rant. Does anyone else get tired of seeing ads from these girls with a Title like, "Sweet, companion, to cater to your needs" or "I'll treat you like a King" and then in the ad, have no this and no that for half of the ad. I don't expect these girls to be advertising experts, but even an eejit should be able to see the contradictions. My favorites are the ones that state "fetish friendly" and then go on to say, everything covered, no Greek, no GFE, no AA, no no, no, no, no. I guess there is something to be said for an easy screening, but I see so freaking many. I've gotten to where I don't even bother reading the ads anymore, I scan them, when I see no this and no that, if you do xy or z you'll be blocked ostracized and persecuted. Blah Blah Blah. I don't know, it's just an annoyance I have developed. It's not just BP, it's nearly every site including personal websites. I almost want to offer consultant services for trade to teach them how to advertise and provide better service. End rant.[/QUOTE]Matching a good direct response copywriter with skilled, GFE escorts would literally be printing money. (And trust me, I think about it once a month or so.).

And the reality, as you note, is the opposite.

Anyone who has ever read Robert Bly's "Copywriter's Handbook" (and if you own a business or manage a portfolio of companies, this is s MUST READ) knows the importance of matching copy to headline. A good gift for the hoe in your life, perhaps!

O.

I swore I was done with this idiotic theme, but since I'm mentioned.

Somehow, the idea that someone charging $60 for a quick visit "has it good" doesn't quite register with me. Sounds like a tough way to build a 401 k, pay for health insurance, and afford a mortgage or even rent.

And, as far as the jobs thing, been there done that. I've helped more than 10 ladies find jobs since 2000. Never been a hint of quid pro quo. Some work (or did) in government offices, at least 2 are certified teachers, one went to work in an insurance office, and one (the only one I still communicate with) is a very well paid writer / communications person.

All were on hard times, in almost every case relating to a dead beat spouse.

Now, given that info, I'm again done with this thread and the misogynistic trolls who spend far too much time trashing others.

And, by the way, calling anyone a "retard" is a great way to destroy your own credibility.

Selah.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3419256]It let's you look into the minds of these man puppet / simps. Its funny how all these people who agree with Allen981 all have the same mentality as him. They all have this white knight soft hearted holier than thou mentality thinking that they're somehow helping these chics by "padding the envelope" and going out of their way to "treat them with respect". Guess what, at the end of the day your still a "stupid horny trick" just like the other guy who brow beated a chic for $40 service. Just look at the backpage review thread where someone who post very few reviews and gives little to no info on the board, calls me out for not giving chics high performance scores as if they're somewhat entitled to it.

These are the same guys that will write bogus exaggerated reviews, pad the envelope before services rendered, take chics out to dinner, go shopping for these chics before they get to a chics incall, etc. These dudes are so sensitive and corny that you can literally see them crying as they read an unfavourable review or read how a guy just low-balled a chic for a $30 qv. Dudes, this is not Somalia or fucking Afghanistan! This is America, a 1st world country. None of these chics are starving or doing this out of desperation. What some of these chics are charging for an all-covered qv service, you can get for a whole night in some 3rd world countries.

These chics are the ones who are getting over on you, not the other way around. These chics can get a legal job, welfare assistance, housing assistance, free help from churches, salvation Army, Goodwill and such. None of these chics are starving. If they say they are, just ask them what happened with the last person that told them they would be there in 20 minutes and chic decided to flake on them when they got there. Ask them about the last person that offered them $60 qv but they turned it down because they thought they wete too good for $60.

Reality is, these chics have got it good. There are not too many places in the world where an unknown gal can place an ad on the internet and charge $100 for a qv and actually get customers. Try that south of the border and see how many customers she gets. These chics are fully aware of what they're doing and they're doing this out of their own free will. They do this because they want that easy quick tax free money. If you sensitive guys are so benevolent as you think you are, why not call up random providers on backpage and offer them monetary assistance with no sexual compensation.

Offer to help them find a job with no sexual favors exchanged. I bet none of you holier than thou fools will do that. You still will be browsing the escort ads looking for chics who can suck your dick right. Your still gunna pad that envelope with extra money and give chics 7-9 in performance so she can suck your dick right. In my opinion, you dudes are worse than the dudes that lowball a chic for $40 service. You guys in your warped universe and warped way of thinking are actually trying to rationalize paying for sexual favors from "dehumanized commodity ".

Get a clue you retards. Your actually adding to the dehumanization of these chics. You think she feels better because she's sucking your dick for $200, opposed to sucking Parrot Range's dick for 15 bones. Your both adding to a chics dehumanization. Your just the dumbass that decided to pay more.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Allen981;3422189]I swore I was done with this idiotic theme, but since I'm mentioned.

Somehow, the idea that someone charging $60 for a quick visit "has it good" doesn't quite register with me. Sounds like a tough way to build a 401 k, pay for health insurance, and afford a mortgage or even rent.

And, as far as the jobs thing, been there done that. I've helped more than 10 ladies find jobs since 2000. Never been a hint of quid pro quo. Some work (or did) in government offices, at least 2 are certified teachers, one went to work in an insurance office, and one (the only one I still communicate with) is a very well paid writer / communications person.

All were on hard times, in almost every case relating to a dead beat spouse.

Now, given that info, I'm again done with this thread and the misogynistic trolls who spend far too much time trashing others.

Selah.[/QUOTE]Dude stop it. You buy pussy just like the rest of us. We're all the same whether you like it or not. If you care so much delete your account and stop paying money to rent their body parts. The nerve of this guy LOL. You yourself don't practice what you preach because otherwise you wouldn't have sex with some "victims" of this horrible world and assist others. How do you determine who is worthy? You sir are full of shite.

Let's have a look below at your post from the GANG BANG THREAD

[QUOTE=Allen981;3283954]Mrmojo69, thanks. Young lady at midday was off the charts, unreal enthusiastic and gorgeous. Don't know how many showed up, but you missed out if you didn't show. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]

Did you get her a job? Did you help her plan her 401k? Or did you pay money and shove your cock in her holes. Geez man you don't even realize how rediculous you sound. I don't take anyone serious who speaks of chivalry on THIS site. Least of all someone who just ran a train on a disenfranchised poor poor down on her luck temporary only vagina peddling saleswoman.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3422189]I swore I was done with this idiotic theme, but since I'm mentioned.

Somehow, the idea that someone charging $60 for a quick visit "has it good" doesn't quite register with me. Sounds like a tough way to build a 401 k, pay for health insurance, and afford a mortgage or even rent

Now, given that info, I'm again done with this thread and the misogynistic trolls who spend far too much time trashing others.

And, by the way, calling anyone a "retard" is a great way to destroy your own credibility.

Selah.[/QUOTE]As a mysogonist, I take offense to being called a troll by Captain Save a Ho. My question is this: why would someone partake in this hobby at all when it's obvious they have been drawn hook line and sinker into believing these woman need or even want to be "saved" it stands to reason that anyone so morally superior would be working for an advocacy group dedicated to saving hoes.

As the Captain of said organization I find it reprehensible that he would partake in the very thing he so vehemently opposes. It's akin to the hypocritical priest that preaches morality and abstinence after partaking in the joys of the alter boy the day before.

What would such a saint be doing on this particular site in the first place? I call bullshit on the high horse from which the good Captain sits. I have concluded Captain Save a Ho is baiting the crowd for attention. I don't want to ruin my credibility by stating how retarded the logic sounds, but you have to admit, it lends itself to be intellectually challenged by there mere simpleminded contradiction the idea represents.

Oh, one final thing, what the hell does selah mean anyway? I'd look it up, but I'm not sure I want that in my search history.

[QUOTE=MrHobbyist;3422448]As a mysogonist, I take offense to being called a troll by Captain Save a Ho. My question is this: why would someone partake in this hobby at all when it's obvious they have been drawn hook line and sinker into believing these woman need or even want to be "saved" it stands to reason that anyone so morally superior would be working for an advocacy group dedicated to saving hoes.

As the Captain of said organization I find it reprehensible that he would partake in the very thing he so vehemently opposes. It's akin to the hypocritical priest that preaches morality and abstinence after partaking in the joys of the alter boy the day before.

What would such a saint be doing on this particular site in the first place? I call bullshit on the high horse from which the good Captain sits. I have concluded Captain Save a Ho is baiting the crowd for attention. I don't want to ruin my credibility by stating how retarded the logic sounds, but you have to admit, it lends itself to be intellectually challenged by there mere simpleminded contradiction the idea represents.

Oh, one final thing, what the hell does selah mean anyway? I'd look it up, but I'm not sure I want that in my search history.[/QUOTE]Selah - "in the Bible, occurring frequently at the end of a verse in Psalms. " Hence the poster adding it to the end of his post. Kinda strange, but, whatever.

People often mask their self imposed guilt for their perceived moral failures by publicly proclaiming moral superiority. I guess we are all guilty of this weakness to some extent. And, perhaps, it serves some higher societal purpose by balancing things out. Who knows.

Personally, I have very much liked some of the professional ladies I have enjoyed screwing. I also have a favorite waitress at my favorite restaurant. Our personalities click. We have a connection. I may choose to leave a big tip because I'm feeling generous. Or I may want to reward exceptional service. Or I may learn through conversation that they have a need and I want to help out. The act of good will is between me and the service provider. If I delude myself into believing it's a penance, I'm just a fool. Many people delude themselves in all sorts of ways. If I pay her to "like" me, I'm setting myself up for disappointment. If I look down my nose as a superior human being and toss some change at the lady or "help" her, that's a very poor reflection on me. Personally, I just look forward to the next opportunity to patronize the lady.

I don't P2 P with anyone who hasn't invited me to do so and I don't P2 P with anyone (more than once) who doesn't enthusiastically enjoy her work. Sounds like the gangbang lady was fantastic! I would love to make her acquaintance. Perhaps, I might even give her a gift for service above and beyond the call of duty LOL.

I wish I could think of a snappy salutation, but my mind is preoccupied thinking about the gangbang girl LOL.

[QUOTE=MoonshineXXX;3422605]Selah - "in the Bible, occurring frequently at the end of a verse in Psalms. " Hence the poster adding it to the end of his post. Kinda strange, but, whatever.

People often mask their self imposed guilt for their perceived moral failures by publicly proclaiming moral superiority. I guess we are all guilty of this weakness to some extent. And, perhaps, it serves some higher societal purpose by balancing things out. Who knows.

Personally, I have very much liked some of the professional ladies I have enjoyed screwing. I also have a favorite waitress at my favorite restaurant. Our personalities click. We have a connection. I may choose to leave a big tip because I'm feeling generous. Or I may want to reward exceptional service. Or I may learn through conversation that they have a need and I want to help out. The act of good will is between me and the service provider. If I delude myself into believing it's a penance, I'm just a fool. Many people delude themselves in all sorts of ways. If I pay her to "like" me, I'm setting myself up for disappointment. If I look down my nose as a superior human being and toss some change at the lady or "help" her, that's a very poor reflection on me. Personally, I just look forward to the next opportunity to patronize the lady.

I don't P2 P with anyone who hasn't invited me to do so and I don't P2 P with anyone (more than once) who doesn't enthusiastically enjoy her work. Sounds like the gangbang lady was fantastic! I would love to make her acquaintance. Perhaps, I might even give her a gift for service above and beyond the call of duty LOL.

I wish I could think of a snappy salutation, but my mind is preoccupied thinking about the gangbang girl LOL.[/QUOTE]Great post. I despise hypocrisy.

[URL]http://atlanta.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/mature-lightskin-woman-hot-thick-super-sexy/61867078[/URL]

I'm getting tired of the fake shit. Rant over.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3422189]I swore I was done with this idiotic theme, but since I'm mentioned.

Somehow, the idea that someone charging $60 for a quick visit "has it good" doesn't quite register with me. Sounds like a tough way to build a 401 k, pay for health insurance, and afford a mortgage or even rent.

And, as far as the jobs thing, been there done that. I've helped more than 10 ladies find jobs since 2000. Never been a hint of quid pro quo. Some work (or did) in government offices, at least 2 are certified teachers, one went to work in an insurance office, and one (the only one I still communicate with) is a very well paid writer / communications person.

All were on hard times, in almost every case relating to a dead beat spouse.

Now, given that info, I'm again done with this thread and the misogynistic trolls who spend far too much time trashing others.

And, by the way, calling anyone a "retard" is a great way to destroy your own credibility.

Selah.[/QUOTE]Kind of like bitching and griping about someone's lack of helping an escort dig her way out of a situation that may be entirely of her own making. And bragging about your own efforts makes you look worse.

[QUOTE=HeadHunting;3425814][URL]http://atlanta.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/mature-lightskin-woman-hot-thick-super-sexy/61867078[/URL]

I'm getting tired of the fake shit. Rant over.[/QUOTE]I think at MarioRincon67 would beg to differ.

[QUOTE=Jeffinnatlanta;3426591]I think at MarioRincon67 would beg to differ.[/QUOTE]Well, when I do an image search this is the chick that comes up. I would guess photoshop because her other pics look way worse than the one in the backpage ad.

Either way, this chick has no shortage of pics and she could have given a better representation of what she looks like TODAY.

[URL]https://twitter.com/Bambi4u269/status/870278796297023488/photo/1[/URL]