[QUOTE=BradAM;2465286]Isn't GCS just another form of 'game?' By the way, she doesn't look like a "heavy smoker!
BAM.[/QUOTE]I never got past her pictures. LOL.
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[QUOTE=BradAM;2465286]Isn't GCS just another form of 'game?' By the way, she doesn't look like a "heavy smoker!
BAM.[/QUOTE]I never got past her pictures. LOL.
[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2465145]I spent 12 hours with her. I'd say at $500 for an all access hottie is well worth it compared to $300 for an hour with a pro.
I have found plenty who will go $300 for a 2-3 hour session. I like the math of $200 more to wake up in the middle of the night and first thing in the AM with a boner to be fully serviced.[/QUOTE]Worth is in the eye of the beholder Archer. In Central Va $500 will buy anything you want for as long as you want it. My overnights cost me the same as a 1 hour stop and pop. An SB I contract with are required to be on board for whatever we both are available for. My usual meaningful rate is $250 . If I know I am not available for a hang out or all nighter I offer $150 to 200 . I'm not having a lot of success with my escort model right now, which is what I need at the moment. If I can take them out for a date I do not have any problem lining them up.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2465857]Worth is in the eye of the beholder Archer. In Central Va $500 will buy anything you want for as long as you want it. My overnights cost me the same as a 1 hour stop and pop. An SB I contract with are required to be on board for whatever we both are available for. My usual meaningful rate is $250 . If I know I am not available for a hang out or all nighter I offer $150 to 200 . I'm not having a lot of success with my escort model right now, which is what I need at the moment. If I can take them out for a date I do not have any problem lining them up.[/QUOTE]By choice I haven't done a sleep over in about 8 months. Due to time restrictions of work and some serious sleep issues I prefer a standard 2 hour date. Go to work, eat dinner, go on a date, go to sleep. If I go off my schedule, I pay for it in other ways. I guess I am getting older. I need regularity. LOL.
Yeah, the site is fixed. Here is a pic of my church girl. Eight dates and counting.
And my ATF (standing). They both want a threesome. So far I am not convinced. A threesome with two girls that are somewhat in competition doesn't sound like a good idea.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2465857]My overnights cost me the same as a 1 hour stop and pop. An SB I contract with are required to be on board for whatever we both are available for. My usual meaningful rate is $250 . If I know I am not available for a hang out or all nighter I offer $150 to 200 . I'm not having a lot of success with my escort model right now, which is what I need at the moment. If I can take them out for a date I do not have any problem lining them up.[/QUOTE]Are you in Richmond? Cville has very different market dynamics -- have yet to find anyone here that is at least a 8/8 that will visit the FC for less than $250, and that is a few hours max. And Its not just me. A few gents in market are finding the same price points.
Yes. Most 8/9/10 in the dc area will start with a $500 - $1,000 price tag. Many will not budge from that number. A majority will probably get that kind of allowance.
It's a numbers game, with an emphasis on the game. I have dated a few sbs in the the / m / v that didn't discuss allowance and repeated dates after a $150/$200 per date allowance. Granted this didn't factor in hotel and other dating costs.
I play in the midatlantic, and you are correct. Rates are higher in dc. They come down as you go out to bmore and Richmond. Places like Newark de are easy on the buffet because they are far from major cities like NYC and Washington dc. Where there are plenty of competing SDs that wouldn't bat an eyelash at dropping $500 on a bar tab.
So yes, unless you're willing to make a huge time committment and drop some serious game, the allowance amounts you reference are accurate. That being said, lower allowances can be negotiated with the right baby.
[QUOTE=ThatMDguy;2464343]If you want to get with a young 8 or 9 in the DC area you are going to come off 700+. They're not going for anything less than that in my experience and someone is probably giving it to them.[/QUOTE]
Yes the risk of le capture is a huge risk of mongering. It's a major downside. Of course I don't use my real name, phone number or any other real information when dealing with the agencies I use, and because of the precautions and procedures that the agencies have in place, risk of le capture is low to nonexistent.
On the other hand, I have never wondered if a pro was going to follow me home to see whether I was really single or not (frankly no pro I know of would care) and never had to worry about if a pro might try to get pregnant so they could use me as a mealticket for the rest of their lives via child support payments. As previous threads on the board have discussed, these are lifechanging events.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not disagreeing with you, or even advoacting for one aspect of the hobby vs another. I'm just pointing out different aspects that make each one different. They both come with downsides and upsides. It's just a matter if taste, preference, and individual circumstance at any given time.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2464633]
SmellyFish:
I generally agree with the position that SBs ate sweeter and more fun. A few months ago I also thought I was done with mongering. This is no longer the case. Don't get me wrong, but the bowl does have its downsides.
Mongering has a risk of LE capture --the ultimate life ruiner. I agree that a couple of HOs are easy but there is always the spectre that the girl is compromised and is a sting set up to save her ass.
Stale sex: always comes after a set period of time. If you love your partner in every other way and have not been exposed to the Bowl you can forgo strange sex. Once you have experienced strange there is no going back.[/QUOTE]
Dog rice. We are on the same page.
I liken the bowl with hunting in a stocked preserve. Not like hunting for game in the wild (which I consider civvy / irl dating / bar pickups), since you know you will catch something if you pay enough money and spend enough time in the preserve. Still though, the thrill of the hunt is a major part of the fun, and eating something that is fresh tastes so much better.
Of course, the time, energy, and effort that go into setting up for the trip, and then actually hunting, can be exhausting (when its not exhilerating and fun). There are days when you want a big mac. You know the meat is filled with chemicals and preservatives. In fact, you may be eating pink slime. Repackaged as a burger. It's easy though, and as long as you don't think too much about what you're actually eating, it can taste pretty good from time to time.
Each has its upsides and downsides. Pros come with a certain standard quality that doesn't always exist with a new baby. A baby may not have a clue what she's doing in the FC, while a pro needs to be good to pay her rent. Of course there is nothing that can compare to a young fresh new baby, expecially when you really start thinking about how many guys the experienced pro has seen in the past day, week, month.
[QUOTE=DogRice;2464432]IluvSmellyFish,
Your situation is right on w / mine. SBs are great fun if you score good ones, but M&G, chatting, arranging for FC (I. E. , hotel), and hotel cost are all a bit too much hazard for me comparing to typical mongering experience.
The bowl is still tempting though.[/QUOTE]
In my Mongering days had a favorite I saw every time she came through town -a lovely 35 yr old spinner who was really not a hardened pro yet but fell on hard times. On my way into her room she physically turned me around and told me to beat it since LE was on the way to set up in her room. Saw them coming up the stairs as I was going down. Scary!
YMMV but one of my Fav SBs was a 22 yr old in Georgetown. Daddy rented her a solo apartment and I slept over after a nice dinner out for $250. She hadn't gotten the GPS yet. She moved to NJ unfortunately. It can be done. Some girls have their heads up their asses and are only about price. These SBs verge towards the Pro side of the equation.
In my humble opinion, she just looks heavy.
Yes, she should be the one paying. No offense to guys who like their girls big and busty. I myself have always restricted my searches to slim, athletic, or average.
[QUOTE=BradAM;2465286]Isn't GCS just another form of 'game?' By the way, she doesn't look like a "heavy smoker!
BAM.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2466018] They come down as you go out to bmore and Richmond. Places like Newark de are easy on the buffet because they are far from major cities like NYC and Washington dc. [/QUOTE]Charlottesville seems to be a bad congruence of leading SB factors. Not enough SB candidates to have many price tiers, not a huge population of recent grads drowning in student debt, and a (relatively) small student population of above average financial backgrounds.
Richmond is just an hour away, but it is another planet in SB world.
Hello fellow bowlers.
Well it's been a while since my last post. I've been in the bowl for about 2 yrs now and have been able to meet many young ladies and have had a blast with every single one of them. Now I am in need of a little advice from the seniors and those that have been in the bowl for a while.
I still stay in touch with my atf sorority girl and have hard a great sb / sd relationship with her with absolutely no complaints. I see her every two weeks and she always manages to keep things fresh and fun.
My problem is with a girl that I've seen for about 9 months. As many of you are aware we have now past our honeymoon phase and things have gotten way way more complicated than I thought. About two months ago she claimed she had feelings for me and she was ready to be exclusive. The problem is that I am married and obviously doesn't understand the concept of a side chick. She would get mad and get the point where she would almost cry when I left because as she put it "it was hard to watch me leave knowing I would be going back her" I tried to give her space so she could think of what she really wanted and that pissed her off too! Well come to find out she had a boyfriend the whole time she had been seeing me! Which was a complete surprise to me. Obviously it's not my problem and honestly I don't really mind if she did or not.
Lately she's been throwing his name in our conversations and telling me about him and what he does. Again I couldn't care less so I made that really clear to her. Since she claimed to have feeling for me and me given her space she hasn't been willing to give up the sugar because according to her it's now so much harder because of the feelings she has and it would only trigger more feelings! She's a total hottie and has a body of a porn star!! I have been willing to keep my end of our arrangement but she has been unwilling to keep her end!! I'm getting to the point where I feel it has become a one sided relationship where I'm dishing all the cash in return for nothing.
This is the last text I got from her after I refused to help her with $600 she needed:
"after last night. You clearly don't really care. It's just all about the money to you. When you told me you wanted to help me with it. I didn't think about money. I thought about the feelin of someone havin my back and encouraging me to do something new. Something I might really enjoy. But I guess I took it wrong. Cause you make it out to be so difficult. And it's all about "money".
What do you guys think?
[QUOTE=Bachatas13;2466304]Hello fellow bowlers.
"after last night. You clearly don't really care. It's just all about the money to you. When you told me you wanted to help me with it. I didn't think about money. I thought about the feelin of someone havin my back and encouraging me to do something new. Something I might really enjoy. But I guess I took it wrong. Cause you make it out to be so difficult. And it's all about "money".
What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]I would be inclined to turn it around on her. Tell her that, for you it is all about the sex and it appears that for HER it is all about the money. Tell her you aren't interested in a one-sided relationship where she gets what she wants and you get nothing. Of course, it may also be about the right time to move on and find someone new. In which case, go silent; go deep.
BAM.
[QUOTE=Bachatas13;2466304]"after last night. You clearly don't really care. It's just all about the money to you. When you told me you wanted to help me with it. I didn't think about money. I thought about the feelin of someone havin my back and encouraging me to do something new. Something I might really enjoy. But I guess I took it wrong. Cause you make it out to be so difficult. And it's all about "money".
What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Ditch her. Till she crawls back. And if she doesn't. On to the next. I don't like mind games. Its pay to play and you paid. I have overpaid here and there and in the long run its a bad policy unless all the cards are on the table.
[QUOTE=Bachatas13;2466304]Hello fellow bowlers.
Well it's been a while since my last post. I've been in the bowl for about 2 yrs now and have been able to meet many young ladies and have had a blast with every single one of them. Now I am in need of a little advice from the seniors and those that have been in the bowl for a while.
I still stay in touch with my atf sorority girl and have hard a great sb / sd relationship with her with absolutely no complaints. I see her every two weeks and she always manages to keep things fresh and fun.
My problem is with a girl that I've seen for about 9 months. As many of you are aware we have now past our honeymoon phase and things have gotten way way more complicated than I thought. About two months ago she claimed she had feelings for me and she was ready to be exclusive. The problem is that I am married and obviously doesn't understand the concept of a side chick. She would get mad and get the point where she would almost cry when I left because as she put it "it was hard to watch me leave knowing I would be going back her" I tried to give her space so she could think of what she really wanted and that pissed her off too! Well come to find out she had a boyfriend the whole time she had been seeing me! Which was a complete surprise to me. Obviously it's not my problem and honestly I don't really mind if she did or not.
Lately she's been throwing his name in our conversations and telling me about him and what he does. Again I couldn't care less so I made that really clear to her. Since she claimed to have feeling for me and me given her space she hasn't been willing to give up the sugar because according to her it's now so much harder because of the feelings she has and it would only trigger more feelings! She's a total hottie and has a body of a porn star!! I have been willing to keep my end of our arrangement but she has been unwilling to keep her end!! I'm getting to the point where I feel it has become a one sided relationship where I'm dishing all the cash in return for nothing.
This is the last text I got from her after I refused to help her with $600 she needed:
"after last night. You clearly don't really care. It's just all about the money to you. When you told me you wanted to help me with it. I didn't think about money. I thought about the feelin of someone havin my back and encouraging me to do something new. Something I might really enjoy. But I guess I took it wrong. Cause you make it out to be so difficult. And it's all about "money".
What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]As the great Bill Parcells once said, "at the end of the day, you are what you are. " In reference to your record. Make all the excuses, all the drama, all the could have been, should have been, would have been, but your record speaks the truth and is all that matters. She can send you sweet nothings about having feelings, wanting you and feeling sad when you walk away, but trust me, look at the picture from the outside in. She gets to be a girl and you take care of everything else. You support her, give her money and help her. These feelings she expresses, with the same breath of air about money, should tell you EVERYTHING. Keep it real and if she can't. Move along and do it quickly before it gets messy. Been there, done that and never again!
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2464813]Happily Married. Only play when the cats away.
I watch the "king of queens" just to remind myself. I only want to fuck pussy not be one.[/QUOTE]I see that a lot these days, but it's all because how the system is rigged to give all the power to the female in a marriage. The man has no choice. If he wants out then he loses many assets, and gets set back financially for long time in some situations.