"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2458560]There is no reason you cannot get rock hard wood into your 80's.[/QUOTE]From your mouth to God's ears.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2458560]There is no reason you cannot get rock hard wood into your 80's.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2458661]From your mouth to God's ears.[/QUOTE]It's true. More than half of all men over 75 can maintain a boner. The key is exercise. I wrote some pretty extensive tips on exercise solutions in this thread some time back. I'm way past the age where I should be complaining or worrying about ED, and while my performance isn't as perfect as I'd like it to be (I sometimes get tired, demotivated after the first or second round, etc.), its ultimately about the same as when I was 19.

I have considered ED meds, but not for every day life, more as a novelty during my rare SB-holidays. Last year I had a situation where some little GPS girl left me kind of blueballed, so I went to an AMP the next morning to relieve some tension. I had a M&G later than night, and I didn't know she was going to be a 10 with incredible sexual chemistry. She stayed in my bed all night, but I was only good for two rounds thanks to the little Asian girl at the rub-n-tug doing a good job on me earlier in the day. Its for this sort of unexpected occasion I have considered having some meds on hand.

Got a text from a POT a few days after a m & g that went just ok. It went something like "I guess your not interested in a good girl?

So I said "You have not made it clear that you are ready for some sugar. You seemed hesitant. " {added some small talk after that about her new job, etc}.

She texted "You could have just told me you just wanted a prostitute because that's how I feel you are treating me and you haven't even sent me a message or given me a call".

So I replied "Your text was disturbing and insulting. I have been nothing but straight with you. My messages to you leading up to our meet and greet were more than clear.

We are not dating. If you don't want a SD / SB relationship I understand.

Good luck with your search".

Her final reply was "I do want a sb / sd relationship but its seems like you only will give me money if I have sex with you!! That is not a sugar baby that is a prostitute!

My question is: 1. Did I handle it right? And 2. Do I just move on because I shouldn't have to deal with her shit?

I think I just answered my own question.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2458779]Got a text from a POT a few days after a m & g that went just ok. It went something like "I guess your not interested in a good girl?

So I said "You have not made it clear that you are ready for some sugar. You seemed hesitant. " {added some small talk after that about her new job, etc}.

She texted "You could have just told me you just wanted a prostitute because that's how I feel you are treating me and you haven't even sent me a message or given me a call".

So I replied "Your text was disturbing and insulting. I have been nothing but straight with you. My messages to you leading up to our meet and greet were more than clear.

We are not dating. If you don't want a SD / SB relationship I understand.

Good luck with your search".

Her final reply was "I do want a sb / sd relationship but its seems like you only will give me money if I have sex with you!! That is not a sugar baby that is a prostitute!

My question is: 1. Did I handle it right? And 2. Do I just move on because I shouldn't have to deal with her shit?

I think I just answered my own question.[/QUOTE]In my experience and granted it's not extensive as you guys. I chat the SB up with every initial message being unique. I don't use the step list. In most cases, I get a response back. I give sugar depending on the situation. I typically don't on the M&G unless her travel to meet was a trek. After the first FC I tend to give just a little bit of sugar, but no set amounts.

The only SB I regularly give sugar to is my "MAIN" SB. Over the past few months we have an emotional attachment to each other. If she needs something I provide. It doesn't always lead to the FC, but when we eventually get there it's mind-blowing sex. She's the only SB that keeps me rock hard for hours and multiple sessions in the same night.

I have another SB that really likes me, no request for sugar. She's even bought me a couple of gifts, like cologne and workout gear. The sex is good, she an absolute freak in bed. I'm also alternating with another SB that's all about the cash. I treat her respectfully and never mention the cash. We normally meet during the day or evening for food and drinks. I hand her between. 60 to $ casually and if it leads to FC its cool, if not I'm fine because I have some free options.

In all cases I just treat the SB's like a friend. In turn they don't treat me like an ATM and I don't look at them as purely a sex object. I tend to stay clear of the girls that want to establish an amount initially. So far, my technique has been working well. I logged into SA recently, after being away for months. I'm considering signing up again cause there's so much new POT out there. It's really amazing!

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2458779]Got a text from a POT a few days after a m & g that went just ok. It went something like "I guess your not interested in a good girl?

So I said "You have not made it clear that you are ready for some sugar. You seemed hesitant. " {added some small talk after that about her new job, etc}.

She texted "You could have just told me you just wanted a prostitute because that's how I feel you are treating me and you haven't even sent me a message or given me a call".

So I replied "Your text was disturbing and insulting. I have been nothing but straight with you. My messages to you leading up to our meet and greet were more than clear.

We are not dating. If you don't want a SD / SB relationship I understand.

Good luck with your search".

Her final reply was "I do want a sb / sd relationship but its seems like you only will give me money if I have sex with you!! That is not a sugar baby that is a prostitute!

My question is: 1. Did I handle it right? And 2. Do I just move on because I shouldn't have to deal with her shit?

I think I just answered my own question.[/QUOTE]Really sounds like She is only going to give you headaches, not head.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2458779]Got a text from a POT a few days after a m & g that went just ok. It went something like "I guess your not interested in a good girl?
So I said "You have not made it clear that you are ready for some sugar. You seemed hesitant. " {added some small talk after that about her new job, etc}.
She texted "You could have just told me you just wanted a prostitute because that's how I feel you are treating me and you haven't even sent me a message or given me a call".
So I replied "Your text was disturbing and insulting. I have been nothing but straight with you. My messages to you leading up to our meet and greet were more than clear.
We are not dating. If you don't want a SD / SB relationship I understand.
Good luck with your search".
Her final reply was "I do want a sb / sd relationship but its seems like you only will give me money if I have sex with you!! That is not a sugar baby that is a prostitute!
My question is: 1. Did I handle it right? And 2. Do I just move on because I shouldn't have to deal with her shit?
I think I just answered my own question.[/QUOTE]Hard to say, everyone has their own approach and expectations. Some of these girls (the better ones I would say) need a very clear distinction in their mind between being a SB and a pro. My approach makes that easy for them because I never make offers, I take them out on a date and bang them then gift them, end of story. It works great for girls like this who can't stand the thought of putting a price-per-fuck on themselves. Some of them just won't go there, and personally I think that's good because it does separate them from escorts. However, if you're married and need to sneak off for an afternoon quickie, this kind of girl may not be for you, because she's looking at the whole thing as more of a boyfriend / girlfriend situation. She might be one of those that's hard to get rid of if you need to, sounds like she dug you at the M&G (that can be a good and bad thing). So depending on your circumstances I'd probably say just move on to the next, there's always another.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2458779]Got a text from a POT a few days after a m & g that went just ok. It went something like "I guess your not interested in a good girl?

Her final reply was "I do want a sb / sd relationship but its seems like you only will give me money if I have sex with you!! That is not a sugar baby that is a prostitute!

My question is: 1. Did I handle it right? And 2. Do I just move on because I shouldn't have to deal with her shit?

I think I just answered my own question.[/QUOTE]Most girls do not want to think of themselves as a Prostitute, even though they are indeed selling themselves. The freebies are rare and only work for age appropriate men with girls who are looking for a BF. You will be the most successful if you can court them as naturally as possible while soft pedaling the money part. Make no mistake though, the Money is 99% of the equation.

No sex expectation is rare -as in Hoya'a post. He is paying lower amounts than most though and can afford to blow off $60 in good will- and maybe he really enjoys his girl's company outside the FC. If you are paying $ hundreds per visit there often is an expectation of performance, just as the girls expect their allowance. I set a rule early on in my Sugar career -no romance -no finance. A long term SB I loved several years ago was on her period and begged off of any physical activity. I was driving 2 hrs to see her and did not discover that "policy" until I got there. We had no opportunity to reschedule. I was pissed that she did not tell me. We still went out to dinner and had a lovely time but when we got home I made my rule clear. She wanted her allowance so she put a towel on the bed and proceeded to scream her way through 3 O's. I like secretions all over the place after good sex anyway.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2459624] A long term SB I loved several years ago was on her period and begged off of any physical activity. I was driving 2 hrs to see her and did not discover that "policy" until I got there. We had no opportunity to reschedule. I was pissed that she did not tell me. [/QUOTE]I have my first real SB date lined up for tomorrow. Been working on it for about a month since it is an overnight work trip for me to PHL.

The SB and I made it clear early on that if there is attraction, a few hours of fun -- and even the possibility of an overnight was in the cards. I made certain to make sure we had the chemistry before even meetings, but I have worried about catching her at the wrong time.

Even though this is a business trip that I can't change -- she does not know that. I asked if the 7th worked for her, or "if maybe another day later in the month" was more suitable for what we had in mind. I would hate to have lined all this up and put my eggs in this one basket only to have Flo show up a few days before. Message was received loud and clear and she advised me accordingly.

With non-pros, they may not always be thinking about hitting the sack after a date, so this may not be registering on their radar, but its crucial information. You also don't just want to blurt out "when's your period" since that makes it clear you expect to bang her. They may be selling themselves for $$, but they need to maintain the illusion that they aren't so treat them accordingly and you will be rewarded.

Greetings, veterans of the sugar bowl. Been hobbying here in SW Ohio for the last few years, and now looking to try out the sugar world. I'm currently in the middle of reading through this incredibly informative thread, and have already learned a ton. I do have a couple questions that I'll go ahead and ask now.

With hobbying, contact and location are pretty simple. Get in touch, schedule appointment, get directions, show up, have fun, go home. Obviously things are more complicated beyond that, and so I'm looking for some advice in those areas:

1) What are the typical methods of approach you guys use? Something like "Hi, I liked your profile, want to meet?" Any particular tips for making contact, assessing possibilities, and setting up that first meeting?

2) Once you're actually ready to meet BCD, do you usually go to her place, your place, or get a hotel room? I'm single, so that obviously simplifies things for me quite a bit, but I've also seen a lot of advice in this thread to stay as anonymous as possible, and seems like having someone back over to my place could be an issue.

I'll keep going through the rest of this thread to see what else I can learn, but any tips or advice on this would be appreciated. Thanks!

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2458779]Her final reply was "I do want a sb / sd relationship but its seems like you only will give me money if I have sex with you!! That is not a sugar baby that is a prostitute![/QUOTE]I always tell a girl when necessary that I dont pay to just "hang out". That would be some desperate guy, not me. And at some point (and it could be after the first real date) that I am looking for "bomb sex". That usually gets a laugh out of them. But if thats not what they are looking for then we are probably not a good fit. Look for horny girls and girls with good skills. LOL. They're out there. If you want it all, like the 9 and 10 girls, then expect to have to work (pay) for it. And make investments here and there to get it. But you know how many girls are tired of bad sex? A lot. And they will admit that freely. Some girls will drop their expectations and attitude if convinced you can deliver on the confidence you espouse.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;2458349]I've been fine just using SA and moving it over to email. Yahoo so it is in a separate app and I log out religiously. And snapchat for convos with a couple of my regular friends. (Which is lovely because they send me pics all the time.).

I had a burner but it just ran out. Pretty sure I am done with mongering for good. SBs are so much sweeter and more fun.[/QUOTE]I generally agree with the position that SBs ate sweeter and more fun. A few months ago I also thought I was done with mongering. This is no longer the case. Don't get me wrong, but the bowl does have its downsides. The downsides I am about to point out mainly relate to my specific situation though (e. G. I have an SO I have no intention of leaving, my location, my disposable income, etc.) so please take them with a grain of salt.

I've found recently that hotel prices in my region are two to three times what they were in the winter. Makes sense, but when you consider that into the budget, it makes trips to the FC very expensive. This of course is not an issue with those SDs who can host or who have SBs who ate willing to host. Unfortunately I cannot, and have yet to have a SB who can.

I have also found that I get bored of my SBs quickly. My current rotation is boring me only after a few months. I have my SO who fills my mental and emotional needs. Having SBs are great for their youth, the thrill of the "chase" and the newness of a new girl begging you to take their anal virginity, but like all relationships things get stale after a while. Some of these girls are sweet, but listening to some of them drivel on about their dreams of becoming an actress or a model, or whine about how some photographer didn't capture their picture which is why they didn't get a certain job can be exhausting.

While the contrast to mongering is obvious and the downsides of that world as compared to the bowl have already been well documented (e. G. SBs don't generally see 4 or 5 guys a day, etc.) I have recently realized that I will probably not fully exit that world either.

The quality of agencies in my region are outstanding. The large number of options also makes things very easy on my budget. Moreover, the work involved involves making a call or sending a text. No endless meet and greets, and games.

Don't get me wrong, I doubt I will ever leave the bowl either. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are upsides and downsides to both worlds. I suspect that when I have more time, when hotel costs drop back down, and when I end things with my current rotation (which will happen shortly since I'm growing bored of my existing lineup), I will re-up my SA account and back to setting up m&gs.

In the meantime, best of luck to all the players in the bowl!

Would love to start participating here as I have been on SA for about 6 months. Boston based and I hope my postings garner me a little leeway as I will start off by asking a question without offering info.

Can someone give me the cliff notes on the acronyms you guys are using (POT, bowl, FC, etc).

Thanks in advance!

Looking to upgrade to the Sugar Babe World. Anyone can pm some pointers. Where to look, how to approach?

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Last night meet up with my backup SB. She's starting to become a forerunner. Last night we're bar hopping both drunk. I use the hotel app and Uber to get to the hotel. I bought a 3 pack of condoms and ran out in the middle of the night. She tells me she's on "depro" or some 5 yr BC and begs me to cum inside. Like really begging me and all the daddy talk. It was insane. I don't go raw, she gives me oral and I pass out.

It's tempting. When I met up with her she had just finished having dinner with her mother. She wanted to introduce me. Also, she told me she loved me and wants to be my GF.

Question? Are any of you guys banging your SB's raw dog? I grew up in the 90's and Magic Johnson. I wear a condom all the time and super paranoid about unprotected sex.