"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Just my take on things, but here goes:

I don't let them play games with me. I don't provide and sugar for a m&g. The sugar starts when the panties hit the floor, period. And that has to happen no later than the second date. I am ok with not going to the FC on the first date. Personally, I hate to commit to that before we meet and talk anyway. If there are no solid plans to go to the FC on the second date, there is no second date. And I don't deviate from this EVER. It's cast in stone. I don't care how hot they are. I'm not investing extra time in them to get to the FC. I have had them ask for sugar during the m&g, to which I tell them the panties on the floor policy. Most of the time they understand. If they don't, NEXT!

As far as CIM, if they don't explicitly say that is not allowed when I ask beforehand what they don't allow, then it's game on. Most of the time I just drop the load in their mouth with no warning. Very few do anything other than swallow and smile. Once in a while you get one that spits. And even rarely I come across one that gets pissed. I don't worry about that one. If they won't see me again because of that then it's their loss. NEXT!

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2445701]Wow did not know that CIM / facial is indicative of a special relationship between a man & a woman. Some of the women I have paid for did not kiss as it was "personal".

I always politely ask if I can CIM! Yes means I am on cloud 9 no they offer their boobs instead. No one has hinted that they do that only for their BF etc seems like they either do it or not with anybody.[/QUOTE]I guess we all have our different sexual style. I've never ask a woman for permission to do anything, and to be honest I think it's the alpha male in me that attracts them. Sometimes perhaps it attracts them too much.

There are a number of conditions CIM occurs with me:

One of the more common scenarios is that they rode me until they came enough times that they are exhausted, they say "did you cum yet" and I say no and they know what to do next. If their BJ skills aren't skillful enough I might coach them through a proper job, but I don't ask them if they will.

Another scenario is we are going 69, and she's just doing such an amazing job that I want to finish at that point before proceeding to cock-and-vag. This is more of a surprise mouth shot -- but, it shouldn't really be a surprise to her because it would take a certain level of skill or effort on her part to get me there.

The last scenario would be something along the lines of missionary or doggy, and I get ready to cum and position myself toward her mouth, grabbing the back of her head to guide her into her position as the receiver, somewhat shoving my cock in her mouth and demanding she takes the load.

It's that last scenario that is most likely how it would happen with an SB on a first date.

Subsequent dates are always an entirely different story. If its someone I'm dating, they'll take the money shot orally sooner or later, guaranteed. It can happen as simply as sitting on the same couch watching TV, a bit of hand roaming, and next thing you know she's bobbing her head on my lap. Usually at that point if I am sitting back with the TV remote in my hand, it's like an unwritten agreement that things will end "happily" with little or not effort on my part.

I also cum an a relatively high amount of fluid, even by standards of most porn vids I've seen (with the exception of some large-load-launchers like Peter North) which might freak out a woman with an aversion to semen if I blast them on the first date, which is why I don't want to surprise anyone with the act itself and a large load at the same time. It doesn't seem fair some how.

To go back for a moment to my statement about not asking to do anything -- I have the kind of personality that does not lend itself to that. I'm considerate but in sort of an unspoken way if that makes sense. I don't ask permission, but I do a certain level of "appropriateness assessment" in my own mind to determine if the timing is right for something (whether we are talking sex, business, etc.) before proceeding.

I'm sure I could have gotten away with cumming in more girls mouths than I have, if I had tried. But as I said, I've found that some of them regard things like CIM and anal as a huge sacrifice, something they can later go all angry and say "damn you! I let you cum in my mouth and fuck my ass, and now you're breaking up with me?" I prefer to avoid all that if possible.

Yes I've been there several times so maybe that's why I'm a bit jaded. I think that's what you were referring to when you said:

"Wow did not know that CIM / facial is indicative of a special relationship between a man & a woman. Some of the women I have paid for did not kiss as it was 'personal'. "

In my opinion, the perception of kissing of being personal is more of an indication of a professional looking for money. The perception of coming in mouth, anal, or other things that would make a woman appear a sl_t to a potential long term mate is more indicative of what I usually refer to here as a true SB. If they are sizing you up for the long-term, they will behave more like a girlfriend than an escort.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2445987]Just my take on things, but here goes:

I don't let them play games with me. I don't provide and sugar for a m&g. The sugar starts when the panties hit the floor, period. And that has to happen no later than the second date. I am ok with not going to the FC on the first date. Personally, I hate to commit to that before we meet and talk anyway. If there are no solid plans to go to the FC on the second date, there is no second date. And I don't deviate from this EVER. It's cast in stone. I don't care how hot they are. I'm not investing extra time in them to get to the FC. I have had them ask for sugar during the m&g, to which I tell them the panties on the floor policy. Most of the time they understand. If they don't, NEXT!

As far as CIM, if they don't explicitly say that is not allowed when I ask beforehand what they don't allow, then it's game on. Most of the time I just drop the load in their mouth with no warning. Very few do anything other than swallow and smile. Once in a while you get one that spits. And even rarely I come across one that gets pissed. I don't worry about that one. If they won't see me again because of that then it's their loss. NEXT![/QUOTE]My experience since in the bowl is that the SB spinner types prefer a facial over CIM. I did have one SB that made it her duty to swallow and would lock her mouth on it till I begged her to stop. She would just keep going till nothing was left, not even a hard on anymore. SB sex is just a different type of sex in general. In a good way.

I am seeing a number of SBs who are lesbian (maybe bi.).

I was with one SB tonight. Great body. Great fuck. She can cum from fucking. Fucks me raw for hours.

She blurted out that she doesn't do guys, she has a girlfriend. Huh?

The other SB tells me she likes girls but fucks me great.

I don't get it but I am not complaining as long as they keep coming back to my bed.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2446157]I am seeing a number of SBs who are lesbian (maybe bi.).

I was with one SB tonight. Great body. Great fuck. She can cum from fucking. Fucks me raw for hours.

She blurted out that she doesn't do guys, she has a girlfriend. Huh?

The other SB tells me she likes girls but fucks me great.

I don't get it but I am not complaining as long as they keep coming back to my bed.[/QUOTE]I guess the definition of what is lesbian and what is bi have gotten complicated. To me, if a woman only has sex with women she's lesbian, if she has sex with both she's bi, and the formula is that simple. I guess discussion could be created around what her motivations are for each, but my basis for my evaluation is that a truly heterosexual man would not do anything with another man, even if he were starving to death and needed money for survival. If he's willing to "do whatever it takes to pay bills", in my mind he's bi. A pure hetero male would take death by torture over "dabbling on the other side of the fence", but maybe the female mind is wired different.

I personally love bi girls -- they are usually very open minded and very sexual and experimental. I think most SBs I've met fall into this category to some degree, even if their profile doesn't mention it.

But, I have noticed there are a lot of SBs that I would call full-lesbian. In other words, they will take a cock but they don't really want or crave it, thus they are in the SB game solely for money. That type does not appeal to me, because while I don't mind helping them financially, I am repulsed by a situation where that is the only motive. I want them to fuck because they want to fuck, not act like they want to.

But, when they say something like they "don't do guys", it could mean a number of things. First its BS because she just "did" you right? LOL. Second, she may just be saying that she has issues with relationships with men, therefore does not get emotionally attached to them (she may still like the cock though). Or, it could just be her way of saying she's in a relationship she's happy with, with a girl, and wants to keep things purely no-strings in terms of her SB activity. Maybe she's only in it for money, or maybe she does enjoy the sex but doesn't want the SD to read anymore into it but sex for allowance? Women are complicated, they come in all forms (and cum in all forms). LOL.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2446157]I am seeing a number of SBs who are lesbian (maybe bi.).

I was with one SB tonight. Great body. Great fuck. She can cum from fucking. Fucks me raw for hours.

She blurted out that she doesn't do guys, she has a girlfriend. Huh?

The other SB tells me she likes girls but fucks me great.

I don't get it but I am not complaining as long as they keep coming back to my bed.[/QUOTE]I need one of those.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2445686]I remember the cash price for this particular type of procedure was advertised by this doc for a few hundred $ Also do not go by the cost of service given by the insurance co get it from the actual provider by asking for cash price or price for self insured patients.
Hospitals have one price for insurers and another for cash paying patients.If you and the SO are not planning on having children then you can offer to be snipped and save her the burden of being on the pill etc She will then owe you one![/QUOTE]It is harder to find in this "new" world of medical regulation but just call around urologists' offices for an "in house" procedure. They don't need a full on surgicenter and can do the snip with a little PO sedative and local anesthesia in the office setting for cash. Trust me, a Doc these days will take a handful of cash and no insurance involvement. If you go without a sedative you can drive yourself home.

CIM? I must be missing that gene but I don't get it. Tried it with one of my Ho friends and she gulped it on down. Meh! Give me a tight pussy any day to pump a load into. If I had a large volume maybe it would be more fun to see it pouring down her cheeks and her gagging on the 4th pump. It is fun to see the high volume porn stars shoot a bucket load all over the place. But then again it would be fun to have a 10 " dick. If pigs could fly -.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2446362]
CIM? I must be missing that gene but I don't get it. Tried it with one of my Ho friends and she gulped it on down. Meh! Give me a tight pussy any day to pump a load into. If I had a large volume maybe it would be more fun to see it pouring down her cheeks and her gagging on the 4th pump. It is fun to see the high volume porn stars shoot a bucket load all over the place. But then again it would be fun to have a 10 " dick. If pigs could fly -.[/QUOTE]I've had friends who don't really care for oral at all, I guess it's a preferential thing. BJ skills can vary, but for me CIM is only possible if they are doing a nice job orally, so the very fact that I came at all implies that it's a great BJ.

In terms of whether they swallow or spit -- I don't really care about that, once it's left me I couldn't care less about what they do with it, except that back in the days when I drove cars with upholstered interiors (as opposed to leather seats), if I was lucky enough to score a parking lot BJ after a bar hookup, it mattered a great deal whether they kept in their mouth (one way or another) versus letting it spill all over the car seat -- cleaning spooge stains out of car seats isn't much fun even when they're your own handiwork.

As far as high-volume semen pumpers, a lot of those ridiculously voluminous baby-batter dispensers you see in porn, are fake, just as most of the projectile female squirters are. You can usually tell the fakes by the limited camera angles, the fact they are holding the base of the fake cock the entire time, and sometimes you can just tell by the act itself (no human being can dispense a half gallon of cookie dough as they would have some believe). There are of course a number of legitimate mega-spoogers that consistently throw down quite a huge-nasty payload. I'm a high volume paster, assuming I don't have sex more than once a day, but it is not necessarily anything to wish for or be proud of. Sometimes there is a little bit of shock factor on the part of the girl and when you're young you get a certain amount of entertainment value from their reaction, but beyond that I don't think it's something they are impressed about. In fact it becomes somewhat of a disadvantage, because if a girl is already a bit semen-averse, and you give her a full load in the mouth, some of them will tell you flat out they don't want to do it again because you cum too much, and at those times I want my volume to be lower.

The other big downside to a big load, is sometimes during a BJ, the spray causes the girl to stop what she's doing right at the moment of great intensity, becoming distracted or maybe a bit disgusted, and forgetting to finish the job with her mouth or hand, and to be honest that can be the worst kind of sex possible. I've had it happen more than once and for me, an interrupted orgasm is "date-over, let's get you home".

As far as a 10" cock, not sure I want one of those either. I watch monster-cock guys get head and it looks like girl can't get 10% of it in her mouth. That doesn't look like a satisfying BJ to me at all. Poor bastards don't know how bad they've been cursed.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2446362]CIM? I must be missing that gene but I don't get it..[/QUOTE]Occasionally I get the pleasure if a girl can really suck for a long time and with amazing suction. But at the end of a long session I usually go for some extended ball sucking with a simultaneous HJ. I suppose if I could go 3 days without sex I could make it happen. My x MILF used to constantly complain that I never came in her mouth. LOL. But I love watching all of them try. There really isnt a sub girl out there that doesn't consider that a token of daddys appreciation and maybe gets a little sad if you dont once in a while.

I guess I can say its official. My roommate moved out after 2.5 years to go live with her same age same ethnicity BF. So for all you stalkers and lurkers, she is not here anymore and good luck finding her. We had a great time while it lasted. I did a lot for her, but he can give her things I can't and that she really needs and that I want her to have. Which is a chance to back off the hollywood lifestyle for a while, get back in school and look after her health. If you are reading this dude. There is no ill will from me. Just remember she's not a FOB, and stop crying to get your way all the time, it's kinda lame.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2447464]Occasionally I get the pleasure if a girl can really suck for a long time and with amazing suction. But at the end of a long session I usually go for some extended ball sucking with a simultaneous HJ. I suppose if I could go 3 days without sex I could make it happen. My x MILF used to constantly complain that I never came in her mouth. LOL. But I love watching all of them try. There really isnt a sub girl out there that doesn't consider that a token of daddys appreciation and maybe gets a little sad if you dont once in a while.[/QUOTE]A truly great BJ is far more elusive than I'd like it to be. Although, I guess if they were ubiquitous, it would diminish the pleasure a bit whenever one stumbles upon gold.

A great blowjob can be any combination of enthusiastic effort or simply raw talent. I've known girls that seemed to be barely trying, but there was something about their technique and natural amount of suction that just makes it feel sublime.

Aside from the natural talent factor (which of course varies among girls, but tends to remain relatively constant in any one girl over time), a BJ can be an interesting indicator and side effect of what's going through the girl's mind.

A girl who is trying to impress you and establish her worthiness for an ongoing relationship or whatever can be quite a treat when she is giving you her best possible oral effort. Sometimes the psychology behind guiding them down the road of doing so can be almost as fun as the act itself.

Then again sometimes you end up with a fairly uneventful hummer that is little more than foreplay for a bigger event.

Reminds me of that great line from Updike's classic 60's novel, Run Rabbit Run, "To fuck is human, to be blown devine. ".

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2447765]A truly great BJ is far more elusive than I'd like it to be. Although, I guess if they were ubiquitous, it would diminish the pleasure a bit whenever one stumbles upon gold.

A great blowjob can be any combination of enthusiastic effort or simply raw talent. I've known girls that seemed to be barely trying, but there was something about their technique and natural amount of suction that just makes it feel sublime.

Aside from the natural talent factor (which of course varies among girls, but tends to remain relatively constant in any one girl over time), a BJ can be an interesting indicator and side effect of what's going through the girl's mind.

A girl who is trying to impress you and establish her worthiness for an ongoing relationship or whatever can be quite a treat when she is giving you her best possible oral effort. Sometimes the psychology behind guiding them down the road of doing so can be almost as fun as the act itself.

Then again sometimes you end up with a fairly uneventful hummer that is little more than foreplay for a bigger event.[/QUOTE]

Here are a few pics I took tonite of my ATF.

Going on 7 months now at least twice a week.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2448386]Here are a few pics I took tonite of my ATF.

Going on 7 months now at least twice a week.[/QUOTE]Damn HG, why did I not see this before? She is smokin. LOL I can see why you keep her around. If you share even more risque pics, I bet not one monger on here complains. LOL excellent, bro. JTW.

[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad;2448701]Damn HG, why did I not see this before? She is smokin. LOL I can see why you keep her around. If you share even more risque pics, I bet not one monger on here complains. LOL excellent, bro. JTW.[/QUOTE]My ATF is painfully shy. While I wouldn't care if most girls I see stumbled across this thread (highly unlikely, although a few have). Out of respect for her I would not post risque pics. I have posted some very risque pics of other girls like my current little church girl. In her case making it impossible to identify her due to the camera angles or lighting. But thanks for the compliment. She is my 6 foot spinner fantasy come true.

Which leads me to a somewhat related topic. While I have dated the "brazen hussy" types over the years. It's the painfully shy and loner types that sometimes really rock my world. I always look for some trait in them that I can tell probably caused them some serious grief or made them an outsider in HS and empathize with that to gain their confidence and trust. Having been one of those kids as well I can relate.

These traits could be a lot of things, overly large breasts, very slender, grew up in a neighborhood outside their race, very intelligent, studied dance, classical music or did sports their entire childhood. And many more possibilities. Anything that makes them different enough to stand out to the point of creating an isolated past or envy among their peers to the level of being hated on.

There is nothing hotter than an obviously sexy girl that openly displays her vulnerability in spite of truly wishing that no one would notice. Not the ones that feign shock at the overly aggressive advances from thirsty men. But in a young girl of the former type, because this naturally leads to the need for a strong daddy figure for protection and/or acceptance.

Life is good.