Pressure from bookers to quash unfavorable reviews
When a provider is disappointing it seems particularly important to post a review. If other mongers are content with what that provider offers they might well still choose to patronize that provider.
Recently I posted a review that was positive overall but concluded that the services expected in this area for the premium toll that was charged were not provided. The booker sent me an angry email telling me I was no longer welcome at that agency. Another time the booker of a K-agency asked me not to publish negative reviews because they hurt her business. She seemed not to care at all that I had wasted 3 $.
I would think that an agency would want to winnow out providers who are not up to the usual standards. But it seems they are more concerned with raking in the $ than maintaining a high level of services provided. Seems a bit short-sighted to me.
Admittedly agency managers are between a rock and a hard place in navigating the differing expectations of mongers and providers, and bless them for undertaking the job at no small risk to themselves. But they can and should talk frankly to providers about what specific services will be offered.
Have you encountered this problem? Any bookers want to weigh in?
Butterfly Legend Agency. Jane
[URL]http://www.butterflylegend.com/[/URL]#!jane / ch7.
This K-girl agency is reliable and always has attractive k-girls in their 20's. Incall in Faiirfax. Website shows who is available and the pricing. 220 for 45 and 260 for the hour. Not clear what GFE Plus entails but it is an extra 40.
Jane is the typical attractive young slim K-Girl. Standard K-girl routine. I have been using K-girl agencies for a while and never disappointed. Some girls great, some girls good. Some teasing and touching in the shower. Great BBBJ. Goes deep and licks around shaft and head. Did missionary and doggy before I blew.
Enjoyable experience. Always new girls arriving and often 2-3 girls available. There is screening required before you can make an appointment. All the K-girl agencies located in NoVa, some in Fairfax, some in Annandale, some in Tysons. All require screening. Over time, they tend to come and go. Yes, screening is annoying but do it once and the next time it is very easy to make an appointment.
The Incall That Turned Into an Outcall
The term "GFE" is used in almost every ad, but rarely have I been able to say that a provider exemplifies the qualities I would want in a GF. Although "Lee" is not a robo-babe (but see the details below), she is the exception to that rule. She is affectionate, kind, flexible, accommodating and skilled. She not only did everything I suggested, but seemed to take genuine pleasure in doing so.
Having seen Lee's very positive reviews, 3 weeks ago I decided to see her. I set the appointment up by email and confirmed the night before; she emailed "I'll be waiting for you sweetie. " Then when I was on the way to the appointment, I texted her for the first time. She responded saying that she couldn't do it because she had another appointment, and apologized profusely; "I want to make it up to you. " I was quite miffed at the screwup, especially because the person who emailed had indicated that she was the provider, but I resisted the urge to express anger. We all know how the best laid plans can go awry in this hobby. I just said I would try again another time.
A couple of weeks later, swayed by a steady flow of good reviews, I gave it another try. I set up another appointment, this time by text, and emailed to confirm. It turns out the emails are handled by a booker, "Amy," who revealed herself this time. Why she had impersonated the provider the first time I don't know, but it was mistake in judgment that almost cost them a client. (A good one IMHO haha.).
When I texted for the appointment, Lee said she was leaving the next day for a couple of weeks, but could see me in the morning. I arrived at the appointed time and texted her. She unexpectedly replied, "I'm coming out now. " I could only speculate that she wanted to check me out first. She got into my car, we introduced ourselves, and she explained that maintenance workers had unexpectedly come to her apartment, but we could go to a nearby hotel. I said we could go to my place if she liked, no one was there and it was fairly close by. She agreed and off we went. On the way we had an open and congenial getting acquainted chat and I felt like wow, instead of the usual assembly line experience this is like a real date.
We arrived at my place, I showed her around and we went into the bedroom, effortlessly transitioning to kissing and disrobing. Lee is a K-girl, said she is 26, has nice perky A-be cups, a little extra fat around the waist and a nice butt. In short a completely acceptable GND type. The only flaw in her appearance is that her teeth are not so great. But she told me that the reason she was going away was to have plastic surgery in South America on her breasts, waist and butt! I told her honestly that I thought she didn't need any such enhancement.
Lee gave me an enthusiastic warmup BBBJ, but before she got far I stopped her so I could give her a massage. I did so and soon commenced DATO, there was enough give to penetrate a bit with my tongue, which didn't surprise me because her reviews said she does Greek for an upcharge. She seemed to enjoy it and she also allowed FITO.
I proceeded to give her more massage and DATY. Since we were at my place I suggested using a toy. She readily agreed and I combined a cylindrical vibrator with my tongue. Again she seemed to enjoy it but after about 10 minutes she didn't seem to reach a climax. Next time I'll break out the Hitachi Magic Wand.
I slipped on a cover and we did missionary position still using the vibrator. Eventually the vibrator kind of fell away and we just went at it, our bodies fit together comfortably. I had to stop myself from going over the falls and asked if we could finish with BBBJ. She readily agreed, I had a shattering climax, and afterwards we kissed and snowballed a bit, one of my favorite things to do. She didn't make a move to the bathroom to rinse until I led her in there. That is very rare and to me it was the highlight of the encounter.
She offered massage but I declined so we could chat and cuddle. She seemed entirely content and unconscious of the time and I had to eventually suggest we get dressed and go. I gave her the envelope with the $2. 8 fee in it and was only too happy to add an extra $ out of my wallet as a tip. During the drive back to her place we held hands. After I dropped her off, with mutual assurances to meet again after she comes back, I looked at the clock. Two hours had passed since I picked her up.
Lee seemed to trust me completely from the outset, showing no hesitation to get into my car, come to my house and give herself to me without limitations. I'the like to think she recognized that I am a decent guy but I couldn't help wondering if she needs to be a little more careful. She said she has only been doing this for a couple of months. Since she's making a big investment in plastic surgery I guess she is committed to it, although she said she plans to become a surgical nurse.
I know this story seems fantastical, but I swear every word of it is true. I don't think I will ever forget this experience. As I have said before.
Damn do I enjoy this hobby.
So you paid a total of $380?
[QUOTE=Ambidextrous;2605037]The term "GFE" is used in almost every ad, but rarely have I been able to say that a provider exemplifies the qualities I would want in a GF. Although "Lee" is not a robo-babe (but see the details below), she is the exception to that rule. She is affectionate, kind, flexible, accommodating and skilled. She not only did everything I suggested, but seemed to take genuine pleasure in doing so.
Having seen Lee's very positive reviews, 3 weeks ago I decided to see her. I set the appointment up by email and confirmed the night before; she emailed "I'll be waiting for you sweetie. " Then when I was on the way to the appointment, I texted her for the first time. She responded saying that she couldn't do it because she had another appointment, and apologized profusely; "I want to make it up to you. " I was quite miffed at the screwup, especially because the person who emailed had indicated that she was the provider, but I resisted the urge to express anger. We all know how the best laid plans can go awry in this hobby. I just said I would try again another time.
A couple of weeks later, swayed by a steady flow of good reviews, I gave it another try. I set up another appointment, this time by text, and emailed to confirm. It turns out the emails are handled by a booker, "Amy," who revealed herself this time. Why she had impersonated the provider the first time I don't know, but it was mistake in judgment that almost cost them a client. (A good one IMHO haha.).
When I texted for the appointment, Lee said she was leaving the next day for a couple of weeks, but could see me in the morning. I arrived at the appointed time and texted her. She unexpectedly replied, "I'm coming out now. " I could only speculate that she wanted to check me out first. She got into my car, we introduced ourselves, and she explained that maintenance workers had unexpectedly come to her apartment, but we could go to a nearby hotel. I said we could go to my place if she liked, no one was there and it was fairly close by. She agreed and off we went. On the way we had an open and congenial getting acquainted chat and I felt like wow, instead of the usual assembly line experience this is like a real date.
We arrived at my place, I showed her around and we went into the bedroom, effortlessly transitioning to kissing and disrobing. Lee is a K-girl, said she is 26, has nice perky A-be cups, a little extra fat around the waist and a nice butt. In short a completely acceptable GND type. The only flaw in her appearance is that her teeth are not so great. But she told me that the reason she was going away was to have plastic surgery in South America on her breasts, waist and butt! I told her honestly that I thought she didn't need any such enhancement.
Lee gave me an enthusiastic warmup BBBJ, but before she got far I stopped her so I could give her a massage. I did so and soon commenced DATO, there was enough give to penetrate a bit with my tongue, which didn't surprise me because her reviews said she does Greek for an upcharge. She seemed to enjoy it and she also allowed FITO.
I proceeded to give her more massage and DATY. Since we were at my place I suggested using a toy. She readily agreed and I combined a cylindrical vibrator with my tongue. Again she seemed to enjoy it but after about 10 minutes she didn't seem to reach a climax. Next time I'll break out the Hitachi Magic Wand.
I slipped on a cover and we did missionary position still using the vibrator. Eventually the vibrator kind of fell away and we just went at it, our bodies fit together comfortably. I had to stop myself from going over the falls and asked if we could finish with BBBJ. She readily agreed, I had a shattering climax, and afterwards we kissed and snowballed a bit, one of my favorite things to do. She didn't make a move to the bathroom to rinse until I led her in there. That is very rare and to me it was the highlight of the encounter.
She offered massage but I declined so we could chat and cuddle. She seemed entirely content and unconscious of the time and I had to eventually suggest we get dressed and go. I gave her the envelope with the $2. 8 fee in it and was only too happy to add an extra $ out of my wallet as a tip. During the drive back to her place we held hands. After I dropped her off, with mutual assurances to meet again after she comes back, I looked at the clock. Two hours had passed since I picked her up.
Lee seemed to trust me completely from the outset, showing no hesitation to get into my car, come to my house and give herself to me without limitations. I'the like to think she recognized that I am a decent guy but I couldn't help wondering if she needs to be a little more careful. She said she has only been doing this for a couple of months. Since she's making a big investment in plastic surgery I guess she is committed to it, although she said she plans to become a surgical nurse.
I know this story seems fantastical, but I swear every word of it is true. I don't think I will ever forget this experience. As I have said before.
Damn do I enjoy this hobby.[/QUOTE]Just confirming that the extra $ tip you mentioned = $100. If that's the case, while I'm glad you had a great time, at that price (and even at $280) a GFE should pretty much be the expected standard. The high end K-Agencies routinely offer model-quality providers at 220 (for 45 minutes) and 260-300 for a full hr and almost all of those girls score very high marks (8-10 for both looks and performance) on the oThER site. And speaking of that site, doing a search in the 240-300 price range, and using GFE parameters (BBBJ, DATY, DFK, etc.), will get you quite an impressive list of quality women who live in or visit Northern VA. The bigger challenge is finding GFE providers (and they do exist) in the less elevated price ranges.
Also, after inconveniencing you once, she very nearly did it to you again. That's because, when the maintenance workers showed up, there was no way she could have known ahead of time whether going to another location was going to work for you and she gave you no advance notice. Again, I'm glad for your sake that you came up with an alternate plan but it certainly could have turned out out differently had your place been further away or had you been on a tighter schedule. That's not a knock on her because maybe it was due to inexperience or just unforeseeable circumstances, but it's fair to point out that not every client would have been able to roll with the changes. And if you had been forced to cancel the appt for a second time, your post would have been ripping her a new one instead of praising her.
Please believe that I'm not trying to rain on your parade or downgrade your experience in any way. It's just that after many years of participating in the hobby I've often seen (and it's happened to me, too) mongers get smitten with a particular provider and engage in a kind of "halo effect". And it can happen to providers also, perhaps even more so if they are new to the biz.
So I'm posting simply to point out that the afterglow of a great session is something to absolutely enjoy but eventually gravity brings us all down from the clouds. My hope for you is that Lee doesn't become jaded with more experience and that the two of you will continue to share a special chemistry. But don't forget to keep a good balance between the little head and the big one.
$380, but Greek may be an upcharge?
[QUOTE=Ambidextrous;2605037] and she explained that maintenance workers had unexpectedly come to her apartment, but we could go to a nearby hotel. I said we could go to my place if she liked, no one was there and it was fairly close by. She agreed and off we went. On the way we had an open and congenial getting acquainted chat and I felt like wow, instead of the usual assembly line experience this is like a real date.
Lee gave me an enthusiastic warmup BBBJ, but before she got far I stopped her so I could give her a massage. I did so and soon commenced DATO, there was enough give to penetrate a bit with my tongue, which didn't surprise me because her reviews said she does Greek for an upcharge. She seemed to enjoy it and she also allowed FITO.
I slipped on a cover and we did missionary position still using the vibrator. Eventually the vibrator kind of fell away and we just went at it, our bodies fit together comfortably. I had to stop myself from going over the falls and asked if we could finish with BBBJ. She readily agreed, I had a shattering climax, and afterwards we kissed and snowballed a bit, one of my favorite things to do. She didn't make a move to the bathroom to rinse until I led her in there. That is very rare and to me it was the highlight of the encounter.
She offered massage but I declined so we could chat and cuddle. She seemed entirely content and unconscious of the time and I had to eventually suggest we get dressed and go. I gave her the envelope with the $2. 8 fee in it and was only too happy to add an extra $ out of my wallet as a tip. .[/QUOTE]I concur that you're slipping under "the halo effect. ".
The "maintenance workers" in her apartment were probably 2 customers seeing other girls, so there were no available bedrooms.
When she got into your car, was she going to pay for the hotel made necessary by her situation, or was the expectation that you were going to pay for it, on top of her fee?
Looking down this page alone, I see that you're routinely spending $300+ on experiences that aren't so great, so you've put yourself into a mindset where you're putting up with K-agency nonsense, but have crossed over thinking that a good GFE is worth $400. Halfway down this page, you're out $1,000 and only had one satisfying experience.
If I'm spending four bills, I'm knowing for a fact that Greek is on the menu, and the cover is still in its original wrapper.
Why not ditch the Asian agencies for a while and try some independent traveling girls with good reviews?
Back to the old restaurant analogy
[QUOTE=Ambidextrous;2606770]JmS and BB, your points are appreciated, but I honestly don't think I am under a halo effect. This kind of service is almost unknown in my experience. Everyone has their own propensities and what Lee and I did may not turn your crank, but to me this was an off the clock, no-holds-barred GFE; I could scarcely ask for more from a real GF. Especially at lower (BP) price points you cannot find that, at least not with young, attractive providers. (Believe me I have tried.) I think my $3. 8 was well spent.
BTW, when she got in my car she had a piece of paper with the hotel address and room number written on it. It seemed the room was already rented and I'm sure I wouldn't have had to pay for it.
Also BTW, you seem to suggest that bareback is a higher level of service a provider could offer. In my view that is reckless and I don't even want it to be on the menu with a provider.
Respectfully submitted.[/QUOTE]I hadn't taken the time to look at some of your previous posts until BB's post prompted that idea. Having done so, I think it's fair to say you have very specific tastes when it comes to the hobby. While you've seen some other Asian ethnicities (Thai, Chinese) and the occasional non-Asian, you admittedly have a preference for K-girls, and therein lies the issue.
Using a restaurant analogy, it's the equivalent of developing a strong taste for a particular cuisine and then devoting your time and $ in an effort to find the best restaurants of that type. And since K-girls can be quite high maintenance and expensive maybe the best restaurant equivalent would be French haute cuisine.
So, IMHO, your quest for the quintessential K-girl GFE is analogous to a gourmand's quest for the perfect fine French meal. While it can be done, it's an expensive proposition and the best experiences are relatively rare (which only whets your appetite for more).
It takes all types to make this hobby work and everyone is entitled to their specific preferences. And likewise I congratulate you on achieving a level of affluence which allows you to drop large sums in your pursuits. But I think it's an honest assessment that you have chosen a pretty specific niche and are quite different from most hobbyists.
To continue the analogy, I enjoy fine French food as much as the next guy but I'm also happy with great pasta, a juicy steak and even an occasional burger. And one of the most important issues for me is that I want the value I receive to be commensurate with the prices I pay. In other words, don't charge me steak prices and deliver me a burger meal. Your chosen path involves searching for very specific experiences in a market with limited choices. There are simply not as many K-girls in the DMV as there are in places like NYC, SFO and LAX. And there is definitely no "street food" equivalent in this area for what you seek. I guess you could consider K-AMPs but those don't generally offer the GFE+ options you want.
What makes it easier for me than for you (IMHO), is that I have a wider array of choices. I've had some of my most sublime GFE sessions with latinas, as well as a full range of ethnicities, nationalities and colors, which increases my chances of finding GFE for less.
So, from the perspective of trying to find the perfect French meal, I can certainly understand why you feel you didn't overpay for Lee. But from the perspective of someone who is just as happy with Italian, Spanish, Soul Food, or other, you absolutely did.
BTW, Lee just raised her prices from $280 to $300, so the price of your meal has just gone up. [URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/lee-gorgeous-asian-lady-let-me-show-you-why-i-have-great-reviews/18476244[/URL] and we'll just have to wait and see what her prices will be after she makes her big plastic surgery investment.
Good luck in your quest and hope the finances hold up because you'll need plenty of kimchi to keep going!
Supply, demand and the elusive Trifecta.
[QUOTE=Ambidextrous;2607826]Your comments are perceptive and it's true that I'm a K-girl aficionado. However I'm skeptical about the theory that K-girls command a premium. Can you get a true GFE from a young attractive provider of any race or nationality for less than $3? Based on personal experience and reading the reviews and forums, it's rare. For example I recently paid $3. 2 to see a young attractive Caucasian provider, Rachel W. (
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3960-Escort-Reports&p=2559548). I was surprised to learn that her menu could not by any stretch be called GFE.
I also note an increasing number of providers advertising at the $4 - $6 price level. Not surprisingly they have excellent reviews and I am finding myself tempted to splurge on one. But for now at least I am not at the upper end of the spectrum.
Respectfully submitted.[/QUOTE]What I would call the hobby Trifecta is 1) young; 2) hot looks; 3) GFE. While there are certainly individual variations I think it's fair to say that providers possessing those three qualities will always command a premium, no matter what their nationality or ethnicity. But what that premium is, and what prices are in general, will depend greatly on the relative supply and demand and also on the mix of new entrants into the provider pool.
My main point about K-girls in the DMV, and perhaps I didn't make it as effectively as I could have, is primarily about the lack of supply. All high-end providers (Black, Asian, Caucasian, Latina, etc) will command a premium if they meet (or promise to meet) Trifecta standards. But groups with more relative supply and / or with more new providers entering the local hobby scene, will offer a greater variation of prices and service levels and better opportunities to find GFE for less. AFAICT, independent K-girls are quite rare in the DMV and the K-agencies import their talent from outside the area. I don't see an influx of new, lower priced, K-escorts in the way that regularly occurs with Latina, Caucasian and Black providers. I've had some great GFE finds among newer Latinas, for example, and regulars often continue to get the original rate even after prices increase for new clients.
On the demand side of the equation, we hobbyists need to step up and take responsibility for our propensity to think with the little head and spend the kind of $ that induces providers from all over the f*cking United States (and Canada, and Central / South America) to come to the DMV to lighten our wallets in a major way! If the girls from CA, NY and elsewhere could make the same money close to home and thereby avoid incurring travel expenses, they definitely would. And it's absolutely true that they need the money more than we need the p*ssy, but we persist in acting as though they hold all the cards.
I don't know what percentage of the hobbyists in the DMV participate in this forum but I bet we make up a pretty decent portion of regularly active mongers. So, IMHO, the best prescription is to do lots of homework, always RTFF, push back on prices (politely) when you can and think with the big head so you don't overpay.
Damn Can This Hobby Spoil You
Anna is a 27-year-old Thai with a bubbly, playful personality. Her body is firm, even around her slender waist, and is adorned with several tattoos. She is not a no-holds-barred provider but she was comfortable with me and let herself go during the session, which made it spontaneous and even thrilling.
The providers I have seen at this agency have been good and those I have not garnered excellent reviews. Anna arrived a couple of days ago and the booker texted me her ad website address. Although she has no reviews I felt Anna was a good bet. Admittedly a gamble but I have been disappointed even by some providers who have glowing reviews, so there is no sure thing in this hobby. Also this agency seems to have a rare degree of correspondence between ad claims and reality, both in photos and service. They deserve all the success they seem to be having. (For whatever protection it's worth I will not disclose the website address here. Trusted contributors can PM.).
After introductory chitchat and disrobing, as I often do I asked Anna what she would like to do. She replied "Everything!" and reciprocated the question. I have met Thai providers who do Greek so I simply said, I like ass. She made a slight face and said she doesn't do that. So much for "everything," but I was okay with the limitation and it was not an awkward moment.
Proceeded to worship that wonderful hardbody with massagi, DATO and DATY. She has the most perfect breasts you can imagine with firm eraser tips. She allowed one knuckle deep penetration in the back door but she said it hurt so I abandoned that. She got off so quickly from DATY that I thought she was faking it but as I went on it became apparent she was not. She writhed more than most during DATY and her climax was punctuated by sudden involuntary twitches.
She applied a cover with her mouth and we did missionary and doggie, she seemed to enjoy it. Finished with BBBJCIM with PM. She declined CIF but said if I was the last customer of the day that would be ok. We had a fairly long and wide-ranging after-chat, her cheerful and outgoing personality made it a pleasure. The clock on the bedside table was 5-10 minutes fast and I was out in about 55 minutes.
I felt the chemistry between us was good which created a relaxed, spontaneous session. As I touched her I realized I have never had, and probably never will have, a civilian at my disposal who is so all around hot. Sometimes all the research and hard-earned experience pay off.
Total damage $2. 6. F9 B9 A9 S8.
Norther VA UTR. Looking to Expand Her Client Base
Gentlemen, I am a Senior Member from FL that comes to the Northern VA area for business. I have met a UTR here locally that is looking to do a limited expansion of her client base. She is really into massages and will expand the menu if she feels safe with you. So this is truly a YMMV situaton. She can only do outcalls right now so you will need to have a place. She is a beautiful woman, 5'6", 120 lbs, and a fantastic body. If you are a Senior Member or a regular member with a high number of quality posts and are interested in spending time with this beautiful woman then pm me and I will give you her contact information.
Be safe out there.
CflMonger48.
Asian or Latina utr to share or trade.
Asian or Latina Utr to trade or share?
Does anyone know or have an Asian or Latina utr that they would like to share or trade with me.
Please PM me.
