"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2448730]My ATF is painfully shy. While I wouldn't care if most girls I see stumbled across this thread (highly unlikely, although a few have). Out of respect for her I would not post risque pics. I have posted some very risque pics of other girls like my current little church girl. In her case making it impossible to identify her due to the camera angles or lighting. But thanks for the compliment. She is my 6 foot spinner fantasy come true.

Which leads me to a somewhat related topic. While I have dated the "brazen hussy" types over the years. It's the painfully shy and loner types that sometimes really rock my world. I always look for some trait in them that I can tell probably caused them some serious grief or made them an outsider in HS and empathize with that to gain their confidence and trust. Having been one of those kids as well I can relate.

These traits could be a lot of things, overly large breasts, very slender, grew up in a neighborhood outside their race, very intelligent, studied dance, classical music or did sports their entire childhood. And many more possibilities. Anything that makes them different enough to stand out to the point of creating an isolated past or envy among their peers to the level of being hated on.

There is nothing hotter than an obviously sexy girl that openly displays her vulnerability in spite of truly wishing that no one would notice. Not the ones that feign shock at the overly aggressive advances from thirsty men. But in a young girl of the former type, because this naturally leads to the need for a strong daddy figure for protection and/or acceptance.

Life is good.[/QUOTE]Yes it is and I understand your stance. Good insight there, I was one of those kinds of kids too. Sigh. Yes life is good.

[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad;2448940]Yes it is and I understand your stance. Good insight there, I was one of those kinds of kids too. Sigh. Yes life is good.[/QUOTE]I mean that advice is only if you want to pay less and go more long term with a girl that actually likes you. And the needier a girl is the harder she is going to try in the FC (you would think).

The advantage to paying more or having a GPS girl is you are (maybe) more in control and can get a cuter looking girl but then you got to deal with a lot of fake crying after you leave them. LOL. And there are still no guarantees in the skills dept.

Sometimes I think there is a direct correlation between price and performance. A low price girl thats good knows you are gonna come back again and again, but a high priced girl that knows shes not all that has to get as much as possible because she knows its not going to last. A major generalization for sure. I am more convinced that some girls just dont have a clue if they are any good in the FC or not. I am really mostly talking about the young ones. But thats where most of my experience lies.

Finally the weather is getting warmer up here in the Northeast and I am trying to come out to the bowl to play again. And especially try to put Hollywood's excellent guide to good use.

I signed up for a 3 day trial period with SD4 M with a $5 prepaid card. We all know this 3 day period runs for about a month after you signed up and they failed to charged your CC.

So I did a quick search for babies between 18-40 within 50 mile radius of my zip code and I've found less than 50 babies that signed up in the past 2 week.

What happened to SD4 M? Are they doing that bad these days? Babies don't sign up to that site anymore?

I am going to sign up for SA next, if I can't find anything on SD4 M.

I am probably going to renew my SA membership because. Whatever. TMI.

What are some good tips for a good profile?

I know the obvious:

Don't use a real pic.

I have been reading back and I don't see a recent discussion on this.

I have real pics -- I am married -- but have them on p rivate. I used to only email them upon request, but found; many women would not bother to take that extra step just to make sure I was not fugly.

In my case, I live in a small town, so anything here would have to be duriing business hours with SB hosting.

I also travel to major cities monthly and am targeting women there too.

In general I made it clear I am not looking to date. No dinners out on the town, spending the day together -- just NSA fun if the chemistry is right, which I ahve been able to establish simply by message / email adn maybe a phone call.

They know what I want and those willing to go for such a casual arrangement reply. Those looking for a long term thing and allowance don't contact me and I don't bother selling something to them they are not in the market for.

I keep it honest, but have my pics on private.

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If I had that kind of disposable income -- I would NOT be using AM!! The guy should be reading this forum!

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[QUOTE=AzMagic;2434093]I am in Hartford area.[/QUOTE]Sent you a pm, Hartford area, please check your inbox. I am in CT once or twice a week.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2449871]Finally the weather is getting warmer up here in the Northeast and I am trying to come out to the bowl to play again. And especially try to put Hollywood's excellent guide to good use.

I signed up for a 3 day trial period with SD4 M with a $5 prepaid card. We all know this 3 day period runs for about a month after you signed up and they failed to charged your CC.

So I did a quick search for babies between 18-40 within 50 mile radius of my zip code and I've found less than 50 babies that signed up in the past 2 week.

What happened to SD4 M? Are they doing that bad these days? Babies don't sign up to that site anymore?

I am going to sign up for SA next, if I can't find anything on SD4 M.[/QUOTE]I think we fish in the same pond and I've always found SA to have a better selection even tho in the past I've met some gems on SD4 ME.

If I was laying out that kind of money, the woman would be treating me like a full time job.

[QUOTE=GuyWoodson;2451112]If I had that kind of disposable income -- I would NOT be using AM!! The guy should be reading this forum![/QUOTE]

I want to thank Hollywood Guy for his 5-step plan and generous advice. Wish I had followed it before meeting this SB. Experience is an expensive teacher. I am brand new to the sugar bowl. Tried SA in Japan and got completely fleeced by a Taiwanese girl on my second date. She is 31 years old, slim, attractive. She told me she was just looking for a lover. I am 41, so it was somewhat believable. We had dinner the first date and she seemed very sweet. The second date after dinner she told me again she was feeling lonely, and just wanted companionship. We visited a hotel. Long story short, she hit me up for money after we got into the room, asked me for payment before the deed, which I foolishly paid, and then she told me that was just for cuddling, and asked for more for sex. I stared at her in disbelief. This sweet girl I had spent a few hours talking to was a total con artist. I asked for my money back. She refused, and I considered my options. Ugly situation. I told her to get out, and barely managed to keep it together. I have never been taken like that before, and I have probably banged 200+ hookers in my life.

Hopefully my experience will help someone out there. Confirm expectations, and be careful what situation you get into.

[QUOTE=SushiLover69;2451575]I want to thank Hollywood Guy for his 5-step plan and generous advice. Wish I had followed it before meeting this SB. Experience is an expensive teacher. I am brand new to the sugar bowl. Tried SA in Japan and got completely fleeced by a Taiwanese girl on my second date. She is 31 years old, slim, attractive. She told me she was just looking for a lover. I am 41, so it was somewhat believable. We had dinner the first date and she seemed very sweet. The second date after dinner she told me again she was feeling lonely, and just wanted companionship. We visited a hotel. Long story short, she hit me up for money after we got into the room, asked me for payment before the deed, which I foolishly paid, and then she told me that was just for cuddling, and asked for more for sex. I stared at her in disbelief. This sweet girl I had spent a few hours talking to was a total con artist. I asked for my money back. She refused, and I considered my options. Ugly situation. I told her to get out, and barely managed to keep it together. I have never been taken like that before, and I have probably banged 200+ hookers in my life.

Hopefully my experience will help someone out there. Confirm expectations, and be careful what situation you get into.[/QUOTE]Hookers are in it for the "long term" and want to preserve their client base. Sugars are usually not "professional" and have nothing to fear as far as reprisals. She knew you were in a foreign country and wouldn't do anything anyway. If they ask for money up front as an SB they are Pros or scammers. Tough lesson but we have all been there if we have done this game long enough.

[QUOTE=SushiLover69;2451575]I want to thank Hollywood Guy for his 5-step plan and generous advice. Wish I had followed it before meeting this SB. Experience is an expensive teacher. I am brand new to the sugar bowl. Tried SA in Japan and got completely fleeced by a Taiwanese girl on my second date. She is 31 years old, slim, attractive. She told me she was just looking for a lover. I am 41, so it was somewhat believable. We had dinner the first date and she seemed very sweet. The second date after dinner she told me again she was feeling lonely, and just wanted companionship. We visited a hotel. Long story short, she hit me up for money after we got into the room, asked me for payment before the deed, which I foolishly paid, and then she told me that was just for cuddling, and asked for more for sex. I stared at her in disbelief. This sweet girl I had spent a few hours talking to was a total con artist. I asked for my money back. She refused, and I considered my options. Ugly situation. I told her to get out, and barely managed to keep it together. I have never been taken like that before, and I have probably banged 200+ hookers in my life.

Hopefully my experience will help someone out there. Confirm expectations, and be careful what situation you get into.[/QUOTE]Sorry you got taken, I would imagine being in a foreign country would add to the sting. The Jeezlizard Plan (tm) is not as thorough, or well thought out as Hollywoods, but it's very easy to remember: Never pre-agree to amounts, and always gift them a gift of an amount you choose after the deed. It's worked a charm for me, never been scammed.

[QUOTE=SushiLover69;2451575]I want to thank Hollywood Guy for his 5-step plan and generous advice. Wish I had followed it before meeting this SB. Experience is an expensive teacher. I am brand new to the sugar bowl. Tried SA in Japan and got completely fleeced by a Taiwanese girl on my second date. She is 31 years old, slim, attractive. She told me she was just looking for a lover. I am 41, so it was somewhat believable. We had dinner the first date and she seemed very sweet. The second date after dinner she told me again she was feeling lonely, and just wanted companionship. We visited a hotel. Long story short, she hit me up for money after we got into the room, asked me for payment before the deed, which I foolishly paid, and then she told me that was just for cuddling, and asked for more for sex. I stared at her in disbelief. This sweet girl I had spent a few hours talking to was a total con artist. I asked for my money back. She refused, and I considered my options. Ugly situation. I told her to get out, and barely managed to keep it together. I have never been taken like that before, and I have probably banged 200+ hookers in my life.

Hopefully my experience will help someone out there. Confirm expectations, and be careful what situation you get into.[/QUOTE]I don't know how much she took you for, but at least there is a lesson in it. Even with utr's I never pay up front. Sometimes you just have to walk away.