I just had an add pop up for this place in Shelby township. Looks like it's new. Anyone try it yet?
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I just had an add pop up for this place in Shelby township. Looks like it's new. Anyone try it yet?
[QUOTE=SandersNut;5745595]I just had an add pop up for this place in Shelby township. Looks like it's new. Anyone try it yet?[/QUOTE]My four regular places constantly change names, at least on the internet. Generally the name on the door does NOT change. I suspect common or extended family ownership.
I recommend giving it a try. I tried Alice Spa for the first time. We both stayed masked. Diane gave a very good to great massage. $80 plus tip.
[QUOTE=SingDong99;5743174]Can I ask where you went " down the road" that offers an ending? There aren't many places in this neck of the woods.[/QUOTE]I went to the one near the high school. Lisa is the owner and generally the only one there. I've seen her for years, before she opened that location. She tells me she only does HE for me and a few other special clients but I don't buy that. She's nothing special to look at but the finish is good. She used to allow DATY and get nude but she quit when covid hit and said she won't do it anymore.
[QUOTE=Michiganman87;5745242]Where is pro body? You can DM me if you want or is it the place in Taylor?[/QUOTE]Yes. Taylor.
[QUOTE=Riker36;5745306]I've been saying the same thing for years. There's a reason her rates are so low. I gave her a go about 3 years ago, and never again. It's the only time in all my years in this hobby that I was unable to get off. In my opinion, the only way you'll like her is if you have absolutely no standards at all.[/QUOTE]To each their own.
I rather see her than some junkie or some chick with fake boobs.
I don't report much on here but I read a lot of the conversations and figured I'd add my two cents on something.
I've read many reports and comments about how this service provider or that service provider doesn't do this or doesn't do that and, the replies calling individuals liars for their reports of their experiences. I can say that from my experience the phrase YMMV can't be more true in this hobby. I've received HE's from providers that from all reports are normally legit providers. I've received oral from providers that are normally just standard HE providers. I have two providers that now offer FS, after seeing one service provider for many years and only receiving a standard HE we have now reached a point where FS is available without request or negotiation. The other provider I have seen for years has been completely legit but I saw on a weekly basis because she gives that best deep tissue massage I've ever had and over the last year or so has completely opened up all services but, with no request for compensation. It's more of a sexual relationship rather than a business transaction with the second one.
I haven't cracked the code of how to get them all to open up their menus and wish that I have. It's not like I'm some young stud, by all accounts just I'm an average guy, of average looks, with an average body, and an average size tool, so it has nothing to do with any of that. The only thing that I can hypothesize is that I have put time and effort into building a rapport with them and they are comfortable with me and therefore the offerings with some of these providers have opened up for me.
[QUOTE=Jd2011;5745004]Sorry guys, feel like I must chime in here. As you know, opinions are like assholes, so here's mine. If you have any kind of standards, you will be contemplating suicide after the visit. Pretty much everything everyone has said it true. Non existent massage, talks a lot, etc. However nobody mentioned the random farts. A real mood killer in my opinion. BBBJ is very mediocre in my opinion. I did get a hand on her cooter during the BJ. Afterward it smelled like I had marinated it in 2 week old piss. Glad I didn't get FS. The only good thing is the price.[/QUOTE]JD. Your asshole had me on the floor. ,I had much the same experience although mine was my hand was near her arm pit while holding her tit and after leaving I could smell this smell I couldn't place til I smelled my hand and was strong underarm smell. I think her brain issue may affect her ability to keep up on her hygiene.
I never got fully hard with her so I never fully enjoyed. She's cheap that's the rub.
Swung by M! Sketchy area at best, I used to go there back in the day. I rang bell and waited in lobby for a good while. Then the door opens up and I am greeted greeted by a smiling face with big bolt ons. She says, they have been slow and I was second customer, this is around 3. Then she says, full treatment 220. I am like, it was 140, this was tip and everything. She reply new owner 220. I say how about not full treatment and she says not worth time. I spun around and walked out the door.
I get inflation but that was a little sticker shock.
[QUOTE=FloppyMcStiffy;5745833]I went to the one near the high school. Lisa is the owner and generally the only one there. I've seen her for years, before she opened that location. She tells me she only does HE for me and a few other special clients but I don't buy that. She's nothing special to look at but the finish is good. She used to allow DATY and get nude but she quit when covid hit and said she won't do it anymore.[/QUOTE]I've gotten a HE there, haven't been since just before covid. She was not very happy to be doing it, I can say that for sure. I didn't get a good vibe from the place so I haven't been back.
[QUOTE=DTownMick;5746271]I don't report much on here but I read a lot of the conversations and figured I'd add my two cents on something.
I've read many reports and comments about how this service provider or that service provider doesn't do this or doesn't do that and, the replies calling individuals liars for their reports of their experiences. I can say that from my experience the phrase YMMV can't be more true in this hobby. I've received HE's from providers that from all reports are normally legit providers. I've received oral from providers that are normally just standard HE providers. I have two providers that now offer FS, after seeing one service provider for many years and only receiving a standard HE we have now reached a point where FS is available without request or negotiation. The other provider I have seen for years has been completely legit but I saw on a weekly basis because she gives that best deep tissue massage I've ever had and over the last year or so has completely opened up all services but, with no request for compensation. It's more of a sexual relationship rather than a business transaction with the second one.
I haven't cracked the code of how to get them all to open up their menus and wish that I have. It's not like I'm some young stud, by all accounts just I'm an average guy, of average looks, with an average body, and an average size tool, so it has nothing to do with any of that. The only thing that I can hypothesize is that I have put time and effort into building a rapport with them and they are comfortable with me and therefore the offerings with some of these providers have opened up for me.[/QUOTE]Truer words were never spoken. Thanks Mick! I've had exactly the same experiences.
[QUOTE=DTownMick;5746271] The only thing that I can hypothesize is that I have put time and effort into building a rapport with them and they are comfortable with me and therefore the offerings with some of these providers have opened up for me.[/QUOTE]If that's not the code, that's a very good means of how to open doors. Put time and effort into someone, make connections /"warm up" to each other, and doors open.
But, as you said, YMMV and I absolutely agree with your entire point.
[QUOTE=DTownMick;5746271]I don't report much on here but I read a lot of the conversations and figured I'd add my two cents on something.
I've read many reports and comments about how this service provider or that service provider doesn't do this or doesn't do that and, the replies calling individuals liars for their reports of their experiences. I can say that from my experience the phrase YMMV can't be more true in this hobby. I've received HE's from providers that from all reports are normally legit providers. I've received oral from providers that are normally just standard HE providers. I have two providers that now offer FS, after seeing one service provider for many years and only receiving a standard HE we have now reached a point where FS is available without request or negotiation. The other provider I have seen for years has been completely legit but I saw on a weekly basis because she gives that best deep tissue massage I've ever had and over the last year or so has completely opened up all services but, with no request for compensation. It's more of a sexual relationship rather than a business transaction with the second one.
I haven't cracked the code of how to get them all to open up their menus and wish that I have. It's not like I'm some young stud, by all accounts just I'm an average guy, of average looks, with an average body, and an average size tool, so it has nothing to do with any of that. The only thing that I can hypothesize is that I have put time and effort into building a rapport with them and they are comfortable with me and therefore the offerings with some of these providers have opened up for me.[/QUOTE]Aye captain. , could not agree more. !!
[QUOTE=DTownMick;5746271]I don't report much on here but I read a lot of the conversations and figured I'd add my two cents on something.
I've read many reports and comments about how this service provider or that service provider doesn't do this or doesn't do that and, the replies calling individuals liars for their reports of their experiences. I can say that from my experience the phrase YMMV can't be more true in this hobby. I've received HE's from providers that from all reports are normally legit providers. I've received oral from providers that are normally just standard HE providers. I have two providers that now offer FS, after seeing one service provider for many years and only receiving a standard HE we have now reached a point where FS is available without request or negotiation. The other provider I have seen for years has been completely legit but I saw on a weekly basis because she gives that best deep tissue massage I've ever had and over the last year or so has completely opened up all services but, with no request for compensation. It's more of a sexual relationship rather than a business transaction with the second one.
I haven't cracked the code of how to get them all to open up their menus and wish that I have. It's not like I'm some young stud, by all accounts just I'm an average guy, of average looks, with an average body, and an average size tool, so it has nothing to do with any of that. The only thing that I can hypothesize is that I have put time and effort into building a rapport with them and they are comfortable with me and therefore the offerings with some of these providers have opened up for me.[/QUOTE]And often PUBLIC Kiss & Tell spells disaster and ends the relationship.
Anyone have any intel on this one? Greatly appreciated, thanks in advance.
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[QUOTE=Jp1225;5746380]JD. Your asshole had me on the floor. ,I had much the same experience although mine was my hand was near her arm pit while holding her tit and after leaving I could smell this smell I couldn't place til I smelled my hand and was strong underarm smell. I think her brain issue may affect her ability to keep up on her hygiene.
I never got fully hard with her so I never fully enjoyed. She's cheap that's the rub.[/QUOTE]Hygiene odor is the worst. I almost quit the hobby the one time I experienced it. No matter how hard you scrub or try running from it, it just won't go away. In fact, I wish I wasn't reminded of it because I can almost sense it as I'm writing this. To be clear, it's not about the provider mentioned. I have never seen her.
[QUOTE=DTownMick;5746271]I don't report much on here but I read a lot of the conversations and figured I'd add my two cents on something.
I've read many reports and comments about how this service provider or that service provider doesn't do this or doesn't do that and, the replies calling individuals liars for their reports of their experiences. I can say that from my experience the phrase YMMV can't be more true in this hobby. I've received HE's from providers that from all reports are normally legit providers. I've received oral from providers that are normally just standard HE providers. I have two providers that now offer FS, after seeing one service provider for many years and only receiving a standard HE we have now reached a point where FS is available without request or negotiation. The other provider I have seen for years has been completely legit but I saw on a weekly basis because she gives that best deep tissue massage I've ever had and over the last year or so has completely opened up all services but, with no request for compensation. It's more of a sexual relationship rather than a business transaction with the second one..[/QUOTE]Hear, hear! While most of us seem to enjoy the thrill of the chase (will it or won't it happen) vs. The sure thing, it often takes many visits to build up the trust / comfort level. We can often dismiss a provider on the performance of one visit. If there was something about them that intrigued you I always give a second or third try. Taking my own advice I'm going to try another visit with a provider mentioned here before who by all counts has been totally legit. But other intel suggests she used to work somewhere that was not legit, so somewhere in her is a more wild side. Please do not PM asking who. I'll report back with my findings.
[QUOTE=CarmeloJoe35;5745163]Do you recall her name when at the Van Dyke Spa last summer?[/QUOTE]It was Yoo-Mi.
[QUOTE=DTownMick;5746271]I don't report much on here but I read a lot of the conversations and figured I'd add my two cents on something.
I've read many reports and comments about how this service provider or that service provider doesn't do this or doesn't do that and, the replies calling individuals liars for their reports of their experiences. I can say that from my experience the phrase YMMV can't be more true in this hobby. I've received HE's from providers that from all reports are normally legit providers. I've received oral from providers that are normally just standard HE providers. I have two providers that now offer FS, after seeing one service provider for many years and only receiving a standard HE we have now reached a point where FS is available without request or negotiation. The other provider I have seen for years has been completely legit but I saw on a weekly basis because she gives that best deep tissue massage I've ever had and over the last year or so has completely opened up all services but, with no request for compensation. It's more of a sexual relationship rather than a business transaction with the second one.
I haven't cracked the code of how to get them all to open up their menus and wish that I have. It's not like I'm some young stud, by all accounts just I'm an average guy, of average looks, with an average body, and an average size tool, so it has nothing to do with any of that. The only thing that I can hypothesize is that I have put time and effort into building a rapport with them and they are comfortable with me and therefore the offerings with some of these providers have opened up for me.[/QUOTE]I once had a provider who got mad at me for giving descriptive details for our encounter. I was a regular. She told me that not everyone could get what I got because I was special to her. (Have to admit I was a little choked up) She explained she only did the truly filthy shit with people she liked and trusted. I was so bummed when she got married. I kept seeing her after she "retired," but she got married they moved to Arizona. Damn she was filthy and that is hard to come by.
Most here seem to want the thrill of the chase.
I say find your girl and work with her, you get much better service. You write that you are working with two girls, you have a good income. Working with one girl is 200 a week and at the extent of my hobby funds.
Find a girl that gives a good massage first, and be loyal and regular to her and it goes a long way.
Don't be safe, be her regular.
[QUOTE=DTownMick;5746271]I don't report much on here but I read a lot of the conversations and figured I'd add my two cents on something.
I've read many reports and comments about how this service provider or that service provider doesn't do this or doesn't do that and, the replies calling individuals liars for their reports of their experiences. I can say that from my experience the phrase YMMV can't be more true in this hobby. I've received HE's from providers that from all reports are normally legit providers. I've received oral from providers that are normally just standard HE providers. I have two providers that now offer FS, after seeing one service provider for many years and only receiving a standard HE we have now reached a point where FS is available without request or negotiation. The other provider I have seen for years has been completely legit but I saw on a weekly basis because she gives that best deep tissue massage I've ever had and over the last year or so has completely opened up all services but, with no request for compensation. It's more of a sexual relationship rather than a business transaction with the second one.
I haven't cracked the code of how to get them all to open up their menus and wish that I have. It's not like I'm some young stud, by all accounts just I'm an average guy, of average looks, with an average body, and an average size tool, so it has nothing to do with any of that. The only thing that I can hypothesize is that I have put time and effort into building a rapport with them and they are comfortable with me and therefore the offerings with some of these providers have opened up for me.[/QUOTE]
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Twitter can be found with some recent photos (and a topless one of her piercings if you go WAY down).
Pros:
Attractive, she doesn't post face photos due to some info she may choose to share with you if you go, it's not my business (and cannot confirm truth).
Very safe area, on the border of Sterling / Shelby / Rochester Hills-ish. Private Condo / Apt setup.
Nude massage from the getgo with encouraged roaming, just no FIV / insertion.
Chill appointment, got to know you a bit before asking "what do you want" type talk.
Very professional and covering bases of "Can I do X, can I do why, are you comfortable with A", etc.
Easy scheduling but my tip: Call when you arrive, she isn't super quick (with me) on texting back so I waited / assumed I was going to be stood up, call on arrival.[/QUOTE]Was going to give her a try but base rate is now 280 and 90 minute Tantra Massage 400. Inflation I guess. Pass!!
[QUOTE=DTownMick;5746271]I don't report much on here but I read a lot of the conversations and figured I'd add my two cents on something.
I've read many reports and comments about how this service provider or that service provider doesn't do this or doesn't do that and, the replies calling individuals liars for their reports of their experiences. I can say that from my experience the phrase YMMV can't be more true in this hobby. I've received HE's from providers that from all reports are normally legit providers. I've received oral from providers that are normally just standard HE providers. I have two providers that now offer FS, after seeing one service provider for many years and only receiving a standard HE we have now reached a point where FS is available without request or negotiation. The other provider I have seen for years has been completely legit but I saw on a weekly basis because she gives that best deep tissue massage I've ever had and over the last year or so has completely opened up all services but, with no request for compensation. It's more of a sexual relationship rather than a business transaction with the second one.
I haven't cracked the code of how to get them all to open up their menus and wish that I have. It's not like I'm some young stud, by all accounts just I'm an average guy, of average looks, with an average body, and an average size tool, so it has nothing to do with any of that. The only thing that I can hypothesize is that I have put time and effort into building a rapport with them and they are comfortable with me and therefore the offerings with some of these providers have opened up for me.[/QUOTE]Very well said. Keep yourself clean, don't be a jerk and don't be cheap and you never know what can happen. Thanks for the great post.
[QUOTE=Kurse;5747837]I once had a provider who got mad at me for giving descriptive details for our encounter. I was a regular. She told me that not everyone could get what I got because I was special to her. (Have to admit I was a little choked up) She explained she only did the truly filthy shit with people she liked and trusted. I was so bummed when she got married. I kept seeing her after she "retired," but she got married they moved to Arizona. Damn she was filthy and that is hard to come by.[/QUOTE]A number of us have been burned after being helpful to a dumb or rookie monger.
In my 10 years in the hobby, most of them on this forum, I've been reprimanded twice via PM from SP's who lurk on this forum but do not post for sharing details of my visit. This seems much more common with white, or non-AMP providers, it's never happened with anyone from an AMP. So I tend to be a little more vague now with those reports if I post them at all. Especially if the girl specifically asks me not to share any details of my visits.
[QUOTE=TeeTime69;5748407]A number of us have been burned after being helpful to a dumb or rookie monger.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheNewWorld;5747860]Most here seem to want the thrill of the chase.
I say find your girl and work with her, you get much better service. You write that you are working with two girls, you have a good income. Working with one girl is 200 a week and at the extent of my hobby funds.
Find a girl that gives a good massage first, and be loyal and regular to her and it goes a long way.
Don't be safe, be her regular.[/QUOTE]I have been playing it safe for a quite a few years with 2 provider's but I still have to make a trip to Toledo or a couple of known local spas if I want a CBJ. I can't seem to crack the code for it on the 2 spas I go to now. I'm loyal to one of them from previous years friendship and I'm loyal to the other one because of the great massage and friendship. I'm ok with it because I don't need a CBJ very often.
[QUOTE=FrankyV8;5741883]Can you describe her better? Age, build? Hope you're not talking about the owner.
What is the level of service these days? Fully nude?[/QUOTE]She's short, kind of a fit square peg but kinda cute too. Somewhere between 30 & 40, I can never guess Asian age good. Not much up top and she wasn't showing anything either. Everything stayed on. She is quite skilled though IMO.
She's not the owner as far as I know, it's the first time I saw her there.
[QUOTE=HookerLover;5735831]Use the number on her Instagram. It's right there for you. But yes, she is hard to get a hold of. Only does day appts.[/QUOTE]Thanks I didn't see the number.
[QUOTE=SandersNut;5745595]I just had an add pop up for this place in Shelby township. Looks like it's new. Anyone try it yet?[/QUOTE]Wonder if the girls look that good IRL.
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That pic of her spread out looked amazing.
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That pic of her spread out looked amazing.[/QUOTE]If that doesn't scream fake not sure what does. Did you do any research? She does look amazing though!
Is Alice back in business, and if so. Jenny still there?
[QUOTE=Epoks;5749152]Is Alice back in business, and if so. Jenny still there?[/QUOTE]Yes, I went to Alice a couple weeks ago. I walked in in early evening and was lucky enough to draw Jenny. Standard 80 for HR plus 50 tip.
[QUOTE=SingDong99;5746719]I've gotten a HE there, haven't been since just before covid. She was not very happy to be doing it, I can say that for sure. I didn't get a good vibe from the place so I haven't been back.[/QUOTE]She used to work at the Mulan that was on Haggerty. That's when I started seeing her. I always assumed she was lying to me when she said she doesn't do it for everyone. I get plenty of teasing, she knows how to give a good ending and never complains. At least for me. She tried to expand a few years ago by bringing on more girls and they were not allowed to make the customers happy. She pretty quickly went back to being the only provider.
I think if we are honest with ourselves none of these woman really want to be giving us handies, but they want / need the tip money.
If you got a bad vibe it's probably best to avoid.
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Saw this little thing today. Had the option of seeing both girls but opted for Summer (the shorter one). Set up was pretty easy, arrival was a bit awkward with other people being in the apartment, but I had a stressful day at work and thought "what the hell? Lets go for it". She is an absolute sweetheart. I went with the qv but never once felt rushed. We had a decent conversation before and after, just basic chit chat. Her body is amazing and she is completely friendly and I felt very relaxed through the whole session. I will repeat.
[QUOTE=FloppyMcStiffy;5749179]She used to work at the Mulan that was on Haggerty. That's when I started seeing her. I always assumed she was lying to me when she said she doesn't do it for everyone. I get plenty of teasing, she knows how to give a good ending and never complains. At least for me. She tried to expand a few years ago by bringing on more girls and they were not allowed to make the customers happy. She pretty quickly went back to being the only provider.
I think if we are honest with ourselves none of these woman really want to be giving us handies, but they want / need the tip money.
If you got a bad vibe it's probably best to avoid.[/QUOTE]My assessment of most AMPs is about 10-15% no extras; 25% unwilling / unenthusiastic HJ; 50% enthusiastic HJ with lots of tease, roaming otc / utc; 10-15% BJ / FS. So a solid majority know what we are there for and are more than willing to make us happy.
Gina at Evian has been spending a lot of time in New York lately so if you want to see her call first. Hanna is ok but not near as good as Gina. IMO.
[QUOTE=Jp1225;5749433]My assessment of most AMPs is about 10-15% no extras; 25% unwilling / unenthusiastic HJ; 50% enthusiastic HJ with lots of tease, roaming otc / utc; 10-15% BJ / FS. So a solid majority know what we are there for and are more than willing to make us happy.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying there are not place that won't provide the services we want or nievly think we are there just for a massage. I'm saying you're buying their enthusiasm. If you think the 60-65% are doing it because they want too vs doing it because they want the tip and know what they have to do to get it, I would challenge you to give them the tip upfront and tell them they don't have to make you happy unless they want to. It's a business transaction, plain and simple. We reward the better service and that includes their enthusiasm, real or not.
[QUOTE=Drews4;5750212]Gina at Evian has been spending a lot of time in New York lately so if you want to see her call first. Hanna is ok but not near as good as Gina. IMO.[/QUOTE]What kind of services are offered here? What do Gina and Hanna look like?
[QUOTE=SkinDogToo;5749086]If that doesn't scream fake not sure what does. Did you do any research? She does look amazing though![/QUOTE]Just on there and [URL]Hot.com[/URL] search.
[QUOTE=Smashing1979;5750514]What kind of services are offered here? What do Gina and Hanna look like?[/QUOTE]PM me and I will tell you what I can.
[QUOTE=FloppyMcStiffy;5750314]I'm not saying there are not place that won't provide the services we want or nievly think we are there just for a massage. I'm saying you're buying their enthusiasm. If you think the 60-65% are doing it because they want too vs doing it because they want the tip and know what they have to do to get it, I would challenge you to give them the tip upfront and tell them they don't have to make you happy unless they want to. It's a business transaction, plain and simple. We reward the better service and that includes their enthusiasm, real or not.[/QUOTE]Has anyone ever tipped a waiter or uber driver up front?